Say, "yee-haw' to da UP, eh?

No infrastructure, dwindling population, no jobs on the horizon, good luck with that.
Sincerely,
The trolls that live under the bridge
Aka fudgies

now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Why not?

No Cal and So Cal have been discussing it for years. Just depends on if the public vote allows it.

Texas has it as part of their constitution that they can split into 5 separate states. I see no reason why the loser half of a state can't split off to go be fat somewhere else.

This is not news.

In fact, it predates the Civil War.


/Ya, really.

This comes up every now and then. It never goes anywhere. But good luck to them.

Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

yup
weclome to kentucky and west virgina
so

as SOON as the UP leaves MI, there will be a movement to split WUP from EUP. LOL
this is the problem with balkanization.
Plus imagine the humor in DC when they have to find room for 20-200 new senators and 10-100+ new representatives.
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

/The State of Chicago would become the Vegas on the Lake. with gambling, drugs and prostitution. this would be so awesome.

AcademGreen: Atricle IV Sec 3 of the US Constitution:

 New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

well the AWESOME part is that the GOP in congress will be TOTALLY supportive of any and all new states. right?
RIGHT??
Because states' rights are so important?!!@ LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Feh. Alaska had a party dedicated to seceding and becoming its own COUNTRY.

/though I miss Houghton

leevis: Gyrfalcon: Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Why not?

No Cal and So Cal have been discussing it for years. Just depends on if the public vote allows it.

It has nothing to do with the public allowing it. It takes an act of congress to create a new state. Texas' constitution gives it the power to split up into five states but it won't happen unless the feds give the okay.

madgordy: cyberspacedout: The peninsula could just start sucking up to the government of Wisconsin and ask to join their state. Then we all wouldn't have to buy new flags.

when I was in high school this very thing was proposed.

the constitution says that no portion of any state may seek statehood without the approval of the majority of said state. it may even be a super majority or such...

I hear this on and on, the Dems want to break a state, the Gop wants to break a state, smaller and smaller populations, some of our states already have LESS than the # the census wants prior to moving a congressional district.

Guess we're both right.

We fought a war with Ohio over Toledo (why anyone wanted Toledo, I can't imagine). The U.P. was our consolation prize. It worked out well considering the mines in the U.P.

As for succession...not going to happen. I can't imagine the rest of the state going along with it.

madgordy: cyberspacedout: The peninsula could just start sucking up to the government of Wisconsin and ask to join their state. Then we all wouldn't have to buy new flags.

when I was in high school this very thing was proposed.

the constitution says that no portion of any state may seek statehood without the approval of the majority of said state. it may even be a super majority or such...

I hear this on and on, the Dems want to break a state, the Gop wants to break a state, smaller and smaller populations, some of our states already have LESS than the # the census wants prior to moving a congressional district.

Does anyone think that 709,760 per representative compared to the 70k or so when we were formed is good for the country?
NO ONE likes their representation because they are not actually being represented.

LOL

asscorethethird: fark Michigan, They should just merge with Wisconsin. We have beer and cheese.

*guitar riff*

Fark.

You.

/very much.
//Damned cheesehead trolls.

Overfiend: cyberspacedout: The peninsula could just start sucking up to the government of Wisconsin and ask to join their state. Then we all wouldn't have to buy new flags.

As a Wisconsin resident, I would be happy to have the U.P. be part of our great state.

/they should be anywho
//stoopid Toledo!!

Maybe if you learned how to pronounce "sauna" correctly.

Nope. Not even then.

Eh. If they really want to go, they should be allowed to go.

Michigan, as a state, is a startling case of chronic mismanagement -- rebuilding should have begun in the late 70s, when it was clear that the Big Three were going to run into trouble. The rebuilding . . . has still not begun in earnest. Talk, yes; serious action, not so much.

Detroit is amazing. Good and bad. But the bad is more amazing.

I've lived in seven states, from Vermont to Florida to Nebraska to Michigan, and only two of them (both in the Northeast) had halfway decent state governments. Michigan has the worst return on taxes of anywhere I've ever lived. People complain about Massachusetts, but by god there's real infrastructure and services there.

Michigan is nice in a lot of ways. Don't get me wrong.