Tatsuma: God-is-a-Taco: Oh yeah you're Jewish. What happened then? I'm honestly interested to hear a adherent's view of it.

Well there are different versions of what happened described in the various midrashim (homiletic method of biblical exegesis) and Kabbalistic texts dwell on this much more and in a more precise manner.

The thing is, those stories are not meant to be taken literally, and contain incredibly deep secrets that you need proper knowledge to be able to understand.

So that's an "I-don't-know-and-neither-does-anyone-else" then?

It's a sin to pay even the slightest attention to Joel Osteen. Putting on my hair shirt.

Durendal: TheOmni: If you are saying that gay is a sin in any way, regardless of however else you are acting, you are saying hateful and damaging things. It's just a significantly more polite and calm version of what the Westboro Baptist Church has been saying. There's not that extreme hate and bile right at the top, but the hate and bile is still in the message. As long as you are claiming that being gay is a sin you can't remove the hate from that message.

Gotta call bullshiat here. Not that I have any love for Bible-thumping assholes, but using this logic, you can say that believing anything that anyone does is wrong for any reason means it's just hate and bile. Not every church is about fire and brimstone, and not every Christian is an angry hatemonger. There's no shortage of such in the news, but believe it or not, that's not always the case. Christianity believes that a great number of things are sinful. That doesn't mean they hate every sinner by default.


Careful, now. You're speaking the truth and that will upset all the Farkers waiting to jump down your throat.

Tatsuma: DingleberryMoose:

Oh, trust me, while they were paraphrases, those are things that Gandhi absolutely said.

He was a really racist dickhead.

Good to know you and the G-Man have something in common.

Cewley: you ever looked at Osteen? the gaydar is going bonkers.

Yeah, I think we should expect incriminating photos pretty soon...

wademh: TheOmni: I really hate this whole thing. It's a bunch of nonsense. If you believe that homosexuality is a sin then you have to believe that homosexuals are going to hell. So you can say that you don't hate them, don't discriminate, want to treat them as equals, but you are still believing that they deserve to go to hell and be tortured for eternity or whatever hell entails. And this is especially damaging when you consider that young people hear this message, but aren't mentally developed enough to manage that level of double think. So they simply see gay is a sin, sins are bad, gays are bad. That is what enables anti-gay bullying in schools that has killed many people based solely on their sexuality or perceived sexuality.

If you are saying that gay is a sin in any way, regardless of however else you are acting, you are saying hateful and damaging things. It's just a significantly more polite and calm version of what the Westboro Baptist Church has been saying. There's not that extreme hate and bile right at the top, but the hate and bile is still in the message. As long as you are claiming that being gay is a sin you can't remove the hate from that message.

You commit the naturalistic fallacy, the is:ought fallacy. Suppose it is a sin to not attend church on Sunday. That doesn't mean I want people who don't attend church to go to hell even if I might believe that's their destiny. I don't attend any church and I don't believe in such destinies, but that's beside the point. There remains a distinct difference between what I want to happen and what I might believe will happen.

This is not to defend anybody's beliefs or lack of beliefs. It is just a basic matter of logic.

WRONG!!!

They CHOOSE to believe that shiat. It's not just something that falls in their lap.

wademh: No. You don't get it. It has nothing to do with any claims in or out of a specific religion. Consult Hume.
The point at issue is the distinction between what one thinks is the way things are versus how one thinks things should be.
You may observe that things are one way without advocating that things should be that way.
You may observe that gravity is a real phenomenon without wanting apples to fall from trees.
You may observe that people with stage 4 cancer a likely to die of cancer soon without wanting them to die soon.

I refrain from commenting on if a belief that X is a sin is inherently hateful in and of itself. However, believing that X is a sin does not necessitate a belief that people who X should be punished. Logic does not have escape clauses.

I have never met a christian that didn't think that sin should be punished somehow. Not all of them believe that they should be the ones punishing it (some do, some think that god should do the punishing). But if it is a sin it is deserving of punishment. It is a sin because god said so. Whatever god says is a sin is a sin there is no arguing this point with any christian. If god says something is a sin and that "sin" would help many and hurt no one then it is still bad to do it. The problem is that almost all sins you can ask forgiveness for and move on promising never to do them again or at least to try not to do them again. If I murder someone or deal drugs or steal then admit that it was wrong I don't have to do it again and I can make my life better and do right from here on out. Being gay is not like that. He said "being gay is a sin". So It is not something that you can ask forgiveness for and move on because simply being gay is a sin. every day you wake up you are already sinning simply by existing. As for the whole love the sinner hate the sin thing that gets kind of hard to do when you believe that the sinner is continuously choosing sin over god with every breath they take.

I love how SuwonROKs couldn't even make a cogent response to my real story of getting bashed.

Tatsuma: God-is-a-Taco: Oh yeah you're Jewish. What happened then? I'm honestly interested to hear a adherent's view of it.

Well there are different versions of what happened described in the various midrashim (homiletic method of biblical exegesis) and Kabbalistic texts dwell on this much more and in a more precise manner.

The thing is, those stories are not meant to be taken literally, and contain incredibly deep secrets that you need proper knowledge to be able to understand.

Oh joy! It is Tatsuma with its "you are not qualified to know the secrets that I know" message! You just love pretending that you are smarter than everyone else and you love to try and laud over everyone that you have secret knowledge that no one else does!

Well, riddle me this, if this supposed god of yours wants to reach as many people as possible then why in all of Hades would he make his message so secretive and require "proper knowledge to be able to understand" it?

utharda: The day I meet an atheist with any understanding theology is the day I'll take up a diet of hats. From Hitchens, to Dawkins most every atheist I've met is either shouting at clouds with no more empirical evidence than I have.


In all fairness, the entire topic is completely irrational. There is no empirical evidence, and rational types are at a disadvantage by trying to get their brains to work in an irrational way to "understand" theology.

tommydee: It's a sin to pay even the slightest attention to Joel Osteen. Putting on my hair shirt.

Wear cotton underneath or your nipples will itch.

Samaura: Fark Me To Tears: Godscrack: So he's saying 'Being gay is a sin and you're going to burn in hell.'

But he still loves you. You're still welcome to join his church and give him money.

Exactly. Well said. Thank you.

It is a sin. We all do it, for all of sinned and fallen short of the glory. The wages of sin is death, You get what you earn.

But the POINT of christianity, is the -way out-, Forgiveness, offered by the one man who could have saved himself but chose not to. You know the story..


You all know the story....
You just dont focus on the good parts, only the parts that try and help you become better, more forgiving and loving people.

Keep on hatin, it only makes them worse.

I didn't eat the fruit of the tree, why should I be tormented for it? How would you like it if you were constantly being harassed and beaten up by a gang for something your great-great-great-great grandparents did to theirs when you've done nothing to them?

"Original sin" is horseshiat. Another means to scare and control people.

Keizer_Ghidorah: "Original sin" is horseshiat. Another means to scare and control people.

Whose theology are you working from here? That doesn't sound like any of the original sin theologies/concepts I've seen, except possibly for the SBC church I was stuck in as a kid. And remember, God didn't kick everyone out of Eden, just Adam and Eve. Cain's wife and her people were already living outside Eden when the whole fall of man thing went down.

Serious Black: In other words, we can love teh gheys if they turn celibate and deny their identity.

No he was saying that it's a sin but that doesn't mean they should be treated any different than the rest of us sinners.

TheOmni: I really hate this whole thing. It's a bunch of nonsense. If you believe that homosexuality is a sin then you have to believe that homosexuals are going to hell. So you can say that you don't hate them, don't discriminate, want to treat them as equals, but you are still believing that they deserve to go to hell and be tortured for eternity or whatever hell entails. And this is especially damaging when you consider that young people hear this message, but aren't mentally developed enough to manage that level of double think. So they simply see gay is a sin, sins are bad, gays are bad. That is what enables anti-gay bullying in schools that has killed many people based solely on their sexuality or perceived sexuality.

If you are saying that gay is a sin in any way, regardless of however else you are acting, you are saying hateful and damaging things. It's just a significantly more polite and calm version of what the Westboro Baptist Church has been saying. There's not that extreme hate and bile right at the top, but the hate and bile is still in the message. As long as you are claiming that being gay is a sin you can't remove the hate from that message.

Speaking as a bisexual, no, not really. Yes, the hate is still there, but this guy is also saying that they shouldn't be trying to enforce their religion into law.

In a perfect world, they wouldn't say being gay is a sin. In a realistic world, they aren't going to enforce their bigotry by law. I think a lot of GBLTQ people are going to be happy with realism.

DingleberryMoose: Keizer_Ghidorah: "Original sin" is horseshiat. Another means to scare and control people.

Whose theology are you working from here? That doesn't sound like any of the original sin theologies/concepts I've seen, except possibly for the SBC church I was stuck in as a kid. And remember, God didn't kick everyone out of Eden, just Adam and Eve. Cain's wife and her people were already living outside Eden when the whole fall of man thing went down.

God made it pretty plain to Adam and Eve that they and their descendents will be forever tortured when he tossed them out. Eve and all of her daughters will experience painful and dangerous childbirth, Adam and all of his sons will contend with the crops withering and the animals attacking.

DingleberryMoose:
gimmegimme: And if you have no empirical evidence to support your belief in a deity, why do you bother?

I've been popping off a lot in this thread, but this deserves a serious answer from me because it strikes a chord. My first memory is being beaten with a 2x2 by my mother because I said something that upset her in front of her mother. I was three years old and I can remember dreading it because I know it was coming. Mom and I went home with Mom upset, she dragged me out of the car and into the back yard and beat the crap out of me. I used to wear long pants all summer to hide the marks on my legs. It happened repeatedly until I was old and big enough to successfully fight back. Dad's a pussy and didn't stop it. I can remember being in our unused bedroom, sitting in the closet after the beatings, and trying to get over the emotional and physical pain. Something, or someone, was there to help. I think it was God. Whether you believe is up to you, but I've felt what I've felt.

I think you give your own strength too little credit.

Keizer_Ghidorah: God made it pretty plain to Adam and Eve that they and their descendents will be forever tortured when he tossed them out. Eve and all of her daughters will experience painful and dangerous childbirth, Adam and all of his sons will contend with the crops withering and the animals attacking.

Those who had been privileged to live in the garden, Adam and Eve, had their privileges removed when they messed up. The people for whom Cain was marked, the ones Cain feared and the ones from whom his wife came, were already out of the garden. Adam and Eve just messed up their special deal with God and had to suffer the consequences. It's a recurring theme in the OT. God says, "I like you, I'll give you something nice if you'll be good." The people sin. God punishes them. Adam and Eve. The tower of Babel. The Flood. The Diaspora. The time of slavery in Egypt...

tgregory: [i.imgur.com image 600x338]

If he were a Jew, this would be a reasonable point. Except he works Sunday, not on the Sabbath.

king_nacho: tgregory: [i.imgur.com image 600x338]

read the New Testament, all your points will be answered there.

*shakes tiny internet fist*

tgregory: [i.imgur.com image 600x338]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

king_nacho: The basis itself isn't inherently irrational, it is the fragmentation and dissemination of misinformation that is the problem.


Uh...yes, the entire basis of the topic is completely irrational. Belief in god is irrational, period. Doesn't matter which one, either, they all depend on type 1 Faith which is diametrically opposed to Rationality. All of the fragmentation and dissemination of misinformation is another subject, as is ethics and morality.

king_nacho: RabidRythmDivas: SuperNinjaToad:
Does the Bible state that homosexuality is a sin? I think everyone knows the answer to that.

Obviously, they don't.

It states that sodomy is a sin.

1) Sodomy is not the same thing as homosexuality.
2) Sodomy isn't even a word in the Bible.

tgregory: [i.imgur.com image 600x338]

You forgot "Secretly sucks dick".

Mock26: Tatsuma: God-is-a-Taco: Oh yeah you're Jewish. What happened then? I'm honestly interested to hear a adherent's view of it.

Well there are different versions of what happened described in the various midrashim (homiletic method of biblical exegesis) and Kabbalistic texts dwell on this much more and in a more precise manner.

The thing is, those stories are not meant to be taken literally, and contain incredibly deep secrets that you need proper knowledge to be able to understand.

Oh joy! It is Tatsuma with its "you are not qualified to know the secrets that I know" message! You just love pretending that you are smarter than everyone else and you love to try and laud over everyone that you have secret knowledge that no one else does!

Well, riddle me this, if this supposed god of yours wants to reach as many people as possible then why in all of Hades would he make his message so secretive and require "proper knowledge to be able to understand" it?

Proper knowledge is code for "deluded yourself to an appropriate level that any bullshiat we say makes sense". Kinda like how the Scientologists don't tell you about Xenu or the Thetans until you've been properly brainwashed.

bhcompy: tgregory: [i.imgur.com image 600x338]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

I'm without sin because I don't believe in sin. And we should all sin anyway - otherwise Jesus died for nothing.

/Going to Hell
//Not really

king_nacho: FarkinHostile: utharda: The day I meet an atheist with any understanding theology is the day I'll take up a diet of hats. From Hitchens, to Dawkins most every atheist I've met is either shouting at clouds with no more empirical evidence than I have.


In all fairness, the entire topic is completely irrational. There is no empirical evidence, and rational types are at a disadvantage by trying to get their brains to work in an irrational way to "understand" theology.

The basis itself isn't inherently irrational, it is the fragmentation and dissemination of misinformation that is the problem. Certainly the bible makes certain things clear, it tells you not to murder or lie, or any number of things that most people feel makes sense. Some people use those teachings to show that while you may find success doing those things on this world, that at some point karma will come around and you will have to pay for sins.

Of the ethical code types things in the bible, there are very few we can legislate because in America we feel that people have the right to be wrong. Adultery isn't illegal anymore, you can lie, you don't have to honor your father. But in general most people believe those things to be wrong, there is nothing irrational to say that there is a higher power that holds that these ethical codes are real.

What if we had no such code, what if there was no greater belief that people followed? What if people that were on the fence believed that they would pay no long term debt for their actions and opted to send the world into anarchy. Many of the greatest minds in science believed in a God, and in the importance of understanding that in the great scheme of things we are but a tiny spec in what is certainly a much larger universe that we've only begun to understand.

[citation needed]

Seriously though... the only reason you don't do bad shiat is because you're afraid of your deity punishing you after you die? What you're saying is that you're basically a sociopath that's only held in check by your imagination? Or perhaps, just perhaps, there is a more universal ethical set we've all tended to follow, since that makes our societies stronger, and the people and groups that don't follow those standards tend to get weeded out. There are a lot more religions than just your one God, and more people who believe them. Yet, somehow, their society doesn't fall apart... strange, isn't it? How the facts are in complete opposition to sanctimonious bullshiat you just spewed?

It is ENTIRELY irrational to say ANYTHING about a higher power. It's kind of a prerequisite, in fact.

king_nacho: FarkinHostile: king_nacho: The basis itself isn't inherently irrational, it is the fragmentation and dissemination of misinformation that is the problem.


Uh...yes, the entire basis of the topic is completely irrational. Belief in god is irrational, period. Doesn't matter which one, either, they all depend on type 1 Faith which is diametrically opposed to Rationality. All of the fragmentation and dissemination of misinformation is another subject, as is ethics and morality.

Faith is not irrational, faith is a requirement for all humanity. It take faith to cross the street, you have no guarantee that the person will stop at the red light and not kill you. You have faith that they will obey the traffic signals, and that they aren't a crazy person out for your blood. It is rational to assume these things, but it takes just as much faith.

Now, i think belief that a God that likes muddle in the day-to-day affairs of people just for the lulz, is certainly irrational, but in the idea of a creator that started the process, attached some general rules (Physics, Evolution, Chemistry, etc), is certainly rational.

So, by your logic, a flat earth is just as wrong as thinking the earth is spherical? There are degrees of wrongness, just as there are degrees of faith. In fact, I DON'T have faith that other person is going to stop at the light. I wait until I see evidence that they are stopping before I cross. Funny, that... using evidence instead of blind faith. Makes me safer, too... I haven't been in any vehicular altercations in my last 16 years of driving. Faith is only useful when it's propped up by evidence.

You keep claiming that a creator is rational, but you don't actually seem to understand what rationality is.

Cewley: you ever looked at Osteen? the gaydar is going bonkers.

I came here to say that. If he ain't gay he missed a hell of an opertunity

king_nacho: Of the ethical code types things in the bible, there are very few we can legislate because in America we feel that people have the right to be wrong. Adultery isn't illegal anymore, you can lie, you don't have to honor your father. But in general most people believe those things to be wrong, there is nothing irrational to say that there is a higher power that holds that these ethical codes are real.

There is nothing irrational in believing those things are wrong and there were moral and ethical codes throughout the world enforced by both gods and kings outside of judaism, there is nothing special about the judeo-chritian philosophy in what it condemns. The irrationality comes with the higher power part. That is in itself irrational, belief without proof or in the face of proof is the very deffinition of irrrationality.

ir·ra·tion·al /ɪˈræʃənl/ Show Spelled[ih-rash-uh-nl] Show IPA
adjective
1. without the faculty of reason; deprived of reason.
2. without or deprived of normal mental clarity or sound judgment.
3. not in accordance with reason; utterly illogical: irrational arguments

king_nacho: Faith is not irrational, faith is a requirement for all humanity. It take faith to cross the street, you have no guarantee that the person will stop at the red light and not kill you. You have faith that they will obey the traffic signals, and that they aren't a crazy person out for your blood. It is rational to assume these things, but it takes just as much faith.

"A probabilistic assumption that previously observed patterns will continue to occur" and "the substance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen" are not the same thing. I'm afraid that's straight-up equivocation.

SuwonROKs: TheOmni: I really hate this whole thing. It's a bunch of nonsense. If you believe that homosexuality is a sin then you have to believe that homosexuals are going to hell. So you can say that you don't hate them, don't discriminate, want to treat them as equals, but you are still believing that they deserve to go to hell and be tortured for eternity or whatever hell entails. And this is especially damaging when you consider that young people hear this message, but aren't mentally developed enough to manage that level of double think. So they simply see gay is a sin, sins are bad, gays are bad. That is what enables anti-gay bullying in schools that has killed many people based solely on their sexuality or perceived sexuality.

If you are saying that gay is a sin in any way, regardless of however else you are acting, you are saying hateful and damaging things. It's just a significantly more polite and calm version of what the Westboro Baptist Church has been saying. There's not that extreme hate and bile right at the top, but the hate and bile is still in the message. As long as you are claiming that being gay is a sin you can't remove the hate from that message.

No. Religious people also say drinking alcohol is a sin. They say having sex before marriage is a sin. You don't see people being bullied for those things. Your argument fails. Gays get bullied in school because they partake in a lifestyle that is totally unnatural. It's also seen as a lot more disgusting than sex before marriage. I'm not condoning the bullying, in fact I would love to see that go away. But they definitely aren't getting bullied because of what the churches say, you are giving them too much credit.

/an athiest
//Homosexuality goes against the laws of nature

If only there was a farker here who could give us his detailed definition of what Nature was.

Nick the what!?
The Dick.

king_nacho: I'm sorry, i was paraphrasing, but:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

You are right, it doesn't say Sodomy, it says the sexually immoral, and men who have sex with men.

That translation is based on the word arsenokoitai, which Paul seems to have made up. People don't know what it means, so they guessed by using a bad translation practice called root fallacy. They assume that since it appears to be made of the root words "male" and "bed" that it means homosexuality. Using the same translation practice, I can say that "butterfly" means butter that flies and a "lady killer" is a person who kills women.

John Boswell in his book Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality noted that the word appears rarely in texts after Paul and never before him, but in one non-biblical text it was used. If we take the assumption that it means homosexuality, then the use there would be translated as "Even the Men committed homosexuality with their wives". It seems unlikely that your word means what you think it means.

Sorry, Corinthians (and Timothy, where the word is repeated) is not a proof of anything except people seeing what they want to see.

Gordon Bennett: God-is-a-Taco: Really? Hmm. I could have sworn it was strongly hinted the sly trickster was that sly trickster with a dozen names. Wasn't he usually depicted as serpentine?

That was in Paradise Lost by John Milton. The modern idea of Satan is largely based on that work. Many people confuse quotes from it as being from the Bible.

The Jewish Bible/Christian Old Testament has no mention whatsoever of Satan or a devil figure of any kind. The concept simply doesn't exist in Judaism. It's all God, whether merciful, wrathful, creating or demanding.

I could be wrong, but what about the book of Job?

king_nacho: Faith is not irrational, faith is a requirement for all humanity. It take faith to cross the street, you have no guarantee that the person will stop at the red light and not kill you. You have faith that they will obey the traffic signals, and that they aren't a crazy person out for your blood. It is rational to assume these things, but it takes just as much faith.

Now, i think belief that a God that likes muddle in the day-to-day affairs of people just for the lulz, is certainly irrational, but in the idea of a creator that started the process, attached some general rules (Physics, Evolution, Chemistry, etc), is certainly rational.



I was quite specific in saying TYPE 1 FAITH vs "faith". Type 1 faith is "intransigent faith". By this is meant faith that will not be affected by any sort of contrary evidence, no matter how strong. Religion generally falls in this category. No matter how much evidence is shown that the bible is a contradictory, flawed work of Man, Believers refuse to accept that it is anything less that the literal Word of God.

You site an example of Type 3 Faith, which is "hypotheses based upon evidence." They are NOT the same, not even close.

Want to know more about the different kinds of faith?

Three Types of Faith

/Belief in god: Type 2 faith or "the will to believe."
//As defined by Professor Kurtz it is "willful belief...where there is insufficient or no evidence either way to make a rational choice.
///I also hold many irrational beliefs, just not that one

I was baptized a Lutheran and am now an Episcopalian. I am also a Daughter of the King. I raise my children in our church and my husband and I are active in it.

We have two openly gay couples in our church and NO ONE CARES. They are awesome!

The bible is the word of man--it was written by man; it is hearsay. No one saw God or Jesus sit down at a word processor and type or dictate it. It has also suffered under translation, transcription error, and redactors. No one really knows what was in the original.

Being gay is not a sin. It is not sinful behavior. I do not believe they are going to hell.

We cannot naturally breathe underwater without help--even in the womb we get oxygen through the umbilical cord--therefore, God did not mean for us to live underwater like those creatures who can.

If God did not mean for us to be gay, He would not have given us the capacity to feel those feelings.

I admit, this is an oversimplification and not the best example, but it is the one I like to drag out when people tell me "it's not natural." Well, honey, neither is liposuction, hair dye, fake nails, fake eyelashes, boob jobs, artificial insemination, invitro fertilization, or about 1000 other things that we live well with that are unnatural. Protest those and call them sins (eating shellfish, clothes of mixed fabric, working on the Sabbath, etc.) or STFU.

I introduced my co-worker's wife as HER wife. I told my kids they are married just like their daddy and I are married. The two gay couples in my church, I introduced them to my kids as husband and husband and wife and wife. That is what they want. I see nothing wrong with that.

Hey, if I am wrong, at least I tried my best to show love and respect to everyone. I did not cast any stones, as I am clearly not without sin.

Thanks!

Mock26: Tatsuma: God-is-a-Taco: Oh yeah you're Jewish. What happened then? I'm honestly interested to hear a adherent's view of it.

Well there are different versions of what happened described in the various midrashim (homiletic method of biblical exegesis) and Kabbalistic texts dwell on this much more and in a more precise manner.

The thing is, those stories are not meant to be taken literally, and contain incredibly deep secrets that you need proper knowledge to be able to understand.

Oh joy! It is Tatsuma with its "you are not qualified to know the secrets that I know" message! You just love pretending that you are smarter than everyone else and you love to try and laud over everyone that you have secret knowledge that no one else does!

Well, riddle me this, if this supposed god of yours wants to reach as many people as possible then why in all of Hades would he make his message so secretive and require "proper knowledge to be able to understand" it?

Or as Judas would sing:

You'd have managed better
If you'd had it planned
Now why'd you choose such a backward time
And such a strange land?

If you'd come today
You could have reached the whole nation
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication
Don't you get me wrong

Shakespeare's Sister: I am also a Daughter of the King

Lisa Marie?

king_nacho: There will never be proof one way or another as to what came before the big bang.


Well, that's certainly a bold statement, don't you think?

And yet you believe there is "Proof" of the Big Bang.

Huh.

tgregory: bhcompy: tgregory: [i.imgur.com image 600x338]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

I'm without sin because I don't believe in sin. And we should all sin anyway - otherwise Jesus died for nothing.

/Going to Hell
//Not really

Kind of the point. I think it whooshed you