Whar Deth Certificat? Whar?

Diogenes: colinspooky: Amazing what fake docs can convince some people of

Oh, that would be a beautiful thing.

In the teabaggers' fervor to deny Obama's accomplishments they go so far as to claim it was all a setup. bin Laden was an innocent businessman set up as a patsy.

They might try that if things start looking grim for Romney.

colinspooky: cretinbob: colinspooky: Amazing what fake docs can convince some people of

Dude, I think that tin foil is stuck to your head.

Dude, I think your satire detection needle is jammed on serious

If that was satire....never try to be funny ever again. That may have actually caused deaths.

colinspooky: Amazing what fake docs can convince some people of



Yeah. We know.

There are those who, though they are not fooled by derp, will still demand proof of not-derp before acting on it. I hope this will lay their anxieties to rest.

Ah, who am I kidding. A lot of that is still just derp muttered under one's breath.

GTFO!!!! The next thing you will tell me is he wish death to america

and saddam to right? right? they must have found the evidence, right?

right?

o_O

GAT_00: Diogenes: colinspooky: Amazing what fake docs can convince some people of

Oh, that would be a beautiful thing.

In the teabaggers' fervor to deny Obama's accomplishments they go so far as to claim it was all a setup. bin Laden was an innocent businessman set up as a patsy.

They might try that if things start looking grim for Romney.

GIS for grim romney
grim romney is a great band name

I was more surprised about his close ties to Publishers Clearing House and his controlling interests in TV Guide and CatFancy.

I met Osama while attending King Abdulaziz University. We were on the water polo team together. The pool maintenance team hated him because he was hairy as a bear and shed like a sheepdog in heat. He was always clogging up the filters. It was gross playing with him because I was always picking his pubic hairs out of my mouth. He wore his speedos two sizes too small, and it looked like he was smuggling Bob Ross in the crotch.

Osama came from a very wealthy family too, so he'd often break the rules without consequences. Whenever he got the ball, he would get out of the pool with it, run over to the opposing side's goal and throw it in from behind the net. Typical spoiled brat behavior. When one team's coach complained, they found his head floating in the pool the next day. It wasn't fun to play with him, but there was no alternative.

He also liked to fart in the hot tub after practice. He would catch the bubbles in his mouth as they floated up. With a heavy diet of bean curd, hummus, and goat hoof, he had some serious gastrointestinal power. I'm glad he's dead so I don't have to smell his farts in the hot team van anymore. Fitting that he was buried at sea.

I remember my last 20 month erection. Seems like August 2010 was just yesterday.

Anything in the documents linking him to 911?

DNRFA

spentmiles: I met Osama while attending King Abdulaziz University. We were on the water polo team together. The pool maintenance team hated him because he was hairy as a bear and shed like a sheepdog in heat. He was always clogging up the filters. It was gross playing with him because I was always picking his pubic hairs out of my mouth. He wore his speedos two sizes too small, and it looked like he was smuggling Bob Ross in the crotch.

Osama came from a very wealthy family too, so he'd often break the rules without consequences. Whenever he got the ball, he would get out of the pool with it, run over to the opposing side's goal and throw it in from behind the net. Typical spoiled brat behavior. When one team's coach complained, they found his head floating in the pool the next day. It wasn't fun to play with him, but there was no alternative.

He also liked to fart in the hot tub after practice. He would catch the bubbles in his mouth as they floated up. With a heavy diet of bean curd, hummus, and goat hoof, he had some serious gastrointestinal power. I'm glad he's dead so I don't have to smell his farts in the hot team van anymore. Fitting that he was buried at sea.

...

You've lead a charmed life.

dittybopper: TheShavingofOccam123: I remember my last 20 month erection. Seems like August 2010 was just yesterday.

Oddly enough, this fits.

That's what...ah, forget it.

Jeez did I ever post in the wrong thread.

wildsnowllama: spentmiles: I met Osama while attending King Abdulaziz University. We were on the water polo team together. The pool maintenance team hated him because he was hairy as a bear and shed like a sheepdog in heat. He was always clogging up the filters. It was gross playing with him because I was always picking his pubic hairs out of my mouth. He wore his speedos two sizes too small, and it looked like he was smuggling Bob Ross in the crotch.

Osama came from a very wealthy family too, so he'd often break the rules without consequences. Whenever he got the ball, he would get out of the pool with it, run over to the opposing side's goal and throw it in from behind the net. Typical spoiled brat behavior. When one team's coach complained, they found his head floating in the pool the next day. It wasn't fun to play with him, but there was no alternative.

He also liked to fart in the hot tub after practice. He would catch the bubbles in his mouth as they floated up. With a heavy diet of bean curd, hummus, and goat hoof, he had some serious gastrointestinal power. I'm glad he's dead so I don't have to smell his farts in the hot team van anymore. Fitting that he was buried at sea.

...

You've lead a charmed life.

lol. *led

/derp

In his murderous quest to persecute this fine upstanding international citizen, the dread traitor Obama drove his fellow brown-skinned Muslim into the clutches of the evil Taliban and al Qaeda. Poor Osama--what choice did he have? But even then, it wasn't enough to save him from Obama's bloodthirsty wickedness.

DAMN YOU OBAMA... SOMEDAY YOU'LL ANSWER FOR THESE CRIMES

/just getting ahead of the narrative

They really shoulda changed the letterhead to something less obvious.

This actually isn't 100% N.S. Sherlock. There's always been a small group that had no problem going after Al Qaeda, but couldn't understand why we went after the poor innocent Taliban that had nothing to do with it.

Express skepticism towards the official explanation?

"LOL herr durp you're such a tard."

The government lies all the time. It would surprise me exactly zero were it to come out that, for example, Osama bin Laden was a complete fabrication, start to finish.

I know, I know. "Herr durp, streetlights, troofer", and etc.

fark it. Governments lie to gain and maintain power. The most common way they do so is by propping up/creating various Emmanuel Goldsteins for the population to fear and hate. OBL fit both perfectly.

It baffles me why so many on Fark seem to think that expressing skepticism is ok when it comes to religion, but utterly and completely ridiculous when applied to government.

I don't believe it. Everyone knows that such a good friend of the Bush family would not associate with al Qaeda, the Taliban or Methodists!

Quick! Quick! I discovered that Osama bin Laden had close ties with other organizations & countries, too, through these recently discovered, yet not-so-secret, documents:

Under Operation Cyclone from 1979 to 1989, the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Bin Laden met and built relations with Hamid Gul, who was a three-star general in the Pakistani army and head of the ISI agency. Although the United States provided the money and weapons, the training of militant groups was entirely done by the Pakistani Armed Forces and the ISI.

Never forget Osama bin Laden was our boy first. We armed him, trained him, and used him as our errand boy during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

Well, color me purple!

"You don't say!?"

ArkPanda: There's always been a small group that had no problem going after Al Qaeda, but couldn't understand why we went after the poor innocent Taliban that had nothing to do with it.

I've ran into a couple of them on fark. they usually bring up a gas pipeline or something like that.

illegal.tender: It baffles me why so many on Fark seem to think that expressing skepticism is ok when it comes to religion, but utterly and completely ridiculous when applied to government.

You are correct. Government, just like religion, inherently, invariably, and directly invokes supernatural events and a complete suspension of the known physical properties of the universe. The two subjects are thus directly comparable.

ArkPanda: This actually isn't 100% N.S. Sherlock. There's always been a small group that had no problem going after Al Qaeda, but couldn't understand why we went after the poor innocent Taliban that had nothing to do with it.

And that group was known as anti-war progressives THE TEA PARTY, IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN THE TEA PARTY BECAUSE THEY ARE EVERYTHING STUPID AND THE PROGRESSIVES ARE EVERYTHING SMART

/we are at war with Oceania
//we have always been at war with Oceania

So all those video and audio diatribes were not enough? Dang, I was gullible enough to accept his claims of hatred before now.

I'm shocked! Shocked!

FormlessOne: Quick! Quick! I discovered that Osama bin Laden had close ties with other organizations & countries, too, through these recently discovered, yet not-so-secret, documents:

Under Operation Cyclone from 1979 to 1989, the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Bin Laden met and built relations with Hamid Gul, who was a three-star general in the Pakistani army and head of the ISI agency. Although the United States provided the money and weapons, the training of militant groups was entirely done by the Pakistani Armed Forces and the ISI.

Never forget Osama bin Laden was our boy first. We armed him, trained him, and used him as our errand boy during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

Not exactly. It's not like we said "Hey, this is a guy we want to help." We worked with Pakistan and they were the one's who brought Osama, and a whole bunch of other people, in to the fold. We didn't exactly decide who, specifically, got arms and training.

GAT_00: Diogenes: colinspooky: Amazing what fake docs can convince some people of

Oh, that would be a beautiful thing.

In the teabaggers' fervor to deny Obama's accomplishments they go so far as to claim it was all a setup. bin Laden was an innocent businessman set up as a patsy.

They might try that if things start looking grim for Romney.

They might already be looking grim.
if last week was any indication of how the Democrats are going to act for the next 6 months , then it may be a rocky road for Republicans.

illegal.tender: Express skepticism towards the official explanation?

"LOL herr durp you're such a tard."

The government lies all the time. It would surprise me exactly zero were it to come out that, for example, Osama bin Laden was a complete fabrication, start to finish.

I know, I know. "Herr durp, streetlights, troofer", and etc.

fark it. Governments lie to gain and maintain power. The most common way they do so is by propping up/creating various Emmanuel Goldsteins for the population to fear and hate. OBL fit both perfectly.

It baffles me why so many on Fark seem to think that expressing skepticism is ok when it comes to religion, but utterly and completely ridiculous when applied to government.

Did you ever notice that the morans who claim that they are just asking questions manage to come up with the Derpiest questions ever?

Moran: I'm just asking questions!
Reasonable person: Sounds good, go ahead
Moran: Osama Bin Ladin was a complete fabrication, start to finishia

that is not a question, and you are a farking moran. Read Looming Tower and shut the fark up.

Sorry - I've seen the documents and they have layers. LAYERS!

Where are all of the documents linking Bin Laden and 9/11 to Iraq and Saddam Hussein? I was assured, by multiple emails forwarded to me by relatives, that Iraq had something to do with 9/11, Al Qdoba and Bin Laden.

I'm pretty sure I've never seen OBL wearing a tie.

Dimensio: illegal.tender: It baffles me why so many on Fark seem to think that expressing skepticism is ok when it comes to religion, but utterly and completely ridiculous when applied to government.

You are correct. Government, just like religion, inherently, invariably, and directly invokes supernatural events and a complete suspension of the known physical properties of the universe. The two subjects are thus directly comparable.

At root, yes, they are directly comparable. Scientific skepticism applies to both earthly and supernatural events. Claim you can bend spoons with your mind? Fine, show up at James Randi's office and collect your million bucks. Claim you killed OBL? Fine. Prove it.

But again, asking for physical proof is, judging by Fark's typical response, a completely ridiculous thought. It means that the skeptic is a troofer, a UFO nut, a tinfoil-hat wearing wierdo.

Screw that. I'm a skeptic. I don't believe what people claim without solid proof. I question the governments claims. I'm skeptical about them. Until that skepticism is met, then I don't buy their claims.

That's just science.

Anything about the freemasons or reverse vampire link to terroism?

Anal: Sorry - I've seen the documents and they have layers. LAYERS!

So you are saying they are like cake?

illegal.tender: Express skepticism towards the official explanation?

"LOL herr durp you're such a tard."

The government lies all the time. It would surprise me exactly zero were it to come out that, for example, Osama bin Laden was a complete fabrication, start to finish.

I know, I know. "Herr durp, streetlights, troofer", and etc.

fark it. Governments lie to gain and maintain power. The most common way they do so is by propping up/creating various Emmanuel Goldsteins for the population to fear and hate. OBL fit both perfectly.

It baffles me why so many on Fark seem to think that expressing skepticism is ok when it comes to religion, but utterly and completely ridiculous when applied to government.

LOL herr durp you're such a tard.

No really you are. The biggest failing of conspiracy theories is that they assume that the US government is capable of enacting detailed plans involving many many people without us finding out when in fact a US ambassador cannot even make rude comments about Canada without wikileaks finding out. If the US brought down the WTC and OBL was a fabrication I think they might have found a way to smuggle some WMDs into Iraq so they could 'find' them.

The government doesn't know how the internet works, cannot balance a budget, and is running your country into the ground faster than an asteroid, and yet some people choose to believe that somehow they have the ability to outsmart all of us except for the conspiracy theorists. Which brings me to my second point. Have you ever meet a 'real' conspiracy theorist? They really aren't smarter than the 'sheeple' most of them are outright stupid. All these theories are is how the guy who bags your groceries or pumps your gas comes to terms with his station in life, he constructs a mental image of himself as smarter than everyone else which helps him cope with the inadequacies of his life.

So republicans hate Obama so much that they are willing to sympathize with Osama? I think it's time for some serious reflection and prioritizing.

Diogenes [TotalFark] 2012-04-30 09:56:25 AM

colinspooky: Amazing what fake docs can convince some people of

Oh, that would be a beautiful thing.

In the teabaggers' fervor to deny Obama's accomplishments they go so far as to claim it was all a setup. bin Laden was an innocent businessman set up as a patsy.

If only this were a joke. Someone who called in the Republican line was arguing on CSPAN just this very morning that Osama bin Laden should have been given his day in court - just like Sadaam Hussein. And that bin Laden being killed on President Obama's watch wasn't a big deal at all.

WTF?

I am the bleedingest of bleeding heart liberals but I would have loved to have been the one to put a bullet in Osama's brain and dump him overboard for fish food.

thomps: ordinarysteve: So republicans hate Obama so much that they are willing to sympathize with Osama? I think it's time for some serious reflection and prioritizing.

seriously, how could we elect such a polarizing character. never again.

Haha, really though. I have a hard time figuring out how a pragmatic centrist could be so polarizing. It's almost as though he were a black democrat or something.

PC LOAD LETTER: "Baggers becoming Truthers..."

If you're the kind of person to be persuaded by one conspiracy theory, odds are low that you'd reject another.

I mean, the same people who believe in death panels, "up to 81" communists in the House of Representatives, the massive expansion of the government since 2008, Obama's secret second-term anti-gun plans, Republican fiscal responsibility, or the Easter Bunny, are going to have no trouble believing 9/11 is a setup.

So long as you cast Soros and the UN as the villains.

Egoy3k: LOL herr durp you're such a tard.

No really you are.

I know.

But anyway, what proof has been given that OBL's death happened the way the US has said it did? I'm a complete retard, granted. But without attacking me as a person, or others, what proof has been given?

Well, I for one, think it's going to be a very long time before we have to worry about massed Muslim armies wading ashore in New Jersey. But, smuggling in some nasty sh*t? Oh, yes, that's likely to happen. Homegrown nutters doing a massacre or two? Oh, yes, that's likely to happen too. This whole business is a local -- to North America -- policing action. What our troops are doing anywhere near the muddled east, is a puzzler, to say the least.

ordinarysteve: thomps: ordinarysteve: So republicans hate Obama so much that they are willing to sympathize with Osama? I think it's time for some serious reflection and prioritizing.

seriously, how could we elect such a polarizing character. never again.

Haha, really though. I have a hard time figuring out how a pragmatic centrist could be so polarizing. It's almost as though he were a black democrat or something.

He isn't polarizing. That's all the Republican's doing. They are actually stumping by taking Obama's unquestioned successes and describing them as failures.

I read a blurb over the weekend. It seems that last Thursday, some reporter from one of the right wing rags sneeringly asked Joe Biden to tell him what the president's accomplishments were that could fit on a bumper sticker, adding that a bumper sticker was all the space needed. Biden didn't miss a beat. He laughed and said "Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive."

illegal.tender: I know.

But anyway, what proof has been given that OBL's death happened the way the US has said it did? I'm a complete retard, granted. But without attacking me as a person, or others, what proof has been given?


Well if he wasn't dead he would have probably released a video of him holding a newpaper from a date after his death but thats not really the point. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical but there is a pretty big difference between, "I'm skeptical." and "He was a fabrication all along." I was insulting you for the latter not the former.

Well, the reason why this might actually be news is because, prior to the raid, US intelligence didn't really perceive bin Laden as much of a threat, believing him to be isolated and unable to communicate with al-Qaeda leaders effectively.

For example, following the release of a bin Laden audio recording in the days prior to President Obama's inauguration in 2009, Vice President Cheney stated, "Wherever he is, he's in a deep hole. . . . He does not have much impact on [al-Qaeda] as best we can tell." Similarly, President-elect Obama opined that while his "preference, obviously, would be to capture or kill him. . . . if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America."

Later, in the months preceding the raid, President Obama explained that bin Laden and other top al-Qaeda leaders were "holed up in ways that have made it harder for [the organization] to operate."

Even after the raid, the presidential assassination plot that, it was discovered, bin Laden was working on, was dismissed by US officials. Among the reasons that they did not take the threat seriously was that al-Qaeda "lacks the ability to plan, organize and execute complex, catastrophic attacks," and that bin Laden's isolation diminished his ability to communicate within the organization. The thought was that it would take him months to receive a response to an outgoing message.

So any news about his effectiveness in hiding actually is news.

Somacandra: Because People in power are Stupid: He also had ties to the W. Bush whitehouse.

You know, that's one of those little phrase-things that makes me say inside "gosh-darnit, I wish the person who made that assertion gave us just a teensy-bit more information so I could see the evidence for myself. A citation, if you will."

Google Arbusto Oil. Arbusto in Spanish means bush.

Nothing about Sadam or Iraq, though?Whodathunkit.

FormlessOne: Quick! Quick! I discovered that Osama bin Laden had close ties with other organizations & countries, too, through these recently discovered, yet not-so-secret, documents:

Under Operation Cyclone from 1979 to 1989, the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Bin Laden met and built relations with Hamid Gul, who was a three-star general in the Pakistani army and head of the ISI agency. Although the United States provided the money and weapons, the training of militant groups was entirely done by the Pakistani Armed Forces and the ISI.

Never forget Osama bin Laden was our boy first. We armed him, trained him, and used him as our errand boy during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

So because we gave the ISI weapons to give to the mujahdeen, who proceeded to give it to OBL, that makes OBL our boy? The US didn't decide who got the weapons; OBL was never allied with the US (he was always wealthy enough to buy his own toys).

illegal.tender: Egoy3k: LOL herr durp you're such a tard.

No really you are.

I know.

But anyway, what proof has been given that OBL's death happened the way the US has said it did? I'm a complete retard, granted. But without attacking me as a person, or others, what proof has been given?

Ignorance of the evidence, or in your case, hand waving it away because of your preconceived bias does not make you a skeptic, sport.

FTA: "The communications show a three-way..."

/fapped
//news-pr0n is as good as, amirite?

Egoy3k: Well if he wasn't dead he would have probably released a video of him holding a newpaper from a date after his death but thats not really the point. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical but there is a pretty big difference between, "I'm skeptical." and "He was a fabrication all along." I was insulting you for the latter not the former.

Ya gotta admit: "we got him and destroyed the body" sounds a bit like there is more to the story. I'd love to know the whole thing, and it's hard to not speculate.

halfof33: illegal.tender: Egoy3k: LOL herr durp you're such a tard.

No really you are.

I know.

But anyway, what proof has been given that OBL's death happened the way the US has said it did? I'm a complete retard, granted. But without attacking me as a person, or others, what proof has been given?

Ignorance of the evidence, or in your case, hand waving it away because of your preconceived bias does not make you a skeptic, sport.

Ok, so what evidence am I ignorant of? I musta missed it. Seriously, son.

machoprogrammer: So because we gave the ISI weapons to give to the mujahdeen, who proceeded to give it to OBL, that makes OBL our boy? The US didn't decide who got the weapons; OBL was never allied with the US (he was always wealthy enough to buy his own toys).

Mostly correct. Which is why we shouldn't trust the Pakistani ISI further than we can throw them and not trust them to farm out money. Since we didn't warn them of the attack on Bin Ladens' house, the US may have learned this lesson at last.

fireclown: Egoy3k: Well if he wasn't dead he would have probably released a video of him holding a newpaper from a date after his death but thats not really the point. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical but there is a pretty big difference between, "I'm skeptical." and "He was a fabrication all along." I was insulting you for the latter not the former.

Ya gotta admit: "we got him and destroyed the body" sounds a bit like there is more to the story. I'd love to know the whole thing, and it's hard to not speculate.

At worst, Osama had been dead for a while and, by exposing that he was dead, Obama took away al-Qaeda's leader figure for good.

But that's doubtful. The burial at sea was simply the best option; parading around his corpse or releasing the pictures of his death would have been unnecessarily ghoulish.

illegal.tender: Ok, so what evidence am I ignorant of? I musta missed it. Seriously, son.

I'm assuming ALL OF IT? From Al Jazerra? Pakistan? Al Quaeda itself?

You've never heard of any of that? Why don't we start with what you "know" hmmm?

It is fairly difficult to take you seriously, champ, given the fact that you doubt Osama existed, but here is some evidence of the raid, from Al Jazerra and Pakistan:

Not Safe For Work

Did the government pay someone to do this kind of investigation?
I would like those taxes back please and send it to socialized medicine. If your going to piss on the money, at least piss on it for a good cause.

Gotta catapult the propaganda for the anniversary of Obama's big show case piece last year "The Osama Slaying"

Brilliant performances all round! Bravo Bravo Encore! Encore!

4 more years! 4 more years!

I heard that Hitler was a Nazi.

PC LOAD LETTER: Diogenes: colinspooky: Amazing what fake docs can convince some people of

Oh, that would be a beautiful thing.

In the teabaggers' fervor to deny Obama's accomplishments they go so far as to claim it was all a setup. bin Laden was an innocent businessman set up as a patsy.

Baggers becoming Truthers would be the single most significant advancement in Derpistry since the protest of the government takeover of Medicare.

Let's see how they could twist that.....oh yeah easy...

See the attack on the world trade center only seemed to involve planes because some Hollywood special effects wizardry that the Liberal media broadcast to make you believe that they were attacked that way. In fact both were controlled demolitions done with massive bombs. And who do we know that was good with explosives and hates America enough to bomb both the WTC and especially the Pentagon? Why Bill Ayers, of course.

Fresh off Ghost writing Obama's biography and setting him on the path to the presidency (which including the arranging of of marriage between future GOP up-and-comer Jack Ryan to Liberal hollywood actress/double agent Jerri Lynn ZIMMERMAN) Ayers knew he had to do SOMETHING to de-rail the presidency of the Most Conservative conservative ever to be elected by an obvious outpouring of the clearly expressed will of the American people (it only looked close because of Gore's ties to Diebold who owed him for inventing the Internet).


So after bringing the Towers down, Ayers assumed the identity of CIA informant "Cueball" and fed them all sorts of bogus intel about the WMDS Saddam had and his ties to "AL qaeda" (which is nothing more than an Arabic Anagram of "Weather Underground"), thereby duping Bush into invading Iraq.

Ayers then used his ties to George Soros to get the money to buy 100,000 copies of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals which he then distributed to his network of Iraqi community organizers, who then duped thier fellow citizens into no longer greeting the Americans as liberators and instead starting a guerilla war against them.

This ensured what should have been a clean easy victory paid for by the Iraqis themselves out of gratitude, became a 7 year quagmire that forced Bush to deficit spend, even though he didn't want too, and kept him too busy to regulate the Wall Street banks and see How they were under the thrall of Barney Frank and ACORN , being forced to give laons they thought were too risky to let minorities buy homes. With the economy in shambles, and the war in Iraq dragging o, all it took was a few strategic alterations to his Kenyan Birth certificate and a sympatheitc fellow traveller in the Hawaii vital records department, and Ayer's master plan to take away everyone's freedom and engineer the government takeover of Medicare was complete

LordJiro: At worst, Osama had been dead for a while and, by exposing that he was dead, Obama took away al-Qaeda's leader figure for good.

But that's doubtful. The burial at sea was simply the best option; parading around his corpse or releasing the pictures of his death would have been unnecessarily ghoulish.

I thought this at first myself -and I still think it was a reasonable call- but I'm starting to wonder if releasing pictures, while certainly ghoulish, would ultimately have been a better choice. In the US we laugh at the deathers, but in that part of the world the idea that OBL is still alive is serious business: people lived in fear of the man for decades, and even now they hedge their bets. I think we might have stood to get more cooperation in that part of the world if they had been given proof undeniable that the dragon is dead.

I'm going to go ahead and guess the important info wasn't the blindingly obvious fact that Bin Laden was closely tied to these organizations but who these ties were. Bin Laden is a dead link but if we can chase these ties down the rabbit hole we can really cripple them.

Oh, yeah, Bin Laden (Tim Osman). We didn't want to look suspicious so we burned him up and dumped him in the ocean. No need to piss off the Muslims by parading his corpse. They're still getting over the whole dog attacks, corpse abuse, torture and rape at Abu Ghraib.

I think they should have questioned him about his role in the OKC bombing.

Magorn: PC LOAD LETTER: Diogenes: colinspooky: Amazing what fake docs can convince some people of

Oh, that would be a beautiful thing.

In the teabaggers' fervor to deny Obama's accomplishments they go so far as to claim it was all a setup. bin Laden was an innocent businessman set up as a patsy.

Baggers becoming Truthers would be the single most significant advancement in Derpistry since the protest of the government takeover of Medicare.

Let's see how they could twist that.....oh yeah easy...

See the attack on the world trade center only seemed to involve planes because some Hollywood special effects wizardry that the Liberal media broadcast to make you believe that they were attacked that way. In fact both were controlled demolitions done with massive bombs. And who do we know that was good with explosives and hates America enough to bomb both the WTC and especially the Pentagon? Why Bill Ayers, of course.

Fresh off Ghost writing Obama's biography and setting him on the path to the presidency (which including the arranging of of marriage between future GOP up-and-comer Jack Ryan to Liberal hollywood actress/double agent Jerri Lynn ZIMMERMAN) Ayers knew he had to do SOMETHING to de-rail the presidency of the Most Conservative conservative ever to be elected by an obvious outpouring of the clearly expressed will of the American people (it only looked close because of Gore's ties to Diebold who owed him for inventing the Internet).


So after bringing the Towers down, Ayers assumed the identity of CIA informant "Cueball" and fed them all sorts of bogus intel about the WMDS Saddam had and his ties to "AL qaeda" (which is nothing more than an Arabic Anagram of "Weather Underground"), thereby duping Bush into invading Iraq.

Ayers then used his ties to George Soros to get the money to buy 100,000 copies of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals which he then distributed to his network of Iraqi community organizers, who then duped thier fellow citizens into no longer gr ...

Good god, man! Are you the one that writes these that end up in my father's email that he then sends to me. As insane as it is, it is on par with most of what he sends me.

treesloth: I heard that Hitler was a Nazi.

You know who ELSE was a Nazi?

devilEther: I'm pretty sure I've never seen OBL wearing a tie.

You've also never seen him sitting in an Italian restaurant drinking cappuccino with an Oriental woman...


yeah.

Millennium: LordJiro: At worst, Osama had been dead for a while and, by exposing that he was dead, Obama took away al-Qaeda's leader figure for good.

But that's doubtful. The burial at sea was simply the best option; parading around his corpse or releasing the pictures of his death would have been unnecessarily ghoulish.

I thought this at first myself -and I still think it was a reasonable call- but I'm starting to wonder if releasing pictures, while certainly ghoulish, would ultimately have been a better choice. In the US we laugh at the deathers, but in that part of the world the idea that OBL is still alive is serious business: people lived in fear of the man for decades, and even now they hedge their bets. I think we might have stood to get more cooperation in that part of the world if they had been given proof undeniable that the dragon is dead.

Think of our options after killing OBL and tell me which you would have picked?

1) Shoot him and leave his lifeless corpse on the floor of his house: Not only would they deniers be strengthened by this but it would let his followers stage and elaborate funeral and set up a shrine to his memory that will aid them in recruiting.

2) Some variation of dragging his living/lifeless body in chains in triumph through the streets of DC/ Delivering his head in a box to the president: This allows the entire Muslim world to work itself into a frenzy over how we mistreated /defiled his corpse and thereby insulted Islam generally

3) Kill him/run a DNA check to be sure, then dump his body full fathoms deep, with a quick muslim funeral ceremony: Nobody gets to make a shrine out of his grave, nobody gets to get worked up and outraged, and most importantly OBL is just *gone* snatched ot of his stornghold in a supposedly friendly country and turned into fishfood as if he wasn't America's greatest enemy whose death was an accomplishment for the US but merely a fly to be swatted, and annoyance to deal with. That had to be pretty scary/demoralizing for those we left behind to run Al-Q

Otto's_Jacket: You've also never seen him sitting in an Italian restaurant drinking cappuccino with an Oriental woman...

Yay! I eat fish heads, but only the meaty parts and the brains. Eyes are kinda gross, even though I am sure they count as "meaty".

Micronaut: Oh, yeah, Bin Laden (Tim Osman). We didn't want to look suspicious so we burned him up and dumped him in the ocean. No need to piss off the Muslims by parading his corpse. They're still getting over the whole dog attacks, corpse abuse, torture and rape at Abu Ghraib.

After the Ghadaffi parading, I'm not so sure that the muslim world is as uptight about this kind of thing as I have been led to believe.

Otto's_Jacket: devilEther: I'm pretty sure I've never seen OBL wearing a tie.

You've also never seen him sitting in an Italian restaurant drinking cappuccino with an Oriental woman...

yeah.
I took bin-ladin out to see a movie. Didn't have to pay to get him in!

Forgot_my_password_again: ArkPanda: There's always been a small group that had no problem going after Al Qaeda, but couldn't understand why we went after the poor innocent Taliban that had nothing to do with it.

I've ran into a couple of them on fark. they usually bring up a gas pipeline or something like that.

They HAVE to be pretty rare. I mean, I was still in college when most of this shiat originally went down, and was one of those Libby McLiberson college students, (King Moonbat of Liberal Circlejerktopia!) but I never met anybody who didn't (reluctantly) support invading Afghanistan.

Iraq, otoh...

illegal.tender: Dimensio: illegal.tender: It baffles me why so many on Fark seem to think that expressing skepticism is ok when it comes to religion, but utterly and completely ridiculous when applied to government.

You are correct. Government, just like religion, inherently, invariably, and directly invokes supernatural events and a complete suspension of the known physical properties of the universe. The two subjects are thus directly comparable.

At root, yes, they are directly comparable. Scientific skepticism applies to both earthly and supernatural events. Claim you can bend spoons with your mind? Fine, show up at James Randi's office and collect your million bucks. Claim you killed OBL? Fine. Prove it.

But again, asking for physical proof is, judging by Fark's typical response, a completely ridiculous thought. It means that the skeptic is a troofer, a UFO nut, a tinfoil-hat wearing wierdo.

Screw that. I'm a skeptic. I don't believe what people claim without solid proof. I question the governments claims. I'm skeptical about them. Until that skepticism is met, then I don't buy their claims.

That's just science.

"Somebody has to stand up to the experts!"

fireclown: Micronaut: Oh, yeah, Bin Laden (Tim Osman). We didn't want to look suspicious so we burned him up and dumped him in the ocean. No need to piss off the Muslims by parading his corpse. They're still getting over the whole dog attacks, corpse abuse, torture and rape at Abu Ghraib.

After the Ghadaffi parading, I'm not so sure that the muslim world is as uptight about this kind of thing as I have been led to believe.

It's always OK when you do it.It's only barbaric and gravely insulting when others do it.

zweieye: Otto's_Jacket: You've also never seen him sitting in an Italian restaurant drinking cappuccino with an Oriental woman...

Yay! I eat fish heads, but only the meaty parts and the brains. Eyes are kinda gross, even though I am sure they count as "meaty".

Micronaut: Otto's_Jacket: devilEther: I'm pretty sure I've never seen OBL wearing a tie.

You've also never seen him sitting in an Italian restaurant drinking cappuccino with an Oriental woman...

yeah.
I took bin-ladin out to see a movie. Didn't have to pay to get him in!



Now I've got that insipid song stuck in my head and I've only got myself to blame.

Didn't they find the Al Qaeda work order with his signature under "authorized by" in the debris of the twin towers?

how can so many people buy into this bullshiat?

lol

That's Abottobad as things get

Magorn: PC LOAD LETTER: Diogenes: colinspooky: Amazing what fake docs can convince some people of

Oh, that would be a beautiful thing.

In the teabaggers' fervor to deny Obama's accomplishments they go so far as to claim it was all a setup. bin Laden was an innocent businessman set up as a patsy.

Baggers becoming Truthers would be the single most significant advancement in Derpistry since the protest of the government takeover of Medicare.

Let's see how they could twist that.....oh yeah easy...

See the attack on the world trade center only seemed to involve planes because some Hollywood special effects wizardry that the Liberal media broadcast to make you believe that they were attacked that way. In fact both were controlled demolitions done with massive bombs. And who do we know that was good with explosives and hates America enough to bomb both the WTC and especially the Pentagon? Why Bill Ayers, of course.

Fresh off Ghost writing Obama's biography and setting him on the path to the presidency (which including the arranging of of marriage between future GOP up-and-comer Jack Ryan to Liberal hollywood actress/double agent Jerri Lynn ZIMMERMAN) Ayers knew he had to do SOMETHING to de-rail the presidency of the Most Conservative conservative ever to be elected by an obvious outpouring of the clearly expressed will of the American people (it only looked close because of Gore's ties to Diebold who owed him for inventing the Internet).


So after bringing the Towers down, Ayers assumed the identity of CIA informant "Cueball" and fed them all sorts of bogus intel about the WMDS Saddam had and his ties to "AL qaeda" (which is nothing more than an Arabic Anagram of "Weather Underground"), thereby duping Bush into invading Iraq.

Ayers then used his ties to George Soros to get the money to buy 100,000 copies of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals which he then distributed to his network of Iraqi community organizers, who then duped thier fellow citizens into no longer gr ...

wasn't his name "curveball"?

FormlessOne:
Never forget Osama bin Laden was our boy first. We armed him, trained him, and used him as our errand boy during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

He used us as much as we used him.

Osama bin Laden and the mujahideen wanted weapons to repel a Soviet Invasion and we gave them the weapons.

You'd think the bastard would have been grateful.

treesloth: I heard that Hitler was a Nazi.

That's just a rumor started by conservatives to discredit national socialism.

Egoy3k:
The government doesn't know how the internet works, cannot balance a budget, and is running your country into the ground faster than an asteroid, and yet some people choose to believe that somehow they have the ability to outsmart all of us except for the conspiracy theorists.

I don't know why conspiracy theorists bother inventing secret cabals executing complicated plans.

There are plenty of stupid people openly conspiring to screw over their political enemies using the simplest tactics.

They vote in November.

mc6809e: treesloth: I heard that Hitler was a Nazi.

That's just a rumor started by conservatives to discredit national socialism.

Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, but at least it's an ethos.

Magorn: Think of our options after killing OBL and tell me which you would have picked?

I already said in this thread that I believe the call made at the time was a reasonable one. Not just in this thread; I said on this site at the time too.

With the benefit of hindsight, though, look at the situation again. The potential benefits of Option 3 never panned out, because the people who really mattered -the people of that part of the world- didn't believe the story. We still got the cons, and we even got the cons of Option 2: the outrage lasted for maybe a week or two and nothing serious came from it, but it nevertheless played out in a manner consistent with other corpse-mistreatment cases. All without the benefits of any of the options.

The actual treatment of OBL's corpse was a reasonable call to make, given the information at the time. I do not blame anyone for deciding as they did. But there's a lesson here to be learned for future such situations: love is better than fear, but trust is better than either.

Any links to Iraq and Saddam?

Yeah, didn't think so.

Magorn: Let's see how they could twist that.....oh yeah easy...

Not bad at all, but I think it needs a grain of truth to it in order to appeal to all but the most ardent conspiracy theorists. Maybe something about how Sharia law demands that the government provide universal healthcare.

Slaves2Darkness: Anal: Sorry - I've seen the documents and they have layers. LAYERS!

So you are saying they are like cake?

How about a nice parfait? Everybody likes parfaits. I ain't never heard someone say "Oh hell no, I don't want no parfait."

Whew! It's a good thing too, or else, you know..there woulda been some 'splainin to do.

Otto's_Jacket: devilEther: I'm pretty sure I've never seen OBL wearing a tie.

You've also never seen him sitting in an Italian restaurant drinking cappuccino with an Oriental woman...


yeah.

I heard he doesn't play baseball, and he doesn't wear sweaters.

I apologize for doubting my Federal Superior Fellows but this reports comes to us courtesy of the people who stand to gain the most from such data or who desperately needed OBL dead so the CYA files could be set in motion.

/I'm a cynic, what can I say

Egoy3k: The government doesn't know how the internet works, cannot balance a budget, and is running your country into the ground faster than an asteroid, and yet some people choose to believe that somehow they have the ability to outsmart all of us except for the conspiracy theorists.

LOL.

/All true.

Because People in power are Stupid: He also had ties to the W. Bush whitehouse.

/It took a democrat to do what a republican refused to do.

And what another democrat refused to do. On multiple occasions

Clemkadidlefark: I apologize for doubting my Federal Superior Fellows but this reports comes to us courtesy of the people who stand to gain the most from such data or who desperately needed OBL dead so the CYA files could be set in motion.

/I'm a cynic, what can I say

You can say anything you want.
But nobody with any brains is going to listen.

I see some materials will be declassified. Want to bet none of it will substantiate anything they're claiming in the article? National Security reasons, of course.


/a bunch of half-finished Sudoku puzzles and crap like that

jso2897: Clemkadidlefark: I apologize for doubting my Federal Superior Fellows but this reports comes to us courtesy of the people who stand to gain the most from such data or who desperately needed OBL dead so the CYA files could be set in motion.

/I'm a cynic, what can I say

You can say anything you want.
But nobody with any brains is going to listen.

Why not? A requirement for intelligence is uncritically accepting whatever the Defense Department says?

Screw that, thanks.

one quick element that has not been considered... there is no way..NO WAY... that the warriors in SEAL team 6 would allow their reputations to be used for a scam or lie... these are serious men with a serious commitment to integrity...

illegal.tender: jso2897: Clemkadidlefark: I apologize for doubting my Federal Superior Fellows but this reports comes to us courtesy of the people who stand to gain the most from such data or who desperately needed OBL dead so the CYA files could be set in motion.

/I'm a cynic, what can I say

You can say anything you want.
But nobody with any brains is going to listen.

Why not? A requirement for intelligence is uncritically accepting whatever the Defense Department says?

Screw that, thanks.

Well, for one thing, I think a basic requirement for intelligence is not believing that the only possible position to take is one of two extremes.
Skepticism that is based on nothing but an abstract belief that skepticism is good isn't skepticism - it's a lonely shiathead's hobby.
You'd be better off collecting Decepticon action figures.

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Where are all of the documents linking Bin Laden and 9/11 to Iraq and Saddam Hussein? I was assured, by multiple emails forwarded to me by relatives, that Iraq had something to do with 9/11, Al Qdoba and Bin Laden.

They had ties

Dr Jack Badofsky: Because People in power are Stupid: He also had ties to the W. Bush whitehouse.

/It took a democrat to do what a republican refused to do.

And what another democrat refused to do. On multiple occasions

And ANOTHER Republican refused to do.
And ANOTHER Democrat refused to do.
Whatever team you are on, my team is better!
/dumbest argument on the planet after religion

Wait, so fabricated group name made up by Mossad creates made up documents too? so, does this prove that OBL is like, not real either? and how did they get DNA on him hours later? Doesn't DNA take like, weeks or something? Oh- forgot most of you guys believe everything you read/hear.

fleef: Wait, so fabricated group name made up by Mossad creates made up documents too? so, does this prove that OBL is like, not real either? and how did they get DNA on him hours later? Doesn't DNA take like, weeks or something? Oh- forgot most of you guys believe everything you read/hear.

You are either trolling a dead thread, or are a farking ignorant anti-Semitic farkball.

No the Mossad did not make up AQ or OBL,and no it does not take "like" weeks or something to perform DNA matching.

Burn on the "like" burn line about believing everything we read, though, sport. You seem edgy and not at all stupid.