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2012-04-30 02:03:26 PM
Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly color. I'm so glad I'm a Beta.
 
2012-04-30 02:04:46 PM
HAHAHA This was blocked by our work filter and the reason it gave was "Conan O'Brien" I've never seen it that specific before.
 
2012-04-30 02:06:13 PM

solyhhit: I just assume Apple consumers aren't very tech savvy. I mean why else would you stand in line to touch a laptop. OMG a laptop, these things do email!! Wow, SHINY!!!

I've consistenently found Apple users to be the least intelligent when it comes to computer savvy. That being said, I also know that most television/music companies will use them because of their strength with multimedia.


O RLY?

My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I'm a developer. In my field, the split is about 75/15/10 between OS X/Linux/Windows. The last several conferences I have been to were noteworthy in this regard because seeing any machines which weren't Macs was anomalous. Ditto the NFJS conferences I went to in 2010 and 2009.

Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.
 
2012-04-30 02:07:45 PM
The MS Store just opened in Austin - in the grave of a Borders store.

It was packed. But it wasn't like I heard - the Star Wars Kinect on the giant screen was actually available to play - no line there.

1) They only sell a few Windows Phone 7, but they had a huge supply of Nokia 900s to try out.
2) None of their tablets are showing Windows 8...they should probably get on it.
3) They are trying to sell more Dr. Dre Beats stuff than HP or even Apple used to
4) Nice mix of laptops and tablets on display to try out, in addition to the whole XBox corner of the store.
 
2012-04-30 02:12:31 PM

CygnusDarius: Where's the raging 12 year-olds playing Call of Duty?.


In the stores basement being watched by their mothers.
 
2012-04-30 02:13:27 PM

Erik_Emune: MacWizard: Ed Willy: That said, with Steve Jobs dead I think people will begin to realize that Apple provides nothing more then what well made Microsoft computers offer.

There's no such thing as a "well made Microsoft computer." Microsoft doesn't make computers.

Come on - you know what he meant. No need to embrace the stereotype implied in your username.


No, actually, Wizard's point is spot on. I hate people comparing apple to microsoft. It may have been relevant 20 years ago.... MAY have been relevant, but even then, its like comparing BMWs to transportation.
 
2012-04-30 02:16:13 PM

OceanVortex:
Exactly... I was trying to think of a good Windows ME joke but it had been so long... my brain apparently only goes back to 2003 humor.


www.nekomancer.com

/I was going to make a ME joke...
//But I blue screened.
 
2012-04-30 02:16:42 PM

swaxhog: How about the retard dancing every time there's an actual sale in the store.

[images.inquisitr.com image 446x284]


Jesus christ. MS has collectively lost their goddamn minds. I wish they would realize that they will never beat Apple on their own turf. Stop trying to be edgy, hip, cool, zany, or wtf ever. I don't want edgy and hip when I go to a MS store. I want a stolid man in a 3 piece suit with hardly any social skills selling me enterprise-level solutions, IDEs, or maybe telling me how to SLI two video cards to drastically improve my frame rate. The only guy/gal that should even approach coolness in the store would be in the Xbox section and probably be more similar to the comic book guy in the Simpsons than anyone within a half a mile of an Apple store.
 
2012-04-30 02:23:06 PM

illegal.tender: solyhhit: I just assume Apple consumers aren't very tech savvy. I mean why else would you stand in line to touch a laptop. OMG a laptop, these things do email!! Wow, SHINY!!!

I've consistenently found Apple users to be the least intelligent when it comes to computer savvy. That being said, I also know that most television/music companies will use them because of their strength with multimedia.

O RLY?

My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I'm a developer. In my field, the split is about 75/15/10 between OS X/Linux/Windows. The last several conferences I have been to were noteworthy in this regard because seeing any machines which weren't Macs was anomalous. Ditto the NFJS conferences I went to in 2010 and 2009.

Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.


Wait, so you're saying that people who go to Java conferences tend to do their development work on a Mac?
 
2012-04-30 02:23:38 PM

TheOriginalEd: The MacBook Pro I use at work crashed the other day. what do I win?


I've had my MacBook Pro for about 5 years now.

I've gotten the Gray Screen of Death once. Once.
 
2012-04-30 02:34:53 PM

meanmutton: illegal.tender: solyhhit: I just assume Apple consumers aren't very tech savvy. I mean why else would you stand in line to touch a laptop. OMG a laptop, these things do email!! Wow, SHINY!!!

I've consistenently found Apple users to be the least intelligent when it comes to computer savvy. That being said, I also know that most television/music companies will use them because of their strength with multimedia.

O RLY?

My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I'm a developer. In my field, the split is about 75/15/10 between OS X/Linux/Windows. The last several conferences I have been to were noteworthy in this regard because seeing any machines which weren't Macs was anomalous. Ditto the NFJS conferences I went to in 2010 and 2009.

Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.

Wait, so you're saying that people who go to Java conferences tend to do their development work on a Mac?


I was thinking more along the lines of an HTML 'Developer'
 
2012-04-30 02:38:25 PM

Needlessly Complicated: TheOriginalEd: The MacBook Pro I use at work crashed the other day. what do I win?

I've had my MacBook Pro for about 5 years now.

I've gotten the Gray Screen of Death once. Once.


Funny, I've been using Windows for more than 20 and never had a blue screen once.

Anecdote != data.
 
2012-04-30 02:42:23 PM
Team Coco? Shouldn't this be in the Entertainment tab?

/reads article

Never-mind.
 
2012-04-30 02:49:26 PM

Joe Peanut: Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly color. I'm so glad I'm a Beta.


In the absence of an Internet on hand to award you, I hereby grant you a 12th Grade English Lit, for using a dystopic reference that isn't Fahrenheit 451 or 1984.
/Brave New World was freakier than 1984 anyway
 
2012-04-30 02:52:05 PM

Citation Needed: TheOriginalEd: The MacBook Pro I use at work crashed the other day. what do I win?

HERETIC! Macs never crash! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!


LOL. They crash all the time on the shows. Then again, any machine would choke up when you have a 300 slide show that has embedded DVD quality (or better) videos.

But seriously, I have seen LOTS more Mac crashes ever since they went to Intel.

www.myconfinedspace.com
 
2012-04-30 02:52:50 PM

illegal.tender: WienerButt: Scooty_Puff_Sr: swaxhog: How about the retard dancing every time there's an actual sale in the store.

[images.inquisitr.com image 446x284]

Please tell me you are making that up.

Yeah, really. Is that true ?? Come to think of it, I've never seen an actual sale take place.

MS Store Employees Dance

Yeah... Unfortunately it's true.


So that dance went on for almost 5 minutes? Do they not sell anything for that 5 minutes or do they sell so little that when the do make a sale they have 5 farking minutes to dance about it? I've been to an Apple store a few times and they're selling so much shiat and have so many people in there that there's not enough time left in the world to dance for every sale.
 
2012-04-30 02:57:55 PM

Erik_Emune: Having recently added about 600 Apple wireless devices to a corporate network, I would like to find and beat senseless whoever came up with "It just works". Then burn down his house, Then sow the ground with salt.

No. It doesn't "just work".

Android tablets? They just work. Every conceivable non-Apple smartphone on the planet? Just works.

iPhones and Ipads? They spit, they scratch, they run away and explode, they do everything but connect in a secure manner according to the standards the rest of the world have agreed on.


So true. I set up a cupcake chain and at first they were demanding iPads to put in orders and to use as a photo album for clients. They refused to talk to the PoS server for order processing. Then they started to complain about lack of actual keyboard. I took all the iPads gleefully back to BestBuy, and picked up a bunch of decent NetBooks and the staff was thrilled. And the client was happy because I saved them a few thousand dollars.

encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-04-30 03:00:46 PM

H31N0US: Ed Willy: Apple did keep quality good on its machines

Had to return my wife's first MacBook Air within a week. Second one is still ok so far, but it will be the last Mac I buy. It is just not that "Different", except for the price.


Computer components seem to either break/fry in the first couple of weeks, or last for years - nothing in between unless it gets hit with a power surge or something. Applies to Apple products as well as every other manufacturer.

/my experience, YMMV
 
2012-04-30 03:05:00 PM

Citation Needed: TheOriginalEd: The MacBook Pro I use at work crashed the other day. what do I win?

HERETIC! Macs never crash! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!


And yet, I see PC tech help wanted ads that say you need Mac experience. How can you need Mac experience, they never break?
 
2012-04-30 03:06:40 PM
I've got an iPhone, an iPad, a Mac mini, an Apple TV, several iPods and I'm driving around with an Apple sticker in my rear window, but TFA was the stupidest bit of Microsoft bashing by an Apple fanboi I've read since it would have been original and relevant some time in the early '90s.

People did camp the fark out for the release of Windows 95.
Microsoft gives you a free antivirus and anti-malware solution that's pretty damn good.
The only computer I've had shut down randomly in recent years was my older Mac mini.
I've got kickass deals on Windows 7 and Office directly from Microsoft, both in full, pro versions for $50 each. Never had to send in a mail in rebate.

That article was bad, subby, and you should feel bad.
 
2012-04-30 03:07:57 PM

ghare: Citation Needed: TheOriginalEd: The MacBook Pro I use at work crashed the other day. what do I win?

HERETIC! Macs never crash! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!

And yet, I see PC tech help wanted ads that say you need Mac experience. How can you need Mac experience, they never break?


Upgrading them can be a bit of a biatch. And nobody says Macs don't break. They're using the same components everybody else does.
 
2012-04-30 03:09:04 PM
iCult (tm) members suck at comedy as much as they do with technology with more than one button.
 
2012-04-30 03:12:24 PM
This article is full of dickish writing from some smug asshole. Ironically, my iPhone's Safari browser crashed to the dashboard while reading that site. Hate this farking phone.
 
2012-04-30 03:12:53 PM

illegal.tender: O RLY?

My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I'm a developer. In my field, the split is about 75/15/10 between OS X/Linux/Windows. The last several conferences I have been to were noteworthy in this regard because seeing any machines which weren't Macs was anomalous. Ditto the NFJS conferences I went to in 2010 and 2009.

Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.


You know how I know you are talking out of your ass? Most real development gets done on Windows or Linux/UNIX* machines. HTML and Java are not real development, but even that I would imagine mostly gets done on Linux/UNIX or Windows moreso than Mac. You know why? Anyone with half a brain for computers can run Windows just fine, or install Linux, for 1/3 the price of a Mac (and the Windows/*nix has a lot less hassle to do stuff freely). No real developer uses Macs predominantly, unless there is a specific need that only the Mac can provide.

*I know, OS X is a flavor of Linux, but we are talking machines here so don't get semantic on me.
 
2012-04-30 03:14:01 PM

illegal.tender: My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I'm a developer. In my field, the split is about 75/15/10 between OS X/Linux/Windows. The last several conferences I have been to were noteworthy in this regard because seeing any machines which weren't Macs was anomalous. Ditto the NFJS conferences I went to in 2010 and 2009.


I've been an IT Consultant/Developer for 10 years. I could count the amount of Macs used on one hand.

/Just for the record, the number is 1
//And he was a subcontractor I hired
 
2012-04-30 03:19:07 PM

rooftop235: LOL. They crash all the time on the shows. Then again, any machine would choke up when you have a 300 slide show that has embedded DVD quality (or better) videos.

But seriously, I have seen LOTS more Mac crashes ever since they went to Intel.



1) I've seen people have more trouble with their Macs while setting up and doing their presentations than with Windows laptops.

2) I've dealt with presentations that while not 300 sides (that's just terrible if you've seen someone do such a thing to an audience), but I've prepared such presentations for displaying information on televisions during breaks in meetings (during the get-together, the lunches, etc.) to play n the background, which was very intensive and contained several videos. Worked flawlessly, and that was a few years ago, so running off computers that were very slow and limited compared to today's multi-cores machines.

solyhhit: I just assume Apple consumers aren't very tech savvy. I mean why else would you stand in line to touch a laptop. OMG a laptop, these things do email!! Wow, SHINY!!!

I've consistenently found Apple users to be the least intelligent when it comes to computer savvy. That being said, I also know that most television/music companies will use them because of their strength with multimedia.


Most Apple users I know are far from tech savvy.

The graphic designers and print shops that I've dealt with were all on Windows machines, and many used to be on Apple machines but all switched over as hey didn't see the point... overpriced, lack of compatibility with hardware and software.

As far as video and multimedia goes, I do all my video and graphic work on Windows machines and have ran miles around some that were using Apple hardware. Heck, I just about always en up fixing stuff that others have done on their Apple.

Sure it's anecdote , but it's a constant in what I deal with on a daily basis.
 
2012-04-30 03:23:03 PM

illegal.tender: Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.


Seconded. I own an IT support services company, so fair to say that we're the geekiest of the geeks. Our wheelhouse is supporting windows networks, but nobody in my company uses anything but Macs as their daily drivers (while occasionally dipping into the onboard linux and windows VMs for testing). Why? Because the last computers we can afford to go down are our own. It's not the right answer for every business- Apple doesn't scale particularly well on the backend beyond small business- but any business
Just last week, I took 3 5-6 year old macbooks with a variety of issues (busted display, dead mobo from spilled wine, no audio because of broken jack), reassembled them into two working units, and installed Lion. They both run flawlessly. They're back out in the field with new users, who are sacrificing nothing. Not a hope in hell that you take a 6 year old notebook that shipped with XP in 2006 and run Windows 7. The math on cheap hardware is a false economy once you look at the TCO.

My personal macbook is with me at all times, and suffers no end of abuse. It's dented and bent from the manhandling I give it. Like every one of it's predecessors, it just keeps ticking.

For personal use, there really isn't even a choice IMO. But by all means, keep supporting Microsoft. You're putting my kids through college.
 
2012-04-30 03:34:57 PM

MadSkillz: This article is full of dickish writing from some smug asshole. Ironically, my iPhone's Safari browser crashed to the dashboard while reading that site. Hate this farking phone.


I had an iPhone 3GS. It was pretty sweet. I switched to a Galaxy SII on my last re-up and could never imagine going back to a smartphone that didn't have swype, widgets, and some of the system management tools that I have on my Galaxy.
 
2012-04-30 03:37:16 PM

unyon: illegal.tender: Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.

Seconded. I own an IT support services company, so fair to say that we're the geekiest of the geeks. Our wheelhouse is supporting windows networks, but nobody in my company uses anything but Macs as their daily drivers (while occasionally dipping into the onboard linux and windows VMs for testing). Why? Because the last computers we can afford to go down are our own. It's not the right answer for every business- Apple doesn't scale particularly well on the backend beyond small business- but any business
Just last week, I took 3 5-6 year old macbooks with a variety of issues (busted display, dead mobo from spilled wine, no audio because of broken jack), reassembled them into two working units, and installed Lion. They both run flawlessly. They're back out in the field with new users, who are sacrificing nothing. Not a hope in hell that you take a 6 year old notebook that shipped with XP in 2006 and run Windows 7. The math on cheap hardware is a false economy once you look at the TCO.

My personal macbook is with me at all times, and suffers no end of abuse. It's dented and bent from the manhandling I give it. Like every one of it's predecessors, it just keeps ticking.

For personal use, there really isn't even a choice IMO. But by all means, keep supporting Microsoft. You're putting my kids through college.


And we're an IT support / development house that uses nothing but HP Elitebooks. What was that about anecdote versus data?

And, yes, we support macs and yes they go down, too.
 
2012-04-30 03:40:51 PM

Kar98: ghare: Citation Needed: TheOriginalEd: The MacBook Pro I use at work crashed the other day. what do I win?

HERETIC! Macs never crash! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!

And yet, I see PC tech help wanted ads that say you need Mac experience. How can you need Mac experience, they never break?

Upgrading them can be a bit of a biatch. And nobody says Macs don't break. They're using the same components everybody else does.


The only people who say Macs don't crash are the ones who say it sarcastically.
 
2012-04-30 03:47:51 PM

unyon: illegal.tender: Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.

Seconded. I own an IT support services company, so fair to say that we're the geekiest of the geeks. Our wheelhouse is supporting windows networks, but nobody in my company uses anything but Macs as their daily drivers (while occasionally dipping into the onboard linux and windows VMs for testing). Why? Because the last computers we can afford to go down are our own. It's not the right answer for every business- Apple doesn't scale particularly well on the backend beyond small business- but any business
Just last week, I took 3 5-6 year old macbooks with a variety of issues (busted display, dead mobo from spilled wine, no audio because of broken jack), reassembled them into two working units, and installed Lion. They both run flawlessly. They're back out in the field with new users, who are sacrificing nothing. Not a hope in hell that you take a 6 year old notebook that shipped with XP in 2006 and run Windows 7. The math on cheap hardware is a false economy once you look at the TCO.

My personal macbook is with me at all times, and suffers no end of abuse. It's dented and bent from the manhandling I give it. Like every one of it's predecessors, it just keeps ticking.

For personal use, there really isn't even a choice IMO. But by all means, keep supporting Microsoft. You're putting my kids through college.


Huh? I'm not a tech guy or anything but I just installed win 7 on my friends old laptop and it works fine. I've also done it on old desktops that ran xp as well.
 
2012-04-30 03:51:50 PM

Meethos: Sweet! Jokes from the 90s!


And we're done.

A clueless writer (and, apparently, a managing editor) that's been part of the site for just over three months writes an unfunny bit attempting to skewer Microsoft using jokes that weren't all that funny when they were first written two decades ago? Really, Coco?

I was curious as to what kind of chucklehead recycles 20-year-old jokes - here's what I believe to be the author's Facebook page, and so I figured he's just doing penance for subjecting the rest of us to that friggin' mustache.
 
2012-04-30 03:56:20 PM

Tellingthem: unyon: illegal.tender: Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.

Seconded. I own an IT support services company, so fair to say that we're the geekiest of the geeks. Our wheelhouse is supporting windows networks, but nobody in my company uses anything but Macs as their daily drivers (while occasionally dipping into the onboard linux and windows VMs for testing). Why? Because the last computers we can afford to go down are our own. It's not the right answer for every business- Apple doesn't scale particularly well on the backend beyond small business- but any business
Just last week, I took 3 5-6 year old macbooks with a variety of issues (busted display, dead mobo from spilled wine, no audio because of broken jack), reassembled them into two working units, and installed Lion. They both run flawlessly. They're back out in the field with new users, who are sacrificing nothing. Not a hope in hell that you take a 6 year old notebook that shipped with XP in 2006 and run Windows 7. The math on cheap hardware is a false economy once you look at the TCO.

My personal macbook is with me at all times, and suffers no end of abuse. It's dented and bent from the manhandling I give it. Like every one of it's predecessors, it just keeps ticking.

For personal use, there really isn't even a choice IMO. But by all means, keep supporting Microsoft. You're putting my kids through college.

Huh? I'm not a tech guy or anything but I just installed win 7 on my friends old laptop and it works fine. I've also done it on old desktops that ran xp as well.


Yep - I've a Toshiba Satellite widescreen laptop I bought in 2005, and it works fine (a bit slow, mind you) with Windows 7 - the DVD drive is giving me fits, but that's because Toshiba hasn't provided updated drivers for it yet, not because Windows 7 somehow has a problem running on the laptop.
 
2012-04-30 03:56:25 PM

solyhhit: illegal.tender: My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I'm a developer. In my field, the split is about 75/15/10 between OS X/Linux/Windows. The last several conferences I have been to were noteworthy in this regard because seeing any machines which weren't Macs was anomalous. Ditto the NFJS conferences I went to in 2010 and 2009.

I've been an IT Consultant/Developer for 10 years. I could count the amount of Macs used on one hand.

/Just for the record, the number is 1
//And he was a subcontractor I hired


I was surprised by the number of Macs present at a recent erlang conference.

/still prefer linux mint with cinnamon
 
2012-04-30 03:56:32 PM

unyon: illegal.tender: Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.

Seconded. I own an IT support services company, so fair to say that we're the geekiest of the geeks. Our wheelhouse is supporting windows networks, but nobody in my company uses anything but Macs as their daily drivers (while occasionally dipping into the onboard linux and windows VMs for testing). Why? Because the last computers we can afford to go down are our own. It's not the right answer for every business- Apple doesn't scale particularly well on the backend beyond small business- but any business
Just last week, I took 3 5-6 year old macbooks with a variety of issues (busted display, dead mobo from spilled wine, no audio because of broken jack), reassembled them into two working units, and installed Lion. They both run flawlessly. They're back out in the field with new users, who are sacrificing nothing. Not a hope in hell that you take a 6 year old notebook that shipped with XP in 2006 and run Windows 7. The math on cheap hardware is a false economy once you look at the TCO.

My personal macbook is with me at all times, and suffers no end of abuse. It's dented and bent from the manhandling I give it. Like every one of it's predecessors, it just keeps ticking.

For personal use, there really isn't even a choice IMO. But by all means, keep supporting Microsoft. You're putting my kids through college.


I am guessing you aren't a very good IT services company if you think Macs are the most stable computer. Anyone that knows anything about computers can run Windows on a PC just fine without issues. Or, if you are really paranoid, just install Linux. Macs crash just as frequently as PCs.
 
2012-04-30 04:02:35 PM

syberpud:
Computer components seem to either break/fry in the first couple of weeks, or last for years - nothing in between unless it gets hit with a power surge or something. Applies to Apple products as well as every other manufacturer.

/my experience, YMMV


It's a theory backed up by a report Google made, at least as far as HDD's goes. Not that much of a stretch to expand it out to the other bits inside a machine.
 
2012-04-30 04:23:26 PM

syberpud: Computer components seem to either break/fry in the first couple of weeks, or last for years


Yeah it's called the Bathtub Curve and it applies to just about everything.
 
2012-04-30 04:32:39 PM
And why is Conan O' Brian still making money in entertainment? Dude is about as funny as q cash flow forecast.
 
2012-04-30 04:45:11 PM
I'd rather face any Windows error than this li'l farker:

www.csse.monash.edu.au

At least with Windows you can figure out what's wrong.
 
2012-04-30 04:56:47 PM

machoprogrammer: illegal.tender: O RLY?

My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I'm a developer. In my field, the split is about 75/15/10 between OS X/Linux/Windows. The last several conferences I have been to were noteworthy in this regard because seeing any machines which weren't Macs was anomalous. Ditto the NFJS conferences I went to in 2010 and 2009.

Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.

You know how I know you are talking out of your ass? Most real development gets done on Windows or Linux/UNIX* machines. HTML and Java are not real development, but even that I would imagine mostly gets done on Linux/UNIX or Windows moreso than Mac. You know why? Anyone with half a brain for computers can run Windows just fine, or install Linux, for 1/3 the price of a Mac (and the Windows/*nix has a lot less hassle to do stuff freely). No real developer uses Macs predominantly, unless there is a specific need that only the Mac can provide.

*I know, OS X is a flavor of Linux, but we are talking machines here so don't get semantic on me.


Ah yes the no true developer fallacy!

/Mac is unix with style
 
2012-04-30 05:17:13 PM

mccallcl: machoprogrammer: illegal.tender: O RLY?

My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I'm a developer. In my field, the split is about 75/15/10 between OS X/Linux/Windows. The last several conferences I have been to were noteworthy in this regard because seeing any machines which weren't Macs was anomalous. Ditto the NFJS conferences I went to in 2010 and 2009.

Both the general and specialized developer populations have predominately switched to Macs. These are not tech-unsavvy people.

You know how I know you are talking out of your ass? Most real development gets done on Windows or Linux/UNIX* machines. HTML and Java are not real development, but even that I would imagine mostly gets done on Linux/UNIX or Windows moreso than Mac. You know why? Anyone with half a brain for computers can run Windows just fine, or install Linux, for 1/3 the price of a Mac (and the Windows/*nix has a lot less hassle to do stuff freely). No real developer uses Macs predominantly, unless there is a specific need that only the Mac can provide.

*I know, OS X is a flavor of Linux, but we are talking machines here so don't get semantic on me.

Ah yes the no true developer fallacy!

/Mac is unix with style


I'm giggling at the "OS X is a flavor of Linux" line.
 
2012-04-30 05:27:58 PM
ah, the shoes on the other foot I see.
 
2012-04-30 05:54:55 PM

Tellingthem: Huh? I'm not a tech guy or anything but I just installed win 7 on my friends old laptop and it works fine. I've also done it on old desktops that ran xp as well.


In 2006, 2GB wasn't standard on a notebook, nor necessarily was 64 bit compliance. The spec on Win 7 requires both. If the computer really is of this vintage, it would barely install, let alone run.

machoprogrammer: I am guessing you aren't a very good IT services company if you think Macs are the most stable computer. Anyone that knows anything about computers can run Windows on a PC just fine without issues. Or, if you are really paranoid, just install Linux. Macs crash just as frequently as PCs.


Believe what you want. Like I said, attitudes like yours are putting my kids through college. We're exceptionally good at what we do, or at least that's what our clients tell us.

Without getting a kick out of this reply, I got my first computer at 10 in 1978, an apple ][ clone that I built myself. This is back in the day when that required actually installing individual chips. In the last 35 years, the number of computers I've owned is easily into high 2 digits. The number of systems I've put in the field, desktops, notebooks, servers, thin clients, you name it- is easily into 5 digits. I see what comes back and what doesn't. What fails and what doesn't. If you have empirical evidence to disprove what I see with my own eyes, then lets see it.

I'm not saying that W7 is a bad OS- on the contrary, it's probably MSes finest. But the reality is that open systems are a cocktail of components. Like it or not, that leads to unintended consequences. Apple's tradeoff is inflexibility- there isn't a broad range of models, so for specific use they're not always a good fit. This is common in engineering, development, GIS, and a host of other industries, mostly oil related, that comprise our client base.

MS has also always had to make concessions for backwards compatibility- this is a consequence of their own success and install base. It's both their greatest strength and greatest weakness.

Other than doing so to install an update two days ago, the last time my notebook was even rebooted was 43 days ago. And this is pretty common in my experience. I can count on one hand the number of times my Macbook has crashed in the last 2 years, and still have a middle finger left over for the amount of respect I have for your uneducated opinion on the subject.
 
2012-04-30 06:08:06 PM
 
2012-04-30 06:09:41 PM
That's... the most bizarre filter own I've ever been hit with.

=Smidge=
 
2012-04-30 06:12:41 PM

meanmutton: And we're an IT support / development house that uses nothing but HP Elitebooks. What was that about anecdote versus data?

And, yes, we support macs and yes they go down, too.


I'm not suggesting they don't fail. I've seen some Apples that were true lemons, especially in the mid 90s.

We're a certified shop for HP, Lenovo, and Toshiba. The Elitebooks I like, although we probably have more Thinkpads in the field. As far as hardware goes, there's not much to distinguish manufacturers, even Apple. I see more distinction between enterprise and commercial class products and their retail brethren than I do between manufacturers. In retail, it's mindboggling how many corners get cut in order to meet a specific price point. My argument may be anecdotal, but it has thousands of datapoints.

I hadn't hardly touched an Apple between about '92 and '05-'06 when they went to intel processors. I took a flyer on one then, because it gave me the latitude to run Windows where and if required to flange up with client networks and to run OS-specific tests. I have yet to be disappointed.
 
2012-04-30 06:13:41 PM

unyon: ..........I can count on one hand the number of times my Macbook has crashed in the last 2 years, and still have a middle finger left over for the amount of respect I have for your uneducated opinion on the subject.



What a lovely rebuttal!
Now THAT is an insult with STYLE! Well done sir. I award you 1 Internets.
 
2012-04-30 06:18:24 PM
➜ ~ uptime
17:16 up 42 days, 7:12, 3 users, load averages: 1.47 1.38 1.33

➜ ~ uname -a
Darwin Alyosha.local 11.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 11.3.0: Thu Jan 12 18:47:41 PST 2012; root:xnu-1699.24.23~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64


2008 MBP.

/suck it, haters
 
2012-04-30 06:18:55 PM

unyon: Tellingthem: Huh? I'm not a tech guy or anything but I just installed win 7 on my friends old laptop and it works fine. I've also done it on old desktops that ran xp as well.

In 2006, 2GB wasn't standard on a notebook, nor necessarily was 64 bit compliance. The spec on Win 7 requires both. If the computer really is of this vintage, it would barely install, let alone run.



Windows 7 only needs 1GB of RAM for the 32-bit version. No need to be 64-bit compliant. A laptop or PC from 2006 would easily run Windows 7. If you can't even get something as easy as that correct, I wouldn't trust you to know anything about computers.

Source
 
2012-04-30 06:26:53 PM

GruntledWorker: The first MS retail store opened more than 2 years ago. Why bring this up now?


Because they're just now gearing up a huge push of them. Before, there were a few test stores; now they're becoming a nationwide chain.
 
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