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(Yahoo)   The state of Parenting 2012: Dear Abby, whenever my eight-year-old son loses a game, he takes his anger out by beating our dog. He'll be mad at me if I put him in therapy, so how do I convince my wife to get rid of the dog?   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 345
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2012-04-30 04:41:30 PM

lennavan: GAT_00:

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Oh yeah?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-30 04:43:20 PM
Tatterdemalian
Dissent is racist when the president is African-American.

Look at how stupid you are!
 
2012-04-30 04:55:45 PM
The disturbing thing is that it follows pretty sound logic [to some].
 
2012-04-30 04:58:45 PM

1.21jigawatts: Wow, this sounds surprisingly similar to my boyfriends nephew. Except it actually took the kid killing their family dog ( 2yr old peekanese I think ) and their little bird to finally send the kid to a psychiatrist. He hasn't killed anything/one in two years, that we know of. But he's only 9 and the parents still have a 3yr old daughter to worry about. She likes to bite. She tried to bite my hand once because I wouldn't give her the tv remote and I yelled at her pretty loudly NO. Parents are still pissed at me for it.


Words cannot express.
 
2012-04-30 05:04:38 PM
1. Buy your child small animals that are easily killed, give them as presents when he is upset.
2. put the child in a class where he can dissect small animals...fetal pigs, cats. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!
3. buy the child more small animals to practice on, make sure your child kills them...maybe encourage live dissection
4. pay a neighbor girl to make your child fall in love with her, make sure her love is only given when he is being cruel
5. then have her scorn and embarrass him publicly.
6. also withhold your love and affection to the child
 
2012-04-30 05:16:06 PM

punistation: lennavan: GAT_00:

[img.myconfinedspace.com image 500x374]

Oh yeah?

[i.imgur.com image 500x374]


so close...
 
2012-04-30 05:25:43 PM
Assuming it's true, this one of the few situations where a full force slap across the face is not only justified, it's very necessary. Teaches the little farker empathy and how to actually feel the same amount of pain the dog's going through.
 
2012-04-30 05:26:05 PM

mcwehrle: The_Sponge: stupid crap ...

wut?

that was one of the dumbest things I've ever read on FARK.



I was quoting a movie, homie.
 
2012-04-30 05:28:38 PM

scarmig: macadamnut: NSCSB:

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Sam the Shop Dog - rescued by my old boss from some abusive scumbag; was put down after one of her idiot sons grabbed him from behind while he was eating from his bowl after a day at the shop. Surprise! Dog jumped around and took a bite out of the kid's face.
I say the dog acted perfectly within his rights.

Yeah, dog was in the right.
Kid was in the wrong. Dog should not have been punished for this.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-30 05:39:16 PM

The_Sponge: mcwehrle: The_Sponge: stupid crap ...

wut?

that was one of the dumbest things I've ever read on FARK.


I was quoting a movie, homie.


I eventually figured that out, then work got in the way. My apologies to you.

I do not have depth of movielore.

Again, my apologies.

*handshake*
 
2012-04-30 05:41:51 PM
ASSUMING that the letter wasn't a) a professionally written troll-letter for Dear Abby or b) someone trolling Dear Abby:

The kid not only needs therapy, but quite possibly needs Baker Acted and may need specialised therapy in a SECURE setting--in fact, IMHO the parents should be preparing themselves NOW for the likelihood the kid is going to end up in one institution or another:

a) At the very least, kidlet has a SERIOUS issue with anger management, and I'd be shocked if he's not gotten in trouble at school/other social functions in past in regards to this.

b) As many others have noted, harm to animals at a young age (especially beating and/or killing pets at a young age, especially before puberty) is one of the classic signs of sociopathy--what would probably be diagnosed at his age as some sort of Oppositional Defiant Disorder or the DSM V equivalent, and what in adulthood would be diagnosed as antisocial personality disorder (the DSM IV phrasing for "freaking sociopath with no farking conscience whatsoever").

c) The parents best HOPE it's just an anger management issue, because THAT is at least theoretically treatable; true sociopathic personality disorders have positively dismal treatment rates and true sociopaths--if they're dysfunctional enough to be to the puppy-beating and possibly puppy-killing stage before puberty--almost inevitably end up institutionalised either in the mental health system (in state mental hospital secure wards) or in the prison system (in maximum security if not supermax) when they decide to take out their aggressions on perceived-weaker sophonts rather than "dumb animals".

(Yes, treatment rates for actual violent sociopaths are so friggin' dismal that the death penalty can be legitimately argued to constitute a form of euthanasia--there is nothing to be done, the people responsible are intrinsically broken in a way that we don't know how to fix and may be as intrinsically unfixable as the state of your average feral child. (YOU try teaching a kid raised by wolves up to his teens how to be the inheritor of the legacy of Miss Manners, and you get the approximate level of difficulty of teaching a true sociopath conscience--and even THEN the wolf-child may have a leg up, and not just in the terms of territorial marking.))
 
2012-04-30 05:47:54 PM

mcwehrle: I eventually figured that out, then work got in the way. My apologies to you.

I do not have depth of movielore.

Again, my apologies.

*handshake*



No worries.
 
2012-04-30 05:48:57 PM
Dear shiatty parent:

Try being the alpha in the house and slap your son in the face when he talks back to you. If he says he will hate you forever tell him forever is a long time and it's going to be hard to live on your own now with no money when you kick him out of the house for disrespecting the people who keep you warm and safe from people who would really want to hurt and butt rape you. Now go cut the lawn before my slappin' hand gets a flappin' again.
 
2012-04-30 06:09:54 PM

Magorn: In all seriousness though, the last time I checked, hurting an animal is the first red flag for "future serial killer"


Yes, it's part of the Macdonald Triad.
 
2012-04-30 06:16:00 PM
Smother kid, make new one. Problem solved.
 
2012-04-30 06:31:28 PM
Watch out, beating dogs turns into eating dogs later on in life.
Liberalism 101
 
2012-04-30 06:37:30 PM

mr_a: 1. Borrow a big mean dog from somebody for a while. Next time the little monster's team loses a game, hopefully some half-rabid wolf-hybrid will take a bite out of his raised hand and fist. That will get your son the sensitivity training he desperately needs.


After all, that's how puppies learn how to behave. Should work for humans, too.
 
2012-04-30 06:40:04 PM
Screw this guy and screw his farking kid. His precious little snowflake sounds like a precious little sociopath in the making unless, of course, he's get some farking discipline. Next time he pulls that, take his video game away. He'll cry and scream but he'll get over it and maybe learn something in the process.

/why is it that many of the ppl who have kids are the exact sorts of ppl who shouldn't have kids?
 
2012-04-30 07:26:08 PM
Kill the kid. End of issue.
I'll head over and take care of that for you if you would like.
 
2012-04-30 07:53:29 PM
Every time he lays a finger on the dog they should beat the kid.
 
2012-04-30 08:13:16 PM
I take great pleasure in thrashing my six-year-old son in whatever game we're playing, for as long as it lasts. It has the added advantage of getting him used to losing.

If he whines, particularly if it's PS3/PC, then it gets turned off.

/not as cruel as I sound
 
2012-04-30 08:55:14 PM

Rubix^3: Dear shiatty parent:

Try being the alpha in the house and slap your son in the face when he talks back to you. If he says he will hate you forever tell him forever is a long time and it's going to be hard to live on your own now with no money when you kick him out of the house for disrespecting the people who keep you warm and safe from people who would really want to hurt and butt rape you. Now go cut the lawn before my slappin' hand gets a flappin' again.


Yeah my pop would have said something like that to me, except he'd be holding me 2 feet off the ground by the hair on the side of my head. I'm 31 now and I love my parents. The best things they ever did for me was not put up with my shiat, never tried to be my friend, kicked me out of the house when I need it and didn't let me back when it would have done no good. People don't seem to understand they are not giving birth to potential friends. On one end of the spectrum you have Pol Pot Hitler etc. on the other you have Mother Theresa and the Dali Lama. Your parenting helps decide what part of the spectrum little Jr. sonofabiatch falls on.
 
2012-04-30 11:31:10 PM
Simple. Just tell the kid not to think about the game. Because that's how one loses the game.

/THE GAME
 
2012-05-01 02:22:34 AM
Get rid of the kid and keep the dog.
 
2012-05-01 02:41:13 AM
Many Parents are such pussies these days. The bratty kids own them--I could never be owned by a child. Get backbones, you shiatty parents.
 
2012-05-01 03:46:03 AM

RibbyK: Beaver1224: Reading the headline, I thought subby HAD to have made that up. Reading the article, I see that Abby made it up instead. /Just too farkin' ridiculous

Agreed. I have a nine-year-old boy who hangs with dozens of other 8-10 year olds. None of them ever came close to this kind of behavior.

/I never thought to troll Dear Abby!


I suppose this has been covered, but son, we've been trolling Dear Abby since long before yer new-fangled computers were invented.

She catches most of 'em.
 
2012-05-01 04:11:02 AM
Dear concerned dad,


Your son has a promising career as a serial killer unless you get him therapy NOW.

Sincerely,

Society
 
2012-05-01 04:15:24 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: dosboot: Weaver95: Smeggy Smurf: Have the President over for dinner. I hear he likes dog. Problem solved.

you were beaten often as a child, weren't you?


Tough luck Weaver95, it's an Obama eat dog world.

well...no offense, but most GOP shills on fark don't seem very sane. it's almost like they were toilet trained at gunpoint or something.

You're sadly mistaken if you think I'm a Republitard. That party left me long ago.

so you're just a racist then?

You used to be cool. WTF happened? Nobody really gives a shiat about skin color except the left. It seems to be the only thing that matters to them anymore. The rest of us care more about not being a commie pinko.


If you honestly don't believe there's still a lot of straight up old-school racists running around this country then I have to imagine you just don't interact with a lot of people in real life. Heh, or maybe I just meet all of them.
 
2012-05-01 04:28:56 AM

Tatterdemalian: SweetSilverBlues: [Citation_needed.jpg]

Dissent is racist when the president is African-American.

Not hard to figure out.

/if Hillary had won the 2008 primary, dissent would be misogynist


How about this.... Calling Obama dog meat jokes "dissent" is way more ridiculous than calling 'em "racist" Whether the jokes are funny is a different issue... so far, nope, they're pretty lame. You all disappoint me.
 
2012-05-01 04:41:02 AM

Trance750: elev8meL8r: Trance750: elev8meL8r: Hyppy: Trance750: (regarding Dan Savage) Considering his fans are the same ones who listen to Rush Limbaugh, he mat be just in the South

Something tells me you have no earthly idea of what you speak.

I suspect he's thinking of Michael Savage.

Can't believe I didn't even farking see that. Yes you are correct.

Eh, same last name and all. Most of us are kinda scanning here. Easy mistake on first pass.

I was going to make a crack about how Dan Savage likes a dick, and Michael Savage is a dick. I stopped short of that because, while I hardly ever agree with conservative talk radio, I'm mostly unfamiliar with Michael Savage's particular brand.

I've only heard him once or twice. You know Mark Levin? Now just imagine it 100 times worse.


I've stumbled across Michael Savage a few times while driving to work... one day he was going off about Indians and saying something like (this is very close.. I wish I could find a transcript of it; I've been looking and if anyone could help I'd like to have it for when i tell this story) "Don't let any of these liberal historians tell you Indians were anything but utter savages before we came here.... if a stranger came to an Indian village with his child, they would skin him alive and make his child watch." and later.... "we should give blacks casinos too... there's no gang problem on the reservation"

The guy is bugshiat insane and ignorant and poisonous.
 
2012-05-01 05:00:50 AM
Huh. I'm guessing the story is a Troll, but just in case it isn't... dear Gods, please let this be a Troll!... there is a simple solution to the problem, in addition to the therapy he clearly needs:

Child loses game. Child strikes dog in frustration and anger. Sit child down and explain to them that this is not acceptable. Place in the corner for an hour. If child does anything but stand quietly in the corner, add additional time. After the first hour, give the kid a chair to sit in, but they remain in the corner until they can spend an hour there without fussing or making a sound.

Next time child reacts badly and strikes the dog, back into the corner he goes, this time for two hours. Follow previous corner etiquette until child can be calm for appointed amount of time.

Third time child reacts badly, it's three hours in the corner, and so on. Then again, the dog should probably just be put up for adoption immediately, and you can just put the kid in the corner ANYTIME they act badly.

No violence necessary, just a firm will to show that there are consequences to one's actions. Even at eight years old, a child understands that being in the corner SUCKS, and they will do whatever it takes to stay out of there.
 
2012-05-01 09:21:57 AM

MmmmBacon: No violence necessary, just a firm will to show that there are consequences to one's actions. Even at eight years old, a child understands that being in the corner SUCKS, and they will do whatever it takes to stay out of there.


Yeah, but causality doesn't take hold in most child brains until about the age of 10, however empathy takes hold earlier. Also, this sort of punishment isn't going to take hold, negative punishment doesn't work so well on children, where as positive punishment, aka swat to the bottom, takes much better and allows for behavioral modification much faster as well as giving it more permanence.

I know it's Wiki, but it's pretty accurate even before an expert is consulted.

/but you don't care, do you?
 
2012-05-01 09:33:08 AM

mr_a: 1. Borrow a big mean dog from somebody for a while. Next time the little monster's team loses a game, hopefully some half-rabid wolf-hybrid will take a bite out of his raised hand and fist. That will get your son the sensitivity training he desperately needs.


Guy I work with has a 1/4 Malamute 3/4 Timberwolf dog. Probably the sweetest damn dog I've even seen. 120 lbs, and it follows him around like a puppy.

I'd say give the kid a pitbull that was found wandering the ghetto with a heavy gauge steel chainlink collar and dragging a truck tire.

/Yes, I know, Pitbulls are generaly sweet dogs. Unless you find one in the ghetto with a chainlink collar.
 
2012-05-01 09:57:06 AM
Find that poor animal the good home it deserves and then go to counseling as a family; you are all farked up. The kid is 8, it may be too late to reverse all the damage, but it might be reduced a bit.

Also, kid says he will hate dad forever if he has to go to counseling? At 8 years old? What the hell did they do to this poor child? My eldest is almost 7 and can't get enough of snuggling up to us to read, playing together, or telling us he loves us. Turn off that damn video game and interact with your kid!
 
2012-05-01 10:15:53 AM

MmmmBacon: Then again, the dog should probably just be put up for adoption immediately,


Yeah. Because the dog should be sent off to a kill shelter and away from the only owner it's had it's entire life, because of a monstrous child and father who should not be breathing.

/Not to mention getting rid of the dog is a dick move to the wife who's dog it is.
 
2012-05-01 10:19:08 AM

Moonfisher: Find that poor animal the good home it deserves


I hope you are talking about the kid when you say animal, and I hope you mean "abandoned on a freeway median" when you say good home.

The dog has a good home, with it's master, the wife.

The husband says "My child beats my wife's dog, how do I get rid of the dog?" and somehow you believe that the child and husband shouldn't be removed from the equation but the dog should be?

What did the dog ever do to be ripped from it's master?
 
2012-05-01 10:28:13 AM

Gary Coleman's kidneys: Beaver1224: Reading the headline, I thought subby HAD to have made that up. Reading the article, I see that Abby made it up instead.

/Just too farkin' ridiculous

Agreed....shenanigans for sure. Patches?? Give me a break...


It's the Elis. Those dorks from Yale are always trying to put one over on Abbey.
 
2012-05-01 11:48:17 AM

ghostfacekillahrabbit: Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: dosboot: Weaver95: Smeggy Smurf: Have the President over for dinner. I hear he likes dog. Problem solved.

you were beaten often as a child, weren't you?


Tough luck Weaver95, it's an Obama eat dog world.

well...no offense, but most GOP shills on fark don't seem very sane. it's almost like they were toilet trained at gunpoint or something.

You're sadly mistaken if you think I'm a Republitard. That party left me long ago.

so you're just a racist then?

You used to be cool. WTF happened? Nobody really gives a shiat about skin color except the left. It seems to be the only thing that matters to them anymore. The rest of us care more about not being a commie pinko.

If you honestly don't believe there's still a lot of straight up old-school racists running around this country then I have to imagine you just don't interact with a lot of people in real life. Heh, or maybe I just meet all of them.


The only racists I come across are the ones blaming whitey for their problems. It helps to surround yourself with good people and not trash.
 
2012-05-01 12:34:55 PM
You need a license to fish, but not to have kids.

This is why America is so screwed. Idiots like this have raised an entire generation of mindless, maladjusted sociopaths. Geezus, I lived in FEAR of my dad and this puss-bag is worried about hurting his snow flake's widdle-bitty feelings?!
 
2012-05-01 01:39:35 PM

900RR: You need a license to fish, but not to have kids.

This is why America is so screwed. Idiots like this have raised an entire generation of mindless, maladjusted sociopaths. Geezus, I lived in FEAR of my dad and this puss-bag is worried about hurting his snow flake's widdle-bitty feelings?!


I think he is worried because little diddie-kins is the only thing protecting him from the sorcerous little punk he has trapped under his stairs.
 
2012-05-01 03:07:37 PM
Why are the solutions always being framed as either get rid of the dog or discipline the kid? There is a third course of action out there.

While the father plays a game with the boy which has been set up for him to lose, the wife needs to TAKE THE FREAKING DOG FOR A WALK!

Without easy access to a passive punching bag, the kid might just have to confront his feelings for once instead of descending into a rage when he loses.
 
2012-05-01 03:51:26 PM

Smeggy Smurf: ghostfacekillahrabbit: Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: dosboot: Weaver95: Smeggy Smurf: Have the President over for dinner. I hear he likes dog. Problem solved.

you were beaten often as a child, weren't you?


Tough luck Weaver95, it's an Obama eat dog world.

well...no offense, but most GOP shills on fark don't seem very sane. it's almost like they were toilet trained at gunpoint or something.

You're sadly mistaken if you think I'm a Republitard. That party left me long ago.

so you're just a racist then?

You used to be cool. WTF happened? Nobody really gives a shiat about skin color except the left. It seems to be the only thing that matters to them anymore. The rest of us care more about not being a commie pinko.

If you honestly don't believe there's still a lot of straight up old-school racists running around this country then I have to imagine you just don't interact with a lot of people in real life. Heh, or maybe I just meet all of them.

The only racists I come across are the ones blaming whitey for their problems. It helps to surround yourself with good people and not trash.


Heh, I'm not talking about my friends. I am talking about people of all different education and income levels. You can call them trash if you want; I certainly wouldn't disagree with you, but whether they're trash or not is completely irrelevent to the question of whether they exist.
 
2012-05-01 03:57:00 PM
This guy sounds like a Duke fan.
 
2012-05-01 04:02:02 PM

Do you know the way to Mordor: Why are the solutions always being framed as either get rid of the dog or discipline the kid? There is a third course of action out there.

While the father plays a game with the boy which has been set up for him to lose, the wife needs to TAKE THE FREAKING DOG FOR A WALK!

Without easy access to a passive punching bag, the kid might just have to confront his feelings for once instead of descending into a rage when he loses.


I made a similar point upthread but you know what? That's a really good idea.
 
2012-05-02 05:14:37 AM

what the cat dragged in: Do you know the way to Mordor: Why are the solutions always being framed as either get rid of the dog or discipline the kid? There is a third course of action out there.

While the father plays a game with the boy which has been set up for him to lose, the wife needs to TAKE THE FREAKING DOG FOR A WALK!

Without easy access to a passive punching bag, the kid might just have to confront his feelings for once instead of descending into a rage when he loses.

I made a similar point upthread but you know what? That's a really good idea.


Funny how we had the same idea- I guess great minds think alike!
 
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