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(Vancouver Sun)   In the NHL playoffs, Canada's Team is the Phoenix Coyotes   (vancouversun.com) divider line 77
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2012-04-30 04:17:53 PM

ontariolightning: ElwoodCuse: Slaves2Darkness: I did not think the NHL would be this blatant about it, but book it done they Yotes are getting the cup this year. Another scripted win, but I guess they are desperate to get the Yotes off the books and into private hands.

The NHL can't find their ass with both hands and a map, they damn sure can't rig an entire Stanley Cup playoff

And if they wanted to, it would be PIttsburgh vs. Vancouver in the final and we all saw how that worked out

if it were up to the NHL there wouldn't be a Canadian team in the finals. They know we would watch it anyways and a finals with a Canadian team always does poor in the U.S


I blame the conference divide for that. The largest markets are out in the East and there's hardly any way to build a long standing rivalry cross-conference. The semi's are almost always more interesting.
 
2012-04-30 04:23:45 PM

ontariolightning: The fact is even with a successful team Phoenix will still be giving away thousands and thousands of tickets because they can't sell them


The Phoenix Suns did that for years in the 1980's. I remember as a kid if you got a decent report card (no failing grades) you'd get a couple free nosebleed tickets to see the Suns at Veteran's Memorial Coliseum aka The Madhouse on McDowell, which is located deep in the heart of Crackton these days.

I've said it before, the sports/entertainment market is saturated in Phoenix, but the population is also gigantic, 5th largest in the US I think. The fans of all sports are notoriously fair-weather; kinda like L.A. but without all the classy rich people.
 
2012-04-30 04:28:40 PM

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: ontariolightning: The fact is even with a successful team Phoenix will still be giving away thousands and thousands of tickets because they can't sell them

The Phoenix Suns did that for years in the 1980's. I remember as a kid if you got a decent report card (no failing grades) you'd get a couple free nosebleed tickets to see the Suns at Veteran's Memorial Coliseum aka The Madhouse on McDowell, which is located deep in the heart of Crackton these days.

I've said it before, the sports/entertainment market is saturated in Phoenix, but the population is also gigantic, 5th largest in the US I think. The fans of all sports are notoriously fair-weather; kinda like L.A. but without all the classy rich people.


that's farking pathetic, there's no way an nhl team belongs in phoenix, it's an insult to Canada that they've kept it there that long despite losing massive amounts of money
 
2012-04-30 04:31:51 PM
Frankly I don't buy into that Canadas team crap unless it truly is team Canada however I got no problem cheering for another team regardless of what country they reside in. Was hoping to see the sens topple the rangers but ah well, they did better than expected anyway.

Unfortunately in this years playoffs I'm finding it hard to get excited for any of the remainders.
 
2012-04-30 04:32:06 PM
Phoenix is loving this, any time a AZ team makes a championship run, we embrace it. Sure, it's a sport I'm sure not one regular person has played unless you live north of Phoenix or you're barely going to the arena that's built in middle of Farmland but when your team has a chance to give two middle fingers to all the naysayers and critics who will say they'll never make it, you want to go and be part of something special.
 
2012-04-30 04:37:36 PM

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: ontariolightning: The fact is even with a successful team Phoenix will still be giving away thousands and thousands of tickets because they can't sell them

The Phoenix Suns did that for years in the 1980's. I remember as a kid if you got a decent report card (no failing grades) you'd get a couple free nosebleed tickets to see the Suns at Veteran's Memorial Coliseum aka The Madhouse on McDowell, which is located deep in the heart of Crackton these days.

I've said it before, the sports/entertainment market is saturated in Phoenix, but the population is also gigantic, 5th largest in the US I think. The fans of all sports are notoriously fair-weather; kinda like L.A. but without all the classy rich people.


Phoenix is just saturated with sports. Not just their own teams, but Spring Training camps as well. The branch of the company I was with in Phoenix handled primarily sports/entertainment. We did large stadium shows, sports, catered Spring Training, and a lot more. Our crew got shipped out to a lot of other facilities, and it always stunned me how Phoenix could support all these teams and venues. But they do. A LOT of disposable dollars in the metro and surrounding areas.

I do love Tempe Diablo's park--great little park, plenty of grass, and the satellite fields around it for training make a great atmosphere.
 
2012-04-30 04:41:51 PM

ontariolightning: The fact is even with a successful team Phoenix will still be giving away thousands and thousands of tickets because they can't sell them


Well, the fact is that we just don't know how Phoenix would react to a successful team because they've never had one until this season and the last. See also: Columbus.
 
2012-04-30 04:46:48 PM

hubiestubert: The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: Your sous is pretty hot.


I went to a ton of games at Jobbing before I moved to Denver a couple of years ago, Gretzky was a great guy but a godawful coach. Plus Mick McGeough screwed him at every turn, that fat bastard alone must have cost the Coyotes three wins a year.

No argument on any of those points. The one thing Gretzky did do, was get folks to events, but winning did that a lot better...


The only thing "great" that Gretzky produced off the ice is his little hussy of a daughter.

Poss NSFW:

http://boston.barstoolsports.com/m/ran dom-thoughts/encore-of-paulina-g retzky-winning-the-weekend/
 
2012-04-30 04:51:28 PM

ontariolightning: that's farking pathetic, there's no way an nhl team belongs in phoenix, it's an insult to Canada that they've kept it there that long despite losing massive amounts of money


That was the NHL's plan all along. To see how many Canadians they could piss off. To them, the money lost is well worth the investment if the outcome is anger and disgust.
 
2012-04-30 04:57:58 PM

SultanofSchwing: lol Vancouver Sun, presumptuous little shiats. Nobody in Vancouver has any right to declare "Canada's Team." Ever.


Seeing a reporter say something with a question mark after it MAKES ME SO ANGRY, right?
 
2012-04-30 05:02:16 PM

eddievercetti: Phoenix is loving this, any time a AZ team makes a championship run, we embrace it. Sure, it's a sport I'm sure not one regular person has played unless you live north of Phoenix or you're barely going to the arena that's built in middle of Farmland but when your team has a chance to give two middle fingers to all the naysayers and critics who will say they'll never make it, you want to go and be part of something special.


The youth programs in Phoenix are just now producing kids who have played hockey through high school. Arizona, year before last, finally produced their first native NHL player. It takes time for the hockey culture to set in.

Glenndale has some great fans. Fans who are there every game. Yes, the playoffs bring in more folks, but my club always had our requisite of folks, and they were loyal. And the suites are always booked pretty heavy. It's a crapshoot for the nosebleed seats, but the clubs are pretty much always filled.
 
2012-04-30 05:10:30 PM
"Canada's team" isn't playing in the NHL playoffs.

They're over in Finland gearing up for the IIHF World Championship. They have a pre-tournament exhibition against Switzerland tomorrow afternoon, and then open up against Slovakia Friday.

Leave the nationalism for the international tournaments.
 
2012-04-30 05:22:19 PM

SultanofSchwing: Mr.Tangent: SultanofSchwing: lol Vancouver Sun, presumptuous little shiats. Nobody in Vancouver has any right to declare "Canada's Team." Ever.

Sounds like somebody mad their Canadian team missed the playoffs. =P

No that was already decided a while back and I have come to terms with it. But you, and any Canadian hockey fan, should know that there is no such thing as "Canada's Team." If your team can't have it, nobody can have it.


Canada's team:
smitherssteelheads.com
 
2012-04-30 05:37:44 PM
Here's a question:

If Phoenix wins the Cup, does Bettman get his name on the Cup on the "Owner" line?
 
2012-04-30 05:43:56 PM

Doc Daneeka: Here's a question:

If Phoenix wins the Cup, does Bettman get his name on the Cup on the "Owner" line?


Will there be more names on the Cup than people at the Coyotes parade?
 
2012-04-30 05:50:50 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Doc Daneeka: Here's a question:

If Phoenix wins the Cup, does Bettman get his name on the Cup on the "Owner" line?

Will there be more names on the Cup than people at the Coyotes parade?


Well, no matter what happens at the Coyotes parade, it will have to be less embarrassing than the Devils' parade through their parking lot.
 
2012-04-30 07:40:12 PM

Doc Daneeka: ontariolightning: The fact is even with a successful team Phoenix will still be giving away thousands and thousands of tickets because they can't sell them

Well, the fact is that we just don't know how Phoenix would react to a successful team because they've never had one until this season and the last. See also: Columbus.


bandwagon fans
hate those type

i hope coyotes lose to spite the fans that couldnt really give a shiat
 
2012-04-30 08:13:11 PM

ontariolightning: The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: ontariolightning: The fact is even with a successful team Phoenix will still be giving away thousands and thousands of tickets because they can't sell them

The Phoenix Suns did that for years in the 1980's. I remember as a kid if you got a decent report card (no failing grades) you'd get a couple free nosebleed tickets to see the Suns at Veteran's Memorial Coliseum aka The Madhouse on McDowell, which is located deep in the heart of Crackton these days.

I've said it before, the sports/entertainment market is saturated in Phoenix, but the population is also gigantic, 5th largest in the US I think. The fans of all sports are notoriously fair-weather; kinda like L.A. but without all the classy rich people.

that's farking pathetic, there's no way an nhl team belongs in phoenix, it's an insult to Canada that they've kept it there that long despite losing massive amounts of money


That's reason alone to keep it in Arizona.

Sooner or later, the team's owners (NHL) is gonna sue Canadian media organizations for slander for articles like this.
 
2012-04-30 09:02:15 PM

hubiestubert: I do love Tempe Diablo's park--great little park, plenty of grass, and the satellite fields around it for training make a great atmosphere.


You should head back down next spring and check out what the D-Backs and Rockies have with Salt River Fields. The place is fantastic with all the practice facilities open to fans from the full size fields to specific areas for BUNTING.

/and free sunscreen dispensers
//bring the family, see the big hole in the ground too
 
2012-04-30 09:08:16 PM

ontariolightning: Doc Daneeka: ontariolightning: The fact is even with a successful team Phoenix will still be giving away thousands and thousands of tickets because they can't sell them

Well, the fact is that we just don't know how Phoenix would react to a successful team because they've never had one until this season and the last. See also: Columbus.

bandwagon fans
hate those type

i hope coyotes lose to spite the fans that couldnt really give a shiat


...and there's the bitter Canuckistanis that we all love so well.

For all the "not giving a sh*t" the market has a lot more potential than Winnepeg ever was. The metro area of Phoenix has about 3 times the population of the entire Province of Manitoba. Sorry. Building a hockey culture hasn't been easy, but Gretzky did his job there--maybe should have handed the coaching over years ago, but he did a lot to foster youth leagues, to build up hockey in the market. That Arizona has been able to produce players for the NHL says something about that time spent. The expansion teams? That's expanding the sport's reach. That teams out of the traditional environs of hockey's best are making an impact in this race for the Cup, that means that the investment is working.

You'd think that folks would be happy to see the sport expand. To grow. To reach new fans. To create new fans.

Then you have folks who are just bitter that there might be folks who might enjoy the sport elsewhere. It's THAT kind of provincial thinking that caused the Jets to leave in the first place. You want the sport to grow? You have to expand. You have to reach new markets. New fans. You have to grow the culture.

In Arizona are kids who have been on the ice as long as kids in Manitoba, thanks to Arenas like Glenndale. That is what is going to grow the sport. Not just an NHL team, but kids growing up with hockey. With parents who take them to hockey games. Friends and family who attend. With amateur leagues. That is what they have been growing in Phoenix, and you're mad because folks are finding the sport? Enjoying it?

Jacksass...
 
2012-04-30 09:48:10 PM

hubiestubert: You'd think that folks would be happy to see the sport expand. To grow. To reach new fans. To create new fans..


I think you're responding to a troll. The "hurr durr no snow" crowd are idiots, plain and simple. However it's unfair to think new markets in a warm weather area like Phoenix aren't up against a bigger challenge than throwing a team in Winnipeg or Hamilton.

The thing you hit on that I agree with the most is the youth movement and how important it is to have minor league hockey in the area. Phoenix may be a complete money pit right now but with some team success and the infrastructure there to build youth hockey they are going in the right direction to becoming profitable or at least bolster their fan base.
 
2012-05-01 12:43:08 AM
I maintain that the team should have been called the Arizona Desert Air Conditioners. No snow? No problem!
 
rka
2012-05-01 02:02:07 AM

hubiestubert: In Arizona are kids who have been on the ice as long as kids in Manitoba


According to most Canadians that doesn't matter because Canadians have heart and grit and are born with ice in their blood and are weened off their mother's teats with old hockey pucks. Americans can never understand such things.
 
2012-05-01 02:22:33 AM

DenisBergkamp: hubiestubert: You'd think that folks would be happy to see the sport expand. To grow. To reach new fans. To create new fans..

I think you're responding to a troll. The "hurr durr no snow" crowd are idiots, plain and simple. However it's unfair to think new markets in a warm weather area like Phoenix aren't up against a bigger challenge than throwing a team in Winnipeg or Hamilton.

The thing you hit on that I agree with the most is the youth movement and how important it is to have minor league hockey in the area. Phoenix may be a complete money pit right now but with some team success and the infrastructure there to build youth hockey they are going in the right direction to becoming profitable or at least bolster their fan base.


It's not necessarily a troll if it's become the official stance of the Canadian media for the last 20 years.
 
2012-05-01 02:55:23 AM

hubiestubert: The fun thing is, that Glenndale Arena is usually filled to the brim with visiting Canuckistanis,


That's because it's actually cheaper to fly down to Phoenix and catch a Canucks road game than it is to try and get tickets in Vancouver.
 
2012-05-01 03:21:37 AM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: DenisBergkamp: hubiestubert: You'd think that folks would be happy to see the sport expand. To grow. To reach new fans. To create new fans..

I think you're responding to a troll. The "hurr durr no snow" crowd are idiots, plain and simple. However it's unfair to think new markets in a warm weather area like Phoenix aren't up against a bigger challenge than throwing a team in Winnipeg or Hamilton.

The thing you hit on that I agree with the most is the youth movement and how important it is to have minor league hockey in the area. Phoenix may be a complete money pit right now but with some team success and the infrastructure there to build youth hockey they are going in the right direction to becoming profitable or at least bolster their fan base.

It's not necessarily a troll if it's become the official stance of the Canadian media for the last 20 years.


That's a fairly blanket statement that is rather untrue, I see more hurr durr no snow from comments sections than I ever have an article and to be honest I can't remember the last time I watched a HNIC or TSN where they made such a claim. Phoenix has, so far, been a sore spot on the leagues record but hubiestubert has done a good job showing the steps they're taking to put it on the right track.

Hell, everyone is on the love affair of Nashville and how well their fanbase is rallying behind their team right now.
 
2012-05-01 06:50:16 AM

DenisBergkamp: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: DenisBergkamp: hubiestubert: You'd think that folks would be happy to see the sport expand. To grow. To reach new fans. To create new fans..

I think you're responding to a troll. The "hurr durr no snow" crowd are idiots, plain and simple. However it's unfair to think new markets in a warm weather area like Phoenix aren't up against a bigger challenge than throwing a team in Winnipeg or Hamilton.

The thing you hit on that I agree with the most is the youth movement and how important it is to have minor league hockey in the area. Phoenix may be a complete money pit right now but with some team success and the infrastructure there to build youth hockey they are going in the right direction to becoming profitable or at least bolster their fan base.

It's not necessarily a troll if it's become the official stance of the Canadian media for the last 20 years.

That's a fairly blanket statement that is rather untrue, I see more hurr durr no snow from comments sections than I ever have an article and to be honest I can't remember the last time I watched a HNIC or TSN where they made such a claim. Phoenix has, so far, been a sore spot on the leagues record but hubiestubert has done a good job showing the steps they're taking to put it on the right track.

Hell, everyone is on the love affair of Nashville and how well their fanbase is rallying behind their team right now.


Dave Shoalts and Stephen Brunt at the Toronto Globe and Mail are notable anti-sunbelt people in the Canadian media.

They were also shameless cheerleaders for that slimeball Balsillie.
 
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