I can see this as an 'old spock' tells them of issues from his past that are going to come to fruition and khan is one of those. And being the good doobies they aren't just going to blow it into dust but capture it and bring it in.

But ya...khan?

DOOMSDAY MACHINE BISHES!!!!

Brietbart 'unveiled' the obama college video, yet his webpage still sucks from beyond the grave. He's dead, Jim. Looking forward to not seeing him on Fark. No clicks from me.

Count me in as one of the fans of nu-Trek. I thought it was very well done (minus the reviled lens-flares). I am kinda disappointed that they chose Khan as the villain for this one. Kurtzman and Orci impressed me with their knowledge & willingness to explore the Trek universe beyond the movies & TV series. I have to wonder if the decision to go with Khan was Paramount's idea?

I'm in the minority that actually enjoyed Insurrection, and this only came after I read the unpublished book Michael Piller wrote on the development of the film. If you can find it on the interwebs, it's definitely worth the read.

I absolutely can't stand Nemesis. No matter what, I can't make it through 2 minutes of it. John Logan's script had potential, but it was ruined by Stuart Baird's inept direction. The man is good at the Movieola/Avid, but not behind the camera. Why they didn't give the job to Jonathan Frakes is still baffling to me.

ryant123: Uisce Beatha: ryant123: Bungles: The three best enemies from all the different Star Trek incarnations.

Good choices, but you forgot...

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A good choice - but which Weyoun would you choose?

Hmmm, how about the one whose neck Worf broke? A loyal servant of the Dominion!

Great scene - best part was Damar laughing at the death and then mocking the next clone about it.

More Brietbart?
No Thanks! NSFW

I hope the Khan rumor isn't true.

There's no way they could do that story justice ... and how can you do any better than the original? Who watched "Space Seed" and ST2:WoK and thought they needed a punch-up?

Shouldn't a "Khan" look like this guy,




Not,





Just saying, so far it doesn't make sense.

Lernaeus: Who watched "Space Seed" and ST2:WoK and thought they needed a punch-up?

Apparently, J.J. Abrams. Maybe he just thought it could use more dramatic lens flare.

Once again, jja shows originality isn't in his game-book. All he does is copy what others have done while shaking the hell out of the camera and adding flashy lights. meh.. it works for dumbed down audiences, I guess I can't blame him too much, any dumb animal will repeat behavior it's rewarded for.

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: Eh, Star Trek is dead, anyway.

Let 'em keep getting hacks to rape the corpse and talentless pretty boys to play on the apple store sets.

Thankfully, there's still at least one good sci-fi series out there where they don't have to jettison everything and "reimagine the brand" because of uncreative hack writers and producers...

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How many times have the Daleks been wiped out now?

Approximately once per season in the Russell T. Davies era, IIRC.

There are ALWAYS Daleks running about, it's just that their numbers decline and then grow. Not a retcon, in my opinion.

Confabulat: I know you backass stuck-in-the-90s Trekkies have already seen it, but let Mr. Plinkett remind you why the reboot was a good movie

If memory serves, Mr. Plinkett also pointed out that the sequel was likely to have Khan because the reboot was trying so hard to be uber-Trek and the presence of Khan was the one thing the reboot didn't touch upon.

Incidentally, the reboot was entertaining for a Trek film, but the plot was completely stupid and filled with far too many holes. I also don't think the reboot could hold a candle to some of the best episodes of TNG, DS9 or Farscape in terms of characterization, plot or purpose. The Trek reboot was more of a stupid popcorn summer film with known characters than a real reimagining of the original show.

The alien make-up/prosthetics look flawless!



/What? What do you mean that's his real face?

Bungles: The three best enemies from all the different Star Trek incarnations.

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"People blame the military for the wars we are asked to fight."

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"How many lights are there?"

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"So, Captain, how long shall we stare at each other across the Neutral Zone?"



Imagine any one of them as the commander of the "other ship" in the Voyager pilot instead of Chakotay. Bam! Voyager is suddenly not shiat!


I always liked to hate this guy, too...

Bungles: The three best enemies from all the different Star Trek incarnations.

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"People blame the military for the wars we are asked to fight."

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"How many lights are there?"

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"So, Captain, how long shall we stare at each other across the Neutral Zone?"



Imagine any one of them as the commander of the "other ship" in the Voyager pilot instead of Chakotay. Bam! Voyager is suddenly not shiat!

I bet someone already thought of that, and that it was shot down by Braga & Berman.....

/sad
// that could have been a great show...

@The RealNimoy I enjoy conversations with JJ Abrams and Zachary Quinto. Keeping up on their work. They are, and ever shall be... my friends. LLAP

/FTFH

Star Trek shouldn't have villains. It should have enemies. The difference is motivation. Often, Star Trek enemies weren't any more right or wrong than the crew.

That was a hell of a thing when Spock died...

noit: Star Trek shouldn't have villains. It should have enemies. The difference is motivation. Often, Star Trek enemies weren't any more right or wrong than the crew.


Often the enemies are "more right" from a Western 2012 moral perspective, because of the poisonous combination of non-interference and imperialistic presumed moral superiority.

The Federation is often either "fark 'em" or "be like us".

I like the draft of Star Trek 2 I submitted, where I played an evil villain who plunges himself into Zoe Saldana and Kirk & Co. spend the entire movie trying to crowbar me off of her.

The nerd rage in this thread is absolutely amazing...

Star Trek has always been a cheesy, campy, low-budget serial. Occasionally you have some human-condition pseudo-philosophy or awkward human-alien love interest thrown in to make it seem edgy or relevant in some way, but by and large it is all just pandering to a nerd's wet dream of being a starship captain. Which is fine. But don't try to make it something that it's not, like it's some grand aspiration to human perfection that tampering with is tantamount to plodding into the holy of holies with mud caked boots while wiping the grime from your face with the shroud of turin.

FirstNationalBastard:

10/10, good sir!



Honestly, that was masterful. I am a fan.

If they can tone down the comic relief aspect of Scotty, and maybe put a tiny bit more effort into making the sci-fi components of the plot be not stupid, I'm in.

Khan? You cannot remake movie with Khan! Khan is sequel forbidden!

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Quien es mas macho?

FirstNationalBastard: mocking a pointless reboot in a universe that could have kept on going forward

Ummmm... Didn't that happen in The Pandorica Opens/Big Bang?

I want to put my space seed in Rachel Nichols.



TFA states that the encounter will not be like the Space Seed episode in TOS. And there can't be a wrath of Khan unless he's stranded again for 15 years, or, somehow his Botany Bay crew is killed late in Act I.

Remember, Spock is in recolonization mode - he is probably on leave and he encounters Khan or something rather than the Enterprise. And then it goes from there.

I've noticed that it seems like the more one appreciates TOS for the campy, awesome cheesefest it was, the more you're liable to like the reboot. I've seen just about every episode of every series except Voyager, and I liked the reboot. But whatever. StoplikingwhatIdontlike.jpg

Khan was a great villain. JJ, don't screw this up. He's gotta have ten times the revenge factor of Eric Bana.

Ghastly: I've read slash fan-fiction written by middle aged lesbians that was better than J.J. Abrams pile of crap.

Wait, wait, wait.

You're BRAGGING about that.
Good gosh, I'm glad you're not writing the script if that's the stories you seek.

Darth_Lukecash: Second of all I have a rule about Science Fiction: The worse episodes of any sci-fi series is when they visit an "Old West" style colonies/Planets

No, the worst are when they do any "boxing" scene.
BSG
Angel
Buck Rogers
Voyager
Name a sci-fi show that hasn't had some kind of "ring of death"

It's probably a feint.

Story will start out with the Enterprise crew looking for and finding the Botany Bay thanks to Spock Prime's debriefing. They defrost everyone aboard, use modern neurosurgery / nanotech techniques to remove the megalomania affliction of the Augments. Put them in a proper colony for orientation and eventual release into 22nd century UFP society.

2 years later, Khan Singh has leaped to the top of his Starfleet Academy class and is the commander of his own starship USS Jerry Garcia. The rest of the movie the Enterprise and the Garcia crew join forces to stop Harry Mudd and his army of Borgified Hortas from turning Wrigley's Pleasure Planet into a wormhole that would allow the Borg to reach the Alpha Quadrant all the way from Delta, thinking he can make a quick buck out of the coming of the Borg... but they discover it's not the Borg! It's the Doomsday Machine! It's THREE DOOMSDAY MACHINES! They discover the only thing with the collective knowledge to defeat them are the flying alien fried eggs that killed Kirk's brother in the Prime Universe!!!

In a side story, Spock Prime searches the Vulcan survivors and finds young T'pring. He biatchslaps her repeatedly throughout the movie.. but calmly, logical and without emotion.

Mentat: And when you meet Carol Marcus, use a condom.



Obscure?

edip1976: Mentat: And when you meet Carol Marcus, use a condom.

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Obscure?

corn nuts!

Aboleth: It's probably a feint.

Story will start out with the Enterprise crew looking for and finding the Botany Bay thanks to Spock Prime's debriefing. They defrost everyone aboard, use modern neurosurgery / nanotech techniques to remove the megalomania affliction of the Augments. Put them in a proper colony for orientation and eventual release into 22nd century UFP society.

2 years later, Khan Singh has leaped to the top of his Starfleet Academy class and is the commander of his own starship USS Jerry Garcia. The rest of the movie the Enterprise and the Garcia crew join forces to stop Harry Mudd and his army of Borgified Hortas from turning Wrigley's Pleasure Planet into a wormhole that would allow the Borg to reach the Alpha Quadrant all the way from Delta, thinking he can make a quick buck out of the coming of the Borg... but they discover it's not the Borg! It's the Doomsday Machine! It's THREE DOOMSDAY MACHINES! They discover the only thing with the collective knowledge to defeat them are the flying alien fried eggs that killed Kirk's brother in the Prime Universe!!!

In a side story, Spock Prime searches the Vulcan survivors and finds young T'pring. He biatchslaps her repeatedly throughout the movie.. but calmly, logical and without emotion.

Well, aside from the wild tangent, you have something here.

This time around, maybe Khan will be put on a path that completely derails the whole "revenge against Kirk" thing. Maybe this time around, they'll be best pals.

Did I write "22nd century"? I meant "23rd".

ZeroCorpse: Aboleth: It's probably a feint.

Story will start out with the Enterprise crew looking for and finding the Botany Bay thanks to Spock Prime's debriefing. They defrost everyone aboard, use modern neurosurgery / nanotech techniques to remove the megalomania affliction of the Augments. Put them in a proper colony for orientation and eventual release into 22nd century UFP society.

2 years later, Khan Singh has leaped to the top of his Starfleet Academy class and is the commander of his own starship USS Jerry Garcia. The rest of the movie the Enterprise and the Garcia crew join forces to stop Harry Mudd and his army of Borgified Hortas from turning Wrigley's Pleasure Planet into a wormhole that would allow the Borg to reach the Alpha Quadrant all the way from Delta, thinking he can make a quick buck out of the coming of the Borg... but they discover it's not the Borg! It's the Doomsday Machine! It's THREE DOOMSDAY MACHINES! They discover the only thing with the collective knowledge to defeat them are the flying alien fried eggs that killed Kirk's brother in the Prime Universe!!!

In a side story, Spock Prime searches the Vulcan survivors and finds young T'pring. He biatchslaps her repeatedly throughout the movie.. but calmly, logical and without emotion.

Well, aside from the wild tangent, you have something here.

This time around, maybe Khan will be put on a path that completely derails the whole "revenge against Kirk" thing. Maybe this time around, they'll be best pals.

And then it will be spock that has to kill him.

El Freak: I've noticed that it seems like the more one appreciates TOS for the campy, awesome cheesefest it was, the more you're liable to like the reboot. I've seen just about every episode of every series except Voyager, and I liked the reboot. But whatever. StoplikingwhatIdontlike.jpg

I'm a little amazed at how everyone here seemed to like the reboot when it came out, but now everyone seems to hate it. I thought it was good, though it had its faults (once you notice lense-flare, you can't unnotice it. I'm also not too keen on Khan being the enemy as it seems like a waste of potential that a reboot can bring, etc.). I'm still looking forward to the new film as I find some of the bigger gripes about the film to be rather silly and taking an otherwise fairly goofy series too seriously.

Wow. You could roast a marshmallow on the hate coming out of this thread. You don't even know what you're angry about. Kahn is going to be in the movie in some way. Okay. Why is that bad? It doesn't ruin Kahn in the original series or movies. It's a new timeline, both are valid.

And yes, I like Star Trek, Star Wars, Farscape, Firefly, Doctor Who, and pretty much any other sci-fi I can get my hands on. I didn't enjoy DS9 or Voyager, but I don't hate them with the fury of a thousand suns.

You all are hating on something that doesn't exist yet. That's just bizarre.