JackieRabbit: jst3p: If she is getting arrested for hitting him with an inflatable hammer then he should also be arrested for "moving her out of the way" in a manner to cause damage to drywall.

If you see this as sexism, you have achieved "Patrick Star" level stupidity.

What level of stupidity does it take to assume that he broke the drywall with her body?

He said he, "grabbed her and moved her aside," breaking the drywall in the process,

Seems pretty obvious to me.

jst3p: RoyBatty: According to the article alone, domestic violence counselors should be praising the man's actions, which was to leave and get out without any sort of attack on the woman. (If I remember what I read in the article when it was greened correctly)

You should try actually reading the article before commenting.

You might try offering constructive comments. I know this is FARK, but it's not a rule that you have to be a jackass, it's more of a guideline.

What is in the article that indicates there was an attack on the woman?

RoyBatty: jst3p: RoyBatty: According to the article alone, domestic violence counselors should be praising the man's actions, which was to leave and get out without any sort of attack on the woman. (If I remember what I read in the article when it was greened correctly)

You should try actually reading the article before commenting.

You might try offering constructive comments. I know this is FARK, but it's not a rule that you have to be a jackass, it's more of a guideline.

What is in the article that indicates there was an attack on the woman?


He said he, "grabbed her and moved her aside," breaking the drywall in the process,

RoyBatty: Bathia_Mapes: In this case the woman was arrested on domestic violence charges too.

Right, but going by the information presented in the article, it should not have been "too". It should have been the woman was arrested, the man was offered counseling for domestic violence victims.

FWIW, and yes, I know it's in the Washington Times, House Republicans are going to offer a : Republican VAWA alternative

I don't know much about it to know if it's a substantive alternative sans the obnoxious discrimination of VAWA or if it's a typical Republican smoke screen. It seems to have been written/sponsored by 11 women Republicans.

The name of VAWA is discriminatory. The Republican "How 'bout No" alternative act seems a great deal more discriminative in actual content.

not impressed:

Pray 4 Mojo: A man's step by step guide on how to survive domestic abuse:

1. Drop to the floor in a fetal position.
2. Cover head with one arm.
3. Cover balls with the other.
4. Let her kick and wail away until she wears herself out.
5. Get up when it's safe.
6. Load your motorcycle, tools, clothes and personal affects into your truck/trailer.
7. Leave.
8. Do not respond to the upcoming "I'm sorry" and "I miss you" calls, texts and emails.
9. Do not ever tell anybody that your 105 pound wife/gf beat the crap out of you.

That's how I did it anyway... seems to have worked. Your results may vary.

You broke a rule.

/but good for you for getting away then doing what most idiots would do.
//Assult can happen to anyone, by anyone.
///Men are raised (For the most part) not to hit women. Some women see that and take advantage (and will use weapons more often as well)

Pray 4 Mojo: 1. Drop to the floor in a fetal position.
2. Cover head with one arm.
3. Cover balls with the other.
4. Let her kick and wail away until she wears herself out.
5. Get up when it's safe.
6. Load your motorcycle, tools, clothes and personal affects into your truck/trailer.
7. Leave.
8. Do not respond to the upcoming "I'm sorry" and "I miss you" calls, texts and emails.
9. Do not ever tell anybody that your 105 pound wife/gf beat the crap out of you.

That's how I did it anyway... seems to have worked. Your results may vary.

I might add changing your phone, email and facebook as well. And she didn't beat the crap out of you, you managed to avoid jail.

Unoriginal_Username: You broke a rule.

Not really. Not like any of you know who I am.

Unoriginal_Username: Pray 4 Mojo: A man's step by step guide on how to survive domestic abuse:

1. Drop to the floor in a fetal position.
2. Cover head with one arm.
3. Cover balls with the other.
4. Let her kick and wail away until she wears herself out.
5. Get up when it's safe.
6. Load your motorcycle, tools, clothes and personal affects into your truck/trailer.
7. Leave.
8. Do not respond to the upcoming "I'm sorry" and "I miss you" calls, texts and emails.
9. Do not ever tell anybody that your 105 pound wife/gf beat the crap out of you.

That's how I did it anyway... seems to have worked. Your results may vary.

You broke a rule.

/but good for you for getting away, then instead of doing what most idiots would do.
//Assult can happen to anyone, by anyone.
///Men are raised (For the most part) not to hit women. Some women see that and take advantage (and will use weapons more often as well)

wow I fail today

FirstNationalBastard: Pray 4 Mojo: A man's step by step guide on how to survive domestic abuse:

1. Drop to the floor in a fetal position.
2. Cover head with one arm.
3. Cover balls with the other.
4. Let her kick and wail away until she wears herself out.
5. Get up when it's safe.
6. Load your motorcycle, tools, clothes and personal affects into your truck/trailer.
7. Leave.
8. Do not respond to the upcoming "I'm sorry" and "I miss you" calls, texts and emails.
9. Do not ever tell anybody that your 105 pound wife/gf beat the crap out of you.

That's how I did it anyway... seems to have worked. Your results may vary.

Step 10: feel lucky she didn't get you arrested for abuse because she hurt her hands while wailing on you.

True story...

That's actually how a couple of the guys in my anger management/domestic abuse class ended up there.

/system's busted

Unoriginal_Username: Unoriginal_Username: Pray 4 Mojo: A man's step by step guide on how to survive domestic abuse:

1. Drop to the floor in a fetal position.
2. Cover head with one arm.
3. Cover balls with the other.
4. Let her kick and wail away until she wears herself out.
5. Get up when it's safe.
6. Load your motorcycle, tools, clothes and personal affects into your truck/trailer.
7. Leave.
8. Do not respond to the upcoming "I'm sorry" and "I miss you" calls, texts and emails.
9. Do not ever tell anybody that your 105 pound wife/gf beat the crap out of you.

That's how I did it anyway... seems to have worked. Your results may vary.

You broke a rule.

/but good for you for getting away, then instead of doing what most idiots would do.
//Assult can happen to anyone, by anyone.
///Men are raised (For the most part) not to hit women. Some women see that and take advantage (and will use weapons more often as well)

wow I fail today

Holy fk I need a drink...

/honest..I haven't had any yet

Good on you, Mojo.

Oh, and if she ever grabs anything glass or whatever, don't be anywhere near her when she swings. Buddy of mine took a beer bottle to the back of the from his ex, and when it shattered, a piece of it cut her cheek.

Police show up, he's on the ground bleeding, but the police only see the little nick on her cheek. Despite all our statements to the police about how he was just sitting at the bar when she wailed on him, they still take him in for a domestic.

/system's still broken

That's "back of the head" heh, work's gonna be fun at this point.

chaosweaver: Step 10: feel lucky she didn't get you arrested for abuse because she hurt her hands while wailing on you.

True story...

That's actually how a couple of the guys in my anger management/domestic abuse class ended up there.

/system's busted

From limited experience of seeing acquaintances go through this... whoever makes it to the phone to call 911 first doesn't go to jail. Former roommate grabbed the pool cue his GF was beating him with and wrenched her wrist in the process... 100 hours of anger management. Of course... it's tons of fun to tell him, "Go get your farking wheel!" whenever he gets slightly upset about something.

Spartapuss: Good on you, Mojo.

Thank you.

Pray 4 Mojo: chaosweaver: Step 10: feel lucky she didn't get you arrested for abuse because she hurt her hands while wailing on you.

True story...

That's actually how a couple of the guys in my anger management/domestic abuse class ended up there.

/system's busted

From limited experience of seeing acquaintances go through this... whoever makes it to the phone to call 911 first doesn't go to jail. Former roommate grabbed the pool cue his GF was beating him with and wrenched her wrist in the process... 100 hours of anger management. Of course... it's tons of fun to tell him, "Go get your farking wheel!" whenever he gets slightly upset about something.

the anger wheel... what a useless tool.

Unoriginal_Username: wow I fail today

Holy fk I need a drink...

/honest..I haven't had any yet


You can g'head and start. I give you permission. If there's a boss involved, tell him I said it was okay.

Then tell him to piss off 'cause you're busy farking.

chaosweaver: the anger wheel... what a useless tool.

About as useful as an inflatable hammer. Ha!

jst3p: e said he, "grabbed her and moved her aside," breaking the drywall in the process,

Moving someone aside so you can flee is not an attack.

Pray 4 Mojo: tell him I said it was okay.

Then tell him to piss off 'cause you're busy farking.

or her.

Sorry... sexism is rampant.

RoyBatty: jst3p: e said he, "grabbed her and moved her aside," breaking the drywall in the process,

Moving someone aside so you can flee is not an attack.

If you slam them into the wall and do property damage, it is.

chaosweaver: Pray 4 Mojo: chaosweaver: Step 10: feel lucky she didn't get you arrested for abuse because she hurt her hands while wailing on you.

True story...

That's actually how a couple of the guys in my anger management/domestic abuse class ended up there.

/system's busted

From limited experience of seeing acquaintances go through this... whoever makes it to the phone to call 911 first doesn't go to jail. Former roommate grabbed the pool cue his GF was beating him with and wrenched her wrist in the process... 100 hours of anger management. Of course... it's tons of fun to tell him, "Go get your farking wheel!" whenever he gets slightly upset about something.

the anger wheel... what a useless tool.

The anger what?

jst3p: RoyBatty: jst3p: e said he, "grabbed her and moved her aside," breaking the drywall in the process,

Moving someone aside so you can flee is not an attack.

If you slam them into the wall and do property damage, it is.

Well, I think you're assuming something that's not present.

I already said the breaking the drywall makes me wonder what actually happened, regardless, we don't know if her body hit the drywall, his body hit the drywall, or a bathroom implement hit the drywall.

Since it was in a bathroom, I will totally wild ass guess and say what happened is that one of them grabbed the towel bar and (accidentally) pulled it off the wall.

That's broken drywall.

And still not an attack.

What the report says is that the drywall was broken when he grabbed her and moved so he could flee.

I am not a lawyer, I do think it's an interesting question whether someone trying to flee and defend themselves from an assault could be charged with assault for grabbing the assailant and moving them.

I would say of course not, but I'm not a lawyer, who the hell knows what courts have determined on that.

jst3p: RoyBatty: jst3p: e said he, "grabbed her and moved her aside," breaking the drywall in the process,

Moving someone aside so you can flee is not an attack.

If you slam them into the wall and do property damage, it is.

Not claiming to know the situation or how roughly she was "moved" aside, but someone of her size could pretty easily break 1/2" drywall simply by leaning against the wall. Not like it's a structural component of the building.

I think any parent living in a hastily/cheaply built tract home with two or more boys could attest to how easily drywall breaks.

SweetSilverBlues: the anger wheel... what a useless tool.The anger what?



The Duluth model of domestic violence, an infographic that makes it easy to pin all domestic violence on the male, regardless of testimony, evidence, research, statistics.

SweetSilverBlues: chaosweaver: Pray 4 Mojo: chaosweaver: Step 10: feel lucky she didn't get you arrested for abuse because she hurt her hands while wailing on you.

True story...

That's actually how a couple of the guys in my anger management/domestic abuse class ended up there.

/system's busted

From limited experience of seeing acquaintances go through this... whoever makes it to the phone to call 911 first doesn't go to jail. Former roommate grabbed the pool cue his GF was beating him with and wrenched her wrist in the process... 100 hours of anger management. Of course... it's tons of fun to tell him, "Go get your farking wheel!" whenever he gets slightly upset about something.

the anger wheel... what a useless tool.

The anger what?

The anger wheel is this little paper wheel that some anger management courses give to all their 'volunteers' that has a number of emotions, siuations and such that help someone having trouble coping with their anger to find a 'proper way to express their feelings'. The main problem is, there are so many ways that it could fail to come up with an answer, or god forbid the guy doesn't have it with him. How will he cope if he depends highly on the wheel? Good beginner tool, but useless to a point.

Pray 4 Mojo: jst3p: RoyBatty: jst3p: e said he, "grabbed her and moved her aside," breaking the drywall in the process,

Moving someone aside so you can flee is not an attack.

If you slam them into the wall and do property damage, it is.

Not claiming to know the situation or how roughly she was "moved" aside, but someone of her size could pretty easily break 1/2" drywall simply by leaning against the wall. Not like it's a structural component of the building.

I think any parent living in a hastily/cheaply built tract home with two or more boys could attest to how easily drywall breaks.

If you put your hands on someone to move them and in the process drywall gets broken you are taking a ride in the back of a cop car in every state. It isn't a male/female thing.

I am not saying he hurt her, but if you admit to putting your hands on someone and there is property damage or physical damage to that person they are arresting you in this day and age.

RoyBatty: SweetSilverBlues: the anger wheel... what a useless tool.The anger what?



The Duluth model of domestic violence, an infographic that makes it easy to pin all domestic violence on the male, regardless of testimony, evidence, research, statistics.

That is the most emasculating, degrading "tool to help" I have ever seen. How awful for any man have to have counseling that no matter what he does it's his fault.

"Using male privilege"? Rly?

...I'll take three.

SweetSilverBlues: the anger wheel... what a useless tool.

The anger what?

My buddy has one that's set up like a foreign language verb conjugation wheel. You dial up the incident, the level of anger you feel, and some other variable... and the little window reveals the proper solution to calm the situation... "Take a deep breath", "Go for a walk"... "Call you counselor." etc... it's pretty funny.

Kinda like a Magic 8 Ball in paper form.

RoyBatty: SweetSilverBlues: the anger wheel... what a useless tool.The anger what?



The Duluth model of domestic violence, an infographic that makes it easy to pin all domestic violence on the male, regardless of testimony, evidence, research, statistics.

Hoo boy did I hate the class time spent on that lovely piece of art.

Made me feel like an abuser even though I went to the course to avoid becoming one.

RoyBatty: Since it was in a bathroom, I will totally wild ass guess and say what happened is that one of them grabbed the towel bar and (accidentally) pulled it off the wall.


You seem to want to do some significant mental gymnastics to support you point of view that he shouldn't have been arrested.

RoyBatty: [spiritual-side-of-domestic-violence.org image 499x511]

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Looks like "suggestion wheels" to me!

jst3p: I am not saying he hurt her, but if you admit to putting your hands on someone and there is property damage or physical damage to that person they are arresting you in this day and age.

Not arguing with you... not excusing it... not justifying it. Just saying that "damaging" 1/2" drywall is not hard to do. Agree with your assessment of "this day and age"... primarily because taking the man to jail is a low risk option for the cops (potential lawsuits etc). If they don't haul him off and he beats her or kills her or whatever a week later... the cops are farked. Taking the male to jail is essentially a CYA move.

IMO... they both deserved to go to jail for being morons... and ugly.

News: Woman assaults boyfriend with a hammer. Fark: Did we mention it was an inflatable hammer?

This is fark... Most farkers probably assumed the girlfriend was inflatable too.

Wow, a whole lotta angry male butthurt in this thread. Totally understandable. I mean, women have been in charge since the dawn of womankind. They've always had all the power and privilege. They make the laws that continue to oppress men.

Come to think of it, I honestly don't know why men walk around with their pants about to fall off. I mean, they're just asking for it. And if something happened, it's their fault because they have cocks. Women get away with rape and abuse all the time. Men have to hide in shelters and get restraining orders, which are a JOKE when a crazy woman is after them! Why don't more women speak out on behalf of these helpless men?!

It just sucks to be a man!

6/10?

Pray 4 Mojo: Not arguing with you... not excusing it... not justifying it.

I know, someone else is.

jst3p: RoyBatty: Since it was in a bathroom, I will totally wild ass guess and say what happened is that one of them grabbed the towel bar and (accidentally) pulled it off the wall.


You seem to want to do some significant mental gymnastics to support you point of view that he shouldn't have been arrested.

I am working with:

1) What is presented in the article
2) A willingness to give every participant a reasonable benefit of the doubt.

When I hear drywall was broken in a bathroom, my experience is that it means the towel bar was ripped from the wall again. Not because of violence per se' just due to shiatty construction and how towel bars are often mounted.

So when "moving" someone aside, it's natural they grabbed for the grab bar, the towel bar, and it ripped off the wall.

And as I said, and you didn't acknowledge, I fail to see how a victim of assault, when moving the assailant aside in self-defense to flee assault and disengage is then charged with assault himself.

If you reverse the sexes, and she shoved him aside so she could flee the bathroom from his punches, would you say she assaulted him?

So I don't think the article gives you any evidence, any justification, that he assaulted her when he moved her aside so he could flee.

jst3p: Looks like "suggestion wheels" to me!

I have no idea what you mean by this, but I apologize if I've taken you seriously because you appear close to trolling with this past comment.

RoyBatty: jst3p: Looks like "suggestion wheels" to me!

I have no idea what you mean by this, but I apologize if I've taken you seriously because you appear close to trolling with this past comment.

That one was a joke.

RoyBatty: I am working with:

1) What is presented in the article
2) A willingness to give every participant a reasonable benefit of the doubt.

When I hear drywall was broken in a bathroom, my experience is that it means the towel bar was ripped from the wall again. Not because of violence per se' just due to shiatty construction and how towel bars are often mounted.

So when "moving" someone aside, it's natural they grabbed for the grab bar, the towel bar, and it ripped off the wall.

And as I said, and you didn't acknowledge, I fail to see how a victim of assault, when moving the assailant aside in self-defense to flee assault and disengage is then charged with assault himself.

If you reverse the sexes, and she shoved him aside so she could flee the bathroom from his punches, would you say she assaulted him?

So I don't think the article gives you any evidence, any justification, that he assaulted her when he moved her aside so he could flee.

Your assumption is not supported by the statement "He said he, "grabbed her and moved her aside," breaking the drywall in the process,". It is possible this is how it happened but the simplest, thus most likely answer is the damage done to the drywall was done by her body because he was moving her. You aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt, you are coming up with an explanation that isn't refuted directly by the information given but also serves your preconceived notion that he shouldn't have been arrested.


If you reverse the sexes, and she shoved him aside so she could flee the bathroom from his punches, would you say she assaulted him?

Yes, I would.

Pray 4 Mojo: Unoriginal_Username: wow I fail today

Holy fk I need a drink...

/honest..I haven't had any yet


You can g'head and start. I give you permission. If there's a boss involved, tell him I said it was okay.

Then tell him to piss off 'cause you're busy farking.

Works for me.

/He sent me an email earlier, telling me there's a party celebrating my 60th day on the job so there is that.

//60 days, haven't pissed anyone off, or fked up anyones pc too bad good enough reason to celebrate

Unoriginal_Username: Pray 4 Mojo: Unoriginal_Username: wow I fail today

Holy fk I need a drink...

/honest..I haven't had any yet


You can g'head and start. I give you permission. If there's a boss involved, tell him I said it was okay.

Then tell him to piss off 'cause you're busy farking.

Works for me.

/He sent me an email earlier, telling me there's a party celebrating my 60th day on the job so there is that.

//60 days, haven't pissed anyone off, or fked up anyones pc too bad good enough reason to celebrate

This is the world we live in now... 60 days of consecutive employment is grounds for a party? That's awesome and sad all at the same time.

Congratulations... ?

jst3p: If you reverse the sexes, and she shoved him aside so she could flee the bathroom from his punches, would you say she assaulted him?Yes, I would.

Fair enough then.

Um, say.

Um, can you post a picture of yourself? I'm thinking of trapping you in my bathroom.

jst3p: Your assumption is not supported by the statement "He said he, "grabbed her and moved her aside," breaking the drywall in the process,". It is possible this is how it happened but the simplest, thus most likely answer is the damage done to the drywall was done by her body because he was moving her. You aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt, you are coming up with an explanation that isn't refuted directly by the information given but also serves your preconceived notion that he shouldn't have been arrested.

If you believe him when he says he was trying to escape her assault, then no, I don't believe your explanation that the drywall was broken by some impact to her body is the simplest.

I've been around enough drywall to be a bit surprised people think it breaks so easily.

On the other hand, I've certainly accidentally broken off my fair share of towel rods from drywall.

You aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt, you are coming up with an explanation that isn't refuted directly by the information given but also serves your preconceived notion that he shouldn't have been arrested.

I am going by the information from the story, none of which, by itself, without any other explanation suggests he assaulted her.

I disagree with you that victims of assault, acting in self-defense, commit an act of assault when pushing their assailant to flee the situation.

I have conceded it's possible our courts are so screwed up that prosecutors and lawyers would claim his actions during his flight were an assault.

Pray 4 Mojo: Unoriginal_Username: Pray 4 Mojo: Unoriginal_Username: wow I fail today

Holy fk I need a drink...

/honest..I haven't had any yet


You can g'head and start. I give you permission. If there's a boss involved, tell him I said it was okay.

Then tell him to piss off 'cause you're busy farking.

Works for me.

/He sent me an email earlier, telling me there's a party celebrating my 60th day on the job so there is that.

//60 days, haven't pissed anyone off, or fked up anyones pc too bad good enough reason to celebrate

This is the world we live in now... 60 days of consecutive employment is grounds for a party? That's awesome and sad all at the same time.

Congratulations... ?

lol, yeah it is pretty bad, but considering I was unemployed for 18 months previous, I can't complain.

chaosweaver: FirstNationalBastard: Pray 4 Mojo: A man's step by step guide on how to survive domestic abuse:

1. Drop to the floor in a fetal position.
2. Cover head with one arm.
3. Cover balls with the other.
4. Let her kick and wail away until she wears herself out.
5. Get up when it's safe.
6. Load your motorcycle, tools, clothes and personal affects into your truck/trailer.
7. Leave.
8. Do not respond to the upcoming "I'm sorry" and "I miss you" calls, texts and emails.
9. Do not ever tell anybody that your 105 pound wife/gf beat the crap out of you.

That's how I did it anyway... seems to have worked. Your results may vary.

Step 10: feel lucky she didn't get you arrested for abuse because she hurt her hands while wailing on you.

True story...

That's actually how a couple of the guys in my anger management/domestic abuse class ended up there.

/system's busted

Been there
Done that.

I'd like to add:
Don't ever donate to "Abused women's shelters"
Or volunteer for a "Take back the night" walk.

Either you support people's rights, or you are a sexist.

Screw people that talk about domestic abuse and immediately segue into "Men beat women! Penis = Evil!+"

It's like asking for a rational explaination about the foundations of Ratafarianism and getting hit on the head with a bong.