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(CNN)   Applying GOP logic to Obama "taking credit away from the SEALS", how dare Eisenhower take credit for D-Day, Patton for winning the Battle of the Bulge, and that pesky MacArthur for taking back the Philippines   (edition.cnn.com) divider line 689
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2012-04-30 10:13:23 AM  

Jake Havechek: I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.

-- George W. Bush


Let's give George W. Bush the credit that he deserves. He made the tough decision to send American troops to invade Iraq to find the terrorists that plotted the 9/11 campaign, including Osama Bin Laden. The mere fact that W is horrible with Geography should not take away from his courageous decision.
 
2012-04-30 10:14:27 AM  
A commander in the chain of command is responsible for everything his command does and fails to do. He's the Commander-in-Chief, of course he's responsible for the mission. Don't make me get Jayne to explain the chain of command to you.

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2012-04-30 10:14:32 AM  
I wonder why the GOP thinks that FDR wasn't involved at any point with Operation Overlord, or that FDR wouldn't have suffered any backlash if the Normandy landings hadn't been successful. On the morning of June 6, 1944, I guarantee Roosevelt was sitting in a room with his high-ranking Cabinet and military officers waiting for news on how the invasion was progressing.
 
2012-04-30 10:16:02 AM  

MyRandomName: Yes. A one day low man op is exactly the same as the planning that went into world war 2. Seriously a dumb conjecture.


Which begs the question: why didn't Bush do it if it was so easy? bin Laden had lived there since 2002.
 
2012-04-30 10:17:16 AM  
Of course he's going to run on killing bin Laden.

The Democrats have been getting slapped around for being weak on foreign policy since the Cold War. This is the first election in recent memory where a Democrat holds a clear advantage on the "Tough on Communists/Terrorists" issue. I may be wrong, but I think you'd have to go all the way back to LBJ to find the last time this happened.
 
2012-04-30 10:17:17 AM  

thomps: Team Obama released a video on Friday, partially narrated by former President Bill Clinton, that praised the president's decision to order the killing of the al Qaeda chief one year from Tuesday and questioned whether Romney would have made the same choice.

i don't know if it's "taking credit away from the SEALS," but questioning whether romney would have made the same choice is cheap politics.


Its wierd watching the guy who said no multiple times in regards to taking out OBL make up hypotheticals involving someone else.
 
2012-04-30 10:18:23 AM  
So, Obama is a general now?
 
2012-04-30 10:18:31 AM  
Obligatory:

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2012-04-30 10:18:50 AM  

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Wouldn't the analogy here be crediting Franklin Delano Roosevelt, not the respective military commanders? Further, the examples aren't even consistent: why credit Patton for the Battle of the Bulge but not Omar Bradley Frederick Morgan for D-Day? Both were under the command of Eisenhower at the time.



FTFY...Morgan was the architect of Overlord.
 
2012-04-30 10:18:57 AM  

Forgot_my_password_again: Both seem to piss off republicans.


Seems to be they wish it was the other way around.
 
2012-04-30 10:19:00 AM  
GOP logic

GOP... logic


go ahead and say it out loud. doesn't feel right, does it?
 
2012-04-30 10:19:05 AM  
animalnewyork.com

Hot like Obama killing bin Laden.
 
2012-04-30 10:19:26 AM  
Since Nixon, Republicans have been purporting the myth that only they know how to wield military power and all members of the U.S. military are Republicans.
To get shown up by a "socialist" with zero military experience is truly embarrassing.
But the biggest assault on al Qaida was conducted by the American people when they voted Obama into office. It blew all bin Laden's talking points to pieces.
 
2012-04-30 10:20:16 AM  
It's simple. The President of the United States is the Commander in Chief of the military, who should be respected by all military members as a superior and senior officer, whose orders are executed, and who cannot be criticized by active military servicemen and women without consequences (insubordination), who through the chain of command is ultimately responsible for the behavior, good or bad, of all his subordinates...

...unless he's that damn socialist Kenyan Fartbama. Respect the SEALS, morans! Ooo-rah! USA! USA!
 
2012-04-30 10:20:49 AM  

imontheinternet: I may be wrong, but I think you'd have to go all the way back to LBJ to find the last time this happened.


Mr. Johnson, of course, was then wildly successful and highly lauded for his foreign policy decisions. They're just there in an advisory capacity, after all.

// No real point pertaining to anything.
/ Except that LBJ was terrible.
/ Brilliant idear, thar, bro.
 
2012-04-30 10:21:02 AM  

jigger: So, Obama is a general now?


Actually, he's a step above them.
 
2012-04-30 10:21:30 AM  
So let me get this right. Obama is responsible for the actions of individual servicemen when they are picking up prostitutes and he should be criticized for that. But when he orders the intelligence community to re-focus on Bin Laden, then orders the operation that kills him, he is not responsible for that and deserves no credit.
 
2012-04-30 10:22:27 AM  
Let 0bama run on the fact that 0sama is dead platform.

People realize that he can't kill 0sama again.

The more he can distract people from the economy, the better off he is.
 
2012-04-30 10:23:46 AM  

Muta: [animalnewyork.com image 300x399]

Hot like Obama killing bin Laden.


is that the same cliff that herman cain murders animals from?
 
2012-04-30 10:24:24 AM  

qorkfiend: jigger: So, Obama is a general now?

Actually, he's a step above them.


So it was FDR and Truman that deserved the real credit.

And the president answers to the "American People." Hey, we're war heroes.
 
2012-04-30 10:24:59 AM  

Giltric: FTFY...Morgan was the architect of Overlord.


I was going for a comparison between his examples: both Patton and Omar (the principle field commander of the Americans during the invasion) were nominally under Dwight Eisenhower.
 
2012-04-30 10:25:32 AM  
The asshole made the SEALs stand ready waiting for the "gutsy" order to put a bullet in bin laden's head while he slept on it.
 
2012-04-30 10:25:35 AM  
Number of Bin Ladens killed during the Bush Administration in 6 years: 0
Number of Bin Ladens killed during the Obama Administration in 3 years: 1

Number of tyrannical regimes toppled with 0 loss of American lives during Bush Administration: 0
Number of tyrannical regimes toppled with 0 loss of American lives during Obama Administration: 1

Number of hostage-taking pirates shot in the head during Bush Administration: 0
Number of hostage-taking pirates shot in the head during Obama Administration: 3

any questions?
 
2012-04-30 10:26:34 AM  

thomps: Team Obama released a video on Friday, partially narrated by former President Bill Clinton, that praised the president's decision to order the killing of the al Qaeda chief one year from Tuesday and questioned whether Romney would have made the same choice.

i don't know if it's "taking credit away from the SEALS," but questioning whether romney would have made the same choice is cheap politics.


keylock71:
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"It's not fair!!!! Accusing others of being weak and unamerican is our thing!!!"
 
2012-04-30 10:27:09 AM  
These are the same biatches who praised Bush for taking out Saddam.
 
2012-04-30 10:27:16 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Let 0bama run on the fact that 0sama is dead platform.

People realize that he can't kill 0sama again.

The more he can distract people from the economy, the better off he is.


And Bush and the rest of the GOP couldn't kill him once.

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2012-04-30 10:27:56 AM  

Lord_Baull: Number of tyrannical regimes toppled with 0 loss of American lives during Obama Administration: 1


Are you not counting Tunisia and Egypt?
 
2012-04-30 10:28:19 AM  
Did we really just compare Eisenhower and D-Day to Obama and Bin laden? Really?
 
2012-04-30 10:29:14 AM  
And yet, the GOP has no problem giving Osama Bin Laden all the credit for 9/11...
 
2012-04-30 10:29:19 AM  
Let's put this to bed. According to various newspaper accounts

Obama chose to do a raid instead of a drone strike.

Obama chose not to inform Pakistan about the raid.

Obama's insistence on a larger raiding force is what let them escape when one of the helicopters failed.

It's not really fair to say what Romney would have done in such a situation but killing Bin Laden was far more than just saying "Yep. Do it."
 
2012-04-30 10:29:46 AM  

EWreckedSean: Did we really just compare Eisenhower and D-Day to Obama and Bin laden? Really?


Well, Saddam Hussein was the new Hitler, most definitely.
 
2012-04-30 10:30:01 AM  
GOP "logic" -

CEO's of companies are entitled to their promised bonuses because their critical decision making and acceptance of responsibility require fortitude that their rank and file are unaware of. The average factory worker may be the direct cause of increased production and increased profits, but it is the executives at the top who direct the rank and file and bring a company to prosperity.

What? The Commander In Socialism told the SEALS what to do? Who cares? Always support the rank and file of the military!
 
2012-04-30 10:30:06 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: The asshole made the SEALs stand ready waiting for the "gutsy" order to put a bullet in bin laden's head while he slept on it.


You America hating bastard. How much does al qaeda pay you?
 
2012-04-30 10:30:25 AM  

Diogenes: Obama accomplished in three years what Bush failed to accomplish in eight.


Implying that Bush even tried.
 
2012-04-30 10:30:58 AM  

odinsposse: It's not really fair to say what Romney would have done in such a situation


Consult his lawyers.
 
2012-04-30 10:31:27 AM  
Tippecanoe and Tyler too!
 
2012-04-30 10:31:44 AM  

Il Douchey: SealTeam6: "Mr. President, we have located BinLaden, should we kill him or let him go?"
Obama: "Uh, kill him"

Oh yeah, that ranks right up there with Operation Overlord. Never again can we doubt Barry's military prowess. This man has been in the trenches, confronted Hell straight on, and he did not flinch. Yes, he will flaunt this hard earned military gravitas -can you blame him?


Conservatives will forever be butthurt over the fact that 9/11 happened under Bush's watch. So of course they have to belittle anything Obama successfully does because then they can convince themselves that the President doesn't really do that much and thus Bush isn't really to blame for anything.
 
2012-04-30 10:31:51 AM  
Anyone know why the Democrats didn't have the guts to execute Timothy McVeigh after he was convicted and sentenced to death? It's hard to understand considering how gutsy Democrats are.
 
2012-04-30 10:32:11 AM  

odinsposse: It's not really fair to say what Romney would have done in such a situation but killing Bin Laden was far more than just saying "Yep. Do it."


Yeah, well, Barry Goldwater would've nuked'em. So suck on that, Rom-ama!

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2012-04-30 10:32:26 AM  

JerseyTim: Smart play by the GOP. Their nominee is weak on foreign policy. Romney waivers too much to seem credible enough to make the tough decisions Obama has had too make. They can downplay Obama's national security strength, but sooner or later, they're going to have to face up to Romney's wimpiness.


and i suppose obamas foreign policy experience in 2008 was any better? What did he do, organize a cinco de mayo community fair?
 
2012-04-30 10:32:33 AM  

Slooper: "We don't need to spike the football... We don't trot out this stuff as trophies" -President Obama, May 2011

...unless, of course, it would make an AWESOME campaign commercial. And, I gotta admit... it would.


Obama's quote was about the physical body. The commercial is about the event/incident.

/dumbass
 
2012-04-30 10:33:13 AM  

tomWright: JerseyTim: Smart play by the GOP. Their nominee is weak on foreign policy. Romney waivers too much to seem credible enough to make the tough decisions Obama has had too make. They can downplay Obama's national security strength, but sooner or later, they're going to have to face up to Romney's wimpiness.

and i suppose obamas foreign policy experience in 2008 was any better? What did he do, organize a cinco de mayo community fair?


pulaski day, you son of a biatch.
 
2012-04-30 10:33:55 AM  

Jake Havechek: Noam Chimpsky: The asshole made the SEALs stand ready waiting for the "gutsy" order to put a bullet in bin laden's head while he slept on it.

You America hating bastard. How much does al qaeda pay you?


Would you have slept on it?
 
2012-04-30 10:34:04 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Let 0bama run on the fact that 0sama is dead platform.

People realize that he can't kill 0sama again.

The more he can distract people from the economy, the better off he is.


Which brings up another interesting issue. Do Republicans prefer to keep their "boogeymen" like Osama Bin Laden alive for political reasons?
 
2012-04-30 10:34:14 AM  

Jake Havechek: 1. Mitt Romney is "too rich" to be president. Mitt Romney's net worth is almost identical ($250 million) to the Democratic Party's 2004 nominee, John Kerry ($240 million). If Democrats had no problem with a rich guy running for president in 2004, why now?


Kerry lost, and maybe you did not realize it, but a lot of Democrats had a huge problem with Kerry, because of how disconnected he seemed from our concerns. His wealth was a hindrance to him understanding how we viewed the world and it cost him the election.


2. President Obama killed Osama bin Laden: Romney might not have. The Navy SEALS, not Barack Obama, killed Osama bin Laden. To suggest otherwise is an insult to their bravery and valor. Besides, does any serious person honestly believe that any president--of either party--would not have pulled the trigger when informed that Osama bin Laden was in the cross-hairs? Really?

Pulling that trigger, as you put it, was a potential huge political liability. A failed action against OBL in Pakistan would have been a huge liability in the upcoming election. George Bush, a friend and buisness associate of the Laden family, let him escape at Tora Bora and refused to peruse him.

I don't believe any Republican president would have pulled that trigger, because of their political association with the Bin Laden family and the ramifications to that association. It took a Democrat to kill Osama Bin Laden and only a Democrat could do it.


3. Young people will vote for President Obama again because he is "cooler" than Romney, as is evidenced by his appearances on Jimmy Fallon. College-age voters are over "cool." They want jobs and can't find them. One out of every two college graduates will soon hit the Obama economy's wall of reality and join the growing ranks of the unemployed. Romney may not be "cool," but he looks like that family friend mom and dad said to go see because his successful company is hiring. Put simply, Romney may not be the "iPod President," but he sure looks like the "Paycheck President." And that's very cool.


Maybe you have not been paying attention, but young people are fatigued, disappointed in Obama, but don't like Republicans in general and Romney specifically. They won't be showing up much in this election. Unless there is a huge change between now and November you can pretty much count the young vote out of this election.


4. President Obama is fighting those evil meany Republicans and their "War on Women." The Obama economy has been a disaster for female employment. Nine out of ten jobs lost under Obama belonged to women. Female voters are over the "hope and change." They have kids to feed and family budgets to balance. They want to work and earn higher wages. Obama has failed to produce either.


Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahah! That you believe this tripe is amazing. Yes the economy has been a disaster for the working class, but remind me again which party held the economy hostage last year? Oh yeah that would be the Republicans, which party slowed the recovery by at least two to three years, oh yeah that would be the Republicans.

Yes people are tired of this economy, but the problem the Republicans have is that the people are not blaming Obama exclusively. They are blaming everybody, Obama and the Democrats for not being able to overcome or work a deal with the Republicans, and the Republicans for being obstructionist asshats.

If the Republicans would shut up about issues that affect women instead of being solidly against them every time this problem might go away, but they just can't help expressing their ideas about women and their ideas are that women are second class citizens.

Republicans can't win on the economy the best they can do is to neutralize the Presidents slight advantage on that issue.


5. President Obama grew up poor and therefore has more compassion and willingness to maintain the social safety net. President Obama's parents were professors, hardly a destitute upbringing (the Washington Post says Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, Obama's mother, made what would today be a $123,000 salary-a figure that would place her in the top six percent of all individual income ea ...


Not sure what your point is? A $123,000 today is upper middle class not rich, and Obama has a whole lot more experience with the poor and middle class then Romney, he sure as hell as a ton more empathy and it shows.

Romney keeps trying to play a Man of the People card and every time he or his wife say something stupid that makes them look like gigantic tools. He would be better off accepting that he is a rich elite white guy and play up the better then you angle. Sure people might not like it, but I think a lot more would respond to the idea that because of his wealth, education, and position in society that he has a plan and that plan will be good for the US and all her citizens.

If Romney played up that he is a leader of the people because of all his advantages, not despite of them, that he can see the big picture and has a plan I think that would resonate with the people more then his weak assed attempts to be a man of the people, salt of the earth, common folk.

I'm of the opinion that nothing but a massive scandal or disaster will change the outcome of this election between now and November. The US population is set, we know who we are voting for and the Republicans are going to lose the Presidency, retain the Senate and Congress, but lose some seats. We could hold the election today and again in November and I am of the opinion the results will be the same.
 
2012-04-30 10:34:22 AM  

Lord_Baull: Number of Bin Ladens killed during the Bush Administration in 6 years: 0
Number of Bin Ladens killed during the Obama Administration in 3 years: 1

Number of tyrannical regimes toppled with 0 loss of American lives during Bush Administration: 0
Number of tyrannical regimes toppled with 0 loss of American lives during Obama Administration: 1

Number of hostage-taking pirates shot in the head during Bush Administration: 0
Number of hostage-taking pirates shot in the head during Obama Administration: 3

any questions?


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2012-04-30 10:34:44 AM  
 
2012-04-30 10:34:51 AM  

King Something: Diogenes: Obama accomplished in three years what Bush failed to accomplish in eight.

Implying that Bush even tried.


The CIA identified al-Kuwaiti, the courier who eventually led them to Bin Laden, and began keeping tabs on him in 2007. 2 years before Obama was in office.
 
2012-04-30 10:35:02 AM  
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2012-04-30 10:35:19 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: Anyone know why the Democrats didn't have the guts to execute Timothy McVeigh after he was convicted and sentenced to death? It's hard to understand considering how gutsy Democrats are.


Unsurprisingly, you have a very odd sense of what courage actually means.
 
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