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(Google)   Israel's political leaders are greatly exaggerating the potential effectiveness of a military strike against Iran, according to the former head of some apparently liberal peacenik organization called "Shin Bet"   (google.com) divider line 31
    More: Interesting, Israel's Shin Bet, Iran, Israelis, security agency, saber-rattling, Meir Dagan, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, international economics  
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2012-04-30 10:08:13 AM  
4 votes:
nick.mtvnimages.com

The button is war with Iran.

Stimpy is the world.

The announcer guy is the Israeli government.
2012-04-30 11:35:08 AM  
2 votes:
Just remember on a network news intervies Netanyahu covered all of tiny little Israel with his thumb on a map, surrounded by a sea of Arab lands.

His thumb did manage cover tiny little Israel's tiny little thermo-nuclear missiles. Which is nice.
2012-04-30 11:20:05 AM  
2 votes:

Tatsuma: The bigger problem is if Bashar falls. At this point, the Israeli army will absolutely be obligated to invade Syria in order to get its hand on the chemical and biological stockpiles before Hamas or Hizbullah do it first.



Holy shiat, I didn't think about that.
2012-04-30 10:35:14 AM  
2 votes:
What's a military strik?

That's a military strike with no end.
2012-04-30 03:58:05 PM  
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Iran would lose their support and be on their own if they attacked first, especially with a nuke.


I wouldn't be so sure about that, especially since there is zero chance of the US being willing to risk WWIII for any reason short of a nuclear attack on US (not Israeli) soil.

1. Iran nukes Israel
2. US says "OBJECTION! We must stop Iran! Who's with me?"
3. China and Russia say, "We're with Iran, so STFU."
4. US STFUs
5. Iran wins, becomes the next Mecca to world's fastest growing religion
2012-04-30 12:56:13 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: and yet...I cannot seem to find anything from the more neutral polling sites that support your view that the US voters want a war with Iran. granted, for some strange reason voters seem to want to support Israel...but that could change easily enough if Israel kicks off WWIII.


How can you say that Pew is biased? Or that FP is right-wing?
2012-04-30 12:31:26 PM  
1 votes:
So, just checking the news, I can see that

Olmert (left in disgrace, kicked out of office and under investigation for fraud)
Gabi Ashkenazi (left in disgrace, was kicked out of office by Barak)
Meir Dagan (left in disgrace, was kicked out of office by Netanyahu instead of extending his mandate as he wanted)
and
Yuval Diskin (was passed over for promotion, forced to leave his position in the Shin Bet and replaced by his former deputy, hates both Netanyahu and Barak)

all came out within 2 days, right after the announcement that most likely that there would be election in August, all in a concerted effort to attack Netanyahu and Barak.

Both Dagan and Diskin are likely to be trying to get elected, there is a good chance that Ashkenazi will too.

As I said earlier, purely political drivel.
2012-04-30 12:12:29 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: thats good, because support for yet another war in the middle east isn't exactly what people in this country want right now.


60% of Americans believe it will be necessary for the US to stop Iran and back this decision

Only 30% disagree.
2012-04-30 12:07:38 PM  
1 votes:

MeinRS6: Which is basically another way of saying what I posted earlier, hence the reason for no attack so far.


Touche

MeinRS6: I doubt the same percentage of Americans would be fine with the blowback that would occur as a result of a bombing campaign over Iran. There's no winning in this for the US. It's just another mess that cannot be cleaned up by use of explosives - unless you use the ones measured in megatons.


Well 60% say they want the US to use force to stop Iran if necessary, so I am guessing that its part of their thinking.
2012-04-30 11:49:19 AM  
1 votes:

bodangly: I doubt anyone ever asks him that seeing as Cohen is one of the most popular Jewish names.


Tatsuma: CrispFlows: Any relation to Sacha Cohen?

.... Cohen is a really common name.



That's the joke. Hence, the facepalm.

Here, Allow me to do an American equivalent -
I wonder if people ask Will Smith if he's related to Kevin Smith.

/ I bet he facepalms when people ask him that.
2012-04-30 11:34:33 AM  
1 votes:

MeinRS6: One would have to believe that the Iranian program could be seriously set back years(otherwise why risk an attack?) by the destruction that conventional arms can accomplish on a small number of targets. I'm not convinced that's the case.


Well, Israel is apparently convinced its the case, but also convinced that the window is closing

Look, I don't have access to that kind of classified material, but I don't believe Israel would attempt something if there was no chance of it actually working.

Truth is, the best scenario for Israel is of course if America decides to get involved, either from the start or thereafter when Iranians inevitably decides to drag America in, because the American Air Force is obviously superior in terms of equipment and manpower, and could do much more damage.

If the USAF gets involved, the whole program could be eradicated. And 60% of Americans are fine with that. And F22s are parked 200 miles from Iran right now.

And Obama wants to be re-elected and sway independents on his side.
2012-04-30 11:30:34 AM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: MeinRS6: If an Israeli strike would be effective, then they probably would have done it already.

You're wrong there. There is still time, but not much.


One would have to believe that the Iranian program could be seriously set back years(otherwise why risk an attack?) by the destruction that conventional arms can accomplish on a small number of targets. I'm not convinced that's the case.

I'll happily admit I'm wrong if we find out later that a bomb can be dropped down an exhaust port and blow up the entire Iranian nuke program.
2012-04-30 11:30:34 AM  
1 votes:
I'm glad you came, Tats. Now I understand that Israel's only option is to defensively attack all its neighbors.
2012-04-30 11:25:33 AM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: Again, politics, which is why most people in Israel are ignoring this.


You know the internet exists, right?
2012-04-30 11:22:57 AM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: The only people who latched on this are the foreign media neonazis who pretend their Jew-hate is really Israel-hate, basically.

2012-04-30 11:22:47 AM  
1 votes:

BigNumber12: Holy shiat, I didn't think about that.


Yeah, that is really worrying and could prove to be an even worse threat than Iran in the short term, depending on how long Assad stays in power.

But yeah there is no way I can see the IDF not entering Syria the second Assad's done. Even maybe sooner than that, to prevent him to try and fire as many of them as he can to be remembered as a hero by at least some people.

It's a really shiatty situation.
2012-04-30 11:19:00 AM  
1 votes:
PS both Dagan and Diskin declared that now is not the time to attack Iran because the sanctions should be given a chance to work so more, but that if they don't work, THEN Iran should be attacked, and America needs to be brought in the picture.

They are saying that because both are pissed at Netanyahu and at Barak, and I wouldn't be surprised if soon former chief of staff of the IDF Ashkenazi joined the chorus. He really really hates Barak.

Incidentally, all three were basically fired under bad circumstances, and at least two of them will most likely be joining either Kadima or Labor for the next election.


Again, politics, which is why most people in Israel are ignoring this.
2012-04-30 11:12:14 AM  
1 votes:

SchlingFocker: So a Jew who used to be in charge of helping provide for the defense of every Jew in Israel would be willing to actively try and undermine the security of Israel because he didn't get a job he wanted??


You seriously think that someone who was loyal to Bush and hates Obama wouldn't pull something like that in the name of political capital and getting elected?
2012-04-30 11:08:05 AM  
1 votes:

CrispFlows: Any relation to Sacha Cohen?


.... Cohen is a really common name.

Magorn: Egypt? They've had a peace treaty for 40+ years with Israel, are economically interdependant, and just a little pre-occupied with their own social upheaval just right now


Actually the peace treaty seems to be on its way to disappear, and with last week's gas kerfuffle, economically interdependent is certainly not the case anymore.

Things are looking grim now that the MB will be taking power.

Magorn: Syria? Again. The army is more than a mite busy with domestic problems right just now.


The bigger problem is if Bashar falls. At this point, the Israeli army will absolutely be obligated to invade Syria in order to get its hand on the chemical and biological stockpiles before Hamas or Hizbullah do it first.

There is no way the IDF would ever allow that.

MeinRS6: If an Israeli strike would be effective, then they probably would have done it already.


You're wrong there. There is still time, but not much.
2012-04-30 11:01:49 AM  
1 votes:

Giltric: By way of deception thou shalt do war.


How is this relevant, exactly?

/Because that was never the Mossad's motto
2012-04-30 11:00:17 AM  
1 votes:
Imagine if a headline said:

'Former Homeland Security director under Bush says that Obama is greatly exaggerating the potential effectiveness of measures to counter-terrorism in this country', would you give this guy credibility?

Yuval Diskin hates Netanyahu, because he was passed over when it came time to choose someone to replace Meir Dagan.

No one in Israel made a big deal of that story, even Haaretz cast questions regarding Diskin's credibility on this matter.

The only people who latched on this are the foreign media, basically. This is just a political attack against Netanyahu on the eve of him declaring new elections by, surprise surprise, a man who will most likely be entering politics in a left-wing party opposite to Netanyahu.

Tempest in a teapot.
2012-04-30 10:33:57 AM  
1 votes:
Don't forget Saudi Arabia really, REALLY wants this to happen too, like yesterday. Between AIPAC/Likud and House Saud, I'm really having a tough time imagining Dumb Jock-America ignoring it's two abusive biatch-junkie girlfriends and staying out of this bar fight.
2012-04-30 10:23:30 AM  
1 votes:
Huh - the directer of the Shin Bet is Yoram Cohen.

Any relation to Sacha Cohen?

/ I bet he facepalms every time people ask him that.
2012-04-30 10:23:01 AM  
1 votes:

Corporate Self: [nick.mtvnimages.com image 640x360]

The button is war with Iran.

Stimpy is the world.

The announcer guy is the Israeli government.


i.imgur.com
2012-04-30 10:12:27 AM  
1 votes:
What the article fails to mention is that every single muslim in the middle east has called for the extermination of Israel. It also fails to mention that for nearly two decades Iran has been on the verge of wiping out israel, like micro-seconds away!!!!!! Just listen to Israel, or the thread-shiatter who will be here soon enough to turn this thread into his thread where he can dispense scorn and anger at the anti-semites who dare to disagree with him. They'll tell you!

What Skinnyhead is to a Stand Your Ground thread, so is Scatusma in any Israel thread.
2012-04-30 10:11:53 AM  
1 votes:

lenfromak: What's a strik?


pagelaw.files.wordpress.com

/Beat me to it.
2012-04-30 10:09:17 AM  
1 votes:

lenfromak: What's a strik?


I thnk it's supposed to rhyme with peacenik. I dunno, I never was any good with poetry.
2012-04-30 10:01:15 AM  
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Rabin's belief in Israel's trading land for peace


I don't understand why that hasn't been repeatedly tried. It's neither likely to have been rejected nor is there any proven record of it failing to appease aggressors in all of history.

/It definitely worked fine in the 1930s
2012-04-30 09:56:12 AM  
1 votes:
lparchive.org

biatch
2012-04-30 09:54:07 AM  
1 votes:
What's a strik?
2012-04-30 09:51:09 AM  
1 votes:
Of course they are. We do it too. They WILL greet us as liberators, you know, and the war will pay for itself.
 
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