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(NPR)   A Christian Minister comes to find out just how Christian her community is after she comes as an Atheist   (npr.org ) divider line
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2012-04-30 08:50:39 PM  

The Grasshopper: there isn't just one position.


www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-04-30 08:51:03 PM  
Take comfort in your friends......Hold on......Hold on....
 
2012-04-30 08:52:48 PM  

Indubitably: ph0rk: Indubitably: ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Prove otherwise, sparky.

Your comment is SO deep with meaning in context.

Wow.

Fark's system works for dumb folks.

Heh.

;)

Why does a rehashed image require more than I gave it? He's the one that started dropping derp-turds.

Further: what contribution does your response make, pro or con said derpy image?

oh, right. none.

Good point.


For the record, yer point was referenced to image files I need to either scroll down to and decipher, or make some other unnecessary bandwidth obligation to illuminate. Text works, non-messager. Oh, and, my pole feels smoked for some reason?

P.S. You ate yer self.
 
2012-04-30 08:53:09 PM  

thamike: The Grasshopper: there isn't just one position.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x428]


I remember that cheap bastard. I did exactly what he wanted me to do to the tune of "I Come to the Garden Alone" and "He Touched Me," and he skated without tipping.
 
2012-04-30 08:53:21 PM  

The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]


That's not atheism at all. Its a poor understanding of a variety of scientific theories.
 
2012-04-30 08:54:03 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: ph0rk: Indubitably: ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Prove otherwise, sparky.

Your comment is SO deep with meaning in context.

Wow.

Fark's system works for dumb folks.

Heh.

;)

Why does a rehashed image require more than I gave it? He's the one that started dropping derp-turds.

Further: what contribution does your response make, pro or con said derpy image?

oh, right. none.

Good point.


This is all I see, sorry.
 
2012-04-30 08:54:17 PM  

Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: I farking hate REM

AND

Diodorus: As an atheist myself, this lady is annoying as hell.

WTF?

Anger issues much?

How about I anger-annoy you some more?

;)

The first one was a joke. The second one was Troof!

Naivete perishes with yer wit, frind.

The rind of fruit, we tend to discard...

Mr. Dismissive, Please, sir, before your priceless wit escapes us, at what point was truth suspect? When did truth get subjugated? Same time your blue glove probed my ass, man. Truth hurts, no?

Not sure if serious.

Cyber-poetized-Shaman-wut?

Fear less.

Be fearless.

Love abounds.

;)

Your gibberish is fascinating.


Ditto?
 
2012-04-30 08:54:33 PM  

Diodorus: I farking hate REM


This is the only intelligent post in this entire thread.
 
2012-04-30 08:54:57 PM  

ph0rk: Indubitably: Indubitably: ph0rk: Indubitably: ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Prove otherwise, sparky.

Your comment is SO deep with meaning in context.

Wow.

Fark's system works for dumb folks.

Heh.

;)

Why does a rehashed image require more than I gave it? He's the one that started dropping derp-turds.

Further: what contribution does your response make, pro or con said derpy image?

oh, right. none.

Good point.


This is all I see, sorry.


NSS.
 
2012-04-30 08:55:32 PM  

gimmegimme: Seriously, are the Ten Commandments null and void? Anne Frank had another god before Jesus. Why isn't she burning in hell?


They were never supposed to be commandments. Same god. She wasn't a goat.

Notice that the goats believe they have a claim, based on a name. The sheep are shocked, because their actions get them into heaven, not their nomenclature.
 
2012-04-30 08:56:26 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: he skated without tipping.


Must be a Canadian, then.
 
2012-04-30 08:56:55 PM  

Weaver95: I'm starting to wonder if jesus isn't THE god, but one of many gods. I know for certain that a lot of the evangelicals here in the US certainly are faithful...but they're not worshiping Christ. that 'old time religion' they like so much has more in common with old pagan gods than it does with the religion of christ.

just a thought.


Most pagans I know are far more human than most christians. Then again, those who truly believe in god and his teachings are few and far between and have nothing in common with people who get their sunday-morning lip service on, then take the snippets of the bible they can remember because they're popular and convince themselves they're doing what god wants.

Frankly, as a Pagan, I KNOW my gods. I also know that my gods are like humanity in a way: They're busy, they lead their lives, and they take care of the universe. They're not up there to play nursemaid and cater to my every whim because Life is hard goddammit.
 
2012-04-30 08:57:15 PM  

hubiestubert: Ikahoshi: I was raised in a religious family, but grew up basically atheist. I say basically because I don't believe in anything like the concept of "God" in the Christian sense of the word.

Although there may well be forces at play in the universe, I don't think they are necessarily sentient or have a good/evil duality to them. They just are, and don't require our acknowledgement or worship.

Lots of meaningless babble


There, I shortened that a little for you.

/Almost everything you contribute on Fark is well though out, informed, and very worth reading, but that was a whole lot of text to say "people should be good"
 
2012-04-30 08:57:17 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: Seriously, are the Ten Commandments null and void? Anne Frank had another god before Jesus. Why isn't she burning in hell?

They were never supposed to be commandments. Same god. She wasn't a goat.

Notice that the goats believe they have a claim, based on a name. The sheep are shocked, because their actions get them into heaven, not their nomenclature.


Cool. So which parts of the Bible are true and which aren't?
 
2012-04-30 08:57:24 PM  
WILL PRAY FOR YOU FOR A 1 MTH TF SUBSCRIPTION
 
2012-04-30 08:57:32 PM  

UNC_Samurai: [wondermark.com image 640x247]


That was a fun week at Wondermark.
 
2012-04-30 08:57:59 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Do you live around North Florida? It's a completely founded fear; everywhere you go, everyone you meet is a phoney christian who will berate you in a heartbeat for not proclaiming that you believe in Jesus. Everyone wants to proselytize. They'll stop being your friend if they find out your beliefs. They'll find a way to fire you. And the backwoods part of it all is that many of them really don't believe it themselves, but it's just the way things are 'supposed to be.' I can't imagine being a pastor who sees the light.

It's gotten better, but it's still really bad.


Sure, Florida is like that. That's one of the reasons it has its own tag. However, this former minister is one of the people responsible for that state of being. She must not have done anything to teach or show her congregation that living a two-faced life in accordance with Christian values or secular ethics. She certainly wasn't demonstrating a good example of how to live life. Like the Bible says, as you sow, so shall you reap, or in the words of John Lennon, instant karma's gunna getcha.
 
2012-04-30 08:59:10 PM  

Kit Fister: Weaver95: I'm starting to wonder if jesus isn't THE god, but one of many gods. I know for certain that a lot of the evangelicals here in the US certainly are faithful...but they're not worshiping Christ. that 'old time religion' they like so much has more in common with old pagan gods than it does with the religion of christ.

just a thought.

Most pagans I know are far more human than most christians. Then again, those who truly believe in god and his teachings are few and far between and have nothing in common with people who get their sunday-morning lip service on, then take the snippets of the bible they can remember because they're popular and convince themselves they're doing what god wants.

Frankly, as a Pagan, I KNOW my gods. I also know that my gods are like humanity in a way: They're busy, they lead their lives, and they take care of the universe. They're not up there to play nursemaid and cater to my every whim because Life is hard goddammit.



I'm not really sure being decent to others is an inherently human trait - probably the opposite. Almost certainly, in fact.

I have to admit I'm curious about most pagans - they frequently aren't raised that way so I have to wonder why and how they came to their beliefs.
 
2012-04-30 08:59:47 PM  

thamike: Salt Lick Steady: he skated without tipping.

Must be a Canadian, then.


I snort when I laugh, stop scaring the dog
 
2012-04-30 09:00:12 PM  

tonguedepressor: WILL PRAY FOR YOU FOR A 1 MTH TF SUBSCRIPTION


Ok, as soon as I feel it working I'll buy you one.
 
2012-04-30 09:01:09 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: thamike: Salt Lick Steady: he skated without tipping.

Must be a Canadian, then.

I snort when I laugh, stop scaring the dog


It's funny until you know what they mean by Canadians.

/Well, it might still be funny then but that just makes you a bad person.
 
2012-04-30 09:01:52 PM  

Ryker's Peninsula: Diodorus: I farking hate REM

This is the only intelligent post in this entire thread.


You are going to make someone very angry. Be prepared to be accosted with incomprehensible gibberish.
 
2012-04-30 09:03:01 PM  

Indubitably: Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: I farking hate REM

AND

Diodorus: As an atheist myself, this lady is annoying as hell.

WTF?

Anger issues much?

How about I anger-annoy you some more?

;)

The first one was a joke. The second one was Troof!

Naivete perishes with yer wit, frind.

The rind of fruit, we tend to discard...

Mr. Dismissive, Please, sir, before your priceless wit escapes us, at what point was truth suspect? When did truth get subjugated? Same time your blue glove probed my ass, man. Truth hurts, no?

Not sure if serious.

Cyber-poetized-Shaman-wut?

Fear less.

Be fearless.

Love abounds.

;)

Your gibberish is fascinating.

Ditto?


Im guessing you knew what the frequency was.


/coo-coo
 
2012-04-30 09:04:30 PM  

ph0rk: Kit Fister: Weaver95: I'm starting to wonder if jesus isn't THE god, but one of many gods. I know for certain that a lot of the evangelicals here in the US certainly are faithful...but they're not worshiping Christ. that 'old time religion' they like so much has more in common with old pagan gods than it does with the religion of christ.

just a thought.

Most pagans I know are far more human than most christians. Then again, those who truly believe in god and his teachings are few and far between and have nothing in common with people who get their sunday-morning lip service on, then take the snippets of the bible they can remember because they're popular and convince themselves they're doing what god wants.

Frankly, as a Pagan, I KNOW my gods. I also know that my gods are like humanity in a way: They're busy, they lead their lives, and they take care of the universe. They're not up there to play nursemaid and cater to my every whim because Life is hard goddammit.


I'm not really sure being decent to others is an inherently human trait - probably the opposite. Almost certainly, in fact.

I have to admit I'm curious about most pagans - they frequently aren't raised that way so I have to wonder why and how they came to their beliefs.


I schooled you.

"The people rose and cried:

Indubitably schooled you, man."

Learn on, Religio, because you need it.

"He decried: but I..."

NSS.

Look it up, lightweight.

;)
 
2012-04-30 09:04:39 PM  

ph0rk: ZMugg: UNC_Samurai: Uncivil Engineer: Before RTFA: I bet she is Methodist.

After: Yup, she is Methodist. They are the 'liters' of the Christian world.

The Disciples of Christ laugh at that suggestion.

True.

However, Methodists are essential if you want to properly work up a "Number 6".

[i116.photobucket.com image 202x250]

Wat?


The other Number 6:

www.perfectduluthday.com

Oops, the other, other Number 6:

lh5.ggpht.com

but you knew that

didn't you?
 
2012-04-30 09:05:08 PM  

gimmegimme: Cool. So which parts of the Bible are true and which aren't?


The truth changes all the time. Even facts don't stay the same. So what is the point of a question like that?
 
2012-04-30 09:05:14 PM  

Diodorus: Ryker's Peninsula: Diodorus: I farking hate REM

This is the only intelligent post in this entire thread.

You are going to make someone very angry. Be prepared to be accosted with incomprehensible gibberish.


He suck it in suck it in suck it in if he's Rin Tin Tin or Anne Boleyn.
 
2012-04-30 09:05:15 PM  

Slartibartfaster: Marine1: But atheism? I thought the point was "free thought", not having Dawkins and others feed you ideology

1/ why would you assume "free thought" is a goal ? who suggested that ?
2/ Dawkins is someone I have never read
3/ what makes you think we are a group ? That is like assuming "people who do not like wearing baseball caps sideways" is a club. The only thing I have ever seen atheists agree on is "leave us the fark alone, and keep your shiat away from our children"

// agnostic, semi pagan, feeling no need to convert anyone - resistant to anyone who tries.


Religion is like a penis.
I really don't care if you have one and are proud of it,
just stop waving it about in public and stop trying to force it into children
 
2012-04-30 09:05:22 PM  

tonguedepressor: WILL PRAY FOR YOU FOR A 1 MTH TF SUBSCRIPTION


Will you wager your soul for a TF fiddle of gold?

/ relevant to my interests
 
2012-04-30 09:05:56 PM  

ph0rk: tonguedepressor: WILL PRAY FOR YOU FOR A 1 MTH TF SUBSCRIPTION

Ok, as soon as I feel it working I'll buy you one.


Sorry, I won't accept it. I don't cater to non-believers.
 
2012-04-30 09:07:36 PM  
edmo:Nobody ever said Atheists believe all is nothing.

If they did believe that, they would basically be in agreement with Ecclesiastes 1:2, '"Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless."'
 
2012-04-30 09:07:59 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: Cool. So which parts of the Bible are true and which aren't?

The truth changes all the time. Even facts don't stay the same. So what is the point of a question like that?


You have asserted that one part of the Bible is wrong and another is correct. Many Christians would disagree with you, as you're negating a fundamental tenet of their faith. I'm just wondering how you arrived at your understanding.
 
2012-04-30 09:08:56 PM  

Cagey B: People had every right to be upset that someone professing to be something they weren't didn't have the stones to be straight with them until she was outed.

Also, I find these "conventions" and "coming out" when it comes to atheism to be really weird. It's not the "Religion of No God", it's the lack of belief. People that do this kind of stuff give the same vibe as Scientologists and addicts who move on to some obsessive substitute for whatever it was they were into.


What's not to get? Atheists, especially in the Deep South, are treated like garbage. A lot of people feel they can't even be honest about themselves without being personally attacked. "Coming out" gives them solace and confidence.
 
2012-04-30 09:09:23 PM  
Remember one Xmas you believed in Santa Claus and then the next Xmas you didnt?
 
2012-04-30 09:10:18 PM  
It sounds like she was raised to be good at religion, but not good at being a Christian. Most of the Christians that are being reviled here, and everywhere, it seems, are only good at being religious.

Being religious means you're looking to earn God's favor by being a good person. One of the only things "good people" are good at is telling other people how not good they are. Which is stupid, really.

The truth is that we're all farked up. If getting into heaven is based on whether you're a good person or not, we're all due for some warm temperatures.

Nothing we can do can make us right with God. The great thing is, Jesus already took care of that part. All we have to do is have faith.

Having faith means that you rely on God, not your own power to save yourself. And God abandons no one: not gay people, not atheists, not Muslims, not even Methodists.

That is nothing to live in fear of, but rather, the best cause for hope.
 
2012-04-30 09:10:29 PM  

Yoyo: "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless."


Um...that's not the passage. It's really:

"Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity."
 
2012-04-30 09:10:47 PM  

Weaver95: wow. I go and get dinner and this thread went all pear shaped.


FWIW I thought you described what I believe better than I have. I usually babble on about how science and faith need to meet before anyone can attempt to describe god and just come off looking weirder than usual. I like your "knowledge is god" better.
 
2012-04-30 09:11:41 PM  

Elzar: tonguedepressor: WILL PRAY FOR YOU FOR A 1 MTH TF SUBSCRIPTION

Will you wager your soul for a TF fiddle of gold?

/ relevant to my interests


Do I have to go to Georgia?
 
2012-04-30 09:12:02 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Well, seeing as her church was going against scripture for the onset, I don't find this surprising.

1 tim 2:12
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."


You can't farkin be serious.
 
2012-04-30 09:13:10 PM  

gimmegimme: Yoyo: "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless."

Um...that's not the passage. It's really:

"Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity."


I read that in Rhett's voice and nigh fainted.
 
2012-04-30 09:13:24 PM  

Mr. Holmes: It sounds like she was raised to be good at religion, but not good at being a Christian. Most of the Christians that are being reviled here, and everywhere, it seems, are only good at being religious.

Being religious means you're looking to earn God's favor by being a good person. One of the only things "good people" are good at is telling other people how not good they are. Which is stupid, really.

The truth is that we're all farked up. If getting into heaven is based on whether you're a good person or not, we're all due for some warm temperatures.

Nothing we can do can make us right with God. The great thing is, Jesus already took care of that part. All we have to do is have faith.


Having faith means that you rely on God, not your own power to save yourself. And God abandons no one: not gay people, not atheists, not Muslims, not even Methodists.

That is nothing to live in fear of, but rather, the best cause for hope.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-04-30 09:13:25 PM  

ph0rk: I'm not really sure being decent to others is an inherently human trait - probably the opposite. Almost certainly, in fact..


You're channeling Ayn Rand. .

I have to admit I'm curious about most pagans - they frequently aren't raised that way so I have to wonder why and how they came to their beliefs.

For the most part, they're too nice to be Christians.
 
2012-04-30 09:14:11 PM  
Another thought I've been pondering on for a while, as a Pagan. The Universe and everything in it is so utterly massive that we as humans have only a very dim understanding of it. We have theories, we have data based on what we can perceive and measure, but when you go beyond the observable universe, things get weird and only cause some of theories to break down. We don't have all the answers, no one does.

So, to create such a massive machine, composed of billions and billions of particles all arranged perfectly to form planets and stars and gasses and gold and all of the fun things in the universe, not to mention to create life itself, which is still a mystery that we can't fully explain...I don't believe that that happens entirely by chance. I don't believe that of all of the infinite possible combinations to have been formed at the start of it all, it would just HAPPEN to create life, that evolves and grows and changes and diversifies until you have the thousands of species, if not hundreds of thousands, spread across the one world we know about, not to mention the many worlds out there we have no hope of observing for sure.

I think something greater than all of it started out the system, not necessarily for good or evil, but because it was interesting to see what happens when you have millions upon millions upon millions of interacting pieces and parts all moving around in their own little orbits, doing whatever they will do, interacting and causing change, creating wildly different outcomes than one might have predicted with the simplest of interaction. Partly this is why I don't believe that whoever, or whatever, is guiding or tending to our little machine can, or will, intervene for any one person or ideal -- after all, the whole machine is built upon the ability of the system to self-perpetuate and continue to grow and evolve on its own. What catastrophic events would come about if the Admin were to change this event or that simply because someone wished it to, and what unintended consequences would have come had he simply intervened?

No, I think that there is a being of some form -- and I have no way to quantify this since I can barely grasp the concept that there might be something up there to begin with -- that started it all and gave it the ability to grow, not just free will, but freedom of any restrictions, to see how it would turn out.

I also think that philosophers, gods, angels, whatever we perceive within the human rationale, however you want to look at it, are the remnants, or even Modmins if you will, that don't necessarily exist any higher than just above us, but are there to keep an eye on things, tend the garden, and keep things moving in a fairly positive direction overall so that the system continues to test itself and grow, and doesn't stagnate.

Anyway, what "God" is is something different for each of us. Some of us prefer to simply ignore the possibility or not believe in it. I choose to believe in something, whatever form that takes, and accept that I'll never know for sure so why argue about it on the internet anyway?

/Off to read Plato's "The Cave" again.
 
2012-04-30 09:14:24 PM  
I thought preachers who didn't believe in god were called Jesuits.
 
2012-04-30 09:14:39 PM  

tonguedepressor: Do I have to go to Georgia?


Devil!

smeegle: You can't farkin be serious.


Paul was kind of a dick.
 
2012-04-30 09:15:28 PM  

Diodorus: Remember one Xmas you believed in Santa Claus and then the next Xmas you didnt?


So fragile.

So easily broken.

So apostrophes.

So sad, really.

Fricative.

;)
 
2012-04-30 09:16:38 PM  

Coelacanth: ph0rk: I'm not really sure being decent to others is an inherently human trait - probably the opposite. Almost certainly, in fact..

You're channeling Ayn Rand. .

I have to admit I'm curious about most pagans - they frequently aren't raised that way so I have to wonder why and how they came to their beliefs.

For the most part, they're too nice to be Christians.


Either that, or there was something that called to them and lead them that direction.
 
2012-04-30 09:17:19 PM  
"The majority of them, to begin with, were pretty hateful," she says, although some nonbelievers soon came to her defense.

Keep on showing your true colors, Christians!
 
2012-04-30 09:17:26 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Well, seeing as her church was going against scripture for the onset


You might want to read 1 Corinthians 11:5
 
2012-04-30 09:17:46 PM  
"How did I get myself in this mess? Sometimes, I think to myself, if I could just go back a few years and not ask the questions and just be one of those sheep and blindly follow and not know the truth, it would be so much easier. I'd just keep my job. But I can't do that. I know it's a lie. I know it's false."


Now she knows how every first-term Congressman/Senator feels after six months in office.


/Just live the lie, Teresa
//They do it
///You can too
 
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