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2012-04-30 09:15:50 AM  
i wonder what the fellas at the AEI are going to say about this. it's true, of course. but they won't like it.
 
2012-04-30 09:19:27 AM  
Forgot how to use the obvious tag subby. Admittedly I am a liberal but there used to at least be some civility to the arguements, a sense of at least some intelectualism on the right (see William Buckley, George Will etc). Unfortunately reasonable debate has been replaced by Faux News talking heads catapulting the propaganda. It is a cliche to blame Rupert Murdoch's evil empire but dammit it's true.
 
2012-05-01 06:40:13 PM  
They have unintentionally made the case for evolution by demonstrating it in reverse.
 
2012-05-01 06:43:14 PM  
Mitt Romney's openly gay spokesman resigned after two weeks due to political pressure from the right having never given so much as a press release. And yet we still get this kind of statement:

"It is unfortunate that while the Romney campaign made it clear that Grenell being an openly gay man was a non-issue for the governor and his team, the hyper-partisan discussion of issues unrelated to Ric's national security qualifications threatened to compromise his effectiveness on the campaign trail," Log Cabin Republicans Executive Director R. Clarke Cooper said in a statement. "Ric was essentially hounded by the far right and far left."

Really? You're going to blame the far left for chasing an openly gay man out of Romney's campaign?
 
2012-05-01 06:45:05 PM  
Better a non-functioning government then one passing all kinds of whatchamacalit - amy I right my Tea brethren?

/ Obstructionist GOP are obstructionist - except if Romney get elected
 
2012-05-01 07:09:52 PM  
Nonpartisan political authors: "One of the two major parties, the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier - ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition,"

GOP: No You

Plus:
Last year, Ornstein wrote a piece for Foreign Policy magazine about the 112th Congress titled "Worst. Congress. Ever." He says a lot of people wrote to him and said, "Oh, come on, what about the period right before the Civil War?"

"And I said, 'I'll grant you that. Do you really want to be compared to the period right before the Civil War?' You know, maybe we are better than we were in the period leading up to the Civil War, but that left us with a virtual fracture in our society. We don't want to see that happen," Ornstein says.


Lemme think. Black man is most powerful man in the US (and world). States Rights advocates drop their Bush/American flags and take up the Don't Tread On Me flag in January 2009. Every action taken by the Black President is bitterly contested.

Yeah. Yeah, think the GOP like that comparison. Robert E Lee would, however, disavow this group of assholes.
 
2012-05-01 07:11:52 PM  
The media is just as much to blame for acting like the batsh*t insane crap coming out of the Republicans is equal to and deserves the same treatment in the press as what the Democrats are saying.
 
2012-05-01 07:13:15 PM  
What I'm saying is that it's time to call a spade a spade.
 
2012-05-01 07:14:36 PM  

NuttierThanEver: there used to at least be some civility to the arguements


vidya.dyndns.org



There was a time, not too long ago I might add, where politicians went from town to town campaigning and the whole nation didn't give a flying fark, just the local people. Gods only know what was actually said back then, but hyperbole and ad hominim have ever been the watchwords of true political discourse. From the very get go back in Greece to the current incarnation in the US and other countries, democracy has always been about name calling and general schisming.
 
2012-05-01 07:15:25 PM  

Calmamity: The media is just as much to blame for acting like the batsh*t insane crap coming out of the Republicans is equal to and deserves the same treatment in the press as what the Democrats are saying.


I agree.

And I think they want a competitive election year because of ratings. So they'll do what they can to even the playing field.
 
2012-05-01 07:25:50 PM  

FlashHarry: i wonder what the fellas at the AEI are going to say about this. it's true, of course. but they won't like it.


I think someone's about to "resign" from the AEI
 
2012-05-01 07:54:52 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: FlashHarry: i wonder what the fellas at the AEI are going to say about this. it's true, of course. but they won't like it.

I think someone's about to "resign" from the AEI


I hope they don't. I hope they make the AEI fire them and look like dicks for doing it.
 
2012-05-01 08:10:23 PM  
Scholars = elitists = liberals

Invalid study.
 
2012-05-01 08:12:53 PM  
"One of the two major parties, the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier - ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition,"

www.evilinternet.com
 
2012-05-01 08:47:10 PM  
FTFA: He says a lot of people wrote to him and said, "Oh, come on, what about the period right before the Civil War?"

"And I said, 'I'll grant you that. Do you really want to be compared to the period right before the Civil War?'


That sounds about right. People would be saying: Oh, it's not so bad. The Black Death, now, things really went to shiat then!

Just because you can find a time that was worse doesn't mean that we should wait till it gets THAT BAD before we try to fix things, dummies!
 
2012-05-01 08:48:28 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: "One of the two major parties, the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier - ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition,"


That pretty much sums it up, doesn't it.
 
2012-05-01 08:53:38 PM  

bdub77: Because People in power are Stupid: "One of the two major parties, the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier - ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition,"

That pretty much sums it up, doesn't it.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-01 08:56:42 PM  
img1.fark.net: Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein have been denounced as socialist RINO commie libs and have been fired by AEI for not being ideologically pure.

/I give it a week, tops.
//You know who else...
 
2012-05-01 08:57:24 PM  
the whigs circa 1855?
 
2012-05-01 08:57:36 PM  
Part of me wants to say "by kowtowing to the extremists in their party, the GOP is driving itself of a cliff, and eventually will be obsolete", but the more realistic side of me thinks "the fact is we've been getting more and more conservative as a nation over the past few decades -- whether we admit it or not, the conservatives in the country are effectively winning."
 
2012-05-01 08:59:37 PM  
yes. disagreement is bad.
trying not to pass bad legislation is bad.
caring about 15,000,000,000,000 in debt is bad.

we all must fall in line behind Comrade 0bama or be risk being called obstructionist!
 
2012-05-01 09:01:39 PM  
The modern GOP would rather see the U.S. burn that see it get better under the Democrats. They're holding the country hostage unless we give in to their policies. They are political terrorists.
 
2012-05-01 09:04:50 PM  
I wouldn't say it's the entire Republican party or even all Republicans in Congress.

The House is certainly described correctly. Boehner has done great damage to bipartisanship and civility in his tenure as Speaker. He has driven the House Repubs to extreme positions of opposition against Obama and the Democrats and driven a wedge between the parties.

The Senate still maintains at least the outward appearance of cooperation and statesmanship, but as the states decided that electing Senators by consensus is better than selecting them by agreement, the quality of Senators has plummeted to little more than glorified Representatives. Still, the Senate isn't quite as bad as the House in regards to civility.

Worst of all, as long as Boehner and the Republicans run the House, and as long as Obama is still President, this will go on. So if you don't like it, you either vote the House Republicans out completely (not likely given the statistical likelihood of forcing them all out at once) or vote Obama out (much more plausible, statistically).

The choice is yours, libs.
 
2012-05-01 09:05:20 PM  
The GOP is actively working to destroy this country.

Why they aren't in chains for treason and sedition is astounding.
 
2012-05-01 09:06:33 PM  

DeltaPunch: "the fact is we've been getting more and more conservative as a nation over the past few decades -- whether we admit it or not, the conservatives in the country are effectively winning."


[Citation needed]
 
2012-05-01 09:07:56 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The Senate still maintains at least the outward appearance of cooperation and statesmanship


....

You be jokin', right?
 
2012-05-01 09:08:19 PM  

goatleggedfellow: The modern GOP would rather see the U.S. burn that see it get better under the Democrats. They're holding the country hostage unless we give in to their policies. They are political terrorists.


But, but If we could just give the Job Creators a few more tax breaks it will all be good.
 
2012-05-01 09:08:19 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I wouldn't say it's the entire Republican party or even all Republicans in Congress.

The House is certainly described correctly. Boehner has done great damage to bipartisanship and civility in his tenure as Speaker. He has driven the House Repubs to extreme positions of opposition against Obama and the Democrats and driven a wedge between the parties.

The Senate still maintains at least the outward appearance of cooperation and statesmanship, but as the states decided that electing Senators by consensus is better than selecting them by agreement, the quality of Senators has plummeted to little more than glorified Representatives. Still, the Senate isn't quite as bad as the House in regards to civility.

Worst of all, as long as Boehner and the Republicans run the House, and as long as Obama is still President, this will go on. So if you don't like it, you either vote the House Republicans out completely (not likely given the statistical likelihood of forcing them all out at once) or vote Obama out (much more plausible, statistically).

The choice is yours, libs.


Umm, I'm pretty sure keeping Obama in the White House will work out better for us than having Rmoney in there. But thanks for your concern.
 
2012-05-01 09:08:53 PM  
[F]aced with a series of tough votes and close margins, Republicans have ignored their own standards and adopted a practice that has in fact become frequent during the Bush presidency, of stretching out the vote when they were losing until they could twist enough arms to prevail. On at least a dozen occasions, they have gone well over the 15 minutes, sometimes up to an hour.

The Medicare prescription drug vote--three hours instead of 15 minutes, hours after a clear majority of the House had signaled its will--was the ugliest and most outrageous breach of standards in the modern history of the House. It was made dramatically worse when the speaker violated the longstanding tradition of the House floor's being off limits to lobbying by outsiders (other than former members) by allowing Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson on the floor during the vote to twist arms--another shameful first.

--

Ornstein in November of 2003. That was nine years ago. The Republicans weren't duly chastised then and won't be now. Link
 
2012-05-01 09:10:22 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: [F]aced with a series of tough votes and close margins, Republicans have ignored their own standards and adopted a practice that has in fact become frequent during the Bush presidency, of stretching out the vote when they were losing until they could twist enough arms to prevail. On at least a dozen occasions, they have gone well over the 15 minutes, sometimes up to an hour.

The Medicare prescription drug vote--three hours instead of 15 minutes, hours after a clear majority of the House had signaled its will--was the ugliest and most outrageous breach of standards in the modern history of the House. It was made dramatically worse when the speaker violated the longstanding tradition of the House floor's being off limits to lobbying by outsiders (other than former members) by allowing Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson on the floor during the vote to twist arms--another shameful first.

--

Ornstein in November of 2003. That was nine years ago. The Republicans weren't duly chastised then and won't be now. Link


And no one cares. They will just go on ranting about Pelosi and Obama and the 'dignity' of the offices and they media will lap it up.
 
2012-05-01 09:12:54 PM  
Yes, I get it. It's an election year.

// So we have to see "Republicans are the worst they've ever been" articles
// Next is the "Why can't they be like that guy we hated back in the day" articles
 
2012-05-01 09:13:14 PM  

DeltaPunch: Part of me wants to say "by kowtowing to the extremists in their party, the GOP is driving itself of a cliff, and eventually will be obsolete", but the more realistic side of me thinks "the fact is we've been getting more and more conservative as a nation over the past few decades -- whether we admit it or not, the conservatives in the country are effectively winning."


you're right, the conservative Eisenhower republican (the black guy) will win.

but american politics is a pendulum. it might just get kind of gruesome in the meantime during the GOP's death throes unless, of course, they return to being the party of progress, science, and common sense.

/not holding breath.
 
2012-05-01 09:13:15 PM  
"...and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition."

There is a commonality in this thread. Most curious.
 
2012-05-01 09:13:29 PM  

DeltaPunch: whether we admit it or not, the conservatives in the country are effectively winning."


If by winning they are destroying the country then you are correct.

1. Cause economic crisis
2. Dismantle social safety net
3. As thing get worse, pander to bigotry.
4. Convince the people, "X" is the cause of all the problems
5. Usurp freedoms and grant government powers to combat "X"
6. Fascism
7. ???
8. PROFIT! (for a tiny few)

Come to think of it, I think we've heard this song before ...
 
2012-05-01 09:13:32 PM  
Biased liberals are biased. Their book completely fails to discuss how extremist liberals are also ideologically extreme, scornful of compromise, indifferent to facts and evidence, and crippling our constitutional system. How can we take seriously such an obviously partisan hit piece? Would be more credible with a balanced presentation.
 
2012-05-01 09:15:48 PM  
I think these two are about to get Frummed.
 
2012-05-01 09:16:39 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: yes. disagreement is bad.
trying not to pass bad legislation is bad.
caring about 15,000,000,000,000 in debt is bad.


But reading comprehension is good. Try it sometime.
 
2012-05-01 09:16:47 PM  

Corporate Self: DeltaPunch: whether we admit it or not, the conservatives in the country are effectively winning."

If by winning they are destroying the country then you are correct.

1. Cause economic crisis
2. Dismantle social safety net
3. As thing get worse, pander to bigotry.
4. Convince the people, "X" is the cause of all the problems
5. Usurp freedoms and grant government powers to combat "X"
6. Fascism
7. ???
8. PROFIT! (for a tiny few)

Come to think of it, I think we've heard this song before ...


I'd say they're winning by moving public policy discussion so ridiculously far to the right.
 
2012-05-01 09:16:55 PM  
unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts

lol
 
2012-05-01 09:17:33 PM  

Omahawg: you're right, the conservative Eisenhower republican (the black guy) will win.


I am not sure I would call him Ike just yet. During Ike's term the debt was quickly receding. That is not even close to being the case now.
 
2012-05-01 09:18:11 PM  

Baz744: Biased liberals are biased. Their book completely fails to discuss how extremist liberals are also ideologically extreme, scornful of compromise, indifferent to facts and evidence, and crippling our constitutional system. How can we take seriously such an obviously partisan hit piece? Would be more credible with a balanced presentation.


Good thing there are only about 14 extremist liberals in the US.
 
2012-05-01 09:19:14 PM  

Baz744: Biased liberals are biased.


Especially that liberal from the American Enterprise Institute!

RTFA, moran.
 
2012-05-01 09:19:59 PM  
Epic troll thread in the making. Good job on keeping popcorn sales up, subby

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-01 09:20:23 PM  
We have conservatives booing Bill Nye because he told them the fact is that the moon is a reflector, not a primary light source.

The source of the problem goes much deeper than Republicans in Congress, and straight to the people that voted these obstructionist Neanderthals into power.
 
2012-05-01 09:20:25 PM  

Baz744: Biased liberals are biased. Their book completely fails to discuss how extremist liberals are also ideologically extreme, scornful of compromise, indifferent to facts and evidence, and crippling our constitutional system. How can we take seriously such an obviously partisan hit piece? Would be more credible with a balanced presentation.


LOL. This bullshiat about balance got us into this mess when the Republicans started moving the fulcrum. And of course you have ignored the research, which shows that Republicans ignore research, basically proving their point.
 
2012-05-01 09:20:54 PM  

DeltaPunch: whether we admit it or not, the conservatives in the country are effectively winning."


bugontherug: I'd say they're winning by moving public policy discussion so ridiculously far to the right.


More from my previous link.

So, even as the Republicans have moved hard to the right, the Democrats protect the status quo. Which, with each passing year, has moved farther right. Basically, Republicans enact their agenda and it becomes the status quo. Then the Democrats come along and protect what they've done. That becomes the center. At which point the Republicans call the Democrats communists and move even farther right. The Dems are "hardly blameless" alright.

She goes on to talk about how Simpson-Bowles very quickly became the center.

And:

I take no pride in being a member of a Party that is "reluctantly willing to revamp programs and trim retirement and health benefits to maintain its central commitments in the face of fiscal pressures" when the entire premise is bullshiat. There's enough money. The government simply insists upon allowing millionaires and corporations to escape their responsibilities and we are a global military empire which, as they always do, is sucking the lifeblood out of our polity.


We need a real left in this country.
 
2012-05-01 09:21:04 PM  

Pincy: AverageAmericanGuy: I wouldn't say it's the entire Republican party or even all Republicans in Congress.

The House is certainly described correctly. Boehner has done great damage to bipartisanship and civility in his tenure as Speaker. He has driven the House Repubs to extreme positions of opposition against Obama and the Democrats and driven a wedge between the parties.

The Senate still maintains at least the outward appearance of cooperation and statesmanship, but as the states decided that electing Senators by consensus is better than selecting them by agreement, the quality of Senators has plummeted to little more than glorified Representatives. Still, the Senate isn't quite as bad as the House in regards to civility.

Worst of all, as long as Boehner and the Republicans run the House, and as long as Obama is still President, this will go on. So if you don't like it, you either vote the House Republicans out completely (not likely given the statistical likelihood of forcing them all out at once) or vote Obama out (much more plausible, statistically).

The choice is yours, libs.

Umm, I'm pretty sure keeping Obama in the White House will work out better for us than having Rmoney in there. But thanks for your concern.


Vote your conscience, man.
 
2012-05-01 09:21:13 PM  

Baz744: Biased liberals are biased. Their book completely fails to discuss how extremist liberals are also ideologically extreme, scornful of compromise, indifferent to facts and evidence, and crippling our constitutional system. How can we take seriously such an obviously partisan hit piece? Would be more credible with a balanced presentation.


dumb ass liberal: I believe the Republicans are doing nothing but obstructing the system and making no effort to aid the people in stopping this recession. I present evidence in the last 4 years of Congress where everything that wasn't "cut taxes for the rich" was met with filibusters with no room for compromise at all

Real American Patriot Republican: WHARGARBLE STUPID ASS LIBS CUT THE GOD DAMN TAXES TRICKLE DOWN WORKS EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO HISTORICAL EVIDENCE TO BACK THAT UP IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE WORLD

both sides make good arguments
 
2012-05-01 09:23:07 PM  

Baz744: Biased liberals are biased. Their book completely fails to discuss how extremist liberals are also ideologically extreme, scornful of compromise, indifferent to facts and evidence, and crippling our constitutional system. How can we take seriously such an obviously partisan hit piece? Would be more credible with a balanced presentation.


The extremist liberals have little to no influence on the party anymore. Bill Clinton cut their balls off in the 90's and they've never recovered. There is nothing remotely close to the Tea Party in the Democratic Party.
 
2012-05-01 09:24:11 PM  

HeadLever: Omahawg: you're right, the conservative Eisenhower republican (the black guy) will win.

I am not sure I would call him Ike just yet. During Ike's term the debt was quickly receding. That is not even close to being the case now.


oh, i wouldn't either. ike was more of a liberal (in the old sense, not the witchhunt blasphemy it became during the 90s).
 
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