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(NPR)   A Christian Minister comes to find out just how Christian her community is after she comes as an Atheist   (npr.org) divider line 634
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2012-04-30 08:27:52 PM  

gimmegimme: Questions for all of the people who think this woman is a jerk and a thief:

Do you love the company for which you work with all of your heart and soul? Is the company's mission statement written on your heart? Do you try to glorify the company with every movement you make?

No? You're just like her.


Oh, come on, you can't be that clueless.

You don't see the difference between some deskjockey who hates his job but in the bottom line, his hate or disbelief doesn't affect anyone and someone who is supposed to be a leader of a specific belief system as well as teaching and giving advice on that specific belief system but doesn't believe one word of it?

Put it another way, would vote for a liberal candidate if came out that he was secretly a conservative, voting conservative and speaking out at hushed conservative rallies? And the only reason why he rides the liberal platform is because it's the only way he can keep himself in office? Because, basically, that's what this lady is doing. She doesn't believe in anything she preaches. She is just there for the paycheck.
 
2012-04-30 08:28:10 PM  

The Grasshopper: gimmegimme: The Grasshopper: Salt Lick Steady: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

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Hey I know you, you're the dude who writes textbooks for Texas, right?

Could be.
I also wright the bad one liners everyone uses for these forums on this internets...
I see your using one of my best ones!

Your a great wrighter.

i hpoe yuo relly udnresntad i uese teh bset splleckher inevnted.


You could always try learning how to spell the words.
 
2012-04-30 08:28:12 PM  

Proteios1: I ow some neat people, I love their company.


Sadism is a religion.
 
2012-04-30 08:28:29 PM  

hubiestubert:
Boils down to it: it's not what you believe, but what you do with that belief.


So much this. Favorited.
 
2012-04-30 08:28:55 PM  
Here is my only religious query and if it were ever to be answered to my satisfaction, I would be truly devout and even gloriously happy.

Unfortunately, there is no satisfactory answer.

POST QUESTION HERE:
 
2012-04-30 08:30:01 PM  
I see she's keeping that annoying tendency religious people display in thinking anyone else gives a fark what they believe.

edge.ebaumsworld.com
 
2012-04-30 08:31:27 PM  

edmo: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

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Nobody ever said Atheists believe all is nothing.


Atheists believe many things. there isn't just one position.
so if it doesn't apply to you, just defend your own position.
there is no book stating what uniform code to follow if your an atheist..
so your wrong in your statement. some do believe that all was nothing. some don't.
 
2012-04-30 08:31:36 PM  
It was hard for me to come out and say I was an atheist to my family, as my father was a former missionary who now owns a christian book publishing/translating company. I went to Miami to work my ass off in his hot warehouse every summer as a teen in order to buy my first car.

Once I had the keys in my hand, I came out.

/Still argue about it to this day
//Still do cargo and customs work for him; the other employees don't know I'm atheist
///Sometimes wonder if I turned my father atheist... Unlike this woman, he could never give up the career he worked so hard to study and build.
 
2012-04-30 08:31:53 PM  

mekki: gimmegimme: Questions for all of the people who think this woman is a jerk and a thief:

Do you love the company for which you work with all of your heart and soul? Is the company's mission statement written on your heart? Do you try to glorify the company with every movement you make?

No? You're just like her.

Oh, come on, you can't be that clueless.

You don't see the difference between some deskjockey who hates his job but in the bottom line, his hate or disbelief doesn't affect anyone and someone who is supposed to be a leader of a specific belief system as well as teaching and giving advice on that specific belief system but doesn't believe one word of it?

Put it another way, would vote for a liberal candidate if came out that he was secretly a conservative, voting conservative and speaking out at hushed conservative rallies? And the only reason why he rides the liberal platform is because it's the only way he can keep himself in office? Because, basically, that's what this lady is doing. She doesn't believe in anything she preaches. She is just there for the paycheck.


Churches are nothing more than tax-free franchised businesses. The best part is that the employees don't go to jail when they molest children and the higher-ups don't go to jail for covering up the molestation and sending the molesters to another location.
 
2012-04-30 08:32:07 PM  

SirEattonHogg: I heard this on NPR in the car and I was sort of annoyed with this woman. I could care less about her being an atheist but how long was she lying to her congregation?

And she wouldn't come clean right away because she was worried about what her job options were and how she would sound in a job interview? Nice.


It's Tallahassee, Florida. If you don't have a Jesus fish on your car the sheriff pulls you over and beats you.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-04-30 08:32:32 PM  
Humans possess an innate desire to place value on their existence. To validate this fantasy we create magical stories where cosmic controllers have created us and therefore our species not only has cosmic value but is spiritually immortal.

The existence of a cosmic controller cannot and has never be proven, yet billions have lived and died clinging to this mythology various configurations.
 
2012-04-30 08:32:36 PM  

tonguedepressor: Here is my only religious query and if it were ever to be answered to my satisfaction, I would be truly devout and even gloriously happy.

Unfortunately, there is no satisfactory answer.

POST QUESTION HERE:


Fried or scrambled?
 
2012-04-30 08:33:01 PM  

Diodorus: This is the end of the world as we know it.


You hate yet quote REM?

Yer one twisted motherfarker, man. You might want to get that checked.

;)
 
2012-04-30 08:33:38 PM  
She didn't lose faith.

She gained understanding.
 
2012-04-30 08:35:07 PM  
I think what we need to end all the hostility, trolling, and hurt feelings is to just decide to follow the one true god. You know the one that stands for everything FARK believes in.

We need to all come together in worshiip at the church of Dyonisis. just think a church where all your booze, parties, and whores could be tax write offs for religious expenses.
 
2012-04-30 08:35:37 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: The Grasshopper: Your a great wrighter.

i hpoe yuo relly udnresntad i uese teh bset splleckher inevnted.

Grasshopper puts his riting through qwicken before he terns it in.

/;)


You owe me a Franklin.

*;)*
 
2012-04-30 08:36:14 PM  

The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

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Prove otherwise, sparky.
 
2012-04-30 08:37:34 PM  

gimmegimme: Now if you'll excuse me, I need to prepare for Sunday so I can go to work and worship Xenu while carving a picture of God out of driftwood with the label "goddamn" that I will attach to a dagger I lifted from Cabela's that I can use to stab my mother in the heart after making her watch me bang my neighbor's hot wife who is holding her cell phone to my face so I can tell her husband it isn't me.


Make sure to stop by and visit some prisoners, and take some sammiches and clothes to the homeless along the way.
 
2012-04-30 08:37:54 PM  

ModernLuddite: SirEattonHogg: I heard this on NPR in the car and I was sort of annoyed with this woman. I could care less about her being an atheist but how long was she lying to her congregation?

And she wouldn't come clean right away because she was worried about what her job options were and how she would sound in a job interview? Nice.

It's Tallahassee, Florida. If you don't have a Jesus fish on your car the sheriff pulls you over and beats you.


You know, so far I haven't caught any flack over the "My best friend is a b*tch" magnet on my bumper. Though I make sure to have the Animal Welfare Foundation magnet right next to it. We'll see how long that lasts.
 
2012-04-30 08:38:31 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: tonguedepressor: Here is my only religious query and if it were ever to be answered to my satisfaction, I would be truly devout and even gloriously happy.

Unfortunately, there is no satisfactory answer.

POST QUESTION HERE:

Fried or scrambled?


Fine, I'll start. If God is all knowing than why does he/she/it bother making folk he's not happy with and sending to hell anyway,
 
2012-04-30 08:39:04 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: ModernLuddite: SirEattonHogg: I heard this on NPR in the car and I was sort of annoyed with this woman. I could care less about her being an atheist but how long was she lying to her congregation?

And she wouldn't come clean right away because she was worried about what her job options were and how she would sound in a job interview? Nice.

It's Tallahassee, Florida. If you don't have a Jesus fish on your car the sheriff pulls you over and beats you.

You know, so far I haven't caught any flack over the "My best friend is a b*tch" magnet on my bumper. Though I make sure to have the Animal Welfare Foundation magnet right next to it. We'll see how long that lasts.


Magnets? What, afraid of commitment?
 
2012-04-30 08:39:12 PM  

ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Prove otherwise, sparky.


Your comment is SO deep with meaning in context.

Wow.

Fark's system works for dumb folks.

Heh.

;)
 
2012-04-30 08:39:17 PM  

Avery614: I see she's keeping that annoying tendency religious people display in thinking anyone else gives a fark what they believe.

[edge.ebaumsworld.com image 556x506]


That picture is clearly wrong.

Jesus rode a Tyrannosaur. Only He would ride the King of Lizards.

It's in the Bible. The Discovery Institute told me so.
 
2012-04-30 08:39:20 PM  
I'm sure it's been pointed out somwhere, but I just had to say the first thing I thought of.


"That's why I spent 23 years in the Army. That's why I'm still a police officer. We have freedom of speech and freedom of thought. And God never forced anybody to believe, so who am I to step up?"

This man is what Christians should be. He lives without any hate for what she did. Too bad so many loud ones are not.
 
2012-04-30 08:39:45 PM  

Ikahoshi: I was raised in a religious family, but grew up basically atheist. I say basically because I don't believe in anything like the concept of "God" in the Christian sense of the word.

Although there may well be forces at play in the universe, I don't think they are necessarily sentient or have a good/evil duality to them. They just are, and don't require our acknowledgement or worship.


I grew up in a relatively religious environment. My Grandmother was Catholic turned Methodist. My father raised me with Buddhist undertones thanks to my mother's influence, and he wanted me to have a cultural connection to her roots. He married a Southern Baptist, and she got me baptized again, because she was afraid that the Methodist version wouldn't take.

I went through an agnostic period, and then in college, I reconnected to Buddhism. It made a lot more sense. It also colored how I look at the Bible as well.

My own beliefs are theist. I have a great deal of faith that there is some purpose to our existence. Not necessarily a power that will exert much on our behalf, and I'm fairly certain that if a pulsar rolls into our neck of the woods, spewing radiation, that it won't lift a single electron, but I do have a faith that it is hopeful that we'll get this purpose. Not all that sure of any continuity of existence, or an afterlife, but that isn't really necessary. Our immortality lies within our actions. Actions ripple out, our actions impact others, and their actions ripple out, and so on and so on, and the effect of our actions, that accumulates. That is our immortality, this wave of cause and effect. Karma isn't a cosmic balancing force, but is simply action. Actions have consequence. Actions have meaning. Actions impact and reflect, and those waves of causality ripple around us constantly. Honking a horn at someone impacts them, affects them, even in passing. We have control of those actions, and thus we have control of how we impact others. We have a responsibility for one another, as much as we have a responsibility for ourselves. We want others to treat us with respect, we have to give it. And I am fairly certain that the Universe is aware of us, and if we finally get that we are not alone in all this. We have one another.

That doesn't need a deity to relate to though. My own belief isn't hinged upon that deity, but on the integrity and the worth of each being in and among themselves. That I have some faith that there is a purpose to all this doesn't need others to believe in that aware Universe. One doesn't need faith to do good. One doesn't need to believe in anything specific, other than the inherent worth that others have the same feelings, the same struggles and are our equals.

It isn't what you believe that matters. It's what you do with that belief, and how you treat others. We can argue about the nature of the Universe 'til the cows come home, and never come to agreement, but we can treat one another with the respect that we all would like ourselves, and work from there...
 
2012-04-30 08:40:30 PM  

ph0rk: Salt Lick Steady: ModernLuddite: SirEattonHogg: I heard this on NPR in the car and I was sort of annoyed with this woman. I could care less about her being an atheist but how long was she lying to her congregation?

And she wouldn't come clean right away because she was worried about what her job options were and how she would sound in a job interview? Nice.

It's Tallahassee, Florida. If you don't have a Jesus fish on your car the sheriff pulls you over and beats you.

You know, so far I haven't caught any flack over the "My best friend is a b*tch" magnet on my bumper. Though I make sure to have the Animal Welfare Foundation magnet right next to it. We'll see how long that lasts.

Magnets? What, afraid of commitment?


Yeah, and I'm getting tired of this one on my lower back.

/chafes
 
2012-04-30 08:40:37 PM  
Tangental thought:

Biblical scholars, both pro and amateur, seem to spend a large percentage of their lives trying to understand one book. One gentleman I spoke to was dissecting the book by some method inscrutable to me, but involving his own system of references and cross references... he'd spent thousands of hours pouring over details and then writing blogs about that so other people who do the same sort of stuff could compare notes. This is something many millions of people do.

Is that not wasted productivity? Isn't all the navel-gazing and paper shuffling exactly the kind of thing the bible preaches against? If these biblical "scholars" used that effort to aid the fight against cancer, or volunteer at a soup kitchen, is that not walking the path the book itself lays out? You're not going to crack God's code, or whatever. There's not much reading between the lines will tell you (though most religious types will swear up and down that is where all the meaning is). It's a book, and not a well-written one, and the version you're reading isn't even in the languages they were originally written in.

If God is real, who do you think it would reward, the person whose life was spent in self service trying to be the only person in history to "understand" some deep mystical thing someone else wrote about god 17 centuries ago, or the person who performs good acts? I'd argue atheists are more likely to be accepted than the "scholars" by any deity.
 
2012-04-30 08:40:38 PM  

Indubitably: Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: I farking hate REM

AND

Diodorus: As an atheist myself, this lady is annoying as hell.

WTF?

Anger issues much?

How about I anger-annoy you some more?

;)

The first one was a joke. The second one was Troof!

Naivete perishes with yer wit, frind.

The rind of fruit, we tend to discard...

Mr. Dismissive, Please, sir, before your priceless wit escapes us, at what point was truth suspect? When did truth get subjugated? Same time your blue glove probed my ass, man. Truth hurts, no?


Not sure if serious.
 
2012-04-30 08:42:08 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: ModernLuddite: SirEattonHogg: I heard this on NPR in the car and I was sort of annoyed with this woman. I could care less about her being an atheist but how long was she lying to her congregation?

And she wouldn't come clean right away because she was worried about what her job options were and how she would sound in a job interview? Nice.

It's Tallahassee, Florida. If you don't have a Jesus fish on your car the sheriff pulls you over and beats you.

You know, so far I haven't caught any flack over the "My best friend is a b*tch" magnet on my bumper. Though I make sure to have the Animal Welfare Foundation magnet right next to it. We'll see how long that lasts.


Magnet-bumpers are digits.

Cold and dirty truth.

You are more than yer magnets, no?

Show us.

I sport nothing on my bumper but time.

*sigh*

And that is enough.

;)
 
2012-04-30 08:42:56 PM  

Indubitably: Salt Lick Steady: ModernLuddite: SirEattonHogg: I heard this on NPR in the car and I was sort of annoyed with this woman. I could care less about her being an atheist but how long was she lying to her congregation?

And she wouldn't come clean right away because she was worried about what her job options were and how she would sound in a job interview? Nice.

It's Tallahassee, Florida. If you don't have a Jesus fish on your car the sheriff pulls you over and beats you.

You know, so far I haven't caught any flack over the "My best friend is a b*tch" magnet on my bumper. Though I make sure to have the Animal Welfare Foundation magnet right next to it. We'll see how long that lasts.

Magnet-bumpers are digits.

Cold and dirty truth.

You are more than yer magnets, no?

Show us.

I sport nothing on my bumper but time.

*sigh*

And that is enough.

;)


P.S. Cyber-poem. *bow*
 
2012-04-30 08:43:14 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: Now if you'll excuse me, I need to prepare for Sunday so I can go to work and worship Xenu while carving a picture of God out of driftwood with the label "goddamn" that I will attach to a dagger I lifted from Cabela's that I can use to stab my mother in the heart after making her watch me bang my neighbor's hot wife who is holding her cell phone to my face so I can tell her husband it isn't me.

Make sure to stop by and visit some prisoners, and take some sammiches and clothes to the homeless along the way.


Seriously, are the Ten Commandments null and void? Anne Frank had another god before Jesus. Why isn't she burning in hell?
 
2012-04-30 08:44:22 PM  

Undulation: Tangental thought:

Biblical scholars, both pro and amateur, seem to spend a large percentage of their lives trying to understand one book. One gentleman I spoke to was dissecting the book by some method inscrutable to me, but involving his own system of references and cross references... he'd spent thousands of hours pouring over details and then writing blogs about that so other people who do the same sort of stuff could compare notes. This is something many millions of people do.

Is that not wasted productivity? Isn't all the navel-gazing and paper shuffling exactly the kind of thing the bible preaches against? If these biblical "scholars" used that effort to aid the fight against cancer, or volunteer at a soup kitchen, is that not walking the path the book itself lays out? You're not going to crack God's code, or whatever. There's not much reading between the lines will tell you (though most religious types will swear up and down that is where all the meaning is). It's a book, and not a well-written one, and the version you're reading isn't even in the languages they were originally written in.

If God is real, who do you think it would reward, the person whose life was spent in self service trying to be the only person in history to "understand" some deep mystical thing someone else wrote about god 17 centuries ago, or the person who performs good acts? I'd argue atheists are more likely to be accepted than the "scholars" by any deity.


You would think that if this "God" loved us, it wouldn't have made it so hard to figure out what it meant.
 
2012-04-30 08:45:20 PM  

gimmegimme: Seriously, are the Ten Commandments null and void? Anne Frank had another god before Jesus. Why isn't she burning in hell?


No that was Ruby Turner.
 
2012-04-30 08:45:25 PM  

Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: I farking hate REM

AND

Diodorus: As an atheist myself, this lady is annoying as hell.

WTF?

Anger issues much?

How about I anger-annoy you some more?

;)

The first one was a joke. The second one was Troof!

Naivete perishes with yer wit, frind.

The rind of fruit, we tend to discard...

Mr. Dismissive, Please, sir, before your priceless wit escapes us, at what point was truth suspect? When did truth get subjugated? Same time your blue glove probed my ass, man. Truth hurts, no?

Not sure if serious.


Cyber-poetized-Shaman-wut?

Fear less.

Be fearless.

Love abounds.

;)
 
2012-04-30 08:45:26 PM  

ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Indubitably: ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Prove otherwise, sparky.

Your comment is SO deep with meaning in context.

Wow.

Fark's system works for dumb folks.

Heh.

;)


www.majhost.com

 
2012-04-30 08:45:34 PM  

Indubitably: ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Prove otherwise, sparky.

Your comment is SO deep with meaning in context.

Wow.

Fark's system works for dumb folks.

Heh.

;)


Why does a rehashed image require more than I gave it? He's the one that started dropping derp-turds.

Further: what contribution does your response make, pro or con said derpy image?

oh, right. none.
 
2012-04-30 08:45:55 PM  
wow. I go and get dinner and this thread went all pear shaped.
 
2012-04-30 08:45:56 PM  
Poorly written article about poorly sculpted people.

/poorly structured sentence
 
2012-04-30 08:46:23 PM  

The Grasshopper: ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Indubitably: ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Prove otherwise, sparky.

Your comment is SO deep with meaning in context.

Wow.

Fark's system works for dumb folks.

Heh.

;)


[www.majhost.com image 640x486]


I like that one, other than the crappy font.
 
2012-04-30 08:46:53 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Uncivil Engineer: Before RTFA: I bet she is Methodist.

After: Yup, she is Methodist. They are the 'liters' of the Christian world.

The Disciples of Christ laugh at that suggestion.


True.

However, Methodists are essential if you want to properly work up a "Number 6".
 
2012-04-30 08:47:13 PM  

tonguedepressor: Salt Lick Steady: tonguedepressor: Here is my only religious query and if it were ever to be answered to my satisfaction, I would be truly devout and even gloriously happy.

Unfortunately, there is no satisfactory answer.

POST QUESTION HERE:

Fried or scrambled?

Fine, I'll start. If God is all knowing than why does he/she/it bother making folk he's not happy with and sending to hell anyway,


Because scrambled.
 
2012-04-30 08:47:31 PM  
"They were Methodists, a denomination my father referred to as Baptists who could read. "

i262.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-30 08:48:03 PM  

Bag of Hammers: ph0rk: Bag of Hammers: The Omnissiah frowns on your shenanigans

The Omnissiah is just your dead corpse-emperor.



[4.bp.blogspot.com image 350x350]


i15.photobucket.com

You called?
 
2012-04-30 08:48:05 PM  

The Grasshopper: Atheists believe many things. there isn't just one position.
so if it doesn't apply to you, just defend your own position.
there is no book stating what uniform code to follow if your an atheist..
so your wrong in your statement. some do believe that all was nothing. some don't.


You are correct that there isn't just one position and that what you posted does not correctly describe atheists as a whole ... contrary to what it says.

But the fact is that you know what you posted does not apply to atheists as a whole yet you present it as if it does. This makes you a liar.
 
2012-04-30 08:48:27 PM  

ph0rk: Indubitably: ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Prove otherwise, sparky.

Your comment is SO deep with meaning in context.

Wow.

Fark's system works for dumb folks.

Heh.

;)

Why does a rehashed image require more than I gave it? He's the one that started dropping derp-turds.

Further: what contribution does your response make, pro or con said derpy image?

oh, right. none.


Good point.
 
2012-04-30 08:48:38 PM  

ph0rk: The Grasshopper: ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Indubitably: ph0rk: The Grasshopper: BigChad: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x338]

[www.majhost.com image 450x450]

Prove otherwise, sparky.

Your comment is SO deep with meaning in context.

Wow.

Fark's system works for dumb folks.

Heh.

;)


[www.majhost.com image 640x486]

I like that one, other than the crappy font.


qnd. sorry. i am not trying to convert or be converted to anything.
i was just having a bit of fun. but some call it trolling.

/does that mean i win?
 
2012-04-30 08:48:45 PM  
No one even threw a rock threw her window?

*YAWN*
 
2012-04-30 08:48:46 PM  

thamike: Poorly written article about poorly sculpted people.


all pear shaped and what not
 
2012-04-30 08:49:32 PM  

Indubitably: Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: Indubitably: Diodorus: I farking hate REM

AND

Diodorus: As an atheist myself, this lady is annoying as hell.

WTF?

Anger issues much?

How about I anger-annoy you some more?

;)

The first one was a joke. The second one was Troof!

Naivete perishes with yer wit, frind.

The rind of fruit, we tend to discard...

Mr. Dismissive, Please, sir, before your priceless wit escapes us, at what point was truth suspect? When did truth get subjugated? Same time your blue glove probed my ass, man. Truth hurts, no?

Not sure if serious.

Cyber-poetized-Shaman-wut?

Fear less.

Be fearless.

Love abounds.

;)


Your gibberish is fascinating.
 
2012-04-30 08:49:38 PM  

ZMugg: UNC_Samurai: Uncivil Engineer: Before RTFA: I bet she is Methodist.

After: Yup, she is Methodist. They are the 'liters' of the Christian world.

The Disciples of Christ laugh at that suggestion.

True.

However, Methodists are essential if you want to properly work up a "Number 6".


i116.photobucket.com

Wat?
 
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