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2012-04-30 08:21:33 PM  

killershark: I actually like using my DVR instead of services like Hulu. Maybe it's because it's more passive since I can set season passes and then pull them up whenever I want to on my HD television without having to remember them. So I actually wouldn't be opposed to "renting" out my cable bill -- wonder if someone will set up a way to do that if this stupid idea goes through.


Hulu offers a subscription to television shows. It works the same as DVR, you can flag all shows for your queue or just flag the new ones. As an added bonus, you can queue pretty much as many shows as you like. At one point, I had over 200 queued. The problem is that they sometimes expire, while I don't think DVR shows do. I don't know, it's been nearly a decade since I was DVR'ing.
 
2012-04-30 08:37:19 PM  
I barley watch 3 hours of TV a week, I will not be paying for 700 hours of TV a month that I am not going to watch.
 
2012-04-30 08:43:16 PM  

Weaver95: coco ebert: Codenamechaz: Don't forget, the networks are trying to get ISPs to kick people off the internet for piracy as well, so try to rely more on direct download sites and secure connections than public torrents.

Can they track online streaming as well, or only downloads?

I'm asking... for a friend. Yeah, that's the ticket!

it depends on how much time/money/effort comcast is willing to put into their detection methods. deep packet inspection can be time consuming, so they're probably using some form of network useage modeling. then when they think they found something, they zero in on that user and use deep packet inspection to see what you're really doing.

yes..that's as invasive as its sounds.


Thanks for the info, Weaver.
 
2012-04-30 08:49:33 PM  

Weaver95: R Kelly's Doo Doo Butter: Whole lot of thieves up in this thread.

copyright infringement isn't theft.


It's still illegal, and still unethical. That said, I think I'll be using the "time-shifting" rationale if hulu+ stops working or goes up in price.
 
2012-04-30 08:52:41 PM  
I have no experience with Hulu, and don't watch much of anything anymore, but this move sounds like a punative measure against those who have dropped cable service.
 
2012-04-30 08:55:44 PM  

luidprand: It's still illegal, and still unethical.


I don't think anyone's debating that.
 
2012-04-30 08:59:07 PM  
These guys must love piracy. They do everything in their power to empower it.
 
2012-04-30 09:15:02 PM  
Why don't these morons embrace the internet, I don't understand it. Do they not make money off the damn commercials they play, how is it different from regular TV really? Hulu is also pointless if someone has OnDemand, so who needs both?
 
2012-04-30 09:20:17 PM  
So instead of getting the ad revenue from Hulu, I'll just wait for the shows to come out on DVD/Blu and put them in my Netflix queue.

If people are leaving the cable model for streaming, you'd think they'd try to shift their focus on how to create a better structure for that streaming service and improving it instead of trying to tie it to a medium that people are fleeing from.
 
2012-04-30 09:21:58 PM  

Honest Bender: Girion47: I'm glad I have my private torrent site with speeds up to 1.3 mbps down, even on old stuff. Plus you can donate for upload credit, so technically you don't have to upload anything, hence not violating copyright.

I pay for Netflix, so I'm not completely depriving the media companies of income.

1. 1.3 mbps is slow as shiat.
2. Upload credits? lol
3. Leeching still violates copyrights.
4. You're getting ripped off. Which doesn't surprise me because you don't sound like you know wtf you're talking about.

/I get all that for free through TPB.


1. You're wrong
2. Yes, you don't always upload as much as you download
3. You're wrong, copyright deals with distribution, receiving a broadcast and recording it is perfectly legal under the Home Recording Act of 1992
4. You're wrong, I don't pay shiat because I maintain a 2:1 ratio of upload:download, I've haven't given the site a dime, but there is always the 2 gigs for 1 dollar option if you fall below a 1:1 ratio(for which they will boot you). I'd have to download 2 terabytes to worry about that though.
5. STFU and GBTW n00b
 
2012-04-30 09:41:33 PM  

TheJoe03: Why don't these morons embrace the internet, I don't understand it. Do they not make money off the damn commercials they play, how is it different from regular TV really? Hulu is also pointless if someone has OnDemand, so who needs both?


OnDemand has a much, much smaller selection and frequently has fast-forward disabled. Also, no closed captioning in most cases.
 
2012-04-30 09:48:03 PM  

Girion47: 1. You're wrong


actually that is really slow, hth
 
2012-04-30 09:53:47 PM  

dustman81: taxandspend: I already hate A&E enough for not putting Mad Men online, don't make me hate Comcast (more) for taking away my Parks & Rec, Community & 30 Rock. Those are literally the only four shows I watch.

/needs to see Game of Thrones

Mad Men is on AMC. A&E brings you such classics as Storage Wars, Storage Wars Texas and Parking Wars.

The first four seasons of Mad Men are available for streaming on Netflix.


I watch Wee Small Hours quite often. I love that episode.
 
2012-04-30 09:54:18 PM  
These are folks who still hate the idea of VCRs. They still haven't gotten over the idea of people recording shows on their own TVs. If anything, I keep one around, just to spite the industry, but that's the mentality of the industry. They like the advances in technology, just hate anyone else having access to them.

They see where things are heading. They just want to hate it out of existence...
 
2012-04-30 09:54:20 PM  

Cinaed: Hint: HBO, I'll pay you directly to get to your shiat legitimately WITHOUT cable, if only you'd farking let me.


As I've said in other threads, it's only a matter of time until HBO Go is made available to non-cable subscribers. It simply makes no sense to develop the service and then reserve it only for people who already get HBO.
 
2012-04-30 09:57:57 PM  

wildcardjack: According to the NYPost article, Providence Equity Partners yet another private equity firm interested in SHORT TERM REWARDS is behind this shift in policy.


Hmm. I read it that this is why they dumped their shares. They know this would be the end of the company's chance at changing the game.
 
2012-04-30 09:58:18 PM  

Girion47: 1. You're wrong


I guess it beats dialup...

2. Yes, you don't always upload as much as you download

I was loling at the fact that you even have an upload quota.

3. You're wrong, copyright deals with distribution, receiving a broadcast and recording it is perfectly legal under the Home Recording Act of 1992

I'm going to uncharacteristically restrain myself from insulting your intelligence and, instead, point out that you are incredibly ignorant of the law in this case.

4. You're wrong, I don't pay shiat because I maintain a 2:1 ratio of upload:download

Meanwhile, I download whatever the hell I want off TPB at ~4MBps. That's >24X faster than you.

5. STFU and GBTW n00b

You're the one using a ripoff service. But ya, I'm the noob.
 
2012-04-30 09:59:47 PM  

moothemagiccow: fusillade762: moothemagiccow: UNSUBSTANTIATED LINK BAIT FROM GAWKER? WHO'D HAVE THUNK IT

It's Gizmodo, not Gawker. And here's a link to the Post article you clearly missed. Whether the NYP is more reliable than Gizmodo is another question.

gizmodo is gawker


So any site run by the same company is the same thing? I guess that makes ESPN and ABC the same channel?
 
2012-04-30 10:01:47 PM  

LectertheChef: pudding7: I finally got around to the old Usenet. Since HBO won't let me watch Game of Thrones on their site, or Netflix, or Amazon, then downloading here I come.

No need to download, just stream it.


Thanks for the link!
 
2012-04-30 10:18:09 PM  

Honest Bender: Girion47: 1. You're wrong

I guess it beats dialup...

2. Yes, you don't always upload as much as you download

I was loling at the fact that you even have an upload quota.

3. You're wrong, copyright deals with distribution, receiving a broadcast and recording it is perfectly legal under the Home Recording Act of 1992

I'm going to uncharacteristically restrain myself from insulting your intelligence and, instead, point out that you are incredibly ignorant of the law in this case.

4. You're wrong, I don't pay shiat because I maintain a 2:1 ratio of upload:download

Meanwhile, I download whatever the hell I want off TPB at ~4MBps. That's >24X faster than you.

5. STFU and GBTW n00b

You're the one using a ripoff service. But ya, I'm the noob.


Wow, you're so pedantic, bit vs byte, YOURE SO FUNNAY.
No quota, it just ensures people aren't leeching without giving back.
TPB is easily trackable and you will get C&D from it and Demonoid.me, you will not from my site.
Again, not a ripoff service, as long as I keep my torrents seeding I get free access to high quality torrents and don't have to worry about legal issues.
 
2012-04-30 10:28:04 PM  

flamingboar: Maybe Hulu + will remain the same since people are already paying for service but the free streaming will require proof of cable? Or maybe it will be on certain shows? I cannot see why I should pay for anime shows when it is free streaming at the licensed website.


That's what i'm guessing. The original post says the free customers will be affected. I bet the paying customers won't notice any changes (just like the last time limitations were put on the free stream).
 
2012-04-30 10:35:35 PM  
But I cant afford cable.
 
2012-04-30 10:35:51 PM  

Girion47: Wow, you're so pedantic, bit vs byte, YOURE SO FUNNAY.


I wasn't being pedantic. You said megabits. Own it. Even at 1.3 MB/s you're still getting 1/3 the speed I get off public torrents.

No quota, it just ensures people aren't leeching without giving back.

You have a 2:1 upload quota. I get all the same service with no quota.

TPB is easily trackable and you will get C&D from it and Demonoid.

LOL. Peer Guardian and such make it trivial to stay safe.

Again, not a ripoff service, as long as I keep my torrents seeding I get free access to high quality torrents and don't have to worry about legal issues.

Like I said, ripoff service. Let's go over this again. You're required to maintain an upload quota for the privilege to download at 1/3rd the speed I get. But you do get that false sense of security, so you've got that going for you.
 
2012-04-30 10:43:44 PM  
I just wish my cable company would let me pick and choose channels from a menu instead of being tied in to all sorts of other crap I don't want. That and some competition.
 
2012-04-30 10:46:41 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com


R.I.P. Hula Hoop
 
2012-04-30 10:50:59 PM  

Honest Bender: Girion47: Wow, you're so pedantic, bit vs byte, YOURE SO FUNNAY.

I wasn't being pedantic. You said megabits. Own it. Even at 1.3 MB/s you're still getting 1/3 the speed I get off public torrents.

No quota, it just ensures people aren't leeching without giving back.

You have a 2:1 upload quota. I get all the same service with no quota.

TPB is easily trackable and you will get C&D from it and Demonoid.

LOL. Peer Guardian and such make it trivial to stay safe.

Again, not a ripoff service, as long as I keep my torrents seeding I get free access to high quality torrents and don't have to worry about legal issues.

Like I said, ripoff service. Let's go over this again. You're required to maintain an upload quota for the privilege to download at 1/3rd the speed I get. But you do get that false sense of security, so you've got that going for you.


I'd love to see a screen shot of you getting more than 2 megabytes a second on Piratebay.

my quota is 1 to 1. I maintain a 2 to 1 because I support the community I'm part of.
 
2012-04-30 10:53:06 PM  

Girion47:
TPB is easily trackable and you will get C&D from it and Demonoid.me, you will not from my site.
Again, not a ripoff service, as long as I keep my torrents seeding I get free access to high quality torrents and don't have to worry about legal issues.


Funny, I've never gotten a C&D from TPB use.

And private torrent sites are not secure by default. Who's to say that the fed isn't the one running the site you love so much? Or that one of the other users that was vouched for by someone isn't a fed in disguise. Keep believing that you are secure because you trust someone else to do the work for you, that's the way all jerks get caught. Not that I hate private trackers, I have a membership with a few for anime. They are very useful for finding specific old stuff that isn't being seeded on public trackers anymore. But they aren't a cure-all.

Me? I'll be over here watching the latest season of shows gathered from TPB, with a good IP-block black list of known litigious jerks. And I'll be saturating my DSL when I download episodes.
 
2012-04-30 11:08:22 PM  
When Hulu put commercials on PBS documentaries I quit them for good.

I would put up with one commercial every fifteen minutes or so, but even before I dropped them it was becoming more and more like regular TV anyway.
 
2012-04-30 11:28:07 PM  

Vangor: I can pirate everything...


Not an acceptable response. At least have the pretense of being an adult.
 
2012-04-30 11:32:26 PM  
www.badassoftheweek.com
RIP Shaka Zulu
 
2012-04-30 11:39:46 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: It's a crap service on PS3, anyway. Constant buffering problems. They said it was my DSL connection. Funny how Netflix works flawlessly.


It works flawlessly on my PS3. I mostly use Hulu to watch non-US stuff, like Misfits and anime. My only complaint is that most anime there is subtitle only and that Happy Endings isn't accessible on consoles.
 
2012-04-30 11:40:05 PM  
These guys must love piracy. They do everything in their power to empower it.

They are just doing their part to fight global warming

but how long can I go without television? That is the question.

If you can make it through the first 3 months you will miss it less and less as time goes on. I quit in the mid 80s. I thought at the time that 3's Company was the dumbest thing ever - boy was I wrong!
 
2012-04-30 11:40:27 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: I just wish my cable company would let me pick and choose channels from a menu instead of being tied in to all sorts of other crap I don't want. That and some competition.


Cable companies have been fighting a la carte since the 90s. They'll stick to their guns as long as they can.
 
2012-04-30 11:47:18 PM  

wildcardjack: According to the NYPost article, Providence Equity Partners yet another private equity firm interested in SHORT TERM REWARDS is behind this shift in policy.

Politicians they have contributed to, from Open Secrets...

Senator Jack Reed (D)
Senator Mike Crapo (R)
Senator Mitch McConnell (R)

Crap... this PE firm doesn't really spread it around much.


Except according to the article, they're NOT behind this policy.

"In fact, the move by Hulu toward the new model - called authentication because viewers would have to log in with their cable or satellite TV account number - was behind the move last week by Providence Equity Partners to cash out of Hulu after five years, these sources said."

Instead of Providence Equity being the ones to cause this move, they wanted nothing to do with it. PEV was all "Y'all really doin this?" and Hulu was all "Hell yeahs, what now?" and PEV was all "Eff that, I'm out. Deuces!"
 
2012-04-30 11:55:58 PM  

luidprand: OnDemand has a much, much smaller selection and frequently has fast-forward disabled. Also, no closed captioning in most cases.


Sure, but if Hulu is going to force you to have cable to use their service, then their advantage over OnDemand isn't big enough to make me pay for Hulu. Maybe for some people, but I know some sites where I can watch whatever show I want.
 
2012-04-30 11:58:35 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: How does this affect Hulu Plus?


Don't worry, it will still suck.
 
2012-05-01 12:18:55 AM  
So I pay a cable company for internet access. Now, if I want to use that internet access to view content, I have to pay my cable company for cable that I won't use in order to have an account number? Or is my internet service account number what they will want? I know I'm going to get screwed, I just want to know if I'm gonna end up walking funny.
 
2012-05-01 12:49:59 AM  

OnlyM3: Hulu, networks to change model of free streaming


Direct link so we can avoid gawker crap.


You really can't read can you? It's Gizmodo, not Gawker
 
2012-05-01 12:53:46 AM  

stoli n coke: CigaretteSmokingMan: I just wish my cable company would let me pick and choose channels from a menu instead of being tied in to all sorts of other crap I don't want. That and some competition.

Cable companies have been fighting a la carte since the 90s. They'll stick to their guns as long as they can.


It's not just the cable companies. The shiatty Jesus channels and the shopping channels would be in maybe 3 homes in America if they went a la carte.

Those motherfarking channels are like 40% of the DISH package I pay for. I have them all blocked.
 
2012-05-01 01:11:09 AM  

TheBaldOneMpls: Except according to the article, they're NOT behind this policy.


Yeah, that would explain why I didn't find them backing congressmen behind SOPA or whatever the flavor of the week is.

The ultimate reduction in piracy is to be found in making it easier to go through legit channels at a reasonable cost or well thought out advertising. To that end Verizon needs to tell CBS to find more real advertisers for their on demand stuff rather than advertising the show or sister show to what I'm watching.
 
2012-05-01 01:17:14 AM  

dmars: I tried Hulu, I really did, but after watching the same damn commercial for the 80th time I just went back to torrenting.


I'm old enough to remember when cable was first being implemented. The cable companies promised that it would be commercial free, because you had to pay a premium for the service. Then once the model became self-sustaining and they had their foot in the door, that promise fell by the wayside.

I was lucky, we lived so far out in the sticks that it would have cost us thousands to run the cable out to our property, and my step dad was so stingy that he'd take my glasses away when I wasn't looking at anything so there was no chance I was going to catch the TV bug. We got one channel, and it came in fuzzy, so I never developed a hankering for TV. No, it's not a virtue, or anything I'm proud of, I'm not an ascetic. I just never acquired the habit. The time I save I waste on the internet.
 
2012-05-01 01:20:20 AM  
inside-sonoma.com

Back to the seven seas with us it is.
 
2012-05-01 01:37:11 AM  
Time Warner is trying to sneak back in the cap bullshiat. They tried it a few years ago, but go the smackdown from customers. They want to give you a set cap, and charge per GB over your limit. Now, you say, what does this have to do with cable and Netflix/Hulu. They're doing this more so you can't stream or if you do, it will cost you a shiatload more than just caving in and buying cable. Cable from Time Warner that is. Funny how they control the internet and cable in certain parts of the country. When I lived on Long Island, they couldn't pull this shiat because there was too much competition, FIOS, Cablevision, Time Warner in certain parts. Here, it's only Windstream, and rumor has it, it's on it's way out.

Some local town installed their own isp (the town I moved to stupidly sold the service to the other town). They have their own tv and internet service, they maintain it themselves and it's cheap. But Time Warner and other cable companies have paid off politicians to stop allowing competitors to run their own lines and offer service.

I still don't know how cable isn't any different than the Mafia. They slow down you bandwidth (throttle) if you stream too much with Netflix, and wants to charge you extra for using your (supposedly) unlimited bandwidth. All to sell you another service they provide. Isn't this like Mickey and Vinnie farking with a bar owner then offering them a "protection plan"
that they also sell?

This is a great website, but it will make your blood boil.
Link
 
2012-05-01 01:38:24 AM  

Girion47: 3. You're wrong, copyright deals with distribution, receiving a broadcast and recording it is perfectly legal under the Home Recording Act of 1992


Doesn't that just cover audio?
 
2012-05-01 01:43:11 AM  
Expat here. There are something like 4-6 million of us outside of the US, and sometimes we just want to watch shows back from home. It shouldn't have to be this farking complicated - I don't mind spending $9 bucks or so on VPN every month, have a Netflix subscription, and would be willing to pay for additional content access, but if you start requiring a physical cable connection, you can fark right off. I'll just go to Usenet.
 
2012-05-01 01:47:12 AM  

ocirats: Expat here. There are something like 4-6 million of us outside of the US, and sometimes we just want to watch shows back from home. It shouldn't have to be this farking complicated - I don't mind spending $9 bucks or so on VPN every month, have a Netflix subscription, and would be willing to pay for additional content access, but if you start requiring a physical cable connection, you can fark right off. I'll just go to Usenet.


Usenet is the saving grace of the net. Without it, I'd probably just use a fee dial up to check email. These companies don't get it, no one wants 50/25 speeds for reading webpages.
 
2012-05-01 02:16:04 AM  

ocirats: Expat here. There are something like 4-6 million of us outside of the US, and sometimes we just want to watch shows back from home. It shouldn't have to be this farking complicated - I don't mind spending $9 bucks or so on VPN every month, have a Netflix subscription, and would be willing to pay for additional content access, but if you start requiring a physical cable connection, you can fark right off. I'll just go to Usenet.


I live in Spain right now on military orders, and run into the same issues. Luckily for me, our internet connection is lightning fast and individual prosecution for piracy outside of the US is practically nonexistent. They see a European IP and move along.

That's not to say I'm not careful to scrub my identity as much as possible and block known IPs attached to the squealers, but I'm a lot less likely to worry about getting the latest episode of Bones for the wife than I would have in the States.

The irony is, of course, that I never pirated in the States. Cox Communications was fairly affordable with tns of HD channels, so I just used the DVR. But we move here, and every other legal streaming service is non functioning without buying a proxie/tunneler, and now they are apparently making that even less appealing. So if I want American TV, saying "Ahoy" to the internet underbelly is really the only way to go.
 
2012-05-01 02:20:05 AM  
There is absolutely nothing on TV nowadays that is worth getting in trouble over. If they don't want me to watch it....I'll just stop watching. Barely watch anything now as it is. Once you break yourself of the addiction to base entertainment it really is easy to stay away.
 
2012-05-01 02:27:00 AM  

R Kelly's Doo Doo Butter: Whole lot of thieves up in this thread.


Make something worth paying for, and I'll pay for it.
 
2012-05-01 02:42:21 AM  

Shadowknight: ocirats: Expat here. There are something like 4-6 million of us outside of the US, and sometimes we just want to watch shows back from home. It shouldn't have to be this farking complicated - I don't mind spending $9 bucks or so on VPN every month, have a Netflix subscription, and would be willing to pay for additional content access, but if you start requiring a physical cable connection, you can fark right off. I'll just go to Usenet.

I live in Spain right now on military orders, and run into the same issues. Luckily for me, our internet connection is lightning fast and individual prosecution for piracy outside of the US is practically nonexistent. They see a European IP and move along.

That's not to say I'm not careful to scrub my identity as much as possible and block known IPs attached to the squealers, but I'm a lot less likely to worry about getting the latest episode of Bones for the wife than I would have in the States.

The irony is, of course, that I never pirated in the States. Cox Communications was fairly affordable with tns of HD channels, so I just used the DVR. But we move here, and every other legal streaming service is non functioning without buying a proxie/tunneler, and now they are apparently making that even less appealing. So if I want American TV, saying "Ahoy" to the internet underbelly is really the only way to go.


Hi SK,


I would gauge the internet speeds in Europe as ludicrously fast.

Having said that, a lot of people in Germany are suffering from "IP" law firms contacting them about illegal downloads and suing them for a shiat-ton of money. In other words, it's not just the American lawyers trying to make a profit.
 
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