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(BBC)   It's Manc-on-Manc action as United and City fight for the EPL title on Monday, followed by a midweek orgy of 4th-6th place battles featuring Chelsea, Spurs and Newcastle   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 329
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2012-04-30 10:17:12 PM

meanmutton: So, to make sure we're all on the same page -- if Chelsea finish 5th but win the Champion's League this year than the 4th place team doesn't go to the Champion's League and all four teams (presumably, Man U, City, and Arsenal plus Chelsea) go through directly to the group stage and no one has to go through the qualifier stage.


Yes.

You're worried about one play-off round? Try starting in the first or second round. Cards don't reset until the group stage, so by the 5th or 6th match they can catch up with you.
 
2012-05-01 12:53:33 AM

Stimied in a Rut: For all of you that are cheering against United (most of you) why pick City over them? I guess the obvious choice is that United has won so many titles or that you are a Liverpool fan. Seems weird to cheer for a team that is basically a fantasy team purchased by a billionaire (I realize United is not much different, but at least they have some local players).


Why do I support City? Because I happened to see a lot of their games three years ago when I started following the Premier League. I didn't know that their new ownership was buying players at that point, but I knew I didn't want to root for Chelsea, Arsenal, United, or Liverpool.

I also have an irrational affection for Craig Bellamy, who got a lot of playing time at that point.
 
2012-05-01 05:44:39 AM
I ain't even mad. I could see it coming. I'm as apathetic as the team was last night. But they're still United, they're still my boys and I love them. Apart from Rooney, of course. He's unlovable. Unless you're a good Catholic girl and you really quite like the lifestyle to which you've become accustomed.
 
2012-05-01 05:52:42 AM
I think it's pretty clear if City beat Newcastle, they've got the title. QPR, even in a relegation battle, are going to be up against a rested, super motivated, one step from the title, loaded City team that want nothing more than to win the title for the first time since '68 on their home ground.

Gonna be huge. See you guys Sunday.
 
2012-05-01 08:16:43 AM

Cajnik: meanmutton: So, to make sure we're all on the same page -- if Chelsea finish 5th but win the Champion's League this year than the 4th place team doesn't go to the Champion's League and all four teams (presumably, Man U, City, and Arsenal plus Chelsea) go through directly to the group stage and no one has to go through the qualifier stage.

Yes.

You're worried about one play-off round? Try starting in the first or second round. Cards don't reset until the group stage, so by the 5th or 6th match they can catch up with you.


I'm primarily worried about Chelsea making the Champion's League next year, frankly. Otherwise, the discussion is just getting a firm understanding of how the qualifiers work in case there's a team that wins the Champion's League but doesn't finish in the top 4 because, well, I like knowing that sort of minutia.
 
2012-05-01 09:59:59 AM
Unfreakable can we get a bump?

Hoping for an American sweep today with Fulham beating Pool and Everton beating Stoke. Having Everton finish above Pool would be a small consolation if United can't get the title and Spurs don't make champs league.
 
2012-05-01 10:31:04 AM

Stimied in a Rut: Unfreakable can we get a bump?


Bump.
 
2012-05-01 10:38:23 AM

Unfreakable: Stimied in a Rut: Unfreakable can we get a bump?

Bump.


Cheers!
 
2012-05-01 10:53:08 AM

Stimied in a Rut: Unfreakable can we get a bump?

Hoping for an American sweep today with Fulham beating Pool and Everton beating Stoke. Having Everton finish above Pool would be a small consolation if United can't get the title and Spurs don't make champs league.


Michael Bradley with Chievo today, too (noon FSC).
 
2012-05-01 11:00:50 AM
I started cheering for City back in the mid-90's. I think it was the last season before they began their slide. I knew a handful of soccer players, and the majority of them were absolute pricks. The majority of them also liked United, so I associated United with pricks (an association that has yet to fail me) and went with their closest rival. Also, I farking hate David Beckham.

I haven't been able to watch much of this season. That gives me a sad, but it makes me feel better to know that, if they win the title this season, they did it by trampling over united.
 
2012-05-01 11:10:34 AM
If you got problems I feel bad for you son, Liverpool had 99 problems but beating City wasn't one.
 
2012-05-01 11:51:13 AM

taoistlumberjak: I started cheering for City back in the mid-90's. I think it was the last season before they began their slide. I knew a handful of soccer players, and the majority of them were absolute pricks. The majority of them also liked United, so I associated United with pricks (an association that has yet to fail me) and went with their closest rival. Also, I farking hate David Beckham.

I haven't been able to watch much of this season. That gives me a sad, but it makes me feel better to know that, if they win the title this season, they did it by trampling over united. having a bigger bank account than most countries

 
2012-05-01 12:14:20 PM
Chievo's pitch is like a swamp.

/yay wet kits
 
2012-05-01 01:46:25 PM

Billy Crystal Meth Lab: taoistlumberjak: I started cheering for City back in the mid-90's. I think it was the last season before they began their slide. I knew a handful of soccer players, and the majority of them were absolute pricks. The majority of them also liked United, so I associated United with pricks (an association that has yet to fail me) and went with their closest rival. Also, I farking hate David Beckham.

I haven't been able to watch much of this season. That gives me a sad, but it makes me feel better to know that, if they win the title this season, they did it by trampling over united. having a bigger bank account than most countries


Since it's inception, the Premier League title has always gone to a big-spending team (even Blackburn, hard as it is to think of now). Why have people seemingly been more upset with this fact for Chelsea & City than previously? It we were talking about City vs Swans for the title, that would be one thing, but United can hardly complain. United have become masterful at poaching other club's young talent before the cost became prohibitive and their current ownership's debts steal far too much of the club's income, but these facts by no means makes them anything but among the richest clubs on the planet. ...and, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this. Just as I have no problems with Chelsea & CIty's sugar daddy's.

Now, if they ownership was setting up the club for a potentially monumental financial disaster, like Rangers in Scotland, then it's a different discussion altogether, but that's not the case here... I just don't understand the outrage by any club's fans that are around the top of the tables.
 
2012-05-01 01:50:12 PM
Liverpool starters for tonight:

Doni, Kelly, Aurelio, Skrtel, Coates, Henderson, Shelvey, Spearing, Maxi, Kuyt, Carroll

Subs: Sterling, Downing, Robinson, Enrique, Flanagan, Carragher, Jones.

Gerrard, Suarez. Bellamy given the night off to prepare for Saturday's FA Cup Final
 
2012-05-01 02:04:03 PM
Everton line-up:

Howard, Hibbert, Distin, Heitinga, Jagielka, Anichebe, Pienaar, Osman, Fellaini, Cahill, Jelavic

Subs: Mucha, Stracqualursi, McFadden, Gueye, Barkley, Coleman, Duffy
 
2012-05-01 02:07:01 PM

TheMatchHare:
Since it's inception, the Premier League title has always gone to a big-spending team (even Blackburn, hard as it is to think of now). Why have people seemingly been more upset with this fact for Chelsea & City than previously? It we were talking about City vs Swans for the title, that would be one thing, but United can hardly complain. United have become masterful at poaching other club's young talent before the cost became prohibitive and their current ownership's debts steal far too much of the club's income, but these facts by no means makes them anything but among the richest clubs on the planet. ...and, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this. Just as I have no problems with Chelsea & CIty's sugar daddy's.

Now, if they ownership was setting up the club for a potentially monumental financial disaster, like Rangers in Scotland, then it's a different discussion altogether, but that's not the case here... I just don't understand the outrage by any club's fans that are around the top of the tables.


I get what you are saying, but Chelsea and City are blowing up the wage structure completely. Clubs like United are wealthy, but have limits. City and Chelsea have essentially unlimited amounts of cash, and as a result are willing and able to overpay players just to prevent them from playing for a rival.

Here's a timely article on the subject. City has an average wage about $2 million over even very wealthy clubs like United, Liverpool and Arsenal.
 
2012-05-01 02:14:11 PM

TheMatchHare: Billy Crystal Meth Lab: taoistlumberjak: I started cheering for City back in the mid-90's. I think it was the last season before they began their slide. I knew a handful of soccer players, and the majority of them were absolute pricks. The majority of them also liked United, so I associated United with pricks (an association that has yet to fail me) and went with their closest rival. Also, I farking hate David Beckham.

I haven't been able to watch much of this season. That gives me a sad, but it makes me feel better to know that, if they win the title this season, they did it by trampling over united. having a bigger bank account than most countries

Since it's inception, the Premier League title has always gone to a big-spending team (even Blackburn, hard as it is to think of now). Why have people seemingly been more upset with this fact for Chelsea & City than previously? It we were talking about City vs Swans for the title, that would be one thing, but United can hardly complain. United have become masterful at poaching other club's young talent before the cost became prohibitive and their current ownership's debts steal far too much of the club's income, but these facts by no means makes them anything but among the richest clubs on the planet. ...and, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this. Just as I have no problems with Chelsea & CIty's sugar daddy's.

Now, if they ownership was setting up the club for a potentially monumental financial disaster, like Rangers in Scotland, then it's a different discussion altogether, but that's not the case here... I just don't understand the outrage by any club's fans that are around the top of the tables.


I think it's really old money (utd) vs new money (city), and the fact that people are simply jealous. If City or Utd start winning every year, then there should be a discussion. Until then, it's just modern sports. Same obvs applies to any big spending club.

/not a utd/city fan by any stretch
 
2012-05-01 02:15:17 PM

desertgeek: Liverpool starters for tonight:

Doni, Kelly, Aurelio, Skrtel, Coates, Henderson, Shelvey, Spearing, Maxi, Kuyt, Carroll

Subs: Sterling, Downing, Robinson, Enrique, Flanagan, Carragher, Jones.

Gerrard, Suarez. Bellamy given the night off to prepare for Saturday's FA Cup Final


Pepe too, I assume? That's okay, I can just gawk at this man when they show the bench.

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2012-05-01 02:24:09 PM

TheKnownUniverse: desertgeek: Liverpool starters for tonight:

Doni, Kelly, Aurelio, Skrtel, Coates, Henderson, Shelvey, Spearing, Maxi, Kuyt, Carroll

Subs: Sterling, Downing, Robinson, Enrique, Flanagan, Carragher, Jones.

Gerrard, Suarez. Bellamy given the night off to prepare for Saturday's FA Cup Final

Pepe too, I assume?


Yeah, missed Reina being off tonight too.
 
2012-05-01 02:25:25 PM

StRalphTheLiar: Clubs like United are wealthy, but have limits


hahahahahaha. *gasp* hahahahaha. seriously? have you looked at united's financial statements lately? they're going the way of liverpool pre-nesv buyout. their own fans are revolting, for god's sake.
 
2012-05-01 02:27:39 PM
If Fulham wins 5-0 they and Pool will be equal on points and goal differential (although not sure about goals scored).
 
2012-05-01 02:30:15 PM

socalnewwaver: StRalphTheLiar: Clubs like United are wealthy, but have limits

hahahahahaha. *gasp* hahahahaha. seriously? have you looked at united's financial statements lately? they're going the way of liverpool pre-nesv buyout. their own fans are revolting, for god's sake.


Yes they are - in an attempt to keep up with City and Chelsea. That's what I'm talking about regarding the new money destroying the wage structure. Now you have Liverpool and United taking on massive debt trying to remain at the top, and there absolutely is the risk of a Rangers or even Leeds style collapse.
 
2012-05-01 02:31:41 PM
I just checked, Fulham is already in the lead on goals scored, so if they win 5-0 they will hop Pool in the table. Not that I expect it to happen, just an interesting tidbit.
 
2012-05-01 02:33:10 PM
Fulham lineup:
Schwarzer, Post, Hangeland, Hughes, Riise, Kelly, Murphy, Dembele, Kacaniklic, Duff, Pogrebnyak, Dempsey
 
2012-05-01 02:33:37 PM
My Predos:

Liverpool 1-1 Fulham
Stoke 0-2 Everton
 
2012-05-01 02:35:03 PM

StRalphTheLiar: Yes they are - in an attempt to keep up with City and Chelsea


so where are the limits to which you refer? they don't exist. spending a metric arse load of money in order to keep up with the joneses is still spending a metric arse load of money.

the key to this is financial fair play, if it is ever actually enforced.
 
2012-05-01 02:37:36 PM

Stimied in a Rut: My Predos:

Liverpool 1-1 Fulham


mine:

liverpool 0-2 post

/reverse jinx ftw
 
2012-05-01 02:40:00 PM
I'm feeling a big game for Maxi. 2-1 for the Reds.
 
2012-05-01 02:44:54 PM

dietbubba: I'm feeling a big game for Maxi


shhhh, don't say that, if he scores two goals, he'll wind up back on the bench for six more matches.

/allegedly, on his last trip over, john henry asked dalglish why he didn't play maxi more
 
2012-05-01 02:46:04 PM

socalnewwaver: StRalphTheLiar: Yes they are - in an attempt to keep up with City and Chelsea

so where are the limits to which you refer? they don't exist. spending a metric arse load of money in order to keep up with the joneses is still spending a metric arse load of money.

the key to this is financial fair play, if it is ever actually enforced.


A high limit is still a limit. City has outspent United on transfers by something like $300 million over the last 3 years, and increased their payroll by 26% in just one year, compared to 8% for United.

I agree about the financial fair play, but unfortunately I don't have high hopes for enforcement.
 
2012-05-01 02:51:10 PM
fark me sideways
 
2012-05-01 02:51:48 PM
The keeper looked like he was in slow mo going after that ball...
 
2012-05-01 02:52:05 PM
FML
 
2012-05-01 02:54:22 PM

StRalphTheLiar: A high limit is still a limit. City has outspent United on transfers by something like $300 million over the last 3 years, and increased their payroll by 26% in just one year, compared to 8% for United


united is going deeper and deeper into debt. spending uncontrollably to a lesser extent than someone else is spending uncontrollably is still spending uncontrollably, and defending the practive is kinda like saying you're not an amputee because you're only missing one arm, but your neighbour is missing two.
 
2012-05-01 02:57:05 PM
What the hell happened?
 
2012-05-01 02:57:47 PM
Damn that stadium IS quiet.

/I was just thinking that as the announcers mentioned it
 
2012-05-01 03:01:34 PM

dietbubba: What the hell happened?


own goal off skrtel's shoulder.
 
2012-05-01 03:02:45 PM
At work, after that start need a drink....
 
2012-05-01 03:03:09 PM

Mr_H: Damn that stadium IS quiet


only 32,000 on hand tonight.
 
2012-05-01 03:06:08 PM

dietbubba: What the hell happened?


Liverpool FC 2011/12 happened
 
2012-05-01 03:08:25 PM

StRalphTheLiar: TheMatchHare:
Since it's inception, the Premier League title has always gone to a big-spending team (even Blackburn, hard as it is to think of now). Why have people seemingly been more upset with this fact for Chelsea & City than previously? It we were talking about City vs Swans for the title, that would be one thing, but United can hardly complain. United have become masterful at poaching other club's young talent before the cost became prohibitive and their current ownership's debts steal far too much of the club's income, but these facts by no means makes them anything but among the richest clubs on the planet. ...and, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this. Just as I have no problems with Chelsea & CIty's sugar daddy's.

Now, if they ownership was setting up the club for a potentially monumental financial disaster, like Rangers in Scotland, then it's a different discussion altogether, but that's not the case here... I just don't understand the outrage by any club's fans that are around the top of the tables.

I get what you are saying, but Chelsea and City are blowing up the wage structure completely. Clubs like United are wealthy, but have limits. City and Chelsea have essentially unlimited amounts of cash, and as a result are willing and able to overpay players just to prevent them from playing for a rival.

Here's a timely article on the subject. City has an average wage about $2 million over even very wealthy clubs like United, Liverpool and Arsenal.


Interesting link. Thanks for including that.
 
2012-05-01 03:10:09 PM

TheKnownUniverse: dietbubba: What the hell happened?

Liverpool FC 2011/12 happened


That's all you had to say...
 
2012-05-01 03:11:38 PM
I like how the adboard behind goal switched to "Unmissable" right as Kuyt took that shot.
 
2012-05-01 03:33:07 PM
carroll has been a menace in the air tonight. it's a shame we don't have someone who can finish.
 
2012-05-01 03:33:48 PM
Now Crouch own goals.

Just not Liverpool's day, is it? For current or former players.
 
2012-05-01 03:53:55 PM
ESPN gametracker is nothing but red triangles for Liverpool shots and the one black one at the other end for the own goal
 
2012-05-01 04:17:04 PM
These games are making me fall aslzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
2012-05-01 04:20:47 PM
Yay, Raheem Sterling gets more playing time.
 
2012-05-01 04:26:03 PM

TheMatchHare: Why have people seemingly been more upset with this fact for Chelsea & City than previously?


Because United and Arsenal spend their own money.
 
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