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(Daily Mail)   When Obama goes fundraising, liberals defend him by saying "politicians have to raise money." When he goes fundraising more than the last five presidents COMBINED, they defend him by saying that "it's much harder for him"   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-04-30 02:48:03 AM  
It's a shame that he's leaving. I don't think I've ever argued with anyone who was so bad at thinking rationally.

I've never smoked pot before, but if that's what it does to your critical thinking skills I'm sure as hell not going to start now.
 
2012-04-30 02:49:00 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Oh, I see. It doesn't count because you don't like it.


Exactly, why would I vote for someone who does things I don't like? You can support half assed healthcare that is based on dubious constitutional grounds but I don't. With that, I am truly out, I swear.
 
2012-04-30 02:50:32 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: It's a shame that he's leaving. I don't think I've ever argued with anyone who was so bad at thinking rationally.

I've never smoked pot before, but if that's what it does to your critical thinking skills I'm sure as hell not going to start now.


Oh STFU you assclown, you are just a dense but somehow arrogant and pretentious person. Oh how edgy, you're anti-weed too! Go fark yourself.
 
2012-04-30 02:50:36 AM  

TheJoe03: cameroncrazy1984: Oh, I see. It doesn't count because you don't like it.

Exactly, why would I vote for someone who does things I don't like? You can support half assed healthcare that is based on dubious constitutional grounds but I don't. With that, I am truly out, I swear.


Sure. You can say you don't like it. But you initially accused Obama of not implementing any change.

Regardless of whether you like it or not, the ACA represents a huge change in the healthcare industry.
 
2012-04-30 02:51:26 AM  

TheJoe03: Oh STFU you assclown, you are just a dense but somehow arrogant and pretentious person. Oh how edgy, you're anti-weed too! Go fark yourself.


Huh, that's odd.

I never said I was anti-weed. I just said I'd never do it. And thank you for convincing me never to try.
 
2012-04-30 02:53:50 AM  

TheJoe03: HE gave them a trillion dollars


When?
 
2012-04-30 02:54:00 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Sure. You can say you don't like it. But you initially accused Obama of not implementing any change.


Change for the better, not just change. Bush made some pretty big changes as well, all terrible.
 
2012-04-30 02:54:45 AM  

The Why Not Guy: When?


I concede that but he did support it, no question.
 
2012-04-30 02:56:09 AM  

TheJoe03: cameroncrazy1984: Sure. You can say you don't like it. But you initially accused Obama of not implementing any change.

Change for the better, not just change. Bush made some pretty big changes as well, all terrible.


You didn't specify. Perhaps in the future you'll think more critically about what you're saying.

Bush's changes: Tax cuts, two wars and a $1.4 trillion deficit

Obama's changes: One war and healthcare reform.

And people wonder why we support Obama.
 
2012-04-30 02:58:33 AM  

TheJoe03: I concede that but he did support it, no question.


Oh no you don't, sugar. You said Obama gave Wall Street a trillion dollars. Since TARP was signed by President Bush in October of 2008 (and wasn't anywhere near a trillion dollars) you must be referring to something else.

So when did Obama give Wall Street a trillion dollars?
 
2012-04-30 02:59:21 AM  
c'mon subby. not cool.
 
2012-04-30 03:00:13 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: You didn't specify. Perhaps in the future you'll think more critically about what you're saying.

Bush's changes: Tax cuts, two wars and a $1.4 trillion deficit

Obama's changes: One war and healthcare reform.

And people wonder why we support Obama.


I didn't think I needed to explain that when Obama talked about change, he meant for the better. Common sense seems to be something you have no concept of, you dense bastard. Also, Bush was an example, I support Obama over Bush by a whole shiat ton. I also would vote for Obama again since McCain/Palin scared the hell out of me, so again you are falsely portraying my positions. You purposely ignore anything I say that goes against your limited worldview is, but I guess it makes you feel better to misrepresent what I am saying.
 
2012-04-30 03:00:59 AM  

TheJoe03: cameroncrazy1984: Wait. Voting for Obama because he said in 2007 that he would escalate the war in Afghanistan, and then defending him when he is doing just that makes us "partisans"?

Put down the pipe, man. Seriously.

That's not all you're defending and you still have failed to explain why we are still in Afghanistan in the first place. The fact you support the war in Afghanistan right now is your problem, I'm letting you know that I think the war is pointless and a major downside of Obama's policies, IMO.


The region is highly unstable. Talliban are increasing their attacks. You remember those guys, dont you? They gave safe haven to the people who flew two planes into the WTC, one into the Pentagon, one into a field in PA, blew a hole in a Navy ship, attacked and killed many in our embassy bombings, and attempted to take down the WTC via a truck bomb.

If we were to leave, the Afghan government will not be strong enough to withstand an assault from these jihadists, and we will be in the same situation again.

That is why we are in Afghanistan.
 
2012-04-30 03:02:16 AM  

The Why Not Guy: TheJoe03: I concede that but he did support it, no question.

Oh no you don't, sugar. You said Obama gave Wall Street a trillion dollars. Since TARP was signed by President Bush in October of 2008 (and wasn't anywhere near a trillion dollars) you must be referring to something else.

So when did Obama give Wall Street a trillion dollars?


And I admit that I was wrong about that point, which is why I conceded it. Let it go man.
 
2012-04-30 03:02:36 AM  

s2s2s2: Money in tha hands of those who will hold it tightly: good.
Money in the hands of those that will share it: bad.

Also, he is black.


The good you believe he holds doesn't exist in politics.
 
2012-04-30 03:03:05 AM  

cman: You remember those guys, dont you? They gave safe haven to the people who flew two planes into the WTC, one into the Pentagon, one into a field in PA, blew a hole in a Navy ship, attacked and killed many in our embassy bombings, and attempted to take down the WTC via a truck bomb.


Odd. You told me I wasn't supposed to bring up things that happened 10 years ago.
 
2012-04-30 03:03:53 AM  

cman: That is why we are in Afghanistan.


Fair enough, but I feel it will always been unstable. Afghanistan has always been unstable. I don't think it would be very good to occupy Afghanistan forever.
 
2012-04-30 03:04:31 AM  

TheJoe03: And I admit that I was wrong about that point, which is why I conceded it. Let it go man.


You weren't "wrong" you flat out lied.
 
2012-04-30 03:05:16 AM  

The Why Not Guy: cman: You remember those guys, dont you? They gave safe haven to the people who flew two planes into the WTC, one into the Pentagon, one into a field in PA, blew a hole in a Navy ship, attacked and killed many in our embassy bombings, and attempted to take down the WTC via a truck bomb.

Odd. You told me I wasn't supposed to bring up things that happened 10 years ago.


Reread the post I made in that thread, and this time, read the whole post
 
2012-04-30 03:07:33 AM  

cman: Reread the post I made in that thread, and this time, read the whole post


No thanks. Once was more than enough. Standard "do as I say, not as I do" rubbish.
 
2012-04-30 03:08:35 AM  

The Why Not Guy: You weren't "wrong" you flat out lied.


I did not lie on purpose, I was mistaken. Sorry, you can move on now, I don't know what else I should say to apologize for that. I guess you can keep repeating yourself and act like it was nefarious.
 
2012-04-30 03:11:12 AM  

TheJoe03: I did not lie on purpose, I was mistaken.


If you truly thought Obama signed TARP, you have some real problems. First of all, wherever you get your news is lying to you. Second of all, you're severely misinformed about fairly important aspects of our recent history. No wonder nothing you say makes any sense.
 
2012-04-30 03:12:03 AM  

The Why Not Guy: cman: Reread the post I made in that thread, and this time, read the whole post

No thanks. Once was more than enough. Standard "do as I say, not as I do" rubbish.


Fine, then I will explain it. Context, context, context.

Someone posted pictures of Bush after he heard of the 9/11 attacks sitting in the classroom. I said it was a stretch and that for 10 years they could use anything else to show Bush was a moron, but that person chose an event that you really can't use against him as an insult. I was pointing out to this poster that it was a petty partisan attack that they would use this imagery. Kinda like people saying that calling Obama a Muslim is so 2008, I was saying the same thing.
 
2012-04-30 03:15:32 AM  

The Why Not Guy: If you truly thought Obama signed TARP, you have some real problems. First of all, wherever you get your news is lying to you. Second of all, you're severely misinformed about fairly important aspects of our recent history. No wonder nothing you say makes any sense.


No, I remember that TARP was a very major issue in the last election and McCain's lack of focus on the economy and that issue helped killed him. I just kind of forgot when I wrote that. Stop freaking out so much about it, I stay way more informed than you wish to believe. I read and watch the news daily, mainstream news (cause I know you are going to say I like idiots like Alex Jones and such). If you think nothing I said makes sense (nothing, really?) then that's fine, we have different viewpoints. Again, sorry I said he signed TARP.
 
2012-04-30 03:16:05 AM  

cman: I'm going to make up some arbitrary 10 year rule for you but not apply it to myself.


Yes, yes, we know... it's different when you do it.
 
2012-04-30 03:18:15 AM  

The Why Not Guy: cman: I'm going to make up some arbitrary 10 year rule for you but not apply it to myself.

Yes, yes, we know... it's different when you do it.


This is what he's talking about.

I made no "rule" or anything to that point Link
 
2012-04-30 03:19:31 AM  

TheJoe03: No, I remember that TARP was a very major issue in the last election


So you're telling me you remember TARP being an issue before President Obama was elected, but you though he was responsible for it anyway?

Good lord.
 
2012-04-30 03:24:57 AM  

The Why Not Guy: So you're telling me you remember TARP being an issue before President Obama was elected, but you though he was responsible for it anyway?

Good lord.


No no no, I just misspoke. I was typing passionatly to defend my point (I should probably take it easy in the future) and that led to me saying something I remembered was wrong. You guys brought it to my attention, and I on the spot realized I said something wrong. I should have known better, I admit. I still don't know why you are such an asshole that you can't believe that. I see no reason to lie about that, cause in the end none of what we are saying is very important.
 
2012-04-30 03:32:17 AM  
In summation, I am a natural dissenter.

www.brotherswithnogame.com

/Chuck Reed is farkin up!
 
2012-04-30 03:32:25 AM  

TheJoe03: The Why Not Guy: So you're telling me you remember TARP being an issue before President Obama was elected, but you though he was responsible for it anyway?

Good lord.

No no no, I just misspoke. I was typing passionatly to defend my point (I should probably take it easy in the future) and that led to me saying something I remembered was wrong. You guys brought it to my attention, and I on the spot realized I said something wrong. I should have known better, I admit. I still don't know why you are such an asshole that you can't believe that. I see no reason to lie about that, cause in the end none of what we are saying is very important.


If you misspoke, what the hell was your point supposed to be in the first place?
 
2012-04-30 03:35:47 AM  

TheJoe03: I still don't know why you are such an asshole that you can't believe that. I see no reason to lie about that


You said Obama gave Wall Street a trillion dollars, which is false on two levels. First off, TARP was nowhere near a trillion dollars (it ended up being $431 billion). Second, it was signed into law before Obama was even elected President. So if you aren't lying, you're seriously misinformed, and if that makes me the asshole here, no problem. I can live with that just fine.
 
2012-04-30 03:35:50 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: If you misspoke, what the hell was your point supposed to be in the first place?


I didn't base my whole argument on Tarp. Guantanamo, Patriot Act, NDAA, his commitment to the war on drugs, Afghanistan, and his lack of regulation and punishment to those in wall st and the banks were also prominent points I made (well NDAA wasn't, but why not throw that out there at this point, that bill seemed iffy as hell to me). I'm not even saying that Obama hasn't done things I supported, but as a natural dissenter, I will always call our leaders out for what I consider to be a bunch of bs.
 
2012-04-30 03:37:18 AM  

The Why Not Guy: You said Obama gave Wall Street a trillion dollars, which is false on two levels. First off, TARP was nowhere near a trillion dollars (it ended up being $431 billion). Second, it was signed into law before Obama was even elected President. So if you aren't lying, you're seriously misinformed, and if that makes me the asshole here, no problem. I can live with that just fine


Dude, did I not already explain this to you? The fact that I've had to so many times is why you are an a-hole. I have said sorry, I'm not sure what other word we have in our language that conveys that I farked up and I apologize. Let it go.
 
2012-04-30 03:38:06 AM  

The Why Not Guy: TheJoe03: I still don't know why you are such an asshole that you can't believe that. I see no reason to lie about that

You said Obama gave Wall Street a trillion dollars, which is false on two levels. First off, TARP was nowhere near a trillion dollars (it ended up being $431 billion). Second, it was signed into law before Obama was even elected President. So if you aren't lying, you're seriously misinformed, and if that makes me the asshole here, no problem. I can live with that just fine.


So, you are just gonna jump over my response to you and attack a different person?

You are an asshole
 
2012-04-30 03:38:10 AM  

TheJoe03: cameroncrazy1984: If you misspoke, what the hell was your point supposed to be in the first place?

I didn't base my whole argument on Tarp. Guantanamo, Patriot Act, NDAA, his commitment to the war on drugs, Afghanistan, and his lack of regulation and punishment to those in wall st and the banks were also prominent points I made (well NDAA wasn't, but why not throw that out there at this point, that bill seemed iffy as hell to me). I'm not even saying that Obama hasn't done things I supported, but as a natural dissenter, I will always call our leaders out for what I consider to be a bunch of bs.


And what you consider to be a bunch of bs are...things he didn't actually do, or things he promised to do that he followed through on?

I don't even want to know the thought process that you have to go through to convince yourself that dissenting no matter what the context is a good thing.
 
2012-04-30 03:40:26 AM  

TheJoe03: I will always call our leaders out for what I consider to be a bunch of bs.


Look, you can't claim that Obama gave Wall Street a trillion dollars and then turn around and portray yourself as the enemy of bs.
 
2012-04-30 03:43:40 AM  

cman: You are an asshole


I've been called worse by better than you. And if he doesn't want to be attacked, perhaps he should refrain from making false claims such as "Obama gave Wall Street a trillion dollars".
 
2012-04-30 03:44:18 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Look, you can't claim that Obama gave Wall Street a trillion dollars and then turn around and portray yourself as the enemy of bs.


Yes I can, I made a mistake but that does not negate my entire worldview and philosophy. Give me a break.
 
2012-04-30 03:45:10 AM  

The Why Not Guy: "Obama gave Wall Street a trillion dollars".


This is just pathetic now, is that all you can cling to? Do you always act so petty?
 
2012-04-30 03:45:15 AM  

The Why Not Guy: cman: You are an asshole

I've been called worse by better than you. And if he doesn't want to be attacked, perhaps he should refrain from making false claims such as "Obama gave Wall Street a trillion dollars".


You made a false claim. You said I was trying to make some rule that didnt apply to myself.
 
2012-04-30 03:49:02 AM  

cman: You made a false claim. You said I was trying to make some rule that didnt apply to myself.


Oh, then it must have been that other cman who said it was partisan to mention something that happened 10 years ago.
 
2012-04-30 03:50:42 AM  

The Why Not Guy: cman: You made a false claim. You said I was trying to make some rule that didnt apply to myself.

Oh, then it must have been that other cman who said it was partisan to mention something that happened 10 years ago.


And people say my reading comprehension sucks
 
2012-04-30 03:50:45 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: And what you consider to be a bunch of bs are...things he didn't actually do, or things he promised to do that he followed through on?

I don't even want to know the thought process that you have to go through to convince yourself that dissenting no matter what the context is a good thing.


Look, I just think Obama could have done a lot better and I do hope he starts doing more great things for the US. At that point I would have to put him among the best presidents in our history. Also, the context for my dissent concerns the things he has done that I don't personally think is very cool.
 
2012-04-30 03:50:54 AM  
Here's the quote from that other cman's post:

"Cant believe that people can be so partisan that they bring this shiat up 10 years past"
 
2012-04-30 03:54:53 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Here's the quote from that other cman's post:

"Cant believe that people can be so partisan that they bring this shiat up 10 years past"


And this is what you said

"cman: I'm going to make up some arbitrary 10 year rule for you but not apply it to myself.

Yes, yes, we know... it's different when you do it."
 
2012-04-30 04:01:18 AM  

cman: And this is what you said...


Because - follow me here - you criticize us as partisans for bringing up the events of 10 years ago, then you bring up the events of 10 years ago. Apparently it's ok for you, but not for us.
 
2012-04-30 04:10:22 AM  

The Why Not Guy: cman: And this is what you said...

Because - follow me here - you criticize us as partisans for bringing up the events of 10 years ago, then you bring up the events of 10 years ago. Apparently it's ok for you, but not for us.


Context. Read my whole post in that thread.

I was explaining to someone in this thread why we were still in Afghanistan. It was not a political attack at all. The thread where I made that statement had someone criticizing Bush and I was pointing out that this was a cheap shot that they could have used a different way to attack him. The situation in which Bush was shown to be in a bad light was a stretch.

Context, context, context
 
2012-04-30 04:27:49 AM  
No, I defend it by saying 'You don't like it, overturn Citizens United or STFU because these are the new rules of the game that you laid down. Don't whine when you lose the fundraising arms race that you started.'
 
2012-04-30 05:06:12 AM  
Some months back, I heard Jimmy Carter talk about how in 1976 and 1980, the total amount raised for both presidental elections, by both parties - was zero. And I think, damn, why can't we get back to that? The current massive money race is using a lot of funds that should be able to go to something more constructive than going straight to the media companies.
 
2012-04-30 06:28:23 AM  

Gosling: overturn Citizens United or STFU


Yeah.
 
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