doglover: Also, you seem to focus on Susan a little too much. The real star of the series is Oy. It's about his progress from a humble throcken eating bugs in the forest to his eventual evolution into the first gunslinger without guns. That whole Roland story arc is just to throw you off the scent.

I personally don't like the thread of Susan. Honestly, I'd hope she'd get killed off, but I know she's there to stay :(

WhyteRaven74: Weaver95: my company got a very nice tax break from the state government this year and you know what? we're laying off another 500 people and moving more jobs overseas.

If the state had a clue they'd go "You're doing what? Ok, pay back the tax break plus 50%".

we have a Republican governor. he's pretty cool with giving corporations tax breaks for moving jobs overseas and then making it more difficult to sign up for public assistance.

Let's say you cut SS. Well there's a surplus right now. People would still need to save for retirement, so most would still have to be saved, meaning no consumption. You cut SS, you can't tax SS anymore so...cutting SS currently does nothing.

Medicare is partially paid for by payroll taxes as well. So you cut Medicare, you're only saving part of the money - and those same medicare expenditures mostly are spent on the healthcare industry which is largely in the US economy. So those people will be unemployed. Cutting it would save maybe 280 billion after all. And healthcare costs and the drag on the economy would go up as older people can't afford healthcare, go bankrupt, go to the ER.

Medicaid also goes to the US economy. You'd save 70 cents on the dollar, not 100 cents on the dollar, for cutting it.

Oh look the deficit is still like 800 billion. Now cut 500 billion in defense, only most of defense is US workers and military and now about 2 million more people are out of a job. And all the industry around those people, just like we saw when NASA was unfunded. Now we're in a recession, and less tax revenues for the government, so...you only saved another 300 billion. You're still 500 billion in debt, and what's left? Hardly anything. A good portion of welfare is pension obligations and unemployment (which is paid into) so you can't really cut that. About 700 billion goes to run the government, and cutting that would once again reduce your revenues. You come down to it, there's really no way to adequately run the federal government at current tax rates without incurring additional deficits. That's the hard truth, people.

doglover: Satanic_Hamster: Notice how it's always the people who became millionaires from humble backgrounds and through the fruit of their own labor who have no problem paying more taxes.

No, I don't.

Adam Carolla is totally a "Fark you, I earned this now keep away type." of 0 to millionaire. He biatches constantly about shiat like how he pays more money in taxes and that's his fair share. Never mind that he was stuck unable to pay them for years until he made it big in comedy.

Meanwhile Warren Buffet was a senator's son, which means he's never really been in the "have nothing" category at all. In fact, in the book Snowball we see that his dad pulled numerous strings to get his boy ahead at a young age and basically groomed him for success.

You have sex with dogs. Your point is invalid.

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Contents Under Pressure: This is the first thing he's written that I've truly enjoyed.

Bonus is that he and his wife are pumping money into the local economy and helping out local interests. I truly admire him (and her) for that.

Now if he could only write less lame dialogue in his books.

I don't mind his dialog. It's the sex scenes that make me cringe. He should call Howard Stern and get him to write the sex scenes.

winterwhile: Weaver95: I note that winterwhile is actually AGREEING with defense spending cuts.

that's interesting.

if we did not have Obama's war in Afgainstain

more would be avail

but then again, its a liberal war

must be ok

but...Obama wasn't president of the US on 7 October 2001...

shamanwest: Oy... oh how I loved Oy so much.

/sniffles


Ake.

WhyteRaven74: Weaver95: he's pretty cool with giving corporations tax breaks for moving jobs overseas and then making it more difficult to sign up for public assistance.

Also, it's Pennsylvania.

I have Republican friends of mine who are either on public assisstance themselves or have an SO and a lot of friends/family who are on public assistance and every day I hear 'em biatch about 'welfare queens' and how they want to see welfare go away forever.

I just don't get it.

Corporate Self: I doubt winterwhile is going to let a little things like facts stand in the way of his DERP.

but how can someone say Obama's at fault for starting the war in Afghanistan when that simply isn't true? Obama wasn't president in 2001, he didn't start that war.

I don't understand how someone can just ignore reality like that. I mean ok, maybe if they were legitimately mentally ill then I could see it but...c'mon.

shamanwest: I have Winterwhile on ignore so I only get to see little snippets of his posts. Perhaps he could be the ghost in the series... you know he's there. You can feel his presence, and you only hear of him as rumor or hearsay.

The premise of the book could be a guy that purges his ignore list and is inundated with retards. As soon as you click the button, your world turns into a hybrid of The Walking Dead and Awakenings.

Not bad.

Hey, we can even make Bevets the token religious freak.

I think from now on when he posts, I'm going to read his posts in the voice of Piper Laurie from now on.

Ok, it's settled. Winterwhile is the mysterious ghost of the politics tab. Perhaps he was trapped here when his universe almost collapsed, forcing the dumbest of the people out of the Brawndoverse and into inert states of derp and hurr.

Bevets will be the religious loon trying to lure all the people in so he can get some poon from the crazy broad.

Tenpoundsofcheese will be the guy in the sandwich(cheese sandwich...get it?) board ringing the bell saying the end times are near while a black president is shown on the TVs in the bar behind him.

Weaver95 can be the guy that escapes the Brawndoverse and tries to warn us about the Limtards to no avail. He's also the only one brave enough to travel between universes to bring messages of hope, despair, and ultimately love.

I think we can even find space for the power-hungry cops and alts.

winterwhile: so... Reagan got the same economy, Obama got, from Carter

by now he had us at 4% GDP going to 5% GDP growth

Haha Reagan got us into this mess. Dude amassed federal debt like no other president until Bush Jr.

Also do your math - "Historically, from 1947 until 2011 the United States' average quarterly GDP Growth was 3.28 percent" AND inflation was much higher than 2% for this period.

WhyteRaven74: Weaver95: I just don't get it.

Keep the government out of my Medicare! Yeah, it's that.

these are people who are otherwise intelligent people, some with a couple/few years of college under their belts. But they look at their friends who are stuck on public assistance (through no fault of their own either...and everyone I know who's ON public assistance is trying like hell to get off it) and tell them that everyone on welfare is a leech.

WhyteRaven74: Weaver95: tell them that everyone on welfare is a leech

In their minds, they and only they deserve it.

I had a somewhat involved discussion with a FB friend the other day about welfare. they said welfare needed to be erased. I countered by saying that we need to stop corporations from shipping jobs overseas, and that would lower unemployment thus getting more people off welfare. she...lost her shiat. completely lost her shiat. weirdly so, I might add. even though she essentially agreed that jobs need to stay in this country, she couldn't bring herself to actually blame a corporation for doing something she disagreed with...

it was a strange thing to see.

shamanwest: Cubansaltyballs: Contents Under Pressure: This is the first thing he's written that I've truly enjoyed.

Bonus is that he and his wife are pumping money into the local economy and helping out local interests. I truly admire him (and her) for that.

Now if he could only write less lame dialogue in his books.

I don't mind his dialog. It's the sex scenes that make me cringe. He should call Howard Stern and get him to write the sex scenes.

You know what? After IT, there is not a sex scene that can be written, save maybe a combination of kiddie porn and beastiality, that could twig me.

I don't remember that sex scene. I read that book like 15 years ago. I do remember the sex scenes in 11/22/63, and the drawing of three.

They were just so bad you want to set the book on fire.

Really dude? A white junkie bangs a legless black chick with lobstrosoties lurking around? Give me a f*cking break.

Weaver95: I had a somewhat involved discussion with a FB friend the other day about welfare. they said welfare needed to be erased. I countered by saying that we need to stop corporations from shipping jobs overseas, and that would lower unemployment thus getting more people off welfare. she...lost her shiat. completely lost her shiat. weirdly so, I might add. even though she essentially agreed that jobs need to stay in this country, she couldn't bring herself to actually blame a corporation for doing something she disagreed with...

it was a strange thing to see.

The thing about it is, welfare, real welfare to the poor, is really not a huge part of the federal budget. Under $200 billion. And that includes things like food stamps and public housing. Even if you got completely rid of the huge bugaboo welfare, you'd still be like a trillion dollars in the hole. And you'd have deteriorating situations with respect to people without food, people living on the street. It would not be the utopia many people say it is.

gimmegimme: All of the anti-government fools should be against private prisons, for-profit universities, for-profit red light cameras, for-profit mercenaries and for-profit health care for just these reasons. (Oh, and all of the literal death panels and the people these companies let die.)

But they're not, because they're not anti-govt. They're pro-authoritarian... so long as their side is in control.