If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(CNN)   There was a second gunman in the RFK assassination, behind the refrigerator   (cnn.com) divider line 105
    More: Unlikely, Robert F. Kennedy, CNN, California Attorney General, RFK assassination, Sirhan  
•       •       •

10708 clicks; posted to Main » on 30 Apr 2012 at 2:49 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



105 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2012-04-30 11:42:58 AM
Had to be behind the refrigerator; the shot from the grassy knoll was blocked by the convection oven.
 
2012-04-30 11:50:41 AM
The Kennedys were loose cannons, a lot of established authority wanted them dead, from J Edgar Hoover, to the Mob, to the CIA, to the Miami Cubans.
 
2012-04-30 12:31:12 PM
I think you mean the ice machine.

rememberrobertkennedy.com
 
2012-04-30 12:39:39 PM
In the assassination recording you can hear Nixon going "Yes!"
www.rvv.com
 
2012-04-30 12:42:03 PM
Well, there were two Sirhans there.
 
2012-04-30 12:52:50 PM

Cagey B: Well, there were two Sirhans there.


The assassin so nice they named him twice!
 
2012-04-30 01:07:40 PM

BKITU: Cagey B: Well, there were two Sirhans there.

The assassin so nice they named him twice!


I dunno, I heard he's a total square.
 
2012-04-30 02:27:38 PM
She's the only one who heard the second shot? Did she consider that it might have been an echo?
 
2012-04-30 02:47:44 PM

timujin: She's the only one who heard the second shot? Did she consider that it might have been an echo?


In the full article, it says that sound techs that have examined the audio, have ruled it out. There is some question about the technique in determining there were more shots.

The problem is that if her eye witness testimony is correct, Robert Kennedy was facing the wrong way from Sirran to receive his wounds. It must be stated that eyewitness accounts are not always reliable.
 
2012-04-30 02:51:19 PM
It is the guy that shot the gazeebo with a grassy knoll.


i got nuthin'
 
2012-04-30 02:57:05 PM

timujin: She's the only one who heard the second shot? Did she consider that it might have been an echo?


Try reading TFA.
 
2012-04-30 02:58:59 PM

lilbjorn: timujin: She's the only one who heard the second shot? Did she consider that it might have been an echo?

Try reading TFA.


You so crazy.
 
2012-04-30 03:02:16 PM

Darth_Lukecash: timujin: She's the only one who heard the second shot? Did she consider that it might have been an echo?

In the full article, it says that sound techs that have examined the audio, have ruled it out. There is some question about the technique in determining there were more shots.


Meh, what do sounds techs know?

NorCalLos: lilbjorn: timujin: She's the only one who heard the second shot? Did she consider that it might have been an echo?

Try reading TFA.

You so crazy.


Yeah, this is Fark after all...
 
2012-04-30 03:02:42 PM
www.xojane.com
Approves
 
2012-04-30 03:02:56 PM
Was it Miss Susie?

/i am old
 
2012-04-30 03:03:04 PM

Generation_D: The Kennedys were loose cannons, a lot of established authority wanted them dead, from J Edgar Hoover, to the Mob, to the CIA, to the Miami Cubans.


I have it on good authority that the shooter in both cases was actually George W. Bush.
 
2012-04-30 03:03:41 PM
Joe, John, and Robert Kennedy committed suicide because they found out about their fathers sins of incise with Rosemary. She got a brain scraping. Ted missed on his two suicide attempts.
 
2012-04-30 03:04:51 PM

umad: Generation_D: The Kennedys were loose cannons, a lot of established authority wanted them dead, from J Edgar Hoover, to the Mob, to the CIA, to the Miami Cubans.

I have it on good authority that the shooter in both cases was actually George W. Bush.


Wasn't this during his drunk and drugged years? Wouldn't that have affected his aim?
 
2012-04-30 03:04:53 PM
Give Turner & Christian's "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy" a read if you want more details about what was pretty obviously a conspiracy. It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.
 
Oak
2012-04-30 03:07:20 PM
After all, it was you and me.
 
Ehh
2012-04-30 03:08:25 PM
There was nothing hinkley about either Kennedy assassination. To say otherwise would be a colosio lie.
 
2012-04-30 03:10:57 PM
Good luck with that kid.

tvmedia.ign.com

/Hot, like the tip of the cigarette.
 
2012-04-30 03:11:39 PM

Darth_Lukecash: timujin: She's the only one who heard the second shot? Did she consider that it might have been an echo?

In the full article, it says that sound techs that have examined the audio, have ruled it out. There is some question about the technique in determining there were more shots.

The problem is that if her eye witness testimony is correct, Robert Kennedy was facing the wrong way from Sirran to receive his wounds. It must be stated that eyewitness accounts are not always reliable.


She's not the only one who has said that his body position didn't match the official story. Also, multiple witnesses say Sirhan was not close enough to Kennedy to have fired a shot that left the powder burns on the body. However, there was an off duty cop assigned to guard Kennedy who was in a position to have fired the shot, had a gun of the right caliber and then disposed of said gun before it could be examined.
 
2012-04-30 03:13:29 PM
I'm so glad she's bringing this up right away...JUSTICE IS AT STAKE
40+ years later....

//**headfloor**
 
2012-04-30 03:13:51 PM
"This way, Senator."
 
2012-04-30 03:15:02 PM

Generation_D: The Kennedys were loose cannons, a lot of established authority wanted them dead, from J Edgar Hoover, to the Mob, to the CIA, to the Miami Cubans in the way of conservative profit.


That'll get ya killed or dealt with every time.
 
2012-04-30 03:15:35 PM
Who cares? There all dead & that's what counts.

/go f**k yourself.........
 
2012-04-30 03:16:14 PM
I've always thought he was accidentally hit by his security detail trying to shoot Sirhan, and that it was simply covered up by blaming Sirhan.
 
2012-04-30 03:16:25 PM
Every bullet in RFK was the right calibre and direction to have been from Sirhan, so if there was a second gunman he missed.
 
2012-04-30 03:16:32 PM
I am waiting to hear what the conspiracy theorists have to say about this, so I'll know what to believe!
 
2012-04-30 03:16:59 PM

Darth_Lukecash: timujin: She's the only one who heard the second shot? Did she consider that it might have been an echo?

In the full article, it says that sound techs that have examined the audio, have ruled it out. There is some question about the technique in determining there were more shots.

The problem is that if her eye witness testimony is correct, Robert Kennedy was facing the wrong way from Sirran to receive his wounds. It must be stated that eyewitness accounts are not always reliable.


Yeah, this hardly earns the "Unlikely" tag. The OFFICIAL explanation is "unlikely".

While eyewitness testimony is unreliable, the fact is that it's evidence that the explanation chose to rely upon. And the official explanation simply disregarded the actual testimony and used a modified version to justify their conclusion.

The evidence of wounds doesn't generally agree with the official account, either.

There's some bizarre theories that Sirhan Sirhan was hypnotized into a mole-assassin 'bot. All I can say is the theory that there was a second shooter is plausible. It is difficult for a conspiracy to include a crazy "lone wolf" like Jared Lee Loughner to show up and the time and place desired and do what your plan requires, even IF you were to try to "program" him.
 
2012-04-30 03:18:07 PM

timujin: She's the only one who heard the second shot? Did she consider that it might have been an echo?


As a former prolific hunter I've seen and heard some strange things in the field. Echos, richochets, echos of ricochets have made it seem like things were happening behind me when I could clearly see them happening in front.

Hell, I've been rained on by bird-shot that made it sound like bombs were about to fall from overhead.
 
2012-04-30 03:18:19 PM
Sirhan Sirhan has changed his tune so many damn times, he's got the Black Eyed Peas looking to rip off his back catalogue. Everything from he meant to do it, to he's a CIA Drone that was programmed to do it, to a second shooter, to being under hypnosis while doing the shooting, to feigning ignorance as to why he's in prison ("I did what?"), to God knows what else he's going to parade out next. This chick wants 15 minutes of fame in this world of misinformation and attention whoring.

Nothing to see hear, keep on moving.
 
2012-04-30 03:19:37 PM
It was Rosey Grier, mistaken for a refrigerator.
 
2012-04-30 03:20:15 PM

Oldiron_79: Every bullet in RFK was the right calibre and direction to have been from Sirhan, so if there was a second gunman he missed.


She never claimed he was a good gunman, just the second one.
 
2012-04-30 03:20:54 PM

Unhip1: I'm so glad she's bringing this up right away...JUSTICE IS AT STAKE
40+ years later....

//**headfloor**


She had to wait until all the other eyewitnesses forgot the details. Only then could she add the "correct" details without anyone else calling her on it.

/Sirhan should have just faked illness and asked for release on compassionate grounds
//it worked for al-Megrahi
 
2012-04-30 03:21:11 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Sirhan Sirhan has changed his tune so many damn times, he's got the Black Eyed Peas looking to rip off his back catalogue. Everything from he meant to do it, to he's a CIA Drone that was programmed to do it, to a second shooter, to being under hypnosis while doing the shooting, to feigning ignorance as to why he's in prison ("I did what?"), to God knows what else he's going to parade out next. This chick wants 15 minutes of fame in this world of misinformation and attention whoring.

Nothing to see hear, keep on moving.


Except of course the fact the physical evidence doesn't fit either.
 
2012-04-30 03:22:07 PM
Three words: J. Edgar Hoover
 
2012-04-30 03:22:53 PM

umad: Generation_D: The Kennedys were loose cannons, a lot of established authority wanted them dead, from J Edgar Hoover, to the Mob, to the CIA, to the Miami Cubans.

I have it on good authority that the shooter in both cases was actually George W. Bush.


red herring

everyone knws it was cheney.

Again
 
2012-04-30 03:23:08 PM

gearfab_bastad: Give Turner & Christian's "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy" a read if you want more details about what was pretty obviously a conspiracy. It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.


The willful blindness on political assassinations goes back to ancient history.

Alexander conquers the known world, while amassing political foes at home, then after the wars, he suddenly drops dead of natural causes at 32-farking-years-old.

Attila makes it all the way to the gates of Rome, just to die of a mysterious illness, that never seemed to bother him when he was slapping the Roman army around.

The list goes on.
 
2012-04-30 03:23:10 PM

Oldiron_79: Every bullet in RFK was the right calibre and direction to have been from Sirhan, so if there was a second gunman he missed.


Luckily for the investigators Sirhan had the only gun in existence of that caliber, as it would be very inconvenient if someone else, also in a position to have fired the shots, also had such a gun.
 
2012-04-30 03:25:02 PM

SharkTrager: Except of course the fact the physical evidence doesn't fit either.


Of course it doesn't. Hard to believe in the truth if it actually does. Faith without doubt is truth.
 
2012-04-30 03:27:06 PM
so he shakes Hitlers hand but shoots Kennedy?
bastard.

static7.businessinsider.com
 
2012-04-30 03:27:08 PM

gearfab_bastad: It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.


In America? I doubt it. In countries that are prone to a coup every now and then, sure.
 
2012-04-30 03:29:38 PM
I was watching this covered on the channel 9 news in Chicago and they said "The RFK assassination 48 years ago...." come on, jesus christ, how hard is it to get something like that right.
 
Ehh
2012-04-30 03:29:53 PM
imontheinternet: The willful blindness on political assassinations goes back to ancient history.

Alexander conquers the known world, while amassing political foes at home, then after the wars, he suddenly drops dead of natural causes at 32-farking-years-old.

Attila makes it all the way to the gates of Rome, just to die of a mysterious illness, that never seemed to bother him when he was slapping the Roman army around.

The list goes on.



There's also that sleeper agent pretzel's failed attempt to take out Dubya, and that old lawyer's attempt to use his face to ricochet some birdshot at Cheney.
 
2012-04-30 03:33:10 PM

Brother_Mouzone: I was watching this covered on the channel 9 news in Chicago and they said "The RFK assassination 48 years ago...." come on, jesus christ, how hard is it to get something like that right.


Dunno...I still hear Fundies bringing up getting tossed to the lions.
 
2012-04-30 03:35:12 PM
Unhip1: "I'm so glad she's bringing this up ... 40+ years later...."

To be fair, if there's an 'official' government story, there's no reason to expect anyone would contradict it based on this one lady and no additional evidence.
I mean, we had enough trouble with the press pushing bullshiat in the lead-up to the Iraq war and sitting on stories regarding war crimes and trumped-up "terrorist plots" and all the rest. And that, in the 21st century where every would-be whistleblower or journalist looking to scoop their competitors was literally *surrounded* with the technical capability to self-publish.

So is it really fair to expect she could have done better in the 70s, 80s or early 90s?
And would anyone in the for-profit press have even *cared* without an anniversary and hearing to cross-promote the story?
 
2012-04-30 03:38:23 PM

Skarekrough: Dunno...I still hear Fundies bringing up getting tossed to the lions.


There are places in Texas where they are proud his brother got shot in Dallas, they actually brag about it openly and they're glad their state was the one to remove that blight from Office the 'proper way'.
 
2012-04-30 03:39:52 PM
When has the government told the truth about anything?
 
2012-04-30 03:41:40 PM
27.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-04-30 03:45:32 PM
California Attorney General Kamala Harris

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-30 03:46:06 PM
Huh? William Perry never played for the Redskins.

/obscure? I hope not
 
2012-04-30 03:47:23 PM
farm8.staticflickr.com

/crack investigators are on the case
 
2012-04-30 03:50:52 PM

gearfab_bastad: Give Turner & Christian's "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy" a read if you want more details about what was pretty obviously a conspiracy. It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.


Short of the Lincoln assasination can you name another presidential shooting that was proven to be part of a conspiracy?Want to believe the Mob ordered a hit on the each of the Kennedy brothers? As long as you accept Lee Harvey and Sirhan Sirhan as the shooters, go for it, it's not terribly far fetched given the existing evidence. But realize it can't never will be proven to any degree of scientific certainty

Want to believe the CIA/Freemasons/LBJ/The Military Industrial Complex/The John Dillinger Died for Your Sins Society did it?

Sorry, not a single scrap of evidence to support those theories that is more credible than the tesitmony of the average UFO abduction survivor's
 
2012-04-30 03:55:01 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Had to be behind the refrigerator; the shot from the grassy knoll was blocked by the convection oven.


Possible, very possible, was the refrigerator running?
 
2012-04-30 03:58:53 PM
Not from behind the Ice Machine....from inside the Ice Machine.

Agent 13 had the training to hide in the ice bin for hours.... undetected.
 
2012-04-30 04:03:39 PM
E. Howard Hunt! ----Sirhan was a mind-control zombie. JFK was shot by Woody Harrelson's dad.
 
2012-04-30 04:08:33 PM

Oldiron_79: Every bullet in RFK was the right calibre and direction to have been from Sirhan, so if there was a second gunman he missed.


From TFA; According to the autopsy report, the coroner concluded that the senator's body and clothing were struck from behind, at right rear, by four bullets fired at upward angles and at point-blank range. Yet witnesses said Sirhan fired somewhat downward, almost horizontally, from several feet in front of Kennedy, and witnesses did not report the senator's back as ever being exposed to Sirhan or his gun.

Odd how all the evidence adds up the the guy right behind him, who was added in at the last minute and was the only one to have 'lost' his gun when it came time to do the investigation.
 
2012-04-30 04:10:41 PM
back and to the left back and to the left
 
2012-04-30 04:23:50 PM

CliChe Guevara: Oldiron_79: Every bullet in RFK was the right calibre and direction to have been from Sirhan, so if there was a second gunman he missed.

From TFA; According to the autopsy report, the coroner concluded that the senator's body and clothing were struck from behind, at right rear, by four bullets fired at upward angles and at point-blank range. Yet witnesses said Sirhan fired somewhat downward, almost horizontally, from several feet in front of Kennedy, and witnesses did not report the senator's back as ever being exposed to Sirhan or his gun.

Odd how all the evidence adds up the the guy right behind him, who was added in at the last minute and was the only one to have 'lost' his gun when it came time to do the investigation.


It couldn't have been that since Kennedy was falling forward the bullets went in at upward angles, considering the first shot was too the head. In my 20+ years of fighting, one truth rings out: Where ever the head goes, 80% of the body follows. If the head goes down, so does the body.

First shot to the head sends him to the floor, the rest are coming in from that angle. Sure, Sirhan had jumped up on a table from behind it, but wasn't standing straight up, he was crouched, putting the first shot at an even angle to the head, the rest were from Kennedy falling forward and the angle would be from 'underneath'. If those simple physics can't be followed, I don't know what else to say.

And, lastly, they said the shot to the head was from close range, yet Sirhan was a few feet away. Maybe he could have, oh, I don't know, extended his arm to the back of Bobby's head to make sure the shot was accurate, then pulled his arm back when the scuffle began? That seems perfectly logical to me.

There have been tests on people's memories to actions during a heightened state of anxiety, like at a shooting, and it's VERY easy to implant memories into people if the authorities wanted to. With the woman in the Polka Dot dress, it was said she uttered the words "We shot Kennedy." Could that actually have been "They shot Kennedy." or even more realistically "He shot Kennedy."?

Sirhan shot Kennedy, there were no other shooters and no conspiracies. People that want conspiracies are obviously not thinking it through clearly, or are desperate for it to be a conspiracy to fill some underlying scheme within themselves about the powers that be. It would be considered 'romantic' to the conspiracy theorists that LBJ or the CIA was involved, but none of this falls under the CIA's domain, they work outside the US, the FBI holds domain within the US soil.

People need to stop watching so many damned spy movies.
 
2012-04-30 04:26:01 PM
"Rolo... Tomasi."
 
2012-04-30 04:28:08 PM

CliChe Guevara: Odd how all the evidence adds up the the guy right behind him, who was added in at the last minute and was the only one to have 'lost' his gun when it came time to do the investigation.


You mean: Serial number H-53725, Trial-People's Exhibit #6 was lost? That he dropped it while they subdued him, he broke free and tried firing it some more? That gun?
 
2012-04-30 04:29:09 PM

gearfab_bastad: It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.


That depends, if the target is a GOP/ conservative, they get shot by some nut in love with Jodie Foster
If it's a Dem/liberal, it's done very professionally and with certainty.
 
2012-04-30 04:30:06 PM
This from the "BREAKING NEWS: BENNIFER BROKE UP!" news network?

This from the "Tonight on Piers Morgan: Rikki Lake details her sex life!" people.

My God. Fox news may actually be more sane.

/still 1000% useless
 
2012-04-30 04:30:14 PM
osmsauce.com
 
2012-04-30 04:33:19 PM
She's the only person that heard it and It took her 44 years to bring it up?
Thanks - we'll be in touch.

/Larry
//What is Sirhan Sirhan's middle name?
 
2012-04-30 04:34:32 PM

trippdogg: /Larry
//What is Sirhan Sirhan's middle name?


Bishara
 
2012-04-30 04:35:26 PM

Magorn: Sorry, not a single scrap of evidence to support those theories that is more credible than the tesitmony of the average UFO abduction survivor's


E Howard Hunt's deathbed confession brought out by his son two years ago.

Lee Harvey Oswald's mistress's book published last year.

I find them credible, but then, I'm a sucker for anyone who tells me the government is lying.
 
2012-04-30 04:35:28 PM

timujin: She's the only one who heard the second shot? Did she consider that it might have been an echo?


uberkuul.files.wordpress.com

An echo!!?? The echo of "bang" would be "Notlob"!!
 
2012-04-30 04:35:30 PM

trippdogg: She's the only person that heard it and It took her 44 years to bring it up?
Thanks - we'll be in touch.

/Larry
//What is Sirhan Sirhan's middle name?


Sirhan Bob Sirhan or Sirhan Nahris Sirhan
 
2012-04-30 04:38:59 PM
Officer Lou reported seeing a woman with blue hair in the area.
 
2012-04-30 04:39:19 PM

There was a second gunman in the RFK assassination, behind the refrigerator


Dammit, Spielberg*, KNOCK IT OFF!

*waves to olapbill*


* Get me his non-union Mexican equivalent
 
2012-04-30 04:39:33 PM

Triumph: E Howard Hunt's deathbed confession brought out by his son two years ago.

Lee Harvey Oswald's mistress's book published last year.

I find them credible, but then, I'm a sucker for anyone who tells me the government is lying.


So, either the Government is so inept, it can't be trusted with things like Healthcare because they could fark up a blowjob, or the Government is so dastardly efficient it was able to assassinate 2 of the most important Politicians of the 60's and successfully drop the blame on 2 lone gunmen crackpots.

Seems we're at an impasse, here.
 
2012-04-30 04:45:17 PM

Oak: After all, it was you and me.


What's puzzling me is the nature of your game.
 
2012-04-30 04:46:51 PM
From TFA: Robert Kennedy was the most seriously wounded of the six people shot inside the hotel pantry on June 5, 1968

Ya think?!


That's some fine reporting there Lou.
 
2012-04-30 04:49:12 PM

Millennium: Oak: After all, it was you and me.

What's puzzling me is the nature of your game.


woo,who!
 
2012-04-30 04:50:47 PM

gearfab_bastad: Give Turner & Christian's "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy" a read if you want more details about what was pretty obviously a conspiracy. It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.


Charles Guiteau
Leon Czolgosz
John Schrank
Arthur Bremer
Lynnette "Squeaky" Fromme
Sara Jane Moore
John Hinkley

Yeah, lone psychopaths never attempt to assassinate politicians. But keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-04-30 04:51:19 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Triumph: E Howard Hunt's deathbed confession brought out by his son two years ago.

Lee Harvey Oswald's mistress's book published last year.

I find them credible, but then, I'm a sucker for anyone who tells me the government is lying.

So, either the Government is so inept, it can't be trusted with things like Healthcare because they could fark up a blowjob, or the Government is so dastardly efficient it was able to assassinate 2 of the most important Politicians of the 60's and successfully drop the blame on 2 lone gunmen crackpots.

Seems we're at an impasse, here.


The impasse only exists if you believe in the stated motives. Replace the word government with the word mafia and you'll see both of your premises align perfectly.
 
2012-04-30 05:02:01 PM
I remember a few years ago when Sirhan was up for parole, he actually claimed that Robert Kennedy would have forgiven him.

Then some comedian pointed out, "That's real bad luck, the one guy that would have let you out is the guy you happened to kill.
 
2012-04-30 05:04:46 PM
"Dr. Noguchi was Chief Medical Examiner/Coroner of the county of Los Angeles [...] Noguchi performed the autopsy of Robert F. Kennedy. According to Noguchi, one shot entered underneath the right armpit and exited the right front shoulder. Another was under the armpit and traversed sideways to the spinal column. The fatal bullet entered the skull an inch behind his right ear. The thoroughness of the tests gave credence to a conspiracy theory [...]"
 
2012-04-30 05:08:01 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: So, either the Government is so inept, it can't be trusted with things like Healthcare because they could fark up a blowjob, or the Government is so dastardly efficient it was able to assassinate 2 of the most important Politicians of the 60's and successfully drop the blame on 2 lone gunmen crackpots.

Seems we're at an impasse, here.


I never said the government was inept. The government developed atomic weapons in complete secrecy over just a few years. The government is not monolithic. I does some things well and some things poorly, but it generally excels at lying and covering up (witness aforementioned Manhattan Project).
 
2012-04-30 05:11:09 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: So, either the Government is so inept, it can't be trusted with things like Healthcare because they could fark up a blowjob, or the Government is so dastardly efficient it was able to assassinate 2 of the most important Politicians of the 60's and successfully drop the blame on 2 lone gunmen crackpots.

Seems we're at an impasse, here.


Exactly this.
 
2012-04-30 05:12:30 PM
Behind the mayonnaise, next to the ketchup, and to the left of the cole slaw?
 
2012-04-30 05:30:27 PM

dryknife: It was Rosey Grier, mistaken for a refrigerator.


www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-04-30 05:35:50 PM
He was shot four times at point-blank range. Who needs a "second gunman?"
What's his job? To kick the body?
 
2012-04-30 05:39:25 PM

Ehh: There was nothing hinkley about either Kennedy assassination. To say otherwise would be a colosio lie.


Hinkley shot Kennedy
i.dailymail.co.uk

Front and to the right.
 
2012-04-30 05:41:05 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: CliChe Guevara: Odd how all the evidence adds up the the guy right behind him, who was added in at the last minute and was the only one to have 'lost' his gun when it came time to do the investigation.

You mean: Serial number H-53725, Trial-People's Exhibit #6 was lost? That he dropped it while they subdued him, he broke free and tried firing it some more? That gun?


No, that would be Sirhan's gun.

Coincidentally the off duty police officer escorting Kennedy, who also happened to be the only person with a gun who was in the position indicated by at least one shot, happened to be carrying a gun of the same caliber as Sirhan at the time of the shooting. When this was discovered and he was asked to produce said gun he said he had "sold it" so it was not available for forensics testing.
 
2012-04-30 05:44:29 PM
Funny how at the time of the shooting Roosevelt Grier and Rafer Johnson jumped on Sirhan--to the exclusion of everyone else--and wrestled his pistol away from him.

Bullshiat, lady. If there had been a second shooter determined to kill RFK, the gunfire would have continued after Johnson and Grier collared Sirhan, and whoever was firing probably would have targeted Johnson and Grier, too.
 
2012-04-30 05:46:57 PM

imontheinternet: gearfab_bastad: Give Turner & Christian's "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy" a read if you want more details about what was pretty obviously a conspiracy. It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.

The willful blindness on political assassinations goes back to ancient history.

Alexander conquers the known world, while amassing political foes at home, then after the wars, he suddenly drops dead of natural causes at 32-farking-years-old.

Attila makes it all the way to the gates of Rome, just to die of a mysterious illness, that never seemed to bother him when he was slapping the Roman army around.

The list goes on.


Is it really that surprising when alcoholic soldiers die relatively young? Both Alexander and Attila probably died exactly how they lived - drunk out of their minds...

/not sure if serious, but my handle demanded I respond
 
2012-04-30 06:07:00 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: So, either the Government is so inept, it can't be trusted with things like Healthcare because they could fark up a blowjob, or the Government is so dastardly efficient it was able to assassinate 2 of the most important Politicians of the 60's and successfully drop the blame on 2 lone gunmen crackpots.

Seems we're at an impasse, here.


Indeed, you can't tell the difference between assassins and health care managers.
 
2012-04-30 06:09:39 PM
William F. Pepper would be an interesting place to start reading.
 
2012-04-30 06:11:19 PM
Second Assassin
Hey there look out behind the
Refrigerator
 
2012-04-30 06:15:57 PM
Or if ya don't like readin' see this VIDeo
 
2012-04-30 06:19:23 PM

gearfab_bastad: Give Turner & Christian's "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy" a read if you want more details about what was pretty obviously a conspiracy. It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.


Yeah, or read Moldea's The Killing of Robert F. Kennedy.

If you want anything to cease to be taken seriously, get the conspiracy nuts involved. If the right/wrong person wrote a thorough explanation of why the sky is blue, I would doubt it.
 
2012-04-30 06:19:40 PM

puckrock2000: gearfab_bastad: Give Turner & Christian's "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy" a read if you want more details about what was pretty obviously a conspiracy. It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.

Charles Guiteau
Leon Czolgosz
John Schrank
Arthur Bremer
Lynnette "Squeaky" Fromme
Sara Jane Moore
John Hinkley

Yeah, lone psychopaths never attempt to assassinate politicians. But keep farking that chicken.


Did you notice that five out of seven were failures? Maybe not. Here, let me help. Five out of seven were failures.
 
2012-04-30 06:36:17 PM

TwowheelinTim: puckrock2000: gearfab_bastad: Give Turner & Christian's "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy" a read if you want more details about what was pretty obviously a conspiracy. It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.

Charles Guiteau
Leon Czolgosz
John Schrank
Arthur Bremer
Lynnette "Squeaky" Fromme
Sara Jane Moore
John Hinkley

Yeah, lone psychopaths never attempt to assassinate politicians. But keep farking that chicken.

Did you notice that five out of seven were failures? Maybe not. Here, let me help. Five out of seven were failures.


In no case were their failures for lack of effort. Schrank, Bremer, and Hinkley missed killing their targets by millimeters. Bremer crippled his target; Hinkley crippled James Brady. Griselio Torresola and Oscar Collazo put a pretty good effort into trying to kill Harry Truman, too, and Torresola killed a cop, Leslie Coffelt, in the process.
 
2012-04-30 06:41:58 PM

thesubliminalman: William F. Pepper would be an interesting place to start reading.


Yeah, the defendant's lawyer is always the most unbiased source.
 
2012-04-30 06:58:49 PM

CruiserTwelve: Yeah, the defendant's lawyer is always the most unbiased source.


Plus, from his website: "Pepper believes that (MLK, Jr's assassin) Ray was framed by the federal government and that King was killed by a conspiracy that involved the FBI, the CIA, the military, the Memphis police and organized crime figures from New Orleans and Memphis."

Jeez, what a nut.
 
2012-04-30 07:01:54 PM
It's ALWAYS the second shooter behind the gassy roll.
 
2012-04-30 08:32:20 PM
They found new video! Link
 
2012-04-30 09:38:51 PM

Choo-Choo Bear: CruiserTwelve: Yeah, the defendant's lawyer is always the most unbiased source.

Plus, from his website: "Pepper believes that (MLK, Jr's assassin) Ray was framed by the federal government and that King was killed by a conspiracy that involved the FBI, the CIA, the military, the Memphis police and organized crime figures from New Orleans and Memphis."

Jeez, what a nut.


I have heard the same word for word comment for cruiser12
 
2012-05-01 12:10:07 AM

Magorn: gearfab_bastad: Give Turner & Christian's "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy" a read if you want more details about what was pretty obviously a conspiracy. It's fine if you want to believe assassinations of political leaders are usually done by "lone" nuts. But history almost always shows otherwise.

Short of the Lincoln assasination can you name another presidential shooting that was proven to be part of a conspiracy?Want to believe the Mob ordered a hit on the each of the Kennedy brothers? As long as you accept Lee Harvey and Sirhan Sirhan as the shooters, go for it, it's not terribly far fetched given the existing evidence. But realize it can't never will be proven to any degree of scientific certainty

Want to believe the CIA/Freemasons/LBJ/The Military Industrial Complex/The John Dillinger Died for Your Sins Society did it?

Sorry, not a single scrap of evidence to support those theories that is more credible than the tesitmony of the average UFO abduction survivor's


It wasn't a shooting but Herbert Hoover was almost blown up by a group of Argentine anarchists.
 
2012-05-01 01:37:56 AM
Too bad. Bobby shut down in the prime of his life without a chance to kill whores like his two brothers did. What a damn shame.
 
2012-05-01 03:24:55 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: People that want conspiracies are obviously not thinking it through clearly, or are desperate for it to be a conspiracy to fill some underlying scheme within themselves about the powers that be. It would be considered 'romantic' to the conspiracy theorists that LBJ or the CIA was involved, but none of this falls under the CIA's domain, they work outside the US, the FBI holds domain within the US soil.


The murder of the Kennedys or Martin Luther King are by no means "romantic" ideas. In fact, the lone gunman is the romantic view, as it means we're really all safe and these were just isolated incidents that would never be repeated in a civilized society and certainly not something that a representative of the government could possibly ever be behind.

But you're absolutely right about the FBI.

This video seems to address the "not thinking it through clearly" argument and has the benefit that very, very little of it is talking head voiceover trying to tell you a typical wackjob story. It's mostly news footage which encompasses the shootings of JFK, RFK and MLK.

The RJK portion provides FBI photos (which the LAPD subsequently destroyed the physical evidence of) which shows that at least 10 rounds were fired from Sirhan's 8-round pistol.

Unfortunately, thinking it through that clearly involves 10 hours of footage. It's easy to dismiss small individual pieces, but the long story that DOES think it through very clearly becomes rather compelling through a simple preponderance of the evidence.

Parts 1 & 2 are about JFK, parts 3 & 4 are RFK, parts 5 & 6 concern MLK.
 
Displayed 105 of 105 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report