Gyrfalcon: If it was a troll, it was too believable as a genuine argument. Trolls should be unreasonable, biatchy and bilious. This sounds like someone who actually wants to say something.

I think I realize why so many posts that aren't get labeled as trolls. There is a serious disconnect between what you think trolls are and what they really are.

Mike_LowELL: Anyone who thinks the Republicans are at fault for the gridlock in Congress is a stupid liberal that needs to take a bath. And no, there's no compromising on this. The failed liberal policies of the last thirty years got us here and it's up to the grown-ups to fix the problem. Step aside and deal with it.

Obvious troll is obvious.

AverageAmericanGuy: I think I realize why so many posts that aren't get labeled as trolls.

It's called Poe's Law.

pointblank79: Obvious troll is obvious.

Oblivious response is oblivious.

NuttierThanEver: Unfortunately reasonable debate has been replaced by Faux News talking heads catapulting the propaganda. It is a cliche to blame Rupert Murdoch's evil empire but dammit it's true.

Speaking of which, I haven't seen anything regarding Murdoch's "fit"ness on Fark today.

Baz744: Biased liberals are biased. Their book completely fails to discuss how extremist liberals are also ideologically extreme, scornful of compromise, indifferent to facts and evidence, and crippling our constitutional system. How can we take seriously such an obviously partisan hit piece? Would be more credible with a balanced presentation.

...and have no political power. You forgot that part.

""But for Republicans currently inside Congress, you have a new set of litmus tests and a new outlook that leads them in directions where you can't say that there is such a thing as climate change, you take positions on things like immigration that are simply off the rails, and if you compromise, you are basically defiling what the party stands for," Ornstein says."

so refusing to entertain legislation like amnesty for the 12-20 million illegal aliens in the country, or to pass dream act, or to be in favor of e-verify is *simply off the rails* according to these two neutral observers?

are they even aware that the vast majority of americans are against amnesty and have always been against it?

2001 - Gallup polling about blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants more generally finds the public widely unsympathetic to this proposal, with only 6% supporting it. An additional 20% think that citizenship should be granted selectively to illegal immigrant workers who have been here a specified length of time and paid taxes, but two-thirds of Americans think that the United States should not do anything to facilitate citizenship for illegal immigrants.

2007 - 62% of Americans would like to see illegals removed from the country and barred from returning legally until certain requirement are met.

2012 - Americans' Immigration Concerns Linger
Nearly two-thirds are dissatisfied with the current level of immigration


these authors are so isolated from the mainstream that they literally don't have a clue that their ideas on immigration are the extreme ones, and that it is the democrat party that is beholden to the special interest groups like the mexican lobby and are the ones thwarting the will of the American public in refusing to address immigration .
when I'm reading non-fiction I prefer to have the author at least somewhat grounded in reality. I'll pass.

AverageAmericanGuy:
The House represents the will of the people, and a majority there is a strong signal that the will of the people has shifted and the Senate should follow suit.

It's a strong signal that the last election was a mid-term one.

pontechango: Speaking of which, I haven't seen anything regarding Murdoch's "fit"ness on Fark today.

Business tab earlier today.

pointblank79: AverageAmericanGuy:
The House represents the will of the people, and a majority there is a strong signal that the will of the people has shifted and the Senate should follow suit.

It's a strong signal that the last election was a mid-term one.

If you believe that, you're reading tea leaves.

relcec: these authors are so isolated from the mainstream that they literally don't have a clue that their ideas on immigration are the extreme ones,

They know exactly what's going on with immigration, so they can see which positions at all reflect reality or could somehow work with how things. You have to deal with what is, not with what people perceive it as being.

relcec: it is the democrat party that is beholden to the special interest groups like the mexican lobby

Holy guacamole, that explains all of the fiestas!

Gyrfalcon: AverageAmericanGuy: Gyrfalcon: If it was a troll, it was too believable as a genuine argument. Trolls should be unreasonable, biatchy and bilious. This sounds like someone who actually wants to say something.

I think I realize why so many posts that aren't get labeled as trolls. There is a serious disconnect between what you think trolls are and what they really are.

Oh, I know what a troll is. But usually a troll who is MERELY trolling for bites doesn't sound like someone who wants to have a serious discussion. Someone who wants to derail a conversation generally makes the diversionary intent a little more obvious.

Baz hasn't responded to any of the bites, and when I look at Fark on my phone I'm treated with "Fight The Wisconsin Recall" and "Get Rid of Obama" ads at the top of the pages. These things are not unrelated. Fark has become the same purveyor of nonsense and sensationalism it used to mock.

relcec: these authors are so isolated from the mainstream that they literally don't have a clue that their ideas on immigration are the extreme ones, and that it is the democrat party that is beholden to the special interest groups like the mexican lobby and are the ones thwarting the will of the American public in refusing to address immigration .
when I'm reading non-fiction I prefer to have the author at least somewhat grounded in reality. I'll pass.

mexican lobby? seriously?

and if deportation is your goal, who exactly is going to handle it? Seems to me it would take a (gasp) gigantic government program, a bunch of spending, and a whole lot of violating civil liberties to make something like that happen, isn't that what you're supposed to be aga...oh excuse me, for modern pubs that would be a GREAT idea, you guys love that stuff right (see: patriot act, various wars)

/not even mentioning the effect that removing 20 million people from the workforce would have on our economy.
//Apply for your job on the illegal bashing squad!

pontechango: relcec: it is the democrat party that is beholden to the special interest groups like the mexican lobby

Holy guacamole, that explains all of the fiestas!

Mexican lobby!

/I think I need to add something to my drinking game.

Tremolo: Gyrfalcon: AverageAmericanGuy: Gyrfalcon: If it was a troll, it was too believable as a genuine argument. Trolls should be unreasonable, biatchy and bilious. This sounds like someone who actually wants to say something.

I think I realize why so many posts that aren't get labeled as trolls. There is a serious disconnect between what you think trolls are and what they really are.

Oh, I know what a troll is. But usually a troll who is MERELY trolling for bites doesn't sound like someone who wants to have a serious discussion. Someone who wants to derail a conversation generally makes the diversionary intent a little more obvious.

Baz hasn't responded to any of the bites, and when I look at Fark on my phone I'm treated with "Fight The Wisconsin Recall" and "Get Rid of Obama" ads at the top of the pages. These things are not unrelated. Fark has become the same purveyor of nonsense and sensationalism it used to mock.

Oh, you should meet muck4doo.

Tremolo: These things are not unrelated. Fark has become the same purveyor of nonsense and sensationalism it used to mock.

you realize those ads comes through an ad server that decides what to serve up based on the contents of pages right?

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: pontechango: relcec: it is the democrat party that is beholden to the special interest groups like the mexican lobby

Holy guacamole, that explains all of the fiestas!

Mexican lobby!

/I think I need to add something to my drinking game.

I used to go to a doctor who had a Mexican lobby.

Beautiful building, old adobe. It got destroyed in the Northridge earthquake.

Didn't all the orange and yellow disorient you?

MadeuLaTerestrian: mexican lobby? seriously?

and if deportation is your goal, who exactly is going to handle it? Seems to me it would take a (gasp) gigantic government program, a bunch of spending, and a whole lot of violating civil liberties to make something like that happen, isn't that what you're supposed to be aga...oh excuse me, for modern pubs that would be a GREAT idea, you guys love that stuff right (see: patriot act, various wars)

Anyway, Republicans prefer Guatemalans. Too bad they can't afford a lobby.

WhyteRaven74: Tremolo: These things are not unrelated. Fark has become the same purveyor of nonsense and sensationalism it used to mock.

you realize those ads comes through an ad server that decides what to serve up based on the contents of pages right?

I realize nothing. However I stand by the claim that all (or at the very least most) of the political ads I've seen on the mobile site have been right-wing, and I wholeheartedly believe that there are troll headlines and troll accounts floating around with the intent of generating page views by luring people into fruitless arguments.

pontechango: Anyway, Republicans prefer Guatemalans. Too bad they can't afford a lobby.

Oh hell, I'm sure Chiquita has great lobbyists...oh you mean the actual Guatemalan people. Yeah, that's different.

Tremolo: troll accounts floating around with the intent of generating page views by luring people into fruitless arguments.

Most troll accounts are alts, those that aren't, well they don't exist to create page views for Drew. Which is not to say they aren't being put up to it by someone else.

WhyteRaven74: Tremolo: troll accounts floating around with the intent of generating page views by luring people into fruitless arguments.

Most troll accounts are alts, those that aren't, well they don't exist to create page views for Drew. Which is not to say they aren't being put up to it by someone else.

The troll accounts are from 3 guys, guaranteed.

Sabyen91: WhyteRaven74: Tremolo: troll accounts floating around with the intent of generating page views by luring people into fruitless arguments.

Most troll accounts are alts, those that aren't, well they don't exist to create page views for Drew. Which is not to say they aren't being put up to it by someone else.

The troll accounts are from 3 guys, guaranteed.

This actually reminds me of another even more insane theory I have that there are only about 6 people on the entire internet who create all the content.

Ed Grubermann: pointblank79: Mike_LowELL: Anyone who thinks the Republicans are at fault for the gridlock in Congress is a stupid liberal that needs to take a bath. And no, there's no compromising on this. The failed liberal policies of the last thirty years got us here and it's up to the grown-ups to fix the problem. Step aside and deal with it.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Mike's a poe, not a troll.

And a very funny one.

Tremolo: Sabyen91: WhyteRaven74: Tremolo: troll accounts floating around with the intent of generating page views by luring people into fruitless arguments.

Most troll accounts are alts, those that aren't, well they don't exist to create page views for Drew. Which is not to say they aren't being put up to it by someone else.

The troll accounts are from 3 guys, guaranteed.

This actually reminds me of another even more insane theory I have that there are only about 6 people on the entire internet who create all the content.

And exactly zero of them are female.

Ed Grubermann: Sabyen91: Tremolo: Gyrfalcon: AverageAmericanGuy: Gyrfalcon: If it was a troll, it was too believable as a genuine argument. Trolls should be unreasonable, biatchy and bilious. This sounds like someone who actually wants to say something.

I think I realize why so many posts that aren't get labeled as trolls. There is a serious disconnect between what you think trolls are and what they really are.

Oh, I know what a troll is. But usually a troll who is MERELY trolling for bites doesn't sound like someone who wants to have a serious discussion. Someone who wants to derail a conversation generally makes the diversionary intent a little more obvious.

Baz hasn't responded to any of the bites, and when I look at Fark on my phone I'm treated with "Fight The Wisconsin Recall" and "Get Rid of Obama" ads at the top of the pages. These things are not unrelated. Fark has become the same purveyor of nonsense and sensationalism it used to mock.

Oh, you should meet muck4doo.

I'd rather punch myself in the balls.

WHAT? Then you couldn't participate in the circle jerk!

/If you are confused about what I am saying go to the Ann Romney thread.

Ed Grubermann: Sabyen91: Ed Grubermann: pointblank79: Mike_LowELL: Anyone who thinks the Republicans are at fault for the gridlock in Congress is a stupid liberal that needs to take a bath. And no, there's no compromising on this. The failed liberal policies of the last thirty years got us here and it's up to the grown-ups to fix the problem. Step aside and deal with it.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Mike's a poe, not a troll.

And a very funny one.

Once you realize what he's doing.

Yup. I learned early on but people STILL don't get it.

meat0918: We have conservatives booing Bill Nye because he told them the fact is that the moon is a reflector, not a primary light source.

huh? everyone knows the moon is made of cheese.

Tremolo: Fark has become has always been the same purveyor of nonsense and sensationalism it used to mocks.

There. I fixed it for you.

Mrbogey: nyseattitude: No, you really don't "have to". You can continue to willfully ignore reality and substitute it with something that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Yes.. yes... we've all heard that witticism before. It does well for proving the point apparently.

Fark politics thread prove how dumb and hostile Republicans are by lefties acting dumb and hostile. Brilliant.

Yes, Conservatives really have the high ground in political debate.

Let me just hear the 10th "OMG! OBAMA ATE A DOG! LOL!" joke while trying to convince us that the GOP is the only answer for America.

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: nyseattitude: No, you really don't "have to". You can continue to willfully ignore reality and substitute it with something that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Yes.. yes... we've all heard that witticism before. It does well for proving the point apparently.

Fark politics thread prove how dumb and hostile Republicans are by lefties acting dumb and hostile. Brilliant.

Yes, Conservatives really have the high ground in political debate.

Let me just hear the 10th "OMG! OBAMA ATE A DOG! LOL!" joke while trying to convince us that the GOP is the only answer for America.

It is cooler to eat the pension funds of working people than to eat a dog at 6 years old.

/That is what I hear, at least.

Sabyen91: Ed Grubermann: Sabyen91: Ed Grubermann: pointblank79: Mike_LowELL: Anyone who thinks the Republicans are at fault for the gridlock in Congress is a stupid liberal that needs to take a bath. And no, there's no compromising on this. The failed liberal policies of the last thirty years got us here and it's up to the grown-ups to fix the problem. Step aside and deal with it.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Mike's a poe, not a troll.

And a very funny one.

Once you realize what he's doing.

Yup. I learned early on but people STILL don't get it.

I have no idea what's going on.

Mrtraveler01: Let me just hear the 10th "OMG! OBAMA ATE A DOG! LOL!" joke while trying to convince us that the GOP is the only answer for America.

I wouldn't mind it if they made jokes about it. He proved it himself: It's a treasure trove of humor.

They address it like it's a serious issue that endangers everyone somehow.

pontechango: Tremolo: Fark has become has always been the same purveyor of nonsense and sensationalism it used to mocks.

There. I fixed it for you.

No, it's the best place on the internet for rational, well-reasoned conversation and reasonable dialogue among adults.

Bhasayate: I have no idea what's going on.

Mike_LowELL [TotalFark] (favorite: Clever, silly man)

Bhasayate: Sabyen91: Ed Grubermann: Sabyen91: Ed Grubermann: pointblank79: Mike_LowELL: Anyone who thinks the Republicans are at fault for the gridlock in Congress is a stupid liberal that needs to take a bath. And no, there's no compromising on this. The failed liberal policies of the last thirty years got us here and it's up to the grown-ups to fix the problem. Step aside and deal with it.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Mike's a poe, not a troll.

And a very funny one.

Once you realize what he's doing.

Yup. I learned early on but people STILL don't get it.

I have no idea what's going on.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE YELLING ABOUT!

/MikeLowell is a hilarious poster that is often mistaken for a serious poster.