Farkin'round: Gulper Eel: Don't forget his "monitoring" of the elections in Venezuela got them Chavez.

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Funny thing about democracy. You can't always get the leaders that you like elected.

Dog Welder: And when Carter promised all sorts of coal and food to Best Korea on the condition that they shut down their nuclear ambitions, how'd that all work out?

They haven't conducted a nuclear test since then. So there's that.

Jimmy Carter:

Double digit unemployment.
Inflation also in the double digit
Mile long gas lines


Also -
Gutted the military.
Boycotted the Olympics

But he did give us Scarface.....so he has that going for him


"I always tell the truth. Even when I lie." - Tony Montana

Bush conducted foreign policy before he took office.

They're both conservatives.

For US presidents, meeting with "enemies" is bad. Killing people is good.

And you know what else he did? He put solar panels on the White House! Oh, how I cried when I heard that. How could he desecrate our House of Power with alternative energy?

How I cheered when Saint Ronald tore them off!

History's greatest monster indeed.

keylock71: Gulper Eel: keylock71: Yeah, a wise president supports and trains anti-communist death squads and arms terrorists. Stupid liberals and their ideals...

Anti-communist death squads, you say? Thanks for reminding us that Carter continued the previous administrations' policy of selling arms to Suharto for the genocide in East Timor. (citation)

Now, about these liberal ideals. How many times do they have to be stomped on before you start thinking maybe Jimmy Carter is not this globetrotting Mister Rogers figure he's made himself out to be?

Nice Dodge... That thing got a Hemi?

MOPAR SUCKS! ;)

Jimmy Carter never met a dictator he didn't love

karnal: Inflation also in the double digit
Mile long gas lines

Convenient of you to forget that there were also long gas lines during Nixon's administration due to direct action of the administration. The US was embargoed for supporting Israel in the Yom Kippur war.

The 79 crisis stemmed from unrest in Iran, general strikes causing production slowdowns, and the deposed Shah. Carter boycotted Iran to keep from funding their new fundamentalist, anti-American government.

You act as though either of these were easy decisions with foreseeable outcomes.

BTW, the inflation began during Ford's. Remember these, his only solution to the problem?:

Mildot: Jimmy Carter never met a dictator he didn't love

The Ayatollah would beg to differ.

AMonkey'sUncle: And you know what else he did? He put solar panels on the White House! Oh, how I cried when I heard that. How could he desecrate our House of Power with alternative energy?

How I cheered when Saint Ronald tore them off!

History's greatest monster indeed.

Jimmy Carter is a favorite target of conservatives, despite the fact that he's probably one of our greatest citizens - he was a ho-hum President, but he's used that experience to do an incredible amount of good after he left office.

And, as we've seen from other campaigns by conservatives who believe cutting the line of others instead of lengthening their own line is a valid tactic, Jimmy Carter must be attacked lest others think his actions are worthy of emulation.

Lenny_da_Hog


karnal: Inflation also in the double digit
Mile long gas lines

Convenient of you to forget that there were also long gas lines during Nixon's administration due to direct action of the administration.


This is a Jimmy Carter is Bad thread, you Ninnyhammer - The Nixon is Bad thread is two doors down.

karnal: Jimmy Carter:

Double digit unemployment.
Inflation also in the double digit
Mile long gas lines


Also -
Gutted the military.
Boycotted the Olympics

But he did give us Scarface.....so he has that going for him


"I always tell the truth. Even when I lie." - Tony Montana

By "gutted the military" you of course mean "Raising the military budget every year after the steep declines of the previous two Republican administrations", right?

Carter was not a terribly good president.

However, he's definitely one of the best ex-presidents we've ever had.

Lost Thought 00: Gulper Eel: And lots of people also knew Mugabe was bad news well before

Such as...

Carter ultimately wasn't a very good President, but he was right more often than he was wrong on the issues. His post-Presidency until 2005ish was a model of good citizenship. However, since then, Carter has used the prestige of the office to undermine official US foreign policy. That's uncalled for, and I say that as a liberal.

Presidents have to be very careful about what they say and do after leaving office. For better or worse, George W. Bush and his father have more or less been a model citizens in their post-presidencies. It's one thing to dissent from official policy, but it's another entirely to use your position as a former president to try and exert direct influence on a situation. Al Gore's climate change advocacy is an example of beneficial issue championing, as he's been fairly apolitical beyond the issue in a direct yes (yes, there's current, but that's not Al Gore giving soundbites about how Palin is an idiot [even if that's true.])

I think part of the deal with the Presidency is the ability and willingness to let go and let other people govern after you've left office. In that respect, Carter hasn't been much better than Dick Cheney, who has been an abomination since leaving office. Bill Clinton's been a champion of good governance since leaving office - a good thing. Though I support President Obama and I hope he's re-elected, I have a feeling that his post-presidency will be marked by an outspokenness similar to Jimmy Carter's, even if it's not immediate.

FormlessOne: AMonkey'sUncle: And you know what else he did? He put solar panels on the White House! Oh, how I cried when I heard that. How could he desecrate our House of Power with alternative energy?

How I cheered when Saint Ronald tore them off!

History's greatest monster indeed.

Jimmy Carter is a favorite target of conservatives, despite the fact that he's probably one of our greatest citizens - he was a ho-hum President, but he's used that experience to do an incredible amount of good after he left office.

And, as we've seen from other campaigns by conservatives who believe cutting the line of others instead of lengthening their own line is a valid tactic, Jimmy Carter must be attacked lest others think his actions are worthy of emulation.

Yes, it says a lot for the man that instead of slinking into obscurity (like perhaps Clinton should do), he worked hard to better humanity.

Philip Francis Queeg: karnal: Jimmy Carter:

Double digit unemployment.
Inflation also in the double digit
Mile long gas lines


Also -
Gutted the military.
Boycotted the Olympics

But he did give us Scarface.....so he has that going for him


"I always tell the truth. Even when I lie." - Tony Montana

By "gutted the military" you of course mean "Raising the military budget every year after the steep declines of the previous two Republican administrations", right?

karnal is the kind of person who thinks calling Democrats 'Dims' is witty. Do you REALLY think he gives a shiat about facts?

LordJiro

Philip Francis Queeg: karnal: Jimmy Carter:

Double digit unemployment.
Inflation also in the double digit
Mile long gas lines


Also -
Gutted the military.
Boycotted the Olympics

But he did give us Scarface.....so he has that going for him


"I always tell the truth. Even when I lie." - Tony Montana

By "gutted the military" you of course mean "Raising the military budget every year after the steep declines of the previous two Republican administrations", right?

karnal is the kind of person who thinks calling Democrats 'Dims' is witty. Do you REALLY think he gives a shiat about facts?



Fact: During his first month in office, Carter cut the defense budget by $6 billion.

/Dim

karnal: LordJiro

Philip Francis Queeg: karnal: Jimmy Carter:

Double digit unemployment.
Inflation also in the double digit
Mile long gas lines


Also -
Gutted the military.
Boycotted the Olympics

But he did give us Scarface.....so he has that going for him


"I always tell the truth. Even when I lie." - Tony Montana

By "gutted the military" you of course mean "Raising the military budget every year after the steep declines of the previous two Republican administrations", right?

karnal is the kind of person who thinks calling Democrats 'Dims' is witty. Do you REALLY think he gives a shiat about facts?



Fact: During his first month in office, Carter cut the defense budget by $6 billion.

/Dim

US defense budget:

FY 1976: $283.8B
FY 1977: $286.2B
FY 1978: $286.5B
FY 1979: $295.6B
FY 1980: $303.3B

FACT: You don't know what you are talking about.

"Why yes I went rogue. I am the roguiest roguer that ever rogued. You betcha! Yadda Christ, blah blah, heartland, Ameerrricans.."

Philip Francis Queeg

karnal: LordJiro

Philip Francis Queeg: karnal: Jimmy Carter:
karnal is the kind of person who thinks calling Democrats 'Dims' is witty. Do you REALLY think he gives a shiat about facts?



Fact: During his first month in office, Carter cut the defense budget by $6 billion.

/Dim

US defense budget:

FY 1976: $283.8B
FY 1977: $286.2B
FY 1978: $286.5B
FY 1979: $295.6B
FY 1980: $303.3B

FACT: You don't know what you are talking about.


Jimmy Carter cut the defense budget right after taking office.

Three citation for you, Dim:

Link
Link
Link

He couldn't even get the hostages released under his watch.....first day of Reagan's administration they are on their way home.

Go ahead....stick up for the weakest, most small-minded President in US history, because, afterall, he was a Democrat.

What do the NY Post and Gulper Eel have in common? They're still butthurt over Carter.

Well that's a very detailed and convincing article from the completely unbiased New York Post. Truly Carter is history's greatest monster.

Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky
Carter ultimately wasn't a very good President, but he was right more often than he was wrong on the issues. His post-Presidency until 2005ish was a model of good citizenship. However, since then, Carter has used the prestige of the office to undermine official US foreign policy. That's uncalled for, and I say that as a liberal.

Funny, I don't see how he's undermined US policy in any way whatsoever and I'm perfectly fine with former Presidents stating their views. He's been an excellent ex-president.

karnal
He couldn't even get the hostages released under his watch.....first day of Reagan's administration they are on their way home.

We still don't know exactly what deal a campaigning Reagan struck with Iran to make that happen. Very fishy.

karnal: He couldn't even get the hostages released under his watch.....first day of Reagan's administration they are on their way home.

You say that as if Reagan had something to do with it.

patrick767: We still don't know exactly what deal a campaigning Reagan struck with Iran to make that happen. Very fishy.

Yes we do. None. Take off the tin-foil hat now.

Remember, people who yell MUGABE! MUGABE! MUGABE!:

Donald Rumsfeld, a close ally of Reagan and the Bushes, serving as a special envoy to Iraq under orders from Reagan, was buddy-buddy with Saddam Hussein.

It was only after Saddam defied H.W. Bush and attacked Kuwait that the Bushes, acting for America by proxy, touted him as the worst dictator that ever lived.

/And Rummy's visit occured while the Soviets were selling arms to Saddam.
//Hell, everyone back then supported Saddam, probably for fear of the Ayatollah who had toppled the Shah.

patrick767

Well that's a very detailed and convincing article from the completely unbiased New York Post. Truly Carter is history's greatest monster.

Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky
Carter ultimately wasn't a very good President, but he was right more often than he was wrong on the issues. His post-Presidency until 2005ish was a model of good citizenship. However, since then, Carter has used the prestige of the office to undermine official US foreign policy. That's uncalled for, and I say that as a liberal.

Funny, I don't see how he's undermined US policy in any way whatsoever and I'm perfectly fine with former Presidents stating their views. He's been an excellent ex-president.

karnal
He couldn't even get the hostages released under his watch.....first day of Reagan's administration they are on their way home.

We still don't know exactly what deal a campaigning Reagan struck with Iran to make that happen. Very fishy.


My guess it he did what any strong Republican president would have done....threatened to put a boot up their ass.


/and he would have done it too.

What do former presidents Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush have in common?

Mena, Arkansas?

Lenny_da_Hog

karnal: He couldn't even get the hostages released under his watch.....first day of Reagan's administration they are on their way home.

You say that as if Reagan had something to do with it.


Just as much if not more than Obama getting credit for bin Laden.

karnal: Lenny_da_Hog

karnal: He couldn't even get the hostages released under his watch.....first day of Reagan's administration they are on their way home.

You say that as if Reagan had something to do with it.


Just as much if not more than Obama getting credit for bin Laden.

Reagan did nothing about the Iran hostage crisis. He was not involved in any way. That conspiracy was stupid from the start, and only got more stupid as the GOP got more stupid.

Iran did not fear Reagan. They just wanted to punish Carter for allowing the Shah to come to the US for medical treatment. That's why Carter bit the bullet and took the shame of flying there to take them home himself, no matter how humiliating it was for him.

Sorry to be a Heathen to your almighty god.

karnal: patrick767

Well that's a very detailed and convincing article from the completely unbiased New York Post. Truly Carter is history's greatest monster.

Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky
Carter ultimately wasn't a very good President, but he was right more often than he was wrong on the issues. His post-Presidency until 2005ish was a model of good citizenship. However, since then, Carter has used the prestige of the office to undermine official US foreign policy. That's uncalled for, and I say that as a liberal.

Funny, I don't see how he's undermined US policy in any way whatsoever and I'm perfectly fine with former Presidents stating their views. He's been an excellent ex-president.

karnal
He couldn't even get the hostages released under his watch.....first day of Reagan's administration they are on their way home.

We still don't know exactly what deal a campaigning Reagan struck with Iran to make that happen. Very fishy.


My guess it he did what any strong Republican president would have done....threatened to put a boot up their ass.


/and he would have done it too.

Based on Reagan's later actions, he would have sold the Iranians arms to appease them and weakly hope that they would release the hostages as a result. When they didn't he would do absolutely nothing.

patrick767: Well that's a very detailed and convincing article from the completely unbiased New York Post. Truly Carter is history's greatest monster.

Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky
Carter ultimately wasn't a very good President, but he was right more often than he was wrong on the issues. His post-Presidency until 2005ish was a model of good citizenship. However, since then, Carter has used the prestige of the office to undermine official US foreign policy. That's uncalled for, and I say that as a liberal.

Funny, I don't see how he's undermined US policy in any way whatsoever and I'm perfectly fine with former Presidents stating their views. He's been an excellent ex-president.

karnal
He couldn't even get the hostages released under his watch.....first day of Reagan's administration they are on their way home.

We still don't know exactly what deal a campaigning Reagan struck with Iran to make that happen. Very fishy.


Straight from the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter#Criticism_of_US_policy

Carter:
a) called Blair Bush's poodle and hoped Gordon Brown would act differently.
b) Called the Bush admin the worst in history at foreign policy.


That would seemingly build pretty strongly into the "Carter undermined US foreign policy" argument. There's also the matter of his book describing Israel as apartheid (a very controversial statement, regardless of its truth.)

I'm trying to be clear, here: I'm actually sympathetic to a number of Carter's views, but I think his conduct, particularly during the Bush administration, has been less than exemplary.

karnal: Jimmy Carter cut the defense budget right after taking office.

Three citation for you, Dim:

Link
Link
Link

Where in those links are the defense department budgets for those years? It looks like someone already showed that the budget was not cut with actual defense department budgets... not that cutting the defense budget is even a bad thing.

I don't miss GHWB even a bit, but I do miss Dana Carvey's impressions of him. Guess ya had to be there.

I also heard George HW Bush was not a fan of bad neighbors.

Lenny_da_Hog

karnal: Lenny_da_Hog

karnal: He couldn't even get the hostages released under his watch.....first day of Reagan's administration they are on their way home.

You say that as if Reagan had something to do with it.


Just as much if not more than Obama getting credit for bin Laden.

Reagan did nothing about the Iran hostage crisis. He was not involved in any way. That conspiracy was stupid from the start, and only got more stupid as the GOP got more stupid.

Iran did not fear Reagan. They just wanted to punish Carter for allowing the Shah to come to the US for medical treatment. That's why Carter bit the bullet and took the shame of flying there to take them home himself, no matter how humiliating it was for him.

Sorry to be a Heathen to your almighty god.


Heathen? Not at all....all you are doing is spouting words.....show where Iran did not fear Reagan....show me some proof.

Jackson Herring: The only way to validly judge how awesome a President is is by how easy their name is befarted. A partial list from Greatest of All Time to The Worst:

1. Ronald Wilson Reagan
2. George W. Fart
42. Fartlin Delano Roosevelt
43. Barack Hussein Fartbama
44. Jimmy Farter

Hobodeluxe: Bush had relations with Idi Amin. Reagan supported Bin Laden. Nixon sold us to the Chinese.


Bush; describe these "relations", in detail, please.

Reagan; supported bin Laden in what position?

Henry KKissinger Sold My Childrens Future to the Chicom Conspiracy and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt

The Bushes and Clinton have used their presidencies as a springboard to amass 10s of millions since they left office. Carter hasn't.

They might resent him for that fact.

AngryPanda

karnal: Jimmy Carter:

Double digit unemployment.
Inflation also in the double digit
Mile long gas lines


Also -
Gutted the military.
Boycotted the Olympics

But he did give us Scarface.....so he has that going for him


"I always tell the truth. Even when I lie." - Tony Montana

Did you seriously just use a Glenn Beck technique?

Also, you do realize that Scarface is a remake of a movie that had been at least 40 years old by that time.


Of course I do - but the Brian De Palma version was on Carter's dime.