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(NYPost)   What do former presidents Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush have in common? Their disdain for Jimmy Carter, because he went rogue and conducted foreign policy after leaving office without any authority from the White House   (nypost.com) divider line 141
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2012-04-30 04:49:59 PM

IlGreven: Remember, people who yell MUGABE! MUGABE! MUGABE!:

Donald Rumsfeld, a close ally of Reagan and the Bushes, serving as a special envoy to Iraq under orders from Reagan, was buddy-buddy with Saddam Hussein.

It was only after Saddam defied H.W. Bush and attacked Kuwait that the Bushes, acting for America by proxy, touted him as the worst dictator that ever lived.


The point. Still sailing far over your head, it is.

Nobody pitches Donald Rumsfeld, or any high-ranking Republican official of the past 50 years right on up to various presidents, as some sort of international paragon of human rights and decency as is done with Carter.

And yet Carter's record is barely distinguishable from those who came before and after him.

This is a president who made his bones back in Georgia being perfectly content to have a sick fark top-of-the-line no-doubt-about-it bigot like Lester Maddox on the same ticket with him... the direct quote from Carteron Maddox?

"Governor Maddox is a friend of mine and a good governor. He is the essence of what the Democratic Party is all about and I am proud to be on the ticket with him and I am looking forward to serving with him if you elect me your governor."
 
2012-04-30 05:12:07 PM

karnal: Heathen? Not at all....all you are doing is spouting words.....show where Iran did not fear Reagan....show me some proof.


If you cared about proof, you wouldn't be spouting conspiracy theories.
 
2012-04-30 05:16:21 PM
Carter refused to sign off on Palestinian genocide by Israel. Israeli (read: American Mainstream) Media savaged the man's reputation for it.
 
2012-04-30 05:38:33 PM

Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky: For better or worse, George W. Bush and his father have more or less been a model citizens in their post-presidencies.


Criminals tend to keep their heads low after the fact.
They got their way, the blood has been spilled, the right wing coffers full. Send the bastards to The Hague.
Be sure to take Cheney with them.
 
2012-04-30 06:13:42 PM

Headso: Carter did some dumb things for sure but he also told us to get off the oil and no president ever had the sack to do that. Probably why the right is told to hate him so much all while they suck the nuts of other foreign policy failures.


Nah... he's got a lot of other boneheaded stuff that we all can nail him for.

His stance on the environment and foreign oil were pretty spot on (even if people didn't want to accept it), and very prophetic. It's the one thing that my dad (who is about as far to the right as anyone I know) is willing to defend the man on. He'll nod with everything else and complain about how horrible Carter was over all, but you mention energy policies with Carter in the sentence and the man becomes a saint.

/it's weird to see that kind of reaction
 
2012-04-30 07:31:03 PM
Where is the farking article explaining exactly what prompted this collective dislike? All I found was an unusually wordy advertisement.

/ how the fark is a "tweet" considered a professional and reliable news source?
 
2012-04-30 07:37:01 PM

maxx2112: Forgot_my_password_again: well, it is my understanding that he's history's greatest monster

2wolves: Truly history's greatest monster.

[5.media.tumblr.com image 480x360]

Yes. Yes, he is.


/ malaise forever


He was right though. What got us out of that recession? Not American ingenuity and hardwork, but instead the inability of OPEC to keep its members from cheating, and Reagan telling Wall Street it was A.O.K if they just started defrauding people to make profit. A moral malaise is exactly what we were in during the 70s, and it's what we've been in ever since.
 
2012-04-30 07:58:54 PM

karnal: My guess it he did what any strong Republican president would have done....threatened to put a boot up their ass.


You seem to have misspelled "sell them weapons".
 
2012-04-30 08:02:15 PM
Bill Clinton has disdain for Carter?

Then he probably shouldn't have sent him to N. Korea to make a deal only a complete and utter moron would think the N. Koreans would actually uphold.

It did however give us the LAUGH RIOT of a former Clinton administration official basically getting up and saying that N. Korea sat around keeping up their end of the bargain but immediately snatched up the phone to resume weapons development the second Bush was sworn in. That must be it, because surely the administration she worked for didn't make such a mistake.
 
2012-04-30 08:19:37 PM
Carter is a horrible human being.
 
2012-04-30 08:24:26 PM
img.timeinc.net

This jerkoff wore a cardigan in the White House. Down with Mr. Jimmy Rogers Cardiganfartolo.
 
2012-04-30 09:15:05 PM

randomjsa: Then he probably shouldn't have sent him to N. Korea to make a deal only a complete and utter moron would think the N. Koreans would actually uphold.


Well, sort of. Clinton sent him, but Carter went beyond the ground rules the White House had set up for him and cut a (pointless) deal.

Which means both sides of the debate had a plausible out for when the agreement failed, roughly 15 seconds after Carter's plane was wheels-up out of Pyongyang.

It's not like anybody expected Kim Il-Sung to finally respond to reason all of a sudden.

One thing I admire about Clinton is that he readily admitted he had read Rwanda wrong and farked up in not acting sooner to prevent the genocide.
 
2012-04-30 09:24:51 PM
Carter got handed the worst time to be US president imaginable. Nobody could have been a good president during the late 1970's, and that's just a fact. If Reagan had been president four years earlier, we'd have been at war in the Middle East in 1980 instead of 2003.
 
2012-04-30 09:32:39 PM

Jackson Herring: Seriously what the hell
[www.beekmanhouse.com image 640x368]


Wow that is pretty ugly. How unusual for a college campus.
 
2012-04-30 09:51:40 PM
 
2012-04-30 10:46:47 PM

Philip Francis Queeg karnal :: US defense budget:

FY 1976: $283.8B
FY 1977: $286.2B
FY 1978: $286.5B
FY 1979: $295.6B
FY 1980: $303.3B

FACT: You don't know what you are talking about.


See how the 77-78 budget only increased by .3B? Carter cut the increase.

If anyone doesn't know what they're talking about - it's the person who doesn't understand that failing to increase a federal budget by a previously agreed upon amount counts as a "cut."

Yeah, the math sucks, but it's the standard in Washington, and has been for decades. Failing to get an increase for your budget counts as a cut. That's how insidious the allure of spending money is in that town.

And no, you don't get to change the rules just this once to prove your nonexistent point. Carter cut the Pentagon's budget for 1978. Not only that, he took a personal interest in it because it was one of his campaign promises: you can read about the whole process here.

The 1978 budget story starts on page 38 of the document proper, but it's page 43 of the PDF index because of the cover and table of contents. If you read all of that and still insist Carter didn't cut the military budget for FY 1978, you're a goddamned blithering idiot.
 
2012-04-30 10:48:57 PM
Carter went rogue post presidency?

Well yeah, that's one of the reasons people outside the US really like him.

Clinton and Bush don't like it?

LOL. Fark them.

/Carter is under-rated almost to the same degree Reagan is over-rated.
//S'weird.
 
2012-04-30 11:41:15 PM

Lsherm: Philip Francis Queeg karnal :: US defense budget:

FY 1976: $283.8B
FY 1977: $286.2B
FY 1978: $286.5B
FY 1979: $295.6B
FY 1980: $303.3B

FACT: You don't know what you are talking about.

See how the 77-78 budget only increased by .3B? Carter cut the increase.

If anyone doesn't know what they're talking about - it's the person who doesn't understand that failing to increase a federal budget by a previously agreed upon amount counts as a "cut."

Yeah, the math sucks, but it's the standard in Washington, and has been for decades. Failing to get an increase for your budget counts as a cut. That's how insidious the allure of spending money is in that town.

And no, you don't get to change the rules just this once to prove your nonexistent point. Carter cut the Pentagon's budget for 1978. Not only that, he took a personal interest in it because it was one of his campaign promises: you can read about the whole process here.

The 1978 budget story starts on page 38 of the document proper, but it's page 43 of the PDF index because of the cover and table of contents. If you read all of that and still insist Carter didn't cut the military budget for FY 1978, you're a goddamned blithering idiot.


So failing to increase the budget enough is "gutting the military" What does that make the actual cuts under Nixon and Ford? Treason?
 
2012-05-01 12:31:40 AM
He was the worst U.S. President of the last 100 years. He might as well cause problems after leaving office, too. We would expect no less from his incredible capacity for incompetency.
 
2012-05-01 12:32:28 AM

Lsherm:
The 1978 budget story starts on page 38 of the document proper, but it's page 43 of the PDF index because of the cover and table of contents. If you read all of that and still insist Carter didn't cut the military budget for FY 1978, you're a goddamned blithering idiot.


Of course it was easy to cut the budget: that's because he could take advantage of the saving from the withdrawal from Vietnam (for which he can thank Nixon in the same manner Clinton should thank Reagan for the reduction due to the end of the Cold War).
 
2012-05-01 12:51:02 AM
boo hoo
 
2012-05-01 01:17:16 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Lsherm: Philip Francis Queeg karnal :: US defense budget:

FY 1976: $283.8B
FY 1977: $286.2B
FY 1978: $286.5B
FY 1979: $295.6B
FY 1980: $303.3B

FACT: You don't know what you are talking about.

See how the 77-78 budget only increased by .3B? Carter cut the increase.

If anyone doesn't know what they're talking about - it's the person who doesn't understand that failing to increase a federal budget by a previously agreed upon amount counts as a "cut."

Yeah, the math sucks, but it's the standard in Washington, and has been for decades. Failing to get an increase for your budget counts as a cut. That's how insidious the allure of spending money is in that town.

And no, you don't get to change the rules just this once to prove your nonexistent point. Carter cut the Pentagon's budget for 1978. Not only that, he took a personal interest in it because it was one of his campaign promises: you can read about the whole process here.

The 1978 budget story starts on page 38 of the document proper, but it's page 43 of the PDF index because of the cover and table of contents. If you read all of that and still insist Carter didn't cut the military budget for FY 1978, you're a goddamned blithering idiot.

So failing to increase the budget enough is "gutting the military" What does that make the actual cuts under Nixon and Ford? Treason?


You called karnal out for claiming that Carter cut the budget by demonstrating a complete misunderstanding of the budget appropriation process, incorrectly implying Carter didn't cut the military budget during his first 6 months in office, called karnal a 'tard while doing it, and now you're trying to backpedal.

I'm not engaging you in moving the goalposts - you should own your failure. Read my link, admit you were wrong, and then apologize to him. You were wrong.

We aren't having a debate. You were wrong. farking man up and admit to it.
 
2012-05-01 02:45:23 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
If Hunter S. Thompson was cool with President Carter, I think I would likely to be also.
The law day speech was indeed a great and moving speech (probably wasted on deaf ears) Dropping his church much later in life.? ..yeah, I'll give this president the benefit of the doubt every time.
Great men and women don't always get everything right, but their voices and actions have the same motives.
 
2012-05-01 03:33:29 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: So failing to increase the budget enough is "gutting the military"


Yes, that's bullshiat - now, hopefully my nuanced and progressive friends will therefore quit arguing that insufficiently large budget growth in education regardless of results = horrible draconian cuts that show that you hate The ChildrenTM.
 
2012-05-01 03:44:14 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: So failing to increase the budget enough is "gutting the military" What does that make the actual cuts under Nixon and Ford? Treason?


We called it the detente peace dividend, but nowadays, yeah, the GOP would call it treason.
 
2012-05-01 07:15:37 AM

Lsherm: Philip Francis Queeg: Lsherm: Philip Francis Queeg karnal :: US defense budget:

FY 1976: $283.8B
FY 1977: $286.2B
FY 1978: $286.5B
FY 1979: $295.6B
FY 1980: $303.3B

FACT: You don't know what you are talking about.

See how the 77-78 budget only increased by .3B? Carter cut the increase.

If anyone doesn't know what they're talking about - it's the person who doesn't understand that failing to increase a federal budget by a previously agreed upon amount counts as a "cut."

Yeah, the math sucks, but it's the standard in Washington, and has been for decades. Failing to get an increase for your budget counts as a cut. That's how insidious the allure of spending money is in that town.

And no, you don't get to change the rules just this once to prove your nonexistent point. Carter cut the Pentagon's budget for 1978. Not only that, he took a personal interest in it because it was one of his campaign promises: you can read about the whole process here.

The 1978 budget story starts on page 38 of the document proper, but it's page 43 of the PDF index because of the cover and table of contents. If you read all of that and still insist Carter didn't cut the military budget for FY 1978, you're a goddamned blithering idiot.

So failing to increase the budget enough is "gutting the military" What does that make the actual cuts under Nixon and Ford? Treason?

You called karnal out for claiming that Carter cut the budget by demonstrating a complete misunderstanding of the budget appropriation process, incorrectly implying Carter didn't cut the military budget during his first 6 months in office, called karnal a 'tard while doing it, and now you're trying to backpedal.

I'm not engaging you in moving the goalposts - you should own your failure. Read my link, admit you were wrong, and then apologize to him. You were wrong.

We aren't having a debate. You were wrong. farking man up and admit to it.


Read Karnal's original claim. He was wrong, remains wrong, and your defense of his claim is wrong.sCenodly Carter did not in fact "gut" the defense budget. Nixon and Ford cut the defense budget. As I oriignally said, the defense budget increased every year under Carter after actual declines under Ford and Nixon.

It's unclear who fail harder you or Karnal.
 
2012-05-01 08:19:15 AM
Philip Francis Queeg


Read Karnal's original claim. He was wrong, remains wrong, and your defense of his claim is wrong.sCenodly Carter did not in fact "gut" the defense budget. Nixon and Ford cut the defense budget. As I oriignally said, the defense budget increased every year under Carter after actual declines under Ford and Nixon.

It's unclear who fail harder you or Karnal.



Well - what is clear is that Philip Francis Queeg, in his own mind, is never wrong. You must be a blast at parties.

"Oh no - here comes that know-it-all Queeg. What a bore."

Here is another quote and source that you can deny, disclaim or ignore.

As a result of Carter Administration policies, the American military was plagued by low morale, low pay, outdated equipment, and practically zero maintenance on what did exist. Important U.S. military personnel were not reenlisting; it just wasn't worth it to them. In fact, thousands of enlisted men's families survived on food stamps.

from - Link
 
2012-05-01 08:30:47 AM

karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


Read Karnal's original claim. He was wrong, remains wrong, and your defense of his claim is wrong.sCenodly Carter did not in fact "gut" the defense budget. Nixon and Ford cut the defense budget. As I oriignally said, the defense budget increased every year under Carter after actual declines under Ford and Nixon.

It's unclear who fail harder you or Karnal.


Well - what is clear is that Philip Francis Queeg, in his own mind, is never wrong. You must be a blast at parties.

"Oh no - here comes that know-it-all Queeg. What a bore."

Here is another quote and source that you can deny, disclaim or ignore.

As a result of Carter Administration policies, the American military was plagued by low morale, low pay, outdated equipment, and practically zero maintenance on what did exist. Important U.S. military personnel were not reenlisting; it just wasn't worth it to them. In fact, thousands of enlisted men's families survived on food stamps.

from - Link


This is why Queeg is on my ignore list. He's a stereotypical libtard that can't be bothered by facts.
 
2012-05-01 08:44:41 AM

karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


Read Karnal's original claim. He was wrong, remains wrong, and your defense of his claim is wrong.sCenodly Carter did not in fact "gut" the defense budget. Nixon and Ford cut the defense budget. As I oriignally said, the defense budget increased every year under Carter after actual declines under Ford and Nixon.

It's unclear who fail harder you or Karnal.


Well - what is clear is that Philip Francis Queeg, in his own mind, is never wrong. You must be a blast at parties.

"Oh no - here comes that know-it-all Queeg. What a bore."

Here is another quote and source that you can deny, disclaim or ignore.

As a result of Carter Administration policies, the American military was plagued by low morale, low pay, outdated equipment, and practically zero maintenance on what did exist. Important U.S. military personnel were not reenlisting; it just wasn't worth it to them. In fact, thousands of enlisted men's families survived on food stamps.

from - Link


Nice! That is pretty much a Regan porn site!

Do you think that maybe the problems in the military at that time just might have had something to do with pulling out of Vietnam the year before Carter was elected?

Hell, we have run into the same problems during the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan!

Dumb and Dumber
The U.S. Army lowers recruitment standards ... again.
 
2012-05-01 09:00:44 AM

Mearen: karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


Read Karnal's original claim. He was wrong, remains wrong, and your defense of his claim is wrong.sCenodly Carter did not in fact "gut" the defense budget. Nixon and Ford cut the defense budget. As I oriignally said, the defense budget increased every year under Carter after actual declines under Ford and Nixon.

It's unclear who fail harder you or Karnal.


Well - what is clear is that Philip Francis Queeg, in his own mind, is never wrong. You must be a blast at parties.

"Oh no - here comes that know-it-all Queeg. What a bore."

Here is another quote and source that you can deny, disclaim or ignore.

As a result of Carter Administration policies, the American military was plagued by low morale, low pay, outdated equipment, and practically zero maintenance on what did exist. Important U.S. military personnel were not reenlisting; it just wasn't worth it to them. In fact, thousands of enlisted men's families survived on food stamps.

from - Link

This is why Queeg is on my ignore list. He's a stereotypical libtard that can't be bothered by facts.


Yep, I'm so against facts that I posted the actual budget numbers.
 
2012-05-01 09:20:07 AM
GameSprocket

karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


Read Karnal's original claim. He was wrong, remains wrong, and your defense of his claim is wrong.sCenodly Carter did not in fact "gut" the defense budget. Nixon and Ford cut the defense budget. As I oriignally said, the defense budget increased every year under Carter after actual declines under Ford and Nixon.

It's unclear who fail harder you or Karnal.


Well - what is clear is that Philip Francis Queeg, in his own mind, is never wrong. You must be a blast at parties.

"Oh no - here comes that know-it-all Queeg. What a bore."

Here is another quote and source that you can deny, disclaim or ignore.

As a result of Carter Administration policies, the American military was plagued by low morale, low pay, outdated equipment, and practically zero maintenance on what did exist. Important U.S. military personnel were not reenlisting; it just wasn't worth it to them. In fact, thousands of enlisted men's families survived on food stamps.

from - Link

Nice! That is pretty much a Regan porn site!

Do you think that maybe the problems in the military at that time just might have had something to do with pulling out of Vietnam the year before Carter was elected?

Hell, we have run into the same problems during the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan!

Dumb and Dumber
The U.S. Army lowers recruitment standards ... again.


More for you to refute (from non-Regan porn sites):

In the late 1970s, President Jimmy Carter similarly slashed defense spending following a decade of war. In lieu of repairing the equipment on hand or buying more modern weapons systems, the Carter administration invested mostly in research and development. America's military ended up a "hollow force," without the capabilities necessary to protect America's interests and commitments abroad. from - Link

During his first month in office, Carter cut the defense budget by $6 billion. from Link

Jimmy Carter had tried accommodating America's enemies. He cut back on defense. He made humility the hallmark of American diplomacy. from - Link


"Sometimes you don't know if you're Caesar about to cross the Rubicon or Captain Queeg cutting your own tow line."
 
2012-05-01 09:24:29 AM

karnal: Jimmy Carter had tried accommodating America's enemies. He cut back on defense. He made humility the hallmark of American diplomacy. from - Link


Hehehe.

"Accommodating America's enemies" - Like selling arms to the Iranians? Like cutting and running in Lebanon?
 
2012-05-01 09:45:10 AM

karnal: More for you to refute (from non-Regan porn sites):

In the late 1970s, President Jimmy Carter similarly slashed defense spending following a decade of war. In lieu of repairing the equipment on hand or buying more modern weapons systems, the Carter administration invested mostly in research and development. America's military ended up a "hollow force," without the capabilities necessary to protect America's interests and commitments abroad. from - Link

During his first month in office, Carter cut the defense budget by $6 billion. from Link


Jimmy Carter increased defense spending by 11 percent over the budget he inherited from the Nixon-Ford administration. Link

In defense spending, as in supply-side economics, Reagan continued what his predecessor in the White House had begun. The reversal in the post-Vietnam decline of American military spending began under Carter, following the shock of the Iranian revolution and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. From a starting point of 4.7 percent of GDP, Carter called for raising defense spending to 5.2 percent of GDP in his final budget for fiscal year 1981. The Carter administration called for defense spending to rise even further by 1987 to 5.7 percent of GDP - only a little below the 6.2 percent where it peaked in 1986. Link


Jimmy Carter had tried accommodating America's enemies. He cut back on defense. He made humility the hallmark of American diplomacy. from - Link


That's just, like, opinion, man. I'm not going to bother refuting opinion. I don't care enough about Carter to do much more research.
 
2012-05-01 09:54:56 AM
Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: Jimmy Carter had tried accommodating America's enemies. He cut back on defense. He made humility the hallmark of American diplomacy. from - Link

Hehehe.

"Accommodating America's enemies" - Like selling arms to the Iranians? Like cutting and running in Lebanon?

Or....how about selling arms to mexican drug cartel?



On December 15, 1978, Carter terminated our relations with Taiwan and recognized Communist China, the most murderous regime in the history of the planet. He did this after Congress had adjourned for Christmas. The Senate, earlier that year, had voted 94-0 on a resolution that it should be consulted before any change in the treaty with Taiwan. Red China would proceed to benefit from a massive transfer of US credit and technology, a process that would reach an orgasmic climax during the Clinton Administration. Carter would remain silent in the face of the genocide performed by the Marxist Pol Pot. So much for Carter as the champion of "human rights."
 
2012-05-01 09:59:13 AM

karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: Jimmy Carter had tried accommodating America's enemies. He cut back on defense. He made humility the hallmark of American diplomacy. from - Link

Hehehe.

"Accommodating America's enemies" - Like selling arms to the Iranians? Like cutting and running in Lebanon?

Or....how about selling arms to mexican drug cartel?



On December 15, 1978, Carter terminated our relations with Taiwan and recognized Communist China, the most murderous regime in the history of the planet. He did this after Congress had adjourned for Christmas. The Senate, earlier that year, had voted 94-0 on a resolution that it should be consulted before any change in the treaty with Taiwan. Red China would proceed to benefit from a massive transfer of US credit and technology, a process that would reach an orgasmic climax during the Clinton Administration. Carter would remain silent in the face of the genocide performed by the Marxist Pol Pot. So much for Carter as the champion of "human rights."


Oh yeah. That worked out horribly for everyone!

/Really? "Red China"?
//I am an old man and that is still before my time.
 
2012-05-01 09:59:53 AM

karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: Jimmy Carter had tried accommodating America's enemies. He cut back on defense. He made humility the hallmark of American diplomacy. from - Link

Hehehe.

"Accommodating America's enemies" - Like selling arms to the Iranians? Like cutting and running in Lebanon?

Or....how about selling arms to mexican drug cartel?



On December 15, 1978, Carter terminated our relations with Taiwan and recognized Communist China, the most murderous regime in the history of the planet. He did this after Congress had adjourned for Christmas. The Senate, earlier that year, had voted 94-0 on a resolution that it should be consulted before any change in the treaty with Taiwan. Red China would proceed to benefit from a massive transfer of US credit and technology, a process that would reach an orgasmic climax during the Clinton Administration. Carter would remain silent in the face of the genocide performed by the Marxist Pol Pot. So much for Carter as the champion of "human rights."


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-01 10:37:29 AM
Well, Presidents Clinton and Bush also have something in common with me. I too think Carter is a complete asshole guilty of treason.
 
2012-05-01 12:51:36 PM

Overfiend: Well, Presidents Clinton and Bush also have something in common with me. I too think Carter is a complete asshole guilty of treason.


The difference between you is that someone obviously cares what the other guys think.
 
2012-05-01 01:10:11 PM

GameSprocket: Overfiend: Well, Presidents Clinton and Bush also have something in common with me. I too think Carter is a complete asshole guilty of treason.

The difference between you is that someone obviously cares what the other guys think.


That and the fact that you're also an asshole.

/Did I say that out loud?
//good
 
2012-05-01 03:44:34 PM
DNRTFA. Fark Carter
 
2012-05-02 10:43:03 AM
This is true ! Carter wasn't satisfied with screwing it up when in office ! He continued being Jimmy Carter every time he could get in front of a camera .
 
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