Proof that money won't make you less of a gibbering lefty nutbag than you naturally are. Obviously the dough is wasted on him, so if someone wants to come up with a bill taxing Stephen King 100% of his net worth, I'll be for it.

Weaver95: WhyteRaven74: winterwhile: its a spending problem

So we can cut all the defense spending the military itself doesn't want?

exactly! that's what winterwhile meant, right? I never knew he was so progressive.

and his idea of decriminalizing cannabis and cutting DEA funding was brilliant! that'll save us a ton of cash. but what REALLY made winterwhile shine was his insistance on cutting subsidies to corporations. that's just plain brilliant. since they're not paying taxes anyways, cutting subsidies is just amazing!

Cut of your jib, newsletter, etc.

robrr2003: Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

Your tax rate is limited only by how much you want to send.

THIS.

Of course King doesn't just want his taxes raised, he wants to give the State the power to determine who has "too much" and take what they want. And then the all-knowing, all-loving State will make everything OK and protect us all from all the bad stuff in life.

Bullshiat. It's juvenile fantasy. The federal government is the most inefficient and wasteful institution in the country. It pisses away more cash than a drunk sailor at a whorehouse. If you think that the federal government has so much as one farking clue about what is "fair" and can create justice and equity from thin air, you're farking deluded.

The government is greed. It's power. It's coercion. We give it power only because there are times - very farking limited times - when as inefficient and wasteful as it is, there's no better alternative. We don't give it power except when we farking have to.

The second you give the State both the guns and the butter, you've given the State the power to control everything. And anyone with even the remotest understanding of history knows how stupid a choice that is and how dangerous the results are.

Pay your taxes, but demand that the government spend that money wisely. The State has no moral claim on your money - we are citizen, not farking subjects. The State is subservient to us, not the other way around. That's why the Founders deliberately created a system that limited the powers of the federal government to certain enumerated powers. And here we are, farking up that great legacy out of a misplaced sense of noblesse oblige for the rich, and boundless greed for free shiat from the poor.

WhyteRaven74: winterwhile: its a spending problem

So we can cut all the defense spending the military itself doesn't want?

The military is kind of like a woman. Sure she says she doesn't want it. But you know she really does. Don't is just a yes, with different letters, and apostrophe, and a "t" on the end. So, when the military says "we don't want that money, don't give it to us" you know what it's really saying. It's really saying "give it to me, big boy."

/kind of like a vaginal ultrasound

The thing about The Dark Tower series is, as the main character himself remarks, it's a genre stew. Last year the media was hyping the movie "Cowboys and Aliens," about how amazing that they managed to mesh two such seemingly unrelated genres as Western and Sci-Fi together. Others such as Pier Xanthony (heh) have tried to do the same with Sci-Fi and Fantasy (decently with his Incarnations of Immortality series [though it had its ups and downs and a really lame ending], somewhat less so with the original The Apprentice Adept trilogy, and considerably less so with its sequels).

But The Dark tower seamlessly meshes Western, Sci-Fi, Tolkienesque High Fantasy, and Horror together, and does it quite well for the most part − right up until Stephen King got hit by the van in real life. I would love to've seen where the story would've gone had that not happened. You can tell it was headed in an entirely different direction prior to that, but after that King retconned it to put more of his own personal story into it.

You'll know when that happens in the books: it's when the characters (not King in the Forewords) start talking about the number nineteen.

robrr2003: Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

Your tax rate is limited only by how much you want to send.

All tax should be optional. Everyone starts at 0%, and then just whatever they choose to send in goes into the government ledgers. It's not the government's money, it belongs to an individual.

This is what you are suggesting. If you're not, then you agree with us that the actual rate across the board is a moving target, and we're only disagreeing about where the actual rate should be set.

Also, you admit that you are no-where-farking-near that tax rate.

Corvus: Debeo Summa Credo: Well, are you quite sure that they aren't renting it out because of the taxes they would have to pay or because the after tax income doesn't justify the hassle/risk/wear and tear of renting?

The latter makes much more sense than the former, and although you may have idiot friends who would cut off their nose to spite their face because they hate paying taxes, it is more likely that this would be an example of the income tax reducing after tax income on an activity and acting as a disincentive to rent, like it acts as a disincentive to work or invest. Be careful before you stumble into a GOP talking point.

They actually don't understand how taxes work and it's to spite the government. I kid you not. There are people who do this.

Yes a disincentive but they would still be making more money. It's not like it would cost them more. And they are middle class so it's not like they would be losing deductions on their taxes.

Yeah, it's a pain in the ass to rent anyway so if the after tax income isnt' enough then I can see how people might choose not to.

But you're telling me that it's specifically because they don't want to pay taxes, so I guess I'll believe you and agree with you that they are morons. You should offer them a lowball price on the rental property and tell them they can use the capital loss to offset taxable income and pay less tax (limited to $3,000 deduction per year I believe).

jjorsett: Proof that money won't make you less of a gibbering lefty nutbag than you naturally are. Obviously the dough is wasted on him, so if someone wants to come up with a bill taxing Stephen King 100% of his net worth, I'll be for it.

Yes, what a horrible person he is wasting his hard earned wealth on charities and trying to get everyone to contribute to making this nation great.

Speaking of wastes, only on human genetic material...

bextraordinary: If a Farkette was looking for a new book to read and wanted to get into Stephen King's stuff, where would you Farkers recommend she begin? Any books to definitely avoid?

I'd say the stand. I'm not a big King fan (though I like him more after this article) but that book was amazing. A bit slow at first but I thoroughly enjoyed it and found myself wishing that there were a few hundred more pages by the end of it.

Uberdeity: Craptastic: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Also, see The Mist. It's one of his older books short stories novellas, and was pretty good, but the movie was freaky as hell.

The movie was...OK, but the ending was spectacular. Being the sick fark I am, I laughed while my then-GF was horrified.

I have very few buttons when it comes to movie endings, but that one was total shiat. If you look at the road they were on, it was a straight farking line. The idiot in the jeep drove through the army guys and did that stupid shiat at the end and then they walked up on him and he was farking surprised. It was total ass-blasting retarded shiat. fark that stupid movie.

Your comment vs. mine is the exact reason why the ending was a good one. I liked it, you hated it, but all of us have a strong opinion about it.

Also, winterwhile, STFU you idiot. We're talking about Stephen King books/movies here, and nobody cares what you think about anything. You're the stupidest person on this website. Congrats on that accomplishment!

doglover: shamanwest: "Help! We're stuck in this crappy story and we can't get out."

Wait, you think Wizard and Glass is a crap story and yet you can actually enjoy the 6th and 7th books? Especially the 7th book? Wow.


That little trip back to Mejis is pretty much the pinacle of the whole series. Wolves of the Callah is where King starts to lose his mind and The Song of Susanah is where he finally goes full retard and crashes, with the final book being the insane gibbering from the hole he lands in until the very, very, VERY end. But I suspect he's had that ending chambered since The man in black fled through the desert and the Gunslinger followed, because it alone's worth more than the previous book in terms of quality.

If you think WiG is the pinnacle work in that series, you've got problems. I'll agree that song of susanna has problems, but then again, I had some wishes for her in the last book that went unfulfilled, so... However, Dark Tower is not crap.

Next you'll tell me that Misery really was a good book and I'm stupid for thinking that any of his movies are better than the book.

/you probably also liked the ending of the Mist movie, even if it was logically inconsistent with reality

WombatControl: The federal government is the most inefficient and wasteful institution in the country

I can think of an entire slate of corporations that indicate otherwise.

shamanwest: So, when the military says "we don't want that money, don't give it to us" you know what it's really saying. It's really saying "give it to me, big boy."

The military is nothing like that.

I will second the recomendation for "On Writing." I'm not a huge fan of King's work, though I love his short stories, but I still found it excellent practical advice given in that occasionally brutally straightforward, unpretentious and lightly humorous style.

I'll pay more in taxes if rich people have to have their privates doused in lighter fluid and lit on fire whilst Disco Inferno plays in the background.

WhyteRaven74: WombatControl: The federal government is the most inefficient and wasteful institution in the country

I can think of an entire slate of corporations that indicate otherwise.

shamanwest: So, when the military says "we don't want that money, don't give it to us" you know what it's really saying. It's really saying "give it to me, big boy."

The military is nothing like that.

Yeah. The military is nothing like that. They are the first to shout from the roof tops that they are government jobs that deserve to be cut just like all the other ones.

winterwhile: bdub77: winterwhile: its not a taxing problem

its a spending problem

get it?

No. It's both. Get it?

Trust me on this, I've done the math, there is no practical way in hell you can pay down current deficits solely by cutting spending. The amount of damage you'd do to the economy in your quest to reduce defense, social security, medicare, medicaid, and all of the other governmental agencies simply wouldn't put a dent in the deficit, would make the revenue stream of the government dry up, and would put millions of additional Americans out of a job. This country must raise taxes.

if you rally did the math

all you have to do it stop the spending increases

but then again, you did not do any math

Raining taxes put folks out of work... get it? Even Obama get's that.

You know what else we all know kills more jobs....across the board/over the top austerity. But keep harping on taxes...it's just your nature.

WhyteRaven74: WombatControl: The federal government is the most inefficient and wasteful institution in the country

I can think of an entire slate of corporations that indicate otherwise.

shamanwest: So, when the military says "we don't want that money, don't give it to us" you know what it's really saying. It's really saying "give it to me, big boy."

The military is nothing like that.

I look at the idea of ignoring what the pentagon is telling them and saying "no! we're giving you this!" as pure absurdity, so I must answer it with pure absurdity.

Is there anything more absurd that comparing something full of phallus's to a woman?

Actually, that's kinda hot.

/godot

Weaver95: my company got a very nice tax break from the state government this year and you know what? we're laying off another 500 people and moving more jobs overseas.

If the state had a clue they'd go "You're doing what? Ok, pay back the tax break plus 50%".

So, this thread is kind of fun.

Challenge: make this thread so awesome King will want to turn it into a story.

Difficulty: make him want to give each poster significant story time, a'la Tommyknockers... even...ugh...the trolls...

winterwhile: Weaver95: I note that winterwhile is actually AGREEING with defense spending cuts.

that's interesting.

if we did not have Obama's war in Afgainstain

more would be avail

but then again, its a liberal war

must be ok

hahaha welcome to ignore :)

winterwhile: Weaver95: I note that winterwhile is actually AGREEING with defense spending cuts.

that's interesting.

if we did not have Obama's war in Afgainstain

more would be avail

but then again, its a liberal war

must be ok

Who's war in Afghanistan?

Oh, I forgot Obama's amazing Time Machine.

He got screamed at by the conservatives for pulling out of Iraq. I'm sure it would be no different if he pulled out if Afghanistan.

ordinarysteve: winterwhile: Weaver95: I note that winterwhile is actually AGREEING with defense spending cuts.

that's interesting.

if we did not have Obama's war in Afgainstain

more would be avail

but then again, its a liberal war

must be ok

hahaha welcome to ignore :)

It took you that long to ignore him? I think I paid attention for about a day.

winterwhile: Weaver95: I note that winterwhile is actually AGREEING with defense spending cuts.

that's interesting.

if we did not have Obama's war in Afgainstain

more would be avail

but then again, its a liberal war

must be ok

i was not aware

that President Obama

was President

in 2001

thank you for setting me

straig

ht.

KiplingKat872: winterwhile: Weaver95: I note that winterwhile is actually AGREEING with defense spending cuts.

that's interesting.

if we did not have Obama's war in Afgainstain

more would be avail

but then again, its a liberal war

must be ok

Who's war in Afghanistan?

Oh, I forgot Obama's amazing Time Machine.

He got screamed at by the conservatives for pulling out of Iraq. I'm sure it would be no different if he pulled out if Afghanistan.

I love how they are now using this talking point when we all remember how the states had zero involvement in Afganistan and it was turning into Vietnam 2: electric bugaloo. I also like how they mention that war of the 2. You know, the one war that was actually justified.

KiplingKat872: I'm sure it would be no different if he pulled out if Afghanistan.

Guess what he just announced about 40 minutes ago?

Ahh. My all time favourite hack writer says it like it is.

There's a very strange dream scene in Hearts in Atlantis where merchandise of all kinds is falling out of the sky onto a traffic-jammed turnpike.

People are getting struck down and killed by household goods and designer items all around the protagonist.

It's a peculiarly simple-minded and yet completely apt expression of the side effects of the American Dream.

And only Stephen King could so neatly pull off the descriptive phrase "snot-green crotch rocket" during the entire ugly freakshow of that scene without sliding off the bannister into NOW WAIT JUST A GOD DAMN MINUTE!! territory.

shamanwest: ordinarysteve: winterwhile: Weaver95: I note that winterwhile is actually AGREEING with defense spending cuts.

hahaha welcome to ignore :)

It took you that long to ignore him? I think I paid attention for about a day.

I enjoy trolls somewhat, I just like them to not be too retarded though

doglover: shamanwest: However, Dark Tower is not crap.

Most of the poison is released when King admits he's been all emo about getting hit by a van IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BOOK, totally disrupting the story.

But he's still a good author, and they're fun to read. But he really should go back and re-do the sixth and seventh books and take a certain character out and indeed any references to that character. Even just changing the name would improve them 100 fold.


Also, you seem to focus on Susan a little too much. The real star of the series is Oy. It's about his progress from a humble throcken eating bugs in the forest to his eventual evolution into the first gunslinger without guns. That whole Roland story arc is just to throw you off the scent.

DANG IT! I was hoping for a WiG flame war worthy of Fark and you have to go and mention Oy.

Oy... oh how I loved Oy so much.

/sniffles

WhyteRaven74: KiplingKat872: I'm sure it would be no different if he pulled out if Afghanistan.

Guess what he just announced about 40 minutes ago?

At home, no TV or internet beyond my mobile.

Seriously?

This is the first thing he's written that I've truly enjoyed.

Bonus is that he and his wife are pumping money into the local economy and helping out local interests. I truly admire him (and her) for that.

Now if he could only write less lame dialogue in his books.

winterwhile: bdub77: winterwhile: if you rally did the math

all you have to do it stop the spending increases

but then again, you did not do any math

Raining taxes put folks out of work... get it? Even Obama get's that.

You're full of it. I did the farking math. With spending increases only for inflation, 3% YTY GDP growth, 2% inflation, it would take 70 years to pay down the debt. At 4% YTY growth it would take 40 years. At 5% growth, under 30 years - but then no developed country in the world grows more than 3% a year for entire decades. Best case, 3% growth, it'll be 2080 before the debt is paid off, and that is in the BEST scenario and not including things that outpace inflation.

There is no proof raising taxes from current levels will result in job losses. Obama most definitely wants to let Bush's tax cuts expire in 2013, so obviously he disagrees. Please show me your proof that raising taxes on the rich will result in more job losses. You certainly have no idea where the sweet spot of taxes is, because you're a bad troll and trust me I outclass you on this.

so... Reagan got the same economy, Obama got, from Carter

by now he had us at 4% GDP going to 5% GDP growth

you really do need to do your Math again, it the spending we need to cut, not strangle the economy with taxes

reagan negotiated, with terrorists, but, you, think,,,, he is a hero.

coincidence that all
of the Iranian hos
tages were free

during his administration

reagan, claimed that terrorists were, like the founding fathers and gave them tax money and, illegal armz money.

winterwhile: by now he had us at 4% GDP going to 5% GDP growth

And his own economic adviser will gladly tell you how many times Reagan raised taxes.

KiplingKat872: Seriously?

23,000 troops being withdrawn by the end of summer and everyone out by the 2014 target date.