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(NYPost)   What do former presidents Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush have in common? Their disdain for Jimmy Carter, because he went rogue and conducted foreign policy after leaving office without any authority from the White House   (nypost.com ) divider line
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2012-04-30 08:44:53 AM  
Yes, because we all know that actually working to improve the lives of disenfranchised people looks very bad for the United States. People at home might start getting ideas.
 
2012-04-30 09:30:29 AM  

Ennuipoet: Yes, because we all know that actually working to improve the lives of disenfranchised people looks very bad for the United States. People at home might start getting ideas.


Yeah, heckuva job he did with that.

www.corbisimages.com -
"I want to congratulate you on the acceptance of Zimbabwe as a new member of the United Nations, on your tremendous speech on that occasion which exemplified the principles and ideals of your own life and also of proving already that you are the leader not only of a great new republic but a notable world leader exemplifying the finest aspects of humanity." - August 1980

www.classicalvalues.com

"We welcomed each other as old friends"

ceausescunicolae.files.wordpress.com

"We believe in enhancing human rights. We believe that we should enhance, as independent nations, the freedom of our own people." - April 1978

Mugabe, Castro, Ceausescu...not exactly three names that come to mind when I think of empowering the little guy. And yet there was Carter, the Intercontinental Prince of Human Rights slobbering all over them and countless other tyrants, both during and since his adminsitration.

Don't try to b-b-b-b-b-b-butReagan butBush this. Carter is supposed to be different. All about the human rights and nonviolence, don't you know. Not like those Republican cowboys.

Shiat, if George McGovern voted for Gerald Ford instead of Carter, what's your excuse?
 
2012-04-30 09:46:20 AM  
Nuts!
 
2012-04-30 09:48:09 AM  
If he's no longer the president and isn't making any promises for the United States (and with him out of office for 30 years who would think he can), then how exactly is it foreign policy? Do the ex-presidents also complain about the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation - they do pretty much the same things as Carter.
 
2012-04-30 09:49:06 AM  
 
2012-04-30 09:49:54 AM  
I like the jackasses in the comments section arguing over if Carter is the worst President ever or not. I guess Buchanan is so bad we scrubbed his name from history.

/Carter was a pretty bad President
 
2012-04-30 09:50:46 AM  

Gulper Eel: Shiat, if George McGovern voted for Gerald Ford instead of Carter, what's your excuse?


Your link says McGovern voted for Ford in 1976, and for Carter in 1980. He voted for Carter after one term of his presidency.
 
2012-04-30 09:50:49 AM  
Cause he's a better man and a better Christian than they are and they know it.
 
2012-04-30 09:51:26 AM  

Gulper Eel: "I want to congratulate you on the acceptance of Zimbabwe as a new member of the United Nations, on your tremendous speech on that occasion which exemplified the principles and ideals of your own life and also of proving already that you are the leader not only of a great new republic but a notable world leader exemplifying the finest aspects of humanity." - August 1980


Just for clarity, Mugabe was still thought of as a hero in 1980 because of his fight against white rule in Zimbabwe. He won elections fairly in 1980. He was awarded an honorary degree from UMass in 1986.
 
2012-04-30 09:51:37 AM  
Is that an article or just an ad for the book?

I mean, examples would have been nice.
 
2012-04-30 09:52:20 AM  
well, it is my understanding that he's history's greatest monster
 
2012-04-30 09:52:54 AM  

Gulper Eel: Ennuipoet: Yes, because we all know that actually working to improve the lives of disenfranchised people looks very bad for the United States. People at home might start getting ideas.

Yeah, heckuva job he did with that.

[www.corbisimages.com image 609x480] -
"I want to congratulate you on the acceptance of Zimbabwe as a new member of the United Nations, on your tremendous speech on that occasion which exemplified the principles and ideals of your own life and also of proving already that you are the leader not only of a great new republic but a notable world leader exemplifying the finest aspects of humanity." - August 1980

[www.classicalvalues.com image 315x252]

"We welcomed each other as old friends"

[ceausescunicolae.files.wordpress.com image 300x454]

"We believe in enhancing human rights. We believe that we should enhance, as independent nations, the freedom of our own people." - April 1978

Mugabe, Castro, Ceausescu...not exactly three names that come to mind when I think of empowering the little guy. And yet there was Carter, the Intercontinental Prince of Human Rights slobbering all over them and countless other tyrants, both during and since his adminsitration.

Don't try to b-b-b-b-b-b-butReagan butBush this. Carter is supposed to be different. All about the human rights and nonviolence, don't you know. Not like those Republican cowboys.

Shiat, if George McGovern voted for Gerald Ford instead of Carter, what's your excuse?


Disingenuous much?

1) That statement about Mugabe occurred at the very start of Mugabe's first term as president of Zimbabwe - at the time he was widely hailed as a Mandela-like figure.

2) Ceausescu spent much of the 70s convincing the West that he was rebelling against the Soviets and trying to reform Communism. Among other things, he brokered Sadat's visit to Israel.
 
2012-04-30 09:54:40 AM  
Carter did some dumb things for sure but he also told us to get off the oil and no president ever had the sack to do that. Probably why the right is told to hate him so much all while they suck the nuts of other foreign policy failures.
 
2012-04-30 09:55:10 AM  
Yeah Carter hobnobbed with bad guys.

but so did all the other presidents. Bush had relations with Idi Amin. Reagan supported Bin Laden. Nixon sold us to the Chinese.
 
2012-04-30 09:56:08 AM  

Gulper Eel: Mugabe, Castro, Ceausescu...not exactly three names that come to mind when I think of empowering the little guy. And yet there was Carter, the Intercontinental Prince of Human Rights slobbering all over them and countless other tyrants, both during and since his adminsitration.


There's a difference between supporting people who appear to be good (but really aren't) and supporting people who are patently evil. The Republicans are fondest of the latter.
 
2012-04-30 09:56:30 AM  

Gulper Eel: [bull snip]


All of which has jack-all to do with the article about his foreign policy exploits POST-PRESIDENCY
 
2012-04-30 09:57:04 AM  
Truly history's greatest monster.
 
2012-04-30 09:57:16 AM  

Hobodeluxe: but so did all the other presidents. Bush had relations with Idi Amin. Reagan supported Bin Laden. Nixon sold us to the Chinese.


Obama might be worst of all in terms of associating with rogues:

i.a.cnn.net
 
2012-04-30 10:00:23 AM  

sweetmelissa31: He was awarded an honorary degree from UMass in 1986.


awwwkward
 
2012-04-30 10:01:40 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Hobodeluxe: but so did all the other presidents. Bush had relations with Idi Amin. Reagan supported Bin Laden. Nixon sold us to the Chinese.

Obama might be worst of all in terms of associating with rogues:

[i.a.cnn.net image 265x239]


It's worse than that...

Here's a picture of Obama palin' around with war criminals and sexual deviants:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-30 10:02:22 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Gulper Eel: "I want to congratulate you on the acceptance of Zimbabwe as a new member of the United Nations, on your tremendous speech on that occasion which exemplified the principles and ideals of your own life and also of proving already that you are the leader not only of a great new republic but a notable world leader exemplifying the finest aspects of humanity." - August 1980

Just for clarity, Mugabe was still thought of as a hero in 1980 because of his fight against white rule in Zimbabwe. He won elections fairly in 1980. He was awarded an honorary degree from UMass in 1986.


He was Knighted by the Queen of England, too
 
2012-04-30 10:04:42 AM  

keylock71: sweetmelissa31: Hobodeluxe: but so did all the other presidents. Bush had relations with Idi Amin. Reagan supported Bin Laden. Nixon sold us to the Chinese.

Obama might be worst of all in terms of associating with rogues:

[i.a.cnn.net image 265x239]

It's worse than that...

Here's a picture of Obama palin' around with war criminals and sexual deviants:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 450x350]


You may want to avert your eyes from this one, Zero Bama has a history of associating with criminals:

stillisstillmoving.com
 
2012-04-30 10:05:46 AM  

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: He was awarded an honorary degree from UMass in 1986.

awwwkward


They have a history of giving honorary doctorates to criminals. When I was there they awarded one to Andrew Card, the "architect of the Iraq War."
 
2012-04-30 10:09:15 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: He was awarded an honorary degree from UMass in 1986.

awwwkward

They have a history of giving honorary doctorates to criminals. When I was there they awarded one to Andrew Card, the "architect of the Iraq War."


Was it Amherst that gave Mugabe his honorary doctorate? I'm pretty sure UMass Dartmouth was still SMU back then
 
2012-04-30 10:12:10 AM  

Jackson Herring: Was it Amherst that gave Mugabe his honorary doctorate? I'm pretty sure UMass Dartmouth was still SMU back then


Of course. Do you think Robert Mugabe would accept an honorary degree from anywhere but the flagship campus of UMass? The man has standards.
 
2012-04-30 10:13:48 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: Was it Amherst that gave Mugabe his honorary doctorate? I'm pretty sure UMass Dartmouth was still SMU back then

Of course. Do you think Robert Mugabe would accept an honorary degree from anywhere but the flagship campus of UMass? The man has standards.


Excuse me just because UMD is the ugliest campus in the known universe doesn't mean that something something something
 
2012-04-30 10:16:24 AM  

Forgot_my_password_again: well, it is my understanding that he's history's greatest monster


2wolves: Truly history's greatest monster.


5.media.tumblr.com

Yes. Yes, he is.


/ malaise forever
 
2012-04-30 10:16:36 AM  
Seriously what the hell

www.beekmanhouse.com
 
2012-04-30 10:18:58 AM  

Jackson Herring: Seriously what the hell

[www.beekmanhouse.com image 640x368]


I feel like it's probably still better than Zimbabwe.
 
2012-04-30 10:19:33 AM  

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: He was awarded an honorary degree from UMass in 1986.

awwwkward

They have a history of giving honorary doctorates to criminals. When I was there they awarded one to Andrew Card, the "architect of the Iraq War."

Was it Amherst that gave Mugabe his honorary doctorate? I'm pretty sure UMass Dartmouth was still SMU back then


Yeah, it was Amherst. SMU... haven't heard that name in a while. I think I still have one of those sweatshirts somewhere.
 
2012-04-30 10:20:04 AM  
That was a very informative article.
 
2012-04-30 10:20:10 AM  

Jackson Herring: Seriously what the hell

[www.beekmanhouse.com image 640x368]


Looks like it's ready to lift off and relocate during the next Zerg rush
 
2012-04-30 10:20:32 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: Seriously what the hell

[www.beekmanhouse.com image 640x368]

I feel like it's probably still better than Zimbabwe.


www.victoria-falls-hotels.com
 
2012-04-30 10:21:07 AM  
Woah look at that rainbow... more like ZimbabGAY am I right?
 
2012-04-30 10:21:20 AM  

Jackson Herring: Excuse me just because UMD is the ugliest campus in the known universe doesn't mean that something something something


Nonsense... Brutalism is an amazingly beautiful style of architecture. : )
 
2012-04-30 10:21:47 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Gulper Eel: "I want to congratulate you on the acceptance of Zimbabwe as a new member of the United Nations, on your tremendous speech on that occasion which exemplified the principles and ideals of your own life and also of proving already that you are the leader not only of a great new republic but a notable world leader exemplifying the finest aspects of humanity." - August 1980

Just for clarity, Mugabe was still thought of as a hero in 1980 because of his fight against white rule in Zimbabwe. He won elections fairly in 1980. He was awarded an honorary degree from UMass in 1986.


And lots of people also knew Mugabe was bad news well before he kicked off his massacres shortly after his placement in office. A leader has to be astoundingly dim to look at the political landscape, even without hindsight, and say "hmm...how about this guy Mugabe who's in tight with the Soviets and North Koreans. Let's back him over the other options."
 
2012-04-30 10:22:56 AM  

keylock71: Jackson Herring: Excuse me just because UMD is the ugliest campus in the known universe doesn't mean that something something something

Nonsense... Brutalism is an amazingly beautiful style of architecture. : )


Yeah I was fibbing a bit... it gets a rap for being ugly but I don't hate it. It is weird getting around inside those buildings though, why couldn't they pick a floor height and like stick with it?
 
2012-04-30 10:27:03 AM  

Jackson Herring: Woah look at that rainbow... more like ZimbabGAY am I right?


Robert MuGAYbe

Also: what being "in tight with the Soviets" might look like

homepage.eircom.net

/Stalin's totally feeling left out of the conversation in that picture btw
 
2012-04-30 10:29:13 AM  

Gulper Eel: A leader has to be astoundingly dim to look at the political landscape, even without hindsight, and say "hmm...how about this guy Mugabe who's in tight with the Soviets and North Koreans. Let's back him over the other options."


theredphoenix.files.wordpress.com

Yeah, a wise president supports and trains anti-communist death squads and arms terrorists. Stupid liberals and their ideals...
 
2012-04-30 10:32:24 AM  

sweetmelissa31: /Stalin's totally feeling left out of the conversation in that picture btw


Just like you to always be concerned with the Russian guy.
 
2012-04-30 10:34:47 AM  

Gulper Eel: And lots of people also knew Mugabe was bad news well before


Such as...
 
2012-04-30 10:36:29 AM  
goo.gl
 
2012-04-30 10:37:04 AM  
marriott67.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-04-30 10:42:13 AM  

Jackson Herring: [goo.gl image 426x301]


j.wigflip.com
 
2012-04-30 10:43:53 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: [goo.gl image 426x301]

[j.wigflip.com image 426x301]


oh my goddddddd
 
2012-04-30 10:44:44 AM  
Gulper Eel: Don't forget his "monitoring" of the elections in Venezuela got them Chavez.

www.moonbattery.com
 
2012-04-30 10:46:19 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Gulper Eel: And lots of people also knew Mugabe was bad news well before

Such as...


Anybody who picked up a copy of the New York Times in the preceding fifteen years. Mugabe's dealings were no secret.
 
2012-04-30 10:53:57 AM  
And when Carter promised all sorts of coal and food to Best Korea on the condition that they shut down their nuclear ambitions, how'd that all work out?
 
2012-04-30 10:56:10 AM  
Jimmy Carter is the worst. It's not like the Bush family associated with any war criminals.

upload.wikimedia.org

media.treehugger.com

Umm, nevermind.
 
2012-04-30 10:57:41 AM  

keylock71: Yeah, a wise president supports and trains anti-communist death squads and arms terrorists. Stupid liberals and their ideals...


Anti-communist death squads, you say? Thanks for reminding us that Carter continued the previous administrations' policy of selling arms to Suharto for the genocide in East Timor. (citation)

Now, about these liberal ideals. How many times do they have to be stomped on before you start thinking maybe Jimmy Carter is not this globetrotting Mister Rogers figure he's made himself out to be?
 
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