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2012-05-01 02:20:38 AM  

Ghastly: Confabulat: Ghastly: My interest in seeing this big budget fan fiction is absolutely zero. I've read slash fan-fiction written by middle aged lesbians that was better than J.J. Abrams pile of crap. The only reason anyone gave that movie any attention at all was because it had the Star Trek franchise hung on it. If it was called Space Battle and told the story of John R. Kruze, a brash Space Squadron cadet who becomes Captain of the Star Cruiser Victory the movie would have been universally panned as crap. It was only because it was able to exploit the names Kirk, Star Trek, and USS Enterprise that people are willing to give that steaming pile of dung a passing grade.

Keep telling yourself that while clinging to your Voyager DVDs. Real Trek fans know better. I'm sure you loved Nemesis and Insurrection.

No. I disliked Nesesis and Insurrection. I also disliked most of Voyager. I don't buy the "You're only a 'Real Fan' is you like EVERYTHING with the Star Trek name on it".


Nor are you a REAL FAN if you think that Star Trek is only Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. Trek stopped being those three 20 years ago.
 
2012-05-01 02:21:45 AM  

Ghastly: I don't buy the "You're only a 'Real Fan' is you like EVERYTHING with the Star Trek name on it".


I despised Voyager and Enterprise, most of TNG, and DS9 had some good points but mostly failed.

Real Star Trek has always been Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Some people forget this was a reboot of a classic TV show and movie franchise, not its lame spinoffs.
 
2012-05-01 02:22:34 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Trek stopped being those three 20 years ago.


I'm sure you really were a huge fan of TV classics "Three's a Crowd" and "After M*A*S*H" as well.
 
2012-05-01 02:26:20 AM  

Confabulat: FirstNationalBastard: Trek stopped being those three 20 years ago.

I'm sure you really were a huge fan of TV classics "Three's a Crowd" and "After M*A*S*H" as well.


Yes, because AffterM*A*S*H = Star Trek: The Next Generation.

You're making your argument worse than you claim I am making mine.
 
2012-05-01 02:30:01 AM  

Confabulat: Ghastly: I don't buy the "You're only a 'Real Fan' is you like EVERYTHING with the Star Trek name on it".

I despised Voyager and Enterprise, most of TNG, and DS9 had some good points but mostly failed.

Real Star Trek has always been Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Some people forget this was a reboot of a classic TV show and movie franchise, not its lame spinoffs.


Enterprise was hit and miss, sadly mostly miss especially the season where it became just a cheerleader for the war in Iraq.

The Kirk, Spock, and McCoy of the J.J. Abrams fan fiction are no more the Kirk, Spock, and McCoy of the original series than the ones in the slash fan-fiction written by middle aged lesbians are. I'm sure as a "Real Star Trek Fan" you just love those slash fan fics. Right?
 
2012-05-01 02:48:12 AM  
Holy crap.

I thought only Star Wars fans were this divided.

For the record: Loved TOS, TNG, DS9 Loved most of the movies except for Insurrection and I never saw Nemesis.

I liked Enterprise: I thought it was cool seeing Mankind step into the Trek Universe. They were attempting to make in open for everyone.

Voyager was a meh show for me. It took a possible cool concept of a lost Federation crew far from friendly space and wasted a lot of potential.
 
2012-05-01 02:52:07 AM  
I love Benedict Cumberbatch and I'm fine with the Khan story in theory, but this isn't the 1960s anymore, there are plenty of very talented Indian actors who could have played Khan rather than an incredibly pale Englishman with fabulous cheekbones.
 
2012-05-01 02:56:03 AM  
Oh and I did like the JJ Abrams version of Star Trek.

It took the characters that were so long tied to actors- freed them up to be characters that can have new adventures. Star Trek at it's most popular were always the TOS gang. They can be played by different actors now, they can look at older concept like Kahn and bring some new life to him.

Now those of you who are bad mouthing Doctor Who, need to realize the show is considered the longest running Science Fiction Series ever. Yes the Daleks have been destroyed several times and came back. But the show has it's own continuity, mythology and it's own happy fan base.

/Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, General Sci-fi fan.
/Except Firefly.
 
2012-05-01 03:04:18 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Oh and I did like the JJ Abrams version of Star Trek.

It took the characters that were so long tied to actors- freed them up to be characters that can have new adventures. Star Trek at it's most popular were always the TOS gang. They can be played by different actors now, they can look at older concept like Kahn and bring some new life to him.

Now those of you who are bad mouthing Doctor Who, need to realize the show is considered the longest running Science Fiction Series ever. Yes the Daleks have been destroyed several times and came back. But the show has it's own continuity, mythology and it's own happy fan base.

/Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, General Sci-fi fan.
/Except Firefly.


Why not Firefly?

/haven't seen it yet. But, I enjoyed Buffy and Angel well enough.
 
2012-05-01 03:05:39 AM  
I love Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, and most all the rest. J.J. Abrams reboot was closer in spirit to original Star Trek than TNG ever dreamed of.
 
2012-05-01 03:06:15 AM  
The Great Bird of the Galaxy is weeping tonight.
 
2012-05-01 03:08:53 AM  
So people argue that the spinoffs are superior to the reboots, just because, FUTURE!?
 
2012-05-01 03:27:02 AM  

FirstNationalBastard:
Why not Firefly?

/haven't seen it yet. But, I enjoyed Buffy and Angel well enough.


Well, first of all, I wasn't a fan of Buffy/Angel. Wedon's writing/directing isn't exactly my style. I could see why people liked it, but it hit me wrong.

Second of all I have a rule about Science Fiction: The worse episodes of any sci-fi series is when they visit an "Old West" style colonies/Planets. Where they are using bullet guns. Wearing cowboy clothes. Riding horses. It was a way to make a cheap episode by the old western sets and clothing. Every series I can remember watching as a kid (The Original BSG, STTOS, Dr. Who.) struck me as a farking travesty and took me right out of the show.

Fireflly decided to base themselves totally on westerns. It wasn't bad when it was in a futuristic colony or a space station...or even set in the ship. But Christ almighty, your fashion doesn't have to set in the 19th Century, you don't need to be running around on horses shooting Six Shooters. If they have technology for Space Travels/Space Stations and farking blasters...Then use them! Seriously, the whole corrugated style housing or western style ranch...

I did enjoy the movie-but it really didn't stand alone. And I did like Cowboys Versus Aliens. It was geeky.
 
2012-05-01 04:04:12 AM  
Why is a white guy playing Kahn?
 
2012-05-01 04:42:34 AM  
I'm not clicking on a place with negative credibility. So I'm skeptical, to say the least.

I do think the JJ Abrams movie was perhaps the most FUN Star Trek movie.
 
2012-05-01 04:44:10 AM  

9beers: Why is a white guy playing Kahn?


Maybe he's "white Hispanic".
 
2012-05-01 04:52:25 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Second of all I have a rule about Science Fiction: The worse episodes of any sci-fi series is when they visit an "Old West" style colonies/Planets. Where they are using bullet guns. Wearing cowboy clothes. Riding horses. It was a way to make a cheap episode by the old western sets and clothing. Every series I can remember watching as a kid (The Original BSG, STTOS, Dr. Who.) struck me as a farking travesty and took me right out of the show.


And they couldn't resist the temptation to do it again:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-01 05:07:00 AM  
Trekmovie.com is as close as you'd get to "Official Word" without it turning up on a Paramount press release. It's a pity the link isn't to that site, but given that they are reporting it (and seem to have confirmed it) - you can believe it. Hell the guy that does Trekmovie did one of the Star Trek Blu-Ray commentaries and he seems to have Orci and Kurtzman on speed-dial.
 
2012-05-01 05:07:24 AM  

Anagrammer: Darth_Lukecash: Second of all I have a rule about Science Fiction: The worse episodes of any sci-fi series is when they visit an "Old West" style colonies/Planets. Where they are using bullet guns. Wearing cowboy clothes. Riding horses. It was a way to make a cheap episode by the old western sets and clothing. Every series I can remember watching as a kid (The Original BSG, STTOS, Dr. Who.) struck me as a farking travesty and took me right out of the show.

And they couldn't resist the temptation to do it again:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 489x424]


The TOS episode was especially tragic, since NBC had cut the season's budget to almost nothing, so they used half-assed sets on purpose and copped out by saying that the town was half-assed because aliens.
 
2012-05-01 05:12:02 AM  
Why do something new and iconic when you can ruin something old and iconic?
 
2012-05-01 05:12:07 AM  

Alphax: I'm not clicking on a place with negative credibility. So I'm skeptical, to say the least.

I do think the JJ Abrams movie was perhaps the most FUN Star Trek movie.


More fun than ST:IV The Voyage Home? Whales! Double dumbass on you! Nuclear wessels! Hello Computer! Colorful metaphors!
/and i'm spent
 
2012-05-01 05:21:27 AM  
I hope the guy posting the big pic of Doctor Who was being sarcastic.

The new series unwatchable. Like the complaint made about the new Star Wars: the old series was for 12 year olds, the new series for 8 year olds.

The Doctor is now a megalomaniac who can't stop kissing his companions in Twilight-inspired episodes. Moffat is a hack who only looks good in comparison to Russell T. Davies' Doctor Who: The Gay Experience.

To be fair, the two series are intended for two different generations of kids: the older generation consisted of kids who were naive and could be fooled by bad special effects. Today's generation -- kids who go to school in prisons, are loaded up on psychoactive drugs, and live in a world where only feelings are important.
 
2012-05-01 05:22:46 AM  
I like all the Treks. Enterprise, DS9, Star Trek:TNG (my personal favorite), Enterprise and yes, the reboot.

You know why? Because I love the idea of humanity coming together and traveling through the stars showing the whole galaxy that yes, while we as a species are flawed, our optimism and ingenuity will help us conquer any obstacle in our way.

Trek is, and always has been better than Star Wars for that reason. Star Trek is about finding the best within ourselves and the eternal hope that our future is always headed for something better.

So, I'm gonna sit this argument out and just say I look forward to the sequel. Because, whether it's good, bad or indifferent, I'll still throw down to see my favorite sci-fi universe in action.

/rant off
 
2012-05-01 05:23:18 AM  

heinrich66: Why do something new and iconic when you can ruin something old and iconic?


Because it's been proven you can take any piece of crap, slap some iconic names on it, and people will lap that turd up like they were kittens at a bowl of milk.

Why should the companies take a chance on something original when they can keep rehashing the same old shiat over and over and be guaranteed a profit because people keep throwing their money away on this sub-par crap?
 
2012-05-01 05:27:23 AM  
I think the casting of Benedict Cumberbatch for the role is spot on.
 
2012-05-01 05:40:44 AM  
Apparently I'm the only one not annoyed by this. Khan was a great nemesis. Some quality writing and acting might make him actually seem sinister, rather than comically out of date, as Ricardo seemed in 82 =p
 
2012-05-01 05:40:50 AM  
All set to a thumping beat!
 
2012-05-01 05:45:30 AM  
If you didn't like anyrhing about the reboot, why would you care about the sequel to it? If it isn't real Trek, and just something using the names, why would you care?

Methinks the Simpsons' Comic Book Guy doth protest too much.
 
2012-05-01 05:56:15 AM  

MisterRonbo: Methinks the Simpsons' Comic Book Guy doth protest too much.


Oh sure, just because people enjoy thinking of Star Trek in a certain way, you think we're nerds like Jeff Albertson.

/Or maybe you think we're nerds because we know the Comic Book Guy's name
 
2012-05-01 05:57:30 AM  

Confabulat: On the bright side, they also are reporting Nimoy's coming back.


Oh, for fark's sake. Someone please let the franchise die with what tiny shred of dignity it has left.
 
2012-05-01 06:00:18 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Confabulat: On the bright side, they also are reporting Nimoy's coming back.

Oh, for fark's sake. Someone please let the franchise die with what tiny shred of dignity it has left.


To be fair, that would have had to happen in 1999 with the end of DS9.
 
2012-05-01 06:01:06 AM  
What bothers me about Abrams' Trek movie is that not just the audience, but the characters themselves have been made aware that they are not the 'original' Star Trek crew.

Plus the need to somehow not only explain How-All-These-Characters-Met, but to rush all of them from 'newb cadets' to 'seasoned officers' in the course of a single story.



I just don't see why it was necessary to set the new Star Trek movie in a uniquely separate timeline from TOS.

.. what would have been so wrong with just dropping these actors -- whom I agree for the most part 'nailed' their roles (with the possible exception of Chekov; though, to be fair, he wasn't integral to the main plot) -- into a wholly original Star Trek story that just happens to take place during a portion of the 'Five-Year Mission' that wasn't seen on the show..?

There are literally decades' worth of really great existing Star Trek TOS novels -- and even some decent Trek comic book arcs -- that could be adapted into excellent movies. Not to mention many prominent science-fiction authors who'd jump at the chance to play in a TOS sandbox (that mightn't have involved validating the new movie series as Separate-and-Apart from TOS).

It just seemed to me that involving Nimoy as 'Alpha Spock' -- and thus 'justifying' the re-cast actors as playing 'alternate universe' versions of the original crew (not to mention blowing up the planet Vulcan and having the entire main crew come from the same cadet training class) -- was just about the most ham-fisted and restrictive way to re-boot the movie series, from a story-telling perspective.



All that said, my assumption was that -- well, that was just the first movie; just to get the series started. Now that neo-Trek is established, surely now things can begin anew -- and Abrams can just tell new stories with existing characters, unhindered by any trappings of TOS.

Now we're gonna see Kirk, Spock and McCoy exploring strange NEW worlds, and seeking-out NEW life-forms and civilizations.



Guess not. -_-
 
2012-05-01 06:03:21 AM  
The three best enemies from all the different Star Trek incarnations.

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"People blame the military for the wars we are asked to fight."

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"How many lights are there?"

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"So, Captain, how long shall we stare at each other across the Neutral Zone?"



Imagine any one of them as the commander of the "other ship" in the Voyager pilot instead of Chakotay. Bam! Voyager is suddenly not shiat!
 
2012-05-01 06:03:24 AM  

Confabulat: FirstNationalBastard: Let 'em keep getting hacks to rape the corpse and talentless pretty boys to play on the apple store sets.

That is a weak argument. The acting in the first Trek was pretty awesome. McCoy especially nailed his part. "Talentless pretty boys" makes you sound petty and silly.


JJ Abram's Star Trek was shiat. An utter farking embarrassment. The "engine room" is a farking brewery? Eat a dick, Abrams. McCoy was the only character worth a shiat. As much as I like Simon Peg, his "Scotty" made me want to club baby seals.

Worthless eye-candy for clueless farkwits who think the word is "Trekkers".
 
2012-05-01 06:06:16 AM  

Confabulat: FirstNationalBastard: But, you poor, deluded fanboys accepted it.

Deluded fanboys? Please. I grew up on REAL Star Trek. REAL Star Trek is Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. All the rest are weak imitations.


Then what the farking hell are you doing watching Abram's horseshiat?
 
2012-05-01 06:06:30 AM  
The Klingons should have been the villains this time. Unless I missed something special on Enterprise There hasn't been a good Klingons-as-villains movie/episode since they attacked Deep Space 9, and even then they weren't really the villains.

/"It's a trick! An illusion created by thoron fields and duranium shadows!"
 
2012-05-01 06:09:06 AM  

ryant123: The Klingons should have been the villains this time. Unless I missed something special on Enterprise There hasn't been a good Klingons-as-villains movie/episode since they attacked Deep Space 9, and even then they weren't really the villains.

/"It's a trick! An illusion created by thoron fields and duranium shadows!"



The Enterprise story at the end of the run explaining the different looking Klingons was rather inspired, and they weren't pleasant in it.
 
2012-05-01 06:13:31 AM  

Bungles: The three best enemies from all the different Star Trek incarnations.


Good choices, but you forgot...

www.startrek-pictures.com
 
2012-05-01 06:13:42 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ed Grubermann: Confabulat: On the bright side, they also are reporting Nimoy's coming back.

Oh, for fark's sake. Someone please let the franchise die with what tiny shred of dignity it has left.

To be fair, that would have had to happen in 1999 with the end of DS9.


True. Voyager and Enterprise (and the first two seasons of TNG) were complete and utter shiat. Hell, I'll take the animated series of any of those.
 
2012-05-01 06:16:35 AM  

Bungles: "So, Captain, how long shall we stare at each other across the Neutral Zone?"


Also, I think his best quote was this:

"You see, Picard, after we dissect your Enterprise for every precious bit of information, I intend to display its broken hull in the centre of the Romulan capital as a symbol of our victory. It will inspire our armies for generations to come, and serve as a warning to any other traitor who would create ripples of disloyalty."
 
2012-05-01 06:20:54 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Voyager and Enterprise (and the first two seasons of TNG) were complete and utter shiat. Hell, I'll take the animated series of any of those.


There was a lot of shiat in the first 2 seasons of TNG. But the second season had some great episodes too. Like Q Who and The Measure of a Man. I'm sure there are a few others. I think The Measure of a Man is f'ing brilliant.
 
2012-05-01 06:22:03 AM  

Confabulat: It's like listening to a 15-year-old whine about new Pokemon.


That about sums it up.

I can understand someone complaining about reboots of modern media content, like an Iron Man reboot, or a Spiderman reboot with those movies fresh in everyone's mind.

Star Trek reboot though? How many decades ago was that? Almost 5? 46 years since the original series started airing. Give it up already.

/This is why we can't have nice things.
//Sure, sometimes a reboot ends up sucking, so does original content. shiat happens.
 
2012-05-01 06:27:08 AM  

ryant123: Ed Grubermann: Voyager and Enterprise (and the first two seasons of TNG) were complete and utter shiat. Hell, I'll take the animated series of any of those.

There was a lot of shiat in the first 2 seasons of TNG. But the second season had some great episodes too. Like Q Who and The Measure of a Man. I'm sure there are a few others. I think The Measure of a Man is f'ing brilliant.



The production rejig between season 2 and 3 of TNG, and the massive shift in quality, is a testament to the power of a higher collar and hiring a proper lighting director.
 
2012-05-01 06:42:37 AM  

Anagrammer: Darth_Lukecash: Second of all I have a rule about Science Fiction: The worse episodes of any sci-fi series is when they visit an "Old West" style colonies/Planets. Where they are using bullet guns. Wearing cowboy clothes. Riding horses. It was a way to make a cheap episode by the old western sets and clothing. Every series I can remember watching as a kid (The Original BSG, STTOS, Dr. Who.) struck me as a farking travesty and took me right out of the show.

And they couldn't resist the temptation to do it again:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 489x424]


Troi lighting up a stogie was pretty hot.
 
2012-05-01 06:44:05 AM  

ryant123: Bungles: The three best enemies from all the different Star Trek incarnations.

Good choices, but you forgot...

[www.startrek-pictures.com image 640x480]


A good choice - but which Weyoun would you choose?
 
2012-05-01 06:44:09 AM  
SPOILERS

Zooey Deschanel will be the hot Vulcan & will out-gain Kirstie Alley by age 45.

The Top Secret device will be called the 'Phil Collins Device'. Capable of turning an entire solar system into a set of electronic,synth drum things.
*DO DO da DO da DO da DO DUM TISS*
 
2012-05-01 06:46:16 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Troi lighting up a stogie was pretty hot.


kester.typepad.com
 
2012-05-01 06:48:41 AM  
I liked the previous film, and I'm sure this won't be a remake of Wrath of Khan, but it does seem like a bit of a waste to retcon the series and reuse the same villains.
 
2012-05-01 06:49:23 AM  

Uisce Beatha: ryant123: Bungles: The three best enemies from all the different Star Trek incarnations.

Good choices, but you forgot...

[www.startrek-pictures.com image 640x480]

A good choice - but which Weyoun would you choose?


Hmmm, how about the one whose neck Worf broke? A loyal servant of the Dominion!
 
2012-05-01 06:51:44 AM  
10/10 J.J. - an epic troll a year before release. Now on to Trekmovie and twitter to see what boborci has to say about this.

/ Khan, I'm laughing at the "superior intellect." /
 
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