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2012-04-29 08:48:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: We all know Sybil is the strong one.


Is it better to be feared or loved?

Being permanent is better than both.

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RIP Wuffles.
 
2012-04-29 08:50:28 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Wolfman Johnny: Heron: Goku's powers are basically magic, which is Supes' one weakness, and as a Saiyan he gets stronger after every fight, so I'd put my money on Goku, but only because of his cheesiness.

Doctor Who doesn't really have any super-powers beyond Time-Lord regeneration (and I seem to recall earlier series even treated that as function of the Tardis, not a species-trait). Basically, Doctor Who's abilities consist of knowing more about the Universe than most people due to age and upbringing, his ownership of an omni-tool (sonic screw-driver) that lets him manipulate matter and devices regardless of whether he understands them or not, and the charisma to bs his way through any situation. The Green Lantern is not only an accomplished bser (or no-nonsense brawler, depending on which one you mean), he can make anything he can imagine into reality. So that fight goes to GL.

As to "most powerful", if we're going to include deities then God certainly, since it is conceived of as being able to do anything, and unbound by consistency, ethics, or logic, by its believers. If we're going to disqualify canonically omnipotent and ruleless religious icons however, I'd say Simon the Digger from Gurren Lagaan as, in that series, he literally punches out then impales god to win freedom for the universe.

The TARDIS can turn yellow.

The correct answer is a Black Lantern. They continually regenerate until their ring is destroyed and have constructs and whatever powers the victim had in life, but without their weaknesses. So I guess that makes the absolute most powerlful Black Lantern Martian Manhunter.

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Super Saiyan 3 Goku w/ halo trumps all Black Lanterns because he is already dead but keeps his body.

amiright?
 
2012-04-29 08:52:59 PM  

FROGSTOMPER: Doctor Who is just a cheap imitation of this guy
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He could beat everybody, The Hulk would be easy. He could even take Dr. Strange, he's taken out genies and witches and vampires (abra-capokis!) monsters, martians, I'd be willing to bet he'd take out the entire marvel universe at one time.

Remember when that giant Elmer Fudd was chasing him? He just stuck his foot out and tripped him, that's how he'd handle Galactus.


Huh. Never thought of The Doctor that way. Thanks for the insight.

But Bugs seems more powerful than a typical Time Lord. Rather than having to depend upon a TARDIS and a sonic screwdriver, Bugs can access extra-dimensional space at will to store and retrieve hammers, dynamite, and any other implement he chooses. Also, rather than cheating death via regeneration, Bugs seems to be immune to death... except for the third-to-last scene in "What's Opera Doc".

So The Master is... Daffy Duck?

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2012-04-29 08:55:20 PM  
 
2012-04-29 08:58:16 PM  
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2012-04-29 09:00:22 PM  
Almost any max level D&D Lich.Time stop (beats or at least counters Dr. Who), death magic, immortality, petrification, stoneskin, mind control, magic breaches and, if it's someone that's somehow immune to all that, there's always imprisonment or polymorph. Rapes every comic book character I can think of and laughs about it.
 
2012-04-29 09:02:37 PM  

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I suppose a begrudging argument could be made for the Scarlet Witch.


Yeah. Nearly wiping out an entire race with just one thought is high up.

/I hate Marvel for screwing with her
//I'll be happy when they stop screwing with her.
 
2012-04-29 09:06:38 PM  
Saw an episode in Justice League. Isn't Amazo, (Professor Ivo's Android), pretty much as powerful as it gets? He can teleport planets in a flash, and he brushed aside Superman easily
 
2012-04-29 09:07:27 PM  
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2012-04-29 09:09:53 PM  
Surely one of these Time Lords is the strongest....

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2012-04-29 09:13:22 PM  

King Something: Surely one of these Time Lords is the strongest....

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Well now I know how you spend most of your time. I approve of timelord Aquaman, that sounds positively OUTRAGEOUS!
 
2012-04-29 09:14:43 PM  

Rwa2play: Sail The Wide Accountancy: [media.comicvine.com image 600x300]
I suppose a begrudging argument could be made for the Scarlet Witch.

Yeah. Nearly wiping out an entire race with just one thought is high up.

/I hate Marvel for screwing with her
//I'll be happy when they stop screwing with her.


She's making her comeback. The X-Men hate her, but the Avengers have her back. Vision, however, is super-pissed at her.

And after considering all the entries, I have to put in another vote for Bugs Bunny. When you really lump all the fictional characters together, there's no question that Bugs would win in the end. He's unbeatable. The laws of physics bend to make his victories possible. He'd have Goku in a barber chair with foam all over his face and daisies growing from his bald head. He'd have the Hulk skipping to market like a little girl. He'd have Galactus so confused he'd eat himself. Nobody beats Bugs Bunny... Not even Spider-Man.
 
2012-04-29 09:16:19 PM  
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Within the bounds he's set for himself.
 
2012-04-29 09:17:53 PM  
Well, there's a lot of ways to measure strength. The way I like to put it is a general power level, combined with if they can "Turn it off"./

The Judeo-Christian God would be the most powerful - willed the universe into existence, moves planets, creates life. But it's annoying to some people to include him.

So there's the few very powerful comic/movie beings: Thanatos, Darkseid, the Watchers, the Guardians of Eternity, the less-specific God-type characters (See God in the "Almighty" movies). Beings or groups who could do things similar to the Judeo-Christian God, minus life creation.

Then would come the pantheons and demi-gods - greek, roman, norse, japanese, indian, ect. All powerful but with distinct differences. You could put a lot here - from mythologcial heroes and villains to very powerful comic heroes like Wonder Woman. These people cannot have their abilities turned "Off".

Then would come meta-humans - either specific aliens like Goku and Superman who operate in a place that gives them super powers, or artifically created ones. Hulk is the best example. They are something other then human now. Most of this crew can have their abilities deactivated - knock out Goku, expose Superman to Kryptonite, ect.

Then come enhanced humans - either by science or magic, they're intensely powerful but not of themselves, but you can turn them "off" - Doctor Strange, the GLC, various mages and warlocks, Captain America, Shining Knight, ect. Some enhanced humans can actually be focused humans (see below) that are just that massively better at something very powerful - say Professor X.

Then come peak humans - these are less strong then enhanced humans but they can't be turned off - most of your street-level heroes are here. Punisher, Batman. THey have wide, varied skill sets that let them completed with enhanced or even meta-humans but they're rather useless against the highest end power levels.

Following that, Focused humans - these have one area of perfection but lack otherwise - Green Arrow, for instance, not the detective or physical fighter Batman is, but by far the best bowman in the DCU. Black Widow, fantastic espionage expert but not the strongest fighter.

Then come the average humans - Not particularly skilled, but there's lots of them. Might have an exceptionally narrow focus that could qualify them as Focused - say Oracle's computer skills - but some major deficiency - as in her inability to walk. THey can often have their abilities "turned off" - kill the power and Oracle is much more limited (don't bring up NML, that was a load of bullshat).
 
2012-04-29 09:18:23 PM  

PonceAlyosha: King Something: Surely one of these Time Lords is the strongest....

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Well now I know how you spend most of your time. I approve of timelord Aquaman, that sounds positively OUTRAGEOUS!


He has command of the Creatures of the Deep. No prizes for guessing why he'd have THAT Creature as his first choice.
 
2012-04-29 09:21:14 PM  

gozar_the_destroyer: jayhawk88: Doesn't seem like anyone has mentioned Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann yet, which seems to just about be the trump card in an Vs. battles, unless you start assuming things like The One Above All is a multiversal personification of God.

Although let's stop dumping on Hulk. Writers love to bring the Hulk in as a punching bag for their own characters to show off, but played fairly, there are very few non-cosmics in the MU that are taking Hulk down.

It is simple to kill the Hulk; you find Dr. Bruce Banner and rather than trying to capture him, you use a sniper to put a bullet in his head. Simple.


Well... First of all, Bruce Banner IS dead. The Hulk killed him.

Let me explain: The Hulk went to Dr. Doom and asked him to find a way to separate Bruce from the Hulk. Doom succeeded.

Without Hulk to be his monster, Bruce went full-on Mad Scientist, and made an island full of gamma-radiated animal-men who called him father. He was destructive and insane.

Hulk was petitioned to kill Banner. After a long fight to get to him, Hulk succeeded. Banner was utterly obliterated. Hulk still lives, and he's kind of regretting killing Banner now.

So this whole "shoot Banner in the head" idea? Even if Hulk and Banner were still one being, it wouldn't work. Banner probably wouldn't die (he's been thrown out of airplanes, landed in the cement as Banner, and got up as the Hulk) but even if he did, the Hulk has long been known to be a separate being; Not just Banner with gamma-growth.
 
2012-04-29 09:22:40 PM  

saintstryfe: [describes the Super Weight trope]


Drink!
 
2012-04-29 09:23:06 PM  

Underabridge: Super Saiyan 3 Goku w/ halo trumps all Black Lanterns because he is already dead but keeps his body.

amiright?


Nope. The black rings can bring back anyone who has died, not just people who are dead. They turn Superman, Wonder Woman and like half the universe that way.
 
2012-04-29 09:24:58 PM  

Parthenogenetic:

Huh. Never thought of The Doctor that way. Thanks for the insight.

But Bugs seems more powerful than a typical Time Lord. Rather than having to depend upon a TARDIS and a sonic screwdriver, Bugs can access extra-dimensional space at will to store and retrieve hammers, dynamite, and any other implement he chooses. Also, rather than cheating death via regeneration, Bugs seems to be immune to death... except for the third-to-last scene in "What's Opera Doc".

So The Master is... Daffy Duck?

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I'm glad someone else sees it, I usually get brushed off when I say The Doctor reminds me of Bugs.

Now that you mention it, The Master is sort of like Daffy, and his relationship with the Doctor is similar to Bugs and Daffy's relationship as they share some of the same mental hang-ups.

I think you and I should put together a college course on this, it's not near as stupid as some courses I've heard about.
 
2012-04-29 09:26:38 PM  

ZeroCorpse: And after considering all the entries, I have to put in another vote for Bugs Bunny. When you really lump all the fictional characters together, there's no question that Bugs would win in the end. He's unbeatable. The laws of physics bend to make his victories possible. He'd have Goku in a barber chair with foam all over his face and daisies growing from his bald head. He'd have the Hulk skipping to market like a little girl. He'd have Galactus so confused he'd eat himself. Nobody beats Bugs Bunny... Not even Spider-Man.


And yet, even Bugs isn't invincible...

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/Incredible, ain't it???
 
2012-04-29 09:27:25 PM  

King Something: PonceAlyosha: King Something: Surely one of these Time Lords is the strongest....

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Well now I know how you spend most of your time. I approve of timelord Aquaman, that sounds positively OUTRAGEOUS!

He has command of the Creatures of the Deep. No prizes for guessing why he'd have THAT Creature as his first choice.


Anyone tell me who the two anime characters are? I get the other entries. Though mass kudos for thinking about cthulu being a creature of the deep.

Though that kind of ruins the image of the hellboy comics, since essentially aquaman could have prevented it all.
 
2012-04-29 09:31:43 PM  

Parthenogenetic: ZeroCorpse: And after considering all the entries, I have to put in another vote for Bugs Bunny. When you really lump all the fictional characters together, there's no question that Bugs would win in the end. He's unbeatable. The laws of physics bend to make his victories possible. He'd have Goku in a barber chair with foam all over his face and daisies growing from his bald head. He'd have the Hulk skipping to market like a little girl. He'd have Galactus so confused he'd eat himself. Nobody beats Bugs Bunny... Not even Spider-Man.

And yet, even Bugs isn't invincible...

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/Incredible, ain't it???


ONE enemy beat him, and Bugs threw the fight because it was to sell War Bonds.
 
2012-04-29 09:33:29 PM  
All this time and no mention of The Mask? He has cheating Cartoon Physics and can only be stopped by getting the wearer to take off the mask voluntarily.
 
2012-04-29 09:35:39 PM  
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Make him mad enough, and he'll tear anyone's head RIGHT OFF!
 
2012-04-29 09:36:40 PM  
Cant believe no one else has picked Death.....

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2012-04-29 09:43:37 PM  

scarmig: Heron: scarmig: Gaw, the lack of understanding in this thread is unbelievable. Seriously. Azathoth *dreams* the entire universe into existence. The moment his unconscious, mad dream changes or ends, it *all* changes or ends. Everything. Galacticus. God. Batman. Everything. An insane dream.

Morans.

True, but could Azathoth use that in a fight? The whole point is that Azathoth isn't aware of what it is or of the fact that it is dreaming. To maintain its entertainment, Azathoth's avatar in the dream would keep its true self asleep during any fight it happened to find itself in. Azathoth could certainly unmake everything by waking up, but that isn't really an ability it can wield consciously.


But the parameters are "strongest fictional character". On the scale of immensity, dreaming the entire universe into existence pales all other measures of ability. Everything within that dream serves to continue or end the dream, with no knowledge of what circumstances could result either way. It allows all possible universes to exist, yet none escape its scope.

Azathoth wins, on sheer scale of immensity and totality.


Then also in the running is the Jack Kirby-like god who drew multiple universes into existence seen in The Fantastic Four, and his mysterious 'collaborator' 'nough said indeed.
 
2012-04-29 09:45:37 PM  
The God Emperor by forcing Krazilic on humanity.
 
2012-04-29 09:46:18 PM  
Hey, I was gonna say 'Bee Sting', but he appears to be temporarily unavailable...

Detroit masked superhero, 'Bee Sting' ..."was arrested on Thursday after the shotgun he was carrying while patrolling in a trailer park near Flint went off during a tussle with a man, police said.
The victim, 38-year-old Tom Carter, grabbed the barrel of Besso's gun because he felt threatened by the masked crusader, who went after him for revving up his motorcycle"

/dude doesn't have a fan club, or a comic yet - here's your chance to get in on the ground floor!
 
2012-04-29 09:46:42 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Parthenogenetic: ZeroCorpse: And after considering all the entries, I have to put in another vote for Bugs Bunny. When you really lump all the fictional characters together, there's no question that Bugs would win in the end. He's unbeatable. The laws of physics bend to make his victories possible. He'd have Goku in a barber chair with foam all over his face and daisies growing from his bald head. He'd have the Hulk skipping to market like a little girl. He'd have Galactus so confused he'd eat himself. Nobody beats Bugs Bunny... Not even Spider-Man.

And yet, even Bugs isn't invincible...

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/Incredible, ain't it???

ONE enemy beat him, and Bugs threw the fight because it was to sell War Bonds.


Ha HAAAAA - found another Bugs defeat!

Rhapsody Rabbit
 
2012-04-29 09:47:15 PM  
This thread is suffering a serious lack of Tolkien references.
 
2012-04-29 09:48:48 PM  

randomjsa: So help me I cannot remember the name of it but it has to be at least 15-20 years old now...

Some anime I saw way back when... Had some type of weapon that destroyed the entire universe and used that as energy to power a weapon.

What that weapon was then fired at I'm not sure... Since there would be nothing left.

Don't complain to me about the physics of it all, I thought it was silly even back then.


These guys are the only ones I can think of:

Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann "It is 52.8 billion light years tall according to the offical guide book from GAINAX (仕事魂) and after transforming into a drill its length is multiplied 10 times."

and Super Granzeboma whose attack consists of: "Infinity Big Bang Storm: Granzeboma grabs two galaxies with its larger, shoulder arms and mushes them together into a ball which contains the power of the Big Bang."
 
2012-04-29 09:52:48 PM  

ronin7: scarmig: Heron: scarmig: Gaw, the lack of understanding in this thread is unbelievable. Seriously. Azathoth *dreams* the entire universe into existence. The moment his unconscious, mad dream changes or ends, it *all* changes or ends. Everything. Galacticus. God. Batman. Everything. An insane dream.

Morans.

True, but could Azathoth use that in a fight? The whole point is that Azathoth isn't aware of what it is or of the fact that it is dreaming. To maintain its entertainment, Azathoth's avatar in the dream would keep its true self asleep during any fight it happened to find itself in. Azathoth could certainly unmake everything by waking up, but that isn't really an ability it can wield consciously.


But the parameters are "strongest fictional character". On the scale of immensity, dreaming the entire universe into existence pales all other measures of ability. Everything within that dream serves to continue or end the dream, with no knowledge of what circumstances could result either way. It allows all possible universes to exist, yet none escape its scope.

Azathoth wins, on sheer scale of immensity and totality.

Then also in the running is the Jack Kirby-like god who drew multiple universes into existence seen in The Fantastic Four, and his mysterious 'collaborator' 'nough said indeed.


All a figment of Azathoth's fevered insane dreams.
 
2012-04-29 09:56:52 PM  
And since this thread has remained Godwin-free, might as well get it over with:

Bugs Bunny impersonates Hitler

Amazingly, at 3:50 there is a recapitulation of the Brunhilde scene from "What's Opera Doc"

And at 6:20 Bugs actually meets Hitler
 
2012-04-29 09:59:20 PM  

kroonermanblack: King Something: PonceAlyosha: King Something: Surely one of these Time Lords is the strongest....

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Well now I know how you spend most of your time. I approve of timelord Aquaman, that sounds positively OUTRAGEOUS!

He has command of the Creatures of the Deep. No prizes for guessing why he'd have THAT Creature as his first choice.

Anyone tell me who the two anime characters are? I get the other entries. Though mass kudos for thinking about cthulu being a creature of the deep.

Though that kind of ruins the image of the hellboy comics, since essentially aquaman could have prevented it all.


Brunette in a school uniform -- Haruhi Suzumiya. Has the ability to manipulate the very fabric of reality to suit her whims. Very whimsical and energetic. She is unaware of her power, which is a good thing since she can destroy the entire universe with naught but a thought if she were to decide it was too boring.

Blonde with a silhouette behind her -- Yukari Yakumo. Has the ability to manipulate borders. This includes, but is not limited to, physical objects, locations, metaphysical concepts, and pretty much any thing (that space between "any" and "thing" is not a typo) imaginable -- because for any given thing, there is a boundary between "that thing" and "not that thing." Her power is limited only by her own laziness (she sleeps all day and hibernates during the winter; Garfield is a workaholic by comparison) and her desire to use her power mostly for trolling, like stealing someone's underwear....

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2012-04-29 10:00:46 PM  

glaurunge: This thread is suffering a serious lack of Tolkien references.


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Eru Ilúvatar (you know this to be true)

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if not for that damn scoundrel and his motley crew!

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if not for that damn frail, primitive human form!

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I can go on forever!
 
2012-04-29 10:00:56 PM  

Valarius: Subbette honestly wants to know who Farkers think the strongest Fictional character is and why. Is Goku stronger than Superman? Is Doctor Who better than the Green Lantern?

See... you really can't. Putting aside all geekdom and just looking at the characters you mentioned objectively, it's like comparing apples and crowbars without asking what can both of them do.

They can be used as weapons. Ok, how? An apple can be thrown as a blunt object. An apple can be taken apart and the seeds crushed to make an arsenic powder. If you wanted someone to choke to death, you could cut up the apple and feed it to a target, then make them suddenly laugh. Multiple ways. A crowbar, well, it's mostly a blunt object. But if were made of steel, you could conceivably light sparks off of it and set someone on fire.

Is Goku stronger than Superman? Depends on the question. Sheer power, straight up together? No, Clark is stronger. What if you put their respective "power transformations" into it? Maybe Goku. Depends on the question.

Is Doctor Who "better" than the Green Lantern? In what way? You have to frame these things with a context and question in mind.


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And since the question is "who is strongest?" HULK IS STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!
 
2012-04-29 10:01:31 PM  

MBK: limboslam: spidermann: At first I would say the Hulk, because the madder he gets the stronger he gets and he gets pretty damned mad.


Except that Spider-Man can beat him. Spider-Man can beat all of them. Even Batman.

Marvel even had a story arc where Spider-Man sat around a lab for a time trying to figure out how to beat a gamma irradiated creature that was much like the Hulk. After he was done he declared, "I know how to beat him. Permanently." Then went on to say that he could beat any of the heroes/villains because he doesn't think or fight the way they do, and his inteliigence is hidden with his Bugs Bunny like behavior that nobody expects genius level intellect from him, giving him even more of an advantage.

So, yeah, in terms of "beat everybody and kill them if need be" Spider-Man wins.


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Spidey punches Hulk into space.


Sure, with the power cosmic. And it was the grey hulk.
 
2012-04-29 10:04:26 PM  

ZeroCorpse: On a "here on Earth" scale? My money is always on Spider-Man. He always finds a way to win against opponents who are far more powerful. He beats whole teams of villains that, individually, give guys like the Hulk a hard time.

But if we're talking on a cosmic scale? The Beyonder, followed closely by a fully powered Molecule Man.

The Beyonder is essentially God. He can do anything with a thought. Anything. Granted, he's not in the picture anymore, but when he was around he was the most powerful being in the multiverse.

Molecule Man has absolute control over molecules. ALL molecules. He's almost as tough as the Beyonder, but on a smaller scale. He can do almost anything he can imagine. He could make the likes of Thanos and Galactus his toys if he wanted to.


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On Battleworld, Doom temporarily defeated even the Beyonder...
 
2012-04-29 10:07:47 PM  

Dinobot: BattleFrenchie28: [images.wikia.com image 450x450]
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//yes yes I know King Crimson is stronger, Dio has style which counts for something.

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Wouldn't Made In Heaven (Enricco Pucci) be actually stronger? He accelerates time to infinity until the universe is born again (Yeah, he lost to Weather Report... in a closed room)

Also, Valentine's D4C is rather powerful considering that he basically weaponized dimensional hoping and has basically infinite lives ('cept for that time against Johnny)


I actually was going to post Valentine but I had two problems:

1: I couldn't find a good picture of him
2: I'd have to explain how D4C works
 
2012-04-29 10:11:34 PM  
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2012-04-29 10:14:28 PM  

glaurunge: This thread is suffering a serious lack of Tolkien references.


With a name like "Glaurung", I assume you are a Tolkien nerd yourself?

It is clear in the Tolkien cosmology that only Eru Ilúvatar is divine.

The Valar, while equivalent in power to the Greek and Roman gods, acknowledged themselves as finite beings, the creations of Ilúvatar, and not divine themselves.

Gandalf, Saruman, and Sauron were Maiar, and while they were more powerful than any elf, human, dwarf, or hobbit, are lesser Ainur; servants of the Valar, and not regarded as great powers themselves. They are arguably only slightly more powerful than embodied Ainur such as balrogs, (possibly) dragons, the great eagles (e.g. Thorondor), and sapient beasties like Huan and Carcharoth.
 
2012-04-29 10:15:57 PM  
You all fail.

He beats gods and warps reality. Case closed.
 
2012-04-29 10:17:31 PM  

Spaced Lion: You all fail.

He beats gods and warps reality. Case closed.


Goddammit.

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2012-04-29 10:18:20 PM  

BattleFrenchie28: Dinobot: BattleFrenchie28: [images.wikia.com image 450x450]
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Wouldn't Made In Heaven (Enricco Pucci) be actually stronger? He accelerates time to infinity until the universe is born again (Yeah, he lost to Weather Report... in a closed room)

Also, Valentine's D4C is rather powerful considering that he basically weaponized dimensional hoping and has basically infinite lives ('cept for that time against Johnny)

I actually was going to post Valentine but I had two problems:

1: I couldn't find a good picture of him
2: I'd have to explain how D4C works


I dunno, but I like you... it's hard to find people I can talk JoJo with.

The weakness in D4C is that it needs a foldable surface to work and while makes Valentine basically immune to physical harm (by way of pulling Valentine clones out of other pocket dimensions) is not immune to aging.

It's basically a variation to Pucci's and Made in Heaven, whose weakness is oxygen toxicity which cannot be defended by using the passage of time, specially in the enclosed space of Emporio's Burning Down the House.

You know, I always found Diavolos to be a rather weak Big Bad for Part 5. Not because of his stand, King Crimson was awesome, but his character was weak, his motives were weak -- I did love the whole GioGio, Bruceratti and the rest of the gang story but Diavolos himself was meh...

Also, I could say Killer Queen is possibly the coolest of the Big Bad stands, but possibly also the weakest.
 
2012-04-29 10:18:59 PM  
I think that some consideration has to be given to God's roommate, Chuggs.

After God beat Chuggs in a game of armwrestling by wafting a fart towards him and putting him off, God felt another one coming, and asked Chuggs for his lighter. Using the lighter, God lit his fart, causing the "Big Bang" which created the universe.

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so I wouldn't discount a being who was beating God at armwrestling until God decided to play dirty.
 
2012-04-29 10:19:23 PM  

Parthenogenetic: glaurunge: This thread is suffering a serious lack of Tolkien references.

With a name like "Glaurung", I assume you are a Tolkien nerd yourself?

It is clear in the Tolkien cosmology that only Eru Ilúvatar is divine.

The Valar, while equivalent in power to the Greek and Roman gods, acknowledged themselves as finite beings, the creations of Ilúvatar, and not divine themselves.

Gandalf, Saruman, and Sauron were Maiar, and while they were more powerful than any elf, human, dwarf, or hobbit, are lesser Ainur; servants of the Valar, and not regarded as great powers themselves. They are arguably only slightly more powerful than embodied Ainur such as balrogs, (possibly) dragons, the great eagles (e.g. Thorondor), and sapient beasties like Huan and Carcharoth.


Interesting fact - Gandalf could have whupped Sauron single-handed, but was "forbidden to match his power with power."
 
2012-04-29 10:22:18 PM  
herbie popnecker?
 
2012-04-29 10:23:12 PM  

BattleFrenchie28: Dinobot: BattleFrenchie28: [images.wikia.com image 450x450]
/hot like frozen time
//yes yes I know King Crimson is stronger, Dio has style which counts for something.

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Wouldn't Made In Heaven (Enricco Pucci) be actually stronger? He accelerates time to infinity until the universe is born again (Yeah, he lost to Weather Report... in a closed room)

Also, Valentine's D4C is rather powerful considering that he basically weaponized dimensional hoping and has basically infinite lives ('cept for that time against Johnny)

I actually was going to post Valentine but I had two problems:

1: I couldn't find a good picture of him
2: I'd have to explain how D4C works


And here you go, a good Valentine/D4C pic
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2012-04-29 10:27:37 PM  
subette should be questioning Fark about what sammiches she should be making this evening.
 
2012-04-29 10:28:52 PM  

Spaced Lion: Parthenogenetic: glaurunge: This thread is suffering a serious lack of Tolkien references.

With a name like "Glaurung", I assume you are a Tolkien nerd yourself?

It is clear in the Tolkien cosmology that only Eru Ilúvatar is divine.

The Valar, while equivalent in power to the Greek and Roman gods, acknowledged themselves as finite beings, the creations of Ilúvatar, and not divine themselves.

Gandalf, Saruman, and Sauron were Maiar, and while they were more powerful than any elf, human, dwarf, or hobbit, are lesser Ainur; servants of the Valar, and not regarded as great powers themselves. They are arguably only slightly more powerful than embodied Ainur such as balrogs, (possibly) dragons, the great eagles (e.g. Thorondor), and sapient beasties like Huan and Carcharoth.

Interesting fact - Gandalf could have whupped Sauron single-handed, but was "forbidden to match his power with power."


Am I a nerd in that I understood all that which has been said aprior and agree. Also have an elven dictionary.

Also, all of that exists in Azathoth's dreams. So, trumped.
 
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