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(io9)   Five scientific explanations for Game of Thrones' messed-up seasons   (io9.com) divider line 197
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2012-04-30 10:35:30 PM  
Good Lord, Thank YOU!
 
2012-04-30 10:44:33 PM  
I had wondered about this. Now I feel a little bit smarter.
 
2012-05-01 12:27:24 AM  
I'm not familiar with the series, but assuming the article is right, seasons are not predictable, that says a ridiculously complicated Milankovitch cycle, combined with probably eccentricity and tilt. That should have long term predictable cycles though, say a 20-30 year pattern or something.
 
2012-05-01 12:47:03 AM  
it is magic you idiot
 
2012-05-01 12:50:11 AM  
0. It's fiction. Who gives a shiat?
 
2012-05-01 12:50:19 AM  
A want to know if the the map in the opening credits is a true reflection of the GOT cosmology. As it apewrs I the credits that the world is on the inside of a sphere.
 
2012-05-01 12:53:51 AM  
This is the GoT thread this week? Okay.


Arya telling Tywin "Anyone can be killed" and looking at him stone-cold was the most chilling television I've seen so far this year. And that's even after all of the promos for GoT this year already spoiled that scene.

This was my favorite episode so far.

It also appears there won't be any of the Reeds kids appearing since Bran's dream he described to Osha was actually the dream Jojen had in the book.

We'll see how that works. Or maybe next season maybe the kids will get squeezed in and be found along the way.
 
2012-05-01 12:54:08 AM  
George Martin has stated that the weather of Westeros is magical in nature and will be explained at the end of the series.

LINK
 
2012-05-01 01:10:38 AM  
redmond24



Arya telling Tywin "Anyone can be killed" and looking at him stone-cold was the most chilling television I've seen so far this year.

This this this and this.
 
2012-05-01 01:15:10 AM  

Superjew: George Martin has stated that the weather of Westeros is magical in nature and will be explained at the end of the series.

LINK


www.thelulz.info
 
2012-05-01 01:19:45 AM  

badLogic: A want to know if the the map in the opening credits is a true reflection of the GOT cosmology. As it apewrs I the credits that the world is on the inside of a sphere.


George RR Martin is one of the producers and I believe stated he wanted the opening credits to show where everything was in relation to each other. As for the spherical world, that I don't know.
 
2012-05-01 01:23:25 AM  
The REAL Answer:

DRAGONS CAUSED GLOBAL WARMING!!!

/Where's my multi-million dollar grant?
 
2012-05-01 01:25:28 AM  

Superjew: George Martin has stated that the weather of Westeros is magical in nature and will be explained at the end of the series.

LINK


Translation: "Watch my series all the way through and make me a seriously rich muthfarker. Maybe I won't just punk you all by just having the last scene where the Starks are eating french fries while a Journey tune is playing."

"I said Maybe!"
 
2012-05-01 01:31:13 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Superjew: George Martin has stated that the weather of Westeros is magical in nature and will be explained at the end of the series.

LINK

Translation: "Read Watch my series all the way through and make me a seriously rich muthfarker. Maybe I won't just punk you all by just having the last scene where the Starks are eating french fries while a Journey tune is playing."

"I said Maybe!"


ftfy
 
2012-05-01 01:33:39 AM  
Good to know I wasn't the only one. Now, I feel better both for that and how my thoughts agree with the potential explanations in the article.

badLogic: A want to know if the the map in the opening credits is a true reflection of the GOT cosmology. As it apewrs I the credits that the world is on the inside of a sphere.


The Season 1 disc set included a making of the intro where the creators said they came up with the hollow Earth-esque map to more easily show location relations with a camera scan and look like something a "mad monk" created. So, opening sequence creators, not Martin.

/Martin would've put a 14 year old girl getting sexed up by an old man in the intro had he made it.
//Dude should have a seat over there for his creepy obsession with girls of that age.
 
2012-05-01 01:43:55 AM  

Superjew: George Martin has stated that the weather of Westeros is magical in nature and will be explained at the end of the series.

LINK


I didn't care about the Opera house bullshiat in Emostar Crylactica, and I don't care about why the seasons are messed up in Westeros.

/People (i.e. non-nerdwads) don't give a shiat about your farking cosmology.
/GET THE STORY MOVING ALREADY
 
2012-05-01 01:53:51 AM  

legion_of_doo: Emostar Crylactica


Word up.
 
2012-05-01 01:55:02 AM  
Being that Westeros is obviously an analogue to the British isles... I'd say it's because of some sort of gulf stream effect coming from the equator that can be diverted due to differences in ice and glaciers. Or something.
 
2012-05-01 02:02:02 AM  
I thought they were inside a Dyson sphere?
 
2012-05-01 02:22:26 AM  
So, Winter is coming?

/Best. Show. Ever!
 
2012-05-01 02:28:28 AM  

FreetardoRivera: it is magic you idiot


Came here to say this.
 
2012-05-01 02:31:49 AM  

lewismarktwo: Being that Westeros is obviously an analogue to the British isles... I'd say it's because of some sort of gulf stream effect coming from the equator that can be diverted due to differences in ice and glaciers. Or something.


Westeros is far too big and has too many climates to be an analogy for the British Isles. Dorne is a desert wasteland, King's Landing is depicted as hot and sweltering with humidity, and of course there's Winterfell, the Wall, and the untold leagues beyond.

Westeros is at least as big as North America, I'm guessing.
 
2012-05-01 02:55:01 AM  

Confabulat: lewismarktwo: Being that Westeros is obviously an analogue to the British isles... I'd say it's because of some sort of gulf stream effect coming from the equator that can be diverted due to differences in ice and glaciers. Or something.

Westeros is far too big and has too many climates to be an analogy for the British Isles. Dorne is a desert wasteland, King's Landing is depicted as hot and sweltering with humidity, and of course there's Winterfell, the Wall, and the untold leagues beyond.

Westeros is at least as big as North America, I'm guessing.


Nope. I'd say a little smaller than western Europe but still modeled after GB. It's all in the warm water stream man. Don't cross the streams. Also, winter or cold is an allusion to magic and the unknown (based on old Norse mythology).
 
2012-05-01 03:01:24 AM  

lewismarktwo: Being that Westeros is obviously an analogue to the British isles... I'd say it's because of some sort of gulf stream effect coming from the equator that can be diverted due to differences in ice and glaciers. Or something.


How did you come to this conclusion?
 
2012-05-01 03:05:55 AM  

ronin7: lewismarktwo: Being that Westeros is obviously an analogue to the British isles... I'd say it's because of some sort of gulf stream effect coming from the equator that can be diverted due to differences in ice and glaciers. Or something.

How did you come to this conclusion?


Lots of the story is inspired by actual British events. Do the names Lancaster and York ring any bells?
 
2012-05-01 03:06:20 AM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: //Dude should have a seat over there for his creepy obsession with girls of that age.


Him, and Ed Greenwood, too.
 
2012-05-01 03:16:09 AM  

ronin7: lewismarktwo: Being that Westeros is obviously an analogue to the British isles... I'd say it's because of some sort of gulf stream effect coming from the equator that can be diverted due to differences in ice and glaciers. Or something.

How did you come to this conclusion?


If you're aware of Anglo-Saxon anthropology and geography it becomes obvious that there is at least some parallel. The Wall and it's untamable free men beyond. The huge capitol to the south. The Iron Islands and their navy. And so on. The geography is based on GB, the people that inhabit it are based on western Europe. Of course it's not perfect because Martin is a good writer. As for my take on the weather it was just extrapolation based on the above hypothesis.
 
2012-05-01 03:20:47 AM  

lewismarktwo: Confabulat: lewismarktwo: Being that Westeros is obviously an analogue to the British isles... I'd say it's because of some sort of gulf stream effect coming from the equator that can be diverted due to differences in ice and glaciers. Or something.

Westeros is far too big and has too many climates to be an analogy for the British Isles. Dorne is a desert wasteland, King's Landing is depicted as hot and sweltering with humidity, and of course there's Winterfell, the Wall, and the untold leagues beyond.

Westeros is at least as big as North America, I'm guessing.

Nope. I'd say a little smaller than western Europe but still modeled after GB. It's all in the warm water stream man. Don't cross the streams. Also, winter or cold is an allusion to magic and the unknown (based on old Norse mythology).


I always figured the world in this show to be Western Europe and North Africa. Kings landing is Italy, Westeros is Portugal, Spain and France. Then Winterfell is everything East of France, West of Poland, and North of Italy. And the wall is protecting them from Eastern Europe. Oh yeah, Dorne is Northern Africa.
 
2012-05-01 03:23:45 AM  

lewismarktwo: Nope. I'd say a little smaller than western Europe but still modeled after GB. I


Things are often described in "leagues." Now admittedly "league" might be as relative as "year" in a fantasy world, but in our reality, a league is about 3 miles. According to the Song of Fire and Ice Wiki, it is 1000 leagues from the Wall to the Sunset Sea (3000 miles). And then we have the untold stretches past the wall.

Hard to imagine that as Great Britain.
 
Juc
2012-05-01 03:26:40 AM  
So the world's in a dyson sphere,

So pretty much all the reasons given aren't quite good enough.

My guess is the "sun" dims.
 
2012-05-01 03:26:51 AM  
i46.tinypic.com

The lil guy was so cute when he cooked his dinner.
 
2012-05-01 03:30:49 AM  
How about this: ignoring oceans, Wall & above correspond to Iceland and above. The British Isles correspond to the the northmen. King's Landing is roughly a bit south of Paris. The Dornish live in North Africa. I dunno, it's closer.
 
2012-05-01 03:35:11 AM  

ongbok: lewismarktwo: Confabulat: lewismarktwo: Being that Westeros is obviously an analogue to the British isles... I'd say it's because of some sort of gulf stream effect coming from the equator that can be diverted due to differences in ice and glaciers. Or something.
...
I always figured the world in this show to be Western Europe and North Africa. Kings landing is Italy, Westeros is Portugal, Spain and France. Then Winterfell is everything East of France, West of Poland, and North of Italy. And the wall is protecting them from Eastern Europe. Oh yeah, Dorne is Northern Africa.


Yep, makes sense to me!

Confabulat: lewismarktwo: Nope. I'd say a little smaller than western Europe but still modeled after GB. I

Things are often described in "leagues." Now admittedly "league" might be as relative as "year" in a fantasy world, but in our reality, a league is about 3 miles. According to the Song of Fire and Ice Wiki, it is 1000 leagues from the Wall to the Sunset Sea (3000 miles). And then we have the untold stretches past the wall.

Hard to imagine that as Great Britain.


Can't tell if purposely obtuse or just trolling.
www.dailyfork.commedia1.onsugar.com

Also:

i46.tinypic.com

/just sayin
 
2012-05-01 03:38:29 AM  
Just because you can produce a lion "Lancaster" sigil doesn't mean Westeros equals Great Britain, wtf.
 
2012-05-01 03:39:17 AM  
Never really thought the geography was based too heavily on history though the wall is an obvious nod. The houses and story do borrow strongly from the war of the roses however.

Damn I love the intro to game of thrones though.
 
2012-05-01 03:40:13 AM  
Of course there is British mythology in the story with the knights and lords and all, that's obvious. But the geography is far too big, is my point.
 
2012-05-01 03:41:46 AM  
Then again, they did have that "British Empire" once, huh. Well ok, point conceded.
 
2012-05-01 03:51:29 AM  

Confabulat: Of course there is British mythology in the story with the knights and lords and all, that's obvious. But the geography is far too big, is my point.


Your point has already been made. I agree that it would be relatively bigger than the actual GB.

And the red and gold being the Lancaster colors isn't enough of a coincidence?

Confabulat: Of course there is British mythology in the story with the knights and lords and all, that's obvious. But the geography is far too big, is my point.


1.bp.blogspot.com
Well, OK then.
 
2012-05-01 04:21:43 AM  

Nebulious: Lots of the story is inspired by actual British events. Do the names Lancaster and York ring any bells?


Yes: they're both towns in Lancaster county, west of Philadelphia.
 
Skr
2012-05-01 04:25:46 AM  
I had always had the suspicion a large world eater sized frost dragon was slumbering in the northern wastes and the longer winters were from when it was rousing from its sleep and tilting the world away from the sun.
 
2012-05-01 04:26:33 AM  

lewismarktwo: Confabulat: Of course there is British mythology in the story with the knights and lords and all, that's obvious. But the geography is far too big, is my point.

Your point has already been made. I agree that it would be relatively bigger than the actual GB.

And the red and gold being the Lancaster colors isn't enough of a coincidence?

Confabulat: Of course there is British mythology in the story with the knights and lords and all, that's obvious. But the geography is far too big, is my point.

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Well, OK then.


The war started off being based off of the War of the Roses but the lands and houses are an amalgamation of many different European cultures. Lannister = English, Stark = Scottish, Baratheon = German, Martell = Spanish, Tyrell = French, Free Cities = Italy, King's Landing = Constantinople.
 
2012-05-01 04:37:36 AM  

carnifex2005: lewismarktwo: Confabulat: Of course there is British mythology in the story with the knights and lords and all, that's obvious. But the geography is far too big, is my point.

Your point has already been made. I agree that it would be relatively bigger than the actual GB.

And the red and gold being the Lancaster colors isn't enough of a coincidence?

Confabulat: Of course there is British mythology in the story with the knights and lords and all, that's obvious. But the geography is far too big, is my point.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x248]
Well, OK then.

The war started off being based off of the War of the Roses but the lands and houses are an amalgamation of many different European cultures. Lannister = English, Stark = Scottish, Baratheon = German, Martell = Spanish, Tyrell = French, Free Cities = Italy, King's Landing = Constantinople.


It's funny, when you consider that England and Scotland were considered the backwards shiatholes of the world by medieval standards.

/Constantinople = the "Queen of Cities"
//she'll be waiting in Istanbul
 
2012-05-01 04:38:26 AM  

redmond24:
Arya telling Tywin "Anyone can be killed" and looking at him stone-cold was the most chilling television I've seen so far this year. And that's even after all of the promos for GoT this year already spoiled that scene.

This will probably be one of the better TV moments of the year. Perfect delivery, and the actor that played Tywin even reacted like something disturbed him, but he couldn't put his finger on it.

 
2012-05-01 04:39:19 AM  

ongbok: lewismarktwo: Confabulat: lewismarktwo: Being that Westeros is obviously an analogue to the British isles... I'd say it's because of some sort of gulf stream effect coming from the equator that can be diverted due to differences in ice and glaciers. Or something.

Westeros is far too big and has too many climates to be an analogy for the British Isles. Dorne is a desert wasteland, King's Landing is depicted as hot and sweltering with humidity, and of course there's Winterfell, the Wall, and the untold leagues beyond.

Westeros is at least as big as North America, I'm guessing.

Nope. I'd say a little smaller than western Europe but still modeled after GB. It's all in the warm water stream man. Don't cross the streams. Also, winter or cold is an allusion to magic and the unknown (based on old Norse mythology).

I always figured the world in this show to be Western Europe and North Africa. Kings landing is Italy, Westeros is Portugal, Spain and France. Then Winterfell is everything East of France, West of Poland, and North of Italy. And the wall is protecting them from Eastern Europe. Oh yeah, Dorne is Northern Africa.


"'A Song of Ice and Fire' primarily takes place over several years on a continent about the size of South America."

Source, though the statement is on page 4.
 
2012-05-01 04:40:59 AM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: his creepy obsession with girls of that age.


Girls like Cercei, Cat, and Brienne?

Or did you mean girls like Tyrion, Strong Belwasp, and Stannis?

What in the gods' name are you blithering about? There's a handful of teenage girls in the series, and they're no more or less represented. Also, read a book sometime. Early teens used to be a good age to become a wife.

For example: In the 12th century Gratian, the influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14 but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7. There were authorities that said that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds

Okay, I lost what I wanted to say after reading this. But yeah, Martin isn't the pervert. 2 and 3 year olds? What the flying fark!? Why don't you you just join your families without the marriage and let nature take it's course for at least... let's say 8 years. At least let the kids get into the double digits before they're married on paper.
 
2012-05-01 05:16:33 AM  
Next: 5 scientific explanations for how hundreds of thousands of wildlings manage to live where there's always snow on the ground.
 
2012-05-01 05:25:37 AM  
Winter is always described as a physical thing that spreads from the north. I presume that the final explanation for the seasons is that there is something terribly unpleasant in the far far north that, when active, spreads cold and zombie death, and when asleep the cold and zombie death contracts. Probably, yes, something to do with dragons.


The answer isn't going to be "oh yeah, wobbly axial tilt".
 
2012-05-01 06:16:57 AM  
Dinner is coming.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-01 06:40:39 AM  
it's very possible that Westeros has a very eccentric or elongated orbit.

Westeros is a continent, not the planet.

Superjew: George Martin has stated that the weather of Westeros is magical in nature


io9 fail.

/unsurprisingly
 
2012-05-01 07:02:51 AM  

go2pedro: redmond24



Arya telling Tywin "Anyone can be killed" and looking at him stone-cold was the most chilling television I've seen so far this year.

This this this and this.


I'm telling you, that Maisie Williams can act. I've said it before: they did a great job casting the kids. Sophie Turner and Jack Gleeson (especially Gleeson) have been knocking it out of the park.

Go back and watch that scene with Joffrey Bieber and the two prostitutes again. The fiendish, sadistic glee that Gleeson gives the scene was as disturbing as anything I can remember seeing in any movie or TV show.

Hell with it...the whole cast is fantastic. There, I said it.

And the woman playing Brienne of Tarth -- is this her first acting gig? You wouldn't know it from watching her.
 
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