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2012-04-30 10:11:42 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mentat: "Any President would have given that order"

Except Any President didn't. Only one man did.

George Bush, 2004: "We haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure.


Does anyone seriously believe that if Bush got the intel that 0bama got, that he wouldn't have given the order? Seriously, is that what libs believe?


But you said it was a bad thing after Obama did it. Are you changing your tune now.
 
2012-04-30 10:11:48 PM

heap: The My Little Pony Killer: Deep Thoughts with tenpoundsofcheese.

/why don't we have a macro for that yet?

because feh, that's why.

feh.


You're right. He's not worth the effort it would take to pull up mspaint and find a suitable retard image.
 
2012-04-30 10:12:39 PM
No, it's farking Romney thinking, Oh, shiat, it really farking worked, and then saying, "Well, yeah, um, I, um, I definitely would have done that, too. Definitely. I can totally say I would have done it, because it worked. But if it didn't work, I wouldn't have done it and wouldn't say I would have."
 
2012-04-30 10:14:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Are you saying that Bush was given intelligence about where 0BL most likely was and he decided to do nothing? Seriously, is that your position. What "call" did Bush not make. Please be specific.

You do know that there was a hunt for 0BL and they were bombing caves, etc, right?

0bama was given credible info in September, IIRC, and he did more homework to make sure that 0BL was there. Terrific.

But it really is dishonest to say that a person who attacked Afghanistan and Iraq would not have made the same call with the same information.


They had bin Laden corned in Tora Bora and he managed to slip away. It was the best chance they had to get him and he made the US look like fools. That's why Bush had to change his tune to "meh who cares". He didn't have any other choice.
 
2012-04-30 10:14:44 PM
Descartes: To misquote what Rmoney said in 2007 is just beneath the dignity of the office

Link

"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort," Romney told reporters on the campaign trail.

And an extra nugget for our good friend TPOC:

In Islamabad, the Pakistani government said Bush and Musharraf spoke by phone on Friday and that Bush described the prospect of U.S. strikes against al Qaeda in Pakistan as unsavory.
 
2012-04-30 10:15:05 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Romney learned his lesson and is able to raise and spend a lot more now thanks be to Citizens United!

And he'll still lose!

Yup, I agree.
Romney will lose.
The GOP will pick up a couple seats in the Senate.

Maybe the 0bama will learn to compromise and work with the GOP.


Hey, remember the debt ceiling negotiations, when Republicans demanded a 15/85 split in tax hikes and spending cuts and Obama/Democrats laughed and called them radical morans?

Oh wait, no, Obama offered a 17/83 split and the Republicans STILL said no, and their temper tantrums were a major factor in our downgrade.

Well, what about when Chuck Grassley said there weren't enough tax cuts in the Stimulus and Obama told him to suck it? Oh wait, no, he included $70 Billion in tax cuts and Republicans still voted against it.

Compromise?

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2012-04-30 10:15:44 PM
LOL, fark libs and their hypocritical childish antics.

Obama was cheered for stating he wouldn't use OBL as a trophy. Whoops.

Obama then resorts to a strawman claiming he knows what Romney would have done, going so far as to omit a key part of the quote.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/30/obama-campaign-bin-laden-a d -omits-romney-clarification-on-key-quote/

Breitbart Breitbart!!!

What farking hypocritical jokes fark libs are.
 
2012-04-30 10:17:29 PM

cameroncrazy1984: That is exactly what happened. Which is why you haven't heard word one from McCain about it.


Actually, McCain was biatching about it this week.

Link
 
2012-04-30 10:18:19 PM

MyRandomName: LOL, fark libs and their hypocritical childish antics.

Obama was cheered for stating he wouldn't use OBL as a trophy. Whoops.

Obama then resorts to a strawman claiming he knows what Romney would have done, going so far as to omit a key part of the quote.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/30/obama-campaign-bin-laden-a d -omits-romney-clarification-on-key-quote/

Breitbart Breitbart!!!

What farking hypocritical jokes fark libs are.


2/10

"Libs" is the tell. Wear sunglasses or some shtick.
 
2012-04-30 10:18:38 PM

Corvus: tenpoundsofcheese: Mentat: "Any President would have given that order"

Except Any President didn't. Only one man did.

George Bush, 2004: "We haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure.


Does anyone seriously believe that if Bush got the intel that 0bama got, that he wouldn't have given the order? Seriously, is that what libs believe?

But you said it was a bad thing after Obama did it. Are you changing your tune now.


The people who write the Republican talking points are starting to realize that they can't really pretend that killing Osama was a bad thing anymore. So now they're changing the official line to 'Well, anyone would've done that, really, Fartb0ng0 doesn't deserve any credit.'.

After all, we all know how it wasn't Jimmy Carter's fault when the raid HE ordered went sour, right?
 
2012-04-30 10:20:23 PM

Fista-Phobia: MyRandomName: LOL, fark libs and their hypocritical childish antics.

Obama was cheered for stating he wouldn't use OBL as a trophy. Whoops.

Obama then resorts to a strawman claiming he knows what Romney would have done, going so far as to omit a key part of the quote.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/30/obama-campaign-bin-laden-a d -omits-romney-clarification-on-key-quote/

Breitbart Breitbart!!!

What farking hypocritical jokes fark libs are.

2/10

"Libs" is the tell. Wear sunglasses or some shtick.


It's funny, though, that in that article, Robert Gibbs gives the logical response:

"Maybe the comments he made a few years ago he admits are wrong, or he's flip-flopped on yet another issue," Gibbs said Sunday.

Which one is it?
 
2012-04-30 10:20:34 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: let's re-elect 0bama if we all believe that 0sama is either (a) not really dead and needs to be "killed" again or (b) part of the zombie undead and needs to be killed.

Um. What?


He's sad Osama is dead and not Obama. Seriously.
 
2012-04-30 10:21:13 PM

Weaver95: someonelse: Good gravy. The GOP is so confused it's eating it's own face.

either they've completely lost it or they're doing this on purpose.


If they're doing it on purpose, then they're overdoing it because they're alienating every single future demographic that might vote for them. And there's no such thing as 'but they have short memories' when you have some stupid Mormon dingleberry falling over himself to stick his foot in his mouth.

The Republicans have lost it. They lost control of their Base and started believing their own bullshiat. They're just like the assholes who think Jesus rode a dinosaur: they mistake media trickery for reality, and hold every single American in contempt. And Romney's behavior of switching positions just shows how much he holds everybody including his own base in contempt because he thinks if he throws enough red meat that they'll come running. After all, the unwashed masses don't know what they're doing, right?

The Republicans' contempt for every single American is possibly the most hubris I've seen in my entire life. Nothing about Romney's campaign says that he holds any voter with any sort of respect at all. Everything he does comes off with the shallowness of an overly confident con man who thinks he can outsmart anybody.
 
2012-04-30 10:21:41 PM

Fart_Machine: EnviroDude: Not good form to use them as political tools


You know, I dislike Bush as much as any thinking man should, but I'll never give him crap for that. To this day, I think the speech he have, off the cuff, on the hood of that car is one of the greatest of the past 50 years. It rivals RFK's Indianapolis speech after King's murder.

The truly infuriating thing is what he did with all the unity and good will he earned. As my betters have put it: it's like if FDR had attacked Mexico after Pearl Harbor.
 
2012-04-30 10:22:11 PM

MyRandomName: LOL, fark libs and their hypocritical childish antics.

Obama was cheered for stating he wouldn't use OBL as a trophy. Whoops.

Obama then resorts to a strawman claiming he knows what Romney would have done, going so far as to omit a key part of the quote.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/30/obama-campaign-bin-laden-a d -omits-romney-clarification-on-key-quote/

Breitbart Breitbart!!!

What farking hypocritical jokes fark libs are.


Welcome to politics. Personally, I think Obama should kick the spiked ball or whatever the saying is.
 
2012-04-30 10:22:22 PM

MyRandomName: LOL, fark libs and their hypocritical childish antics.

Obama was cheered for stating he wouldn't use OBL as a trophy. Whoops.

Obama then resorts to a strawman claiming he knows what Romney would have done, going so far as to omit a key part of the quote.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/30/obama-campaign-bin-laden-a d -omits-romney-clarification-on-key-quote/

Breitbart Breitbart!!!

What farking hypocritical jokes fark libs are.


A clarification is not part of a quote.

If we can't go after Romney on any position he's "clarified" over the years, then there's nothing to attack. He's clarified and re-clarified his stance on damn near every issue imaginable.

Speaking of misquotes, Obama said he wouldn't release the proof of death photos. Or did you honestly think Obama meant he would never mention that he got Osama?
 
2012-04-30 10:22:54 PM

MyRandomName: What farking hypocritical jokes fark libs are.


From Your F*cking Link:

But here's what Romney also said of bin Laden, when clarifying that comment just a few days later: "He will die."

The "heaven-and-earth" quote is not a new revelation. Romney was challenged on that statement in 2007 during the Republican primary battle, and the former Massachusetts governor subsequently amended his remarks.


If he was so goddamn certain, why did he have to amend/change/make up more sh*t to explain his original statement that he didn't give a f*ck about bin Laden? Oh, because everyone pounced on his sh*t because what he said was utterly f*cking stupid.

Does it feel good defending a moran? Because that's what you're doing. He had to amend a statement on killing bin Laden days and even weeks later. Now... years later Why? Because he f*cking said what the President said he did.

Check the bold part. That means he had to "clarify" his remarks because what he said was so f*cking stupid it was hurting him politically.
 
2012-04-30 10:23:44 PM

Car_Ramrod: Fista-Phobia: MyRandomName: LOL, fark libs and their hypocritical childish antics.

Obama was cheered for stating he wouldn't use OBL as a trophy. Whoops.

Obama then resorts to a strawman claiming he knows what Romney would have done, going so far as to omit a key part of the quote.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/30/obama-campaign-bin-laden-a d -omits-romney-clarification-on-key-quote/

Breitbart Breitbart!!!

What farking hypocritical jokes fark libs are.

2/10

"Libs" is the tell. Wear sunglasses or some shtick.

It's funny, though, that in that article, Robert Gibbs gives the logical response:

"Maybe the comments he made a few years ago he admits are wrong, or he's flip-flopped on yet another issue," Gibbs said Sunday.

Which one is it?


When you invoke Jimmy Carter, you've gone full AM radio. That's my takeaway.
 
2012-04-30 10:24:09 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: Everything he does comes off with the shallowness of an overly confident con man who thinks he can outsmart anybody.


until now, nobody's called him out on his bullshiat. Romney's looted companies, destroyed stake holder value and lied his way into office all by looking good and being incapable of remorse.

hence my earlier reference to Didius Julianus. except that I think Romney is going to have a cleaner death in store for him than old Julianus had.
 
2012-04-30 10:24:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme:

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oh look, someone doesn't understand politics and an effort to marginalize an opponent.

Seriously, you really believe that Bush wouldn't have killed 0BL if he had the chance?


Mentat already pointed this out, but the point bears repeating.

We had OBL at Tora Bora, but Bush decided he would rather piss away thousands of lives and trillions of dollars in the sand dunes of Iraq.

//Don't you feel guilty about using the same number zero for bin Laden as you do with the Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America? Don't you give a shiat about this country?
 
2012-04-30 10:24:57 PM

EZ1923: Fart_Machine: EnviroDude: Not good form to use them as political tools

You know, I dislike Bush as much as any thinking man should, but I'll never give him crap for that. To this day, I think the speech he have, off the cuff, on the hood of that car is one of the greatest of the past 50 years. It rivals RFK's Indianapolis speech after King's murder.


You're an idiot.
 
2012-04-30 10:25:08 PM

Halli: soy_bomb: Halli: Yeah conspiracy theorists and Republicans ranting about Obama. Nice going there daily fail.

We already know it was Admiral McRaven. Keep farking that chicken spiking that football, Obama!

I really don't get this Breitbart talking point. You guys do realize this means Obama authorized the mission?


In the echo chamber talking points just need to be repeated often and loudly, making sense is irrelevant.
 
2012-04-30 10:26:26 PM
Hey I can't do it now but can someone google search for when 10poundsOfCrap said on fark Obama killing OBL was a horrible thing and now he is saying all the Republicans would of done it.
 
2012-04-30 10:27:16 PM

gimmegimme: Don't you feel guilty about using the same number zero for bin Laden as you do with the Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America?


The only thing the G0P feels guilty about is sex.
 
2012-04-30 10:28:44 PM

Mentat: Mitt Romney, 2008: "I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort."


Annnnnnd, there you have it. That's the entire crux of the matter. If you felt entering an ally to get Osama was not prudent, then you would not have done it. Worse, it looks like he would not have done so even with permission of Pakistan, because even that would hurt efforts to bring in more friends.

tenpoundsofcheese: Mentat: "Any President would have given that order"

Except Any President didn't. Only one man did.

George Bush, 2004: "We haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure.


Does anyone seriously believe that if Bush got the intel that 0bama got, that he wouldn't have given the order? Seriously, is that what libs believe?


Hey, don't blame us for taking him at his word.

"I certainly don't know what he believes in," Bush said when asked if there had been a "rush to judgment" about Obama. "The only foreign policy thing I remember he said was he's going to attack Pakistan and embrace Ahmadinejad."

Bush thought going into Pakistan without their permission was an attack on Pakistan, an ally. He criticized Obama for saying he would do exactly what he did, invade Pakistan to get Osama without asking permission first. He may have been lying, but, hey, what's new, right?
 
2012-04-30 10:29:54 PM
Willard must count it among the infelicities of his position, that so far at least, he was taken at his word.
 
2012-04-30 10:29:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mentat: tenpoundsofcheese: uhhh, Bush != his Republican opponents.

How many of those opponents would have attacked Iraq and Afghanistan and moved people to Gitmo for interrogation?

Bush, Romney, McCain, Clinton, Dodd, Biden, none of them were willing to make the call.



exactly what call are you saying Bush did not make?

Are you saying that Bush was given intelligence about where 0BL most likely was and he decided to do nothing? Seriously, is that your position. What "call" did Bush not make. Please be specific.

You do know that there was a hunt for 0BL and they were bombing caves, etc, right?

0bama was given credible info in September, IIRC, and he did more homework to make sure that 0BL was there. Terrific.

But it really is dishonest to say that a person who attacked Afghanistan and Iraq would not have made the same call with the same information.


He had the chance to and didn't.

It's not dishonest at all
 
2012-04-30 10:29:59 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: gimmegimme: Don't you feel guilty about using the same number zero for bin Laden as you do with the Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America?

The only thing the G0P feels guilty about is sex.


Actually, I think the G0P is ok with sex, they just want US to feel guilty about sex. oh, and of course - women shouldn't have control over their own bodies...because that'd be sinful or something.
 
2012-04-30 10:31:09 PM

GleeUnit: I can't wait to see this farking lying chump get beaten and embarrassed on national television.


Obama will be criticized for going too hard on him with facts, and embarrassing him on national TV.
 
2012-04-30 10:31:19 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: The Romney spokesman called Obama's foreign policy "feckless".

Two things:

1) Most of your supporters don't know what "feckless" means.

2) Of all the things that one can attack Obama for, foreign policy is the least likely to score you points in this particular general election.

/this is gonna be good


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Does not approve.
 
2012-04-30 10:32:01 PM

Harry_Seldon: GleeUnit: I can't wait to see this farking lying chump get beaten and embarrassed on national television.

Obama will be criticized for going too hard on him with facts, and embarrassing him on national TV.


He will be criticized for not being Fair and Balanced enough.
 
2012-04-30 10:32:06 PM

AnEvilGuest: In the echo chamber talking points just need to be repeated often and loudly, making sense is irrelevant.


I think we hit the second phrase of that statement: "Until people start realizing that you're not making sense or pushing a real position, but a sad ideologue who wants to push your sad unproven views." Seriously, the Republicans are like some of their followers: talkative, seemingly outgoing...and then five minutes later are talking about the 'Chinese compound' outside of town that will turn all of the traffic signs into Chinese and THAT'S NOT RIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE AMERICAN!

The nation is hitting that point where we realize the Republicans just aren't there anymore, and that it's time to send them home and get them mental help. We're at the point where the Republicans may actually start throwing their shiat and justifying it with more media 'wisdom' that shows that poop is a cohesive binding agent.
 
2012-04-30 10:32:28 PM

Loucifer: Willard must count it among the infelicities of his position, that so far at least, he was taken at his word.


+100 word points
 
2012-04-30 10:34:26 PM
I wonder which troll they'll send in to carry water next?

/looks around the room at the conch, the puzzle box, and the religious zealot girl's diary
//picks up the conch
 
2012-04-30 10:35:41 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Harry_Seldon: GleeUnit: I can't wait to see this farking lying chump get beaten and embarrassed on national television.

Obama will be criticized for going too hard on him with facts, and embarrassing him on national TV.

He will be criticized for not being Fair and Balanced enough.


He will be criticized if he doesn't swear his loyalty to Saint Reagan, outlaw the Democratic party and declare Sarah Palin President for life immediately before committing seppuku.
 
2012-04-30 10:35:57 PM

Dan the Schman: I wonder which troll they'll send in to carry water next?


dunno. the GOP shills around here had better learn to pace themselves tho...it's a LONG way 'till election day!
 
2012-04-30 10:36:36 PM
Somehow I think this election will end up being kinda like this:

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2012-04-30 10:37:21 PM
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2012-04-30 10:38:59 PM
I'd have more respect for Mittens if he'd just admit that Obama is a man of courage, principle, and vision, while he himself is a cowardly pathetic weasel of a politician with no more backbone than a slug.
 
2012-04-30 10:40:06 PM

Dan the Schman: //picks up the conch


What could possibly go wrong?

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-30 10:41:42 PM

bugontherug: I'd have more respect for Mittens if he'd just admit that Obama is a man of courage, principle, and vision, while he himself is a cowardly pathetic weasel of a politician with no more backbone than a slug.


But Romney is JOB CREATOR! just look at all those jobs Mitt created during his time with Bain Capital! he was practically OOZING with trickle down goodness! that's gotta be more important than taking down the most wanted terrorist in this history of ever.
 
2012-04-30 10:41:49 PM
You may also remember that Obama stated in debates that he would use more drone attacks on Pakistan soil if he was president, even without telling Pakistan first. Bush apparently* always sought and received permission from Pakistan for using drones in Pakistan. If he was afraid to use drones without permission from Pakistan, there is no way Bush would have sent in helicopters full of SEALs without permission.

*am willing to be educated if someone can find proof of one drone attack in Pakistan made before February 2010, after Obama said we should start such attacks, without the permission of Pakistan, by Bush, obviously.
 
2012-04-30 10:46:03 PM

Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: gimmegimme: Don't you feel guilty about using the same number zero for bin Laden as you do with the Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America?

The only thing the G0P feels guilty about is sex.

Actually, I think the G0P is ok with sex, they just want US to feel guilty about sex. oh, and of course - women shouldn't have control over their own bodies...because that'd be sinful or something.


There is actually something to be said for sexual repression, in that it makes certain things naughty, and thus, hot. It is sad that in our society you basically have to have sex with a minor to get that kind of thrill. Although that does make quite an argument for keeping sex with minors illegal.

/wait, did I just say that out loud?
 
2012-04-30 10:48:17 PM
I have problems with some of President Obama's policies, but it's hard to deny that President Obama is a foreign policy genius (but the koolaid drinkers will anyway):

Killing OBL
Somali Pirates
Nuke reduction treaty with Russia
Taking out Qaddafi with no casualties and with real help! (a leader who has been PROVEN to have exported terrorism)
Arab Democracies (if we were still invading Muslim countries on our own and cheer-leading Israeli attacks there would be no Arab spring)
New trade deals with India and South Korea
No Iranian nukes (the Republicans said Iran was a year away in 2008)
World opinion of the US up sharply (see the real help with Libya)
etc...

No President in my life time has achieved so much in foreign policy as he has. Even though Reagan achieved a lot in 8 years he also left a lot of negative baggage "Cut and run" (Beruit), "Negotiate with Terrorists", "arms for hostages", "funding foreign policy with drug money" etc...
 
2012-04-30 10:51:18 PM

Weaver95: But Romney is JOB CREATOR!


Romney as Governor: 47th out of 50th for job creation during his years as Governor of Massuchusetts.

One of the states he beat was Louisiana, which had a rather unfortunate hurricane problem at the time.
 
2012-04-30 10:54:20 PM

Lando Lincoln: Weaver95: But Romney is JOB CREATOR!

Romney as Governor: 47th out of 50th for job creation during his years as Governor of Massuchusetts.

One of the states he beat was Louisiana, which had a rather unfortunate hurricane problem at the time.


but...JOB CREATOR!

JOB CREATOR!
 
2012-04-30 11:02:42 PM
Btw, I love the new Republican Talking Point that tries to tie Romney to Reagan and Obama to Carter. Only Romney can't do it because a) he has no personality and b) Obama has done a LOT of what he promised, even while inheriting a total disaster from that R-tard W.

It's really unfortunate that people can't see how stupid and regressive almost all of the Republicans positions are. I totally get your small government lower taxes thing. Except you are a f*cking idiot if you think that will work in today's modern society at current tax rates and with the debt load from YOUR WARS. Their best position, lower taxes, is a complete joke based on mostly misleading information. Since they have no positions, they resort to attacks on Obama's actual results. It's very telling. What do you do if you don't have a viable platform? What's your strategy? The blame game. Blame him for not doing enough to help the economy. Blame him for not solving healthcare. Blame him for...Osama Bin Laden? I mean cmon guys.

I recently did a study of government revenues and expenditures based on the 2010 data, and I put it into a powerpoint to show how it's impossible to fix the deficit solely by cutting spending. I'm hoping to post it soon, suffice to say I think most people would be surprised to understand that you can't just cut programs wholesale and expect your tax base to stay the same. And you'd be farking over a LOT of people. The poor, the elderly, doctors, pharmaceutical companies, medical device manufacturers, people about to retire, the military, people who work on military contracts, everyone basically who works in government, unemployed people, people on government pensions. I mean it's hilarious people think you can get a surplus out of our current tax base just by cutting spending.
 
2012-04-30 11:04:34 PM
Forgive if this has been asked before.

Anyone think we will get the helmet cam footage of the raid by October?
 
2012-04-30 11:06:48 PM

bdub77: Btw, I love the new Republican Talking Point that tries to tie Romney to Reagan and Obama to Carter. Only Romney can't do it because a) he has no personality and b) Obama has done a LOT of what he promised, even while inheriting a total disaster from that R-tard W.


Yeah, it's obvious TardThink.
 
2012-04-30 11:11:03 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: well, he is campaigning on the fact that he was the one who killed 0BL. So if that is what we need, 0BL killed again, that is who we should vote for.

this...makes no sense.


Don't start arguing with an attention whore who apparently believes our Commander in Chief likes to eat Fido Stew whenever he can get it; or will insinuate same to derail a thread just so he can hog the spotlight. Just disregard the curds&whey behind the cobweb.
 
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