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2012-04-30 12:07:38 AM

stuffy: If your dumb enough to buy into an HOA can't really feel sorry for you.


I imagine that folks like YOU are so stupid, that you can't even appreciate the stupidity of your own statement. If you live in a condo, there's a maintenance fee and rules of governance, etc... Apartments have similar restrictions, a house in a named subdivision - at least in my county, can't exist without an HOA, and if we don't have one, we're forced by municipal governments to get together as neighbors and appoint one or get tickets, which will lead to fines and ultimately forclosure by the county, and the same results as if we had HOA's in the first place.

But you wouldn't know anything about that crap would you. After all, I'm sure you live in co-op with some smelly hippies and underfed "vegetarian" chickens, where you bathe once a week and keep chickens for pets.

Retard. I'm no defender of HOA's believe me - I hate mine as much as the next guy, but like car insurance, income taxes, property taxes, vehicle registration and title surcharges, jury summonses, and soon health insurance, HOA dues are just part of living in the "Land of the Free".

Boogity, Boogity, Boogity, Amen...
 
2012-04-30 12:11:58 AM
This HOA appears to be a criminal enterprise.

RICO!
 
2012-04-30 12:12:49 AM

ShabazKilla: For all the Florida bashers - I would refer you to a previous article about this development and HOA douchebag:
Link

"We were expecting a real nice, clean community," Spector said. "We'd moved from California, and we were expecting the planned communities to be similar to the planned communities we'd lived in in California."

California Nazi...figures.

And then this gem...
"These are the people who are going to move in and actually live in the community," Spector said.
"These are the people who are going to take care of the community. It doesn't matter if they had a $200,000 discount from what I paid."

What a difference four years makes huh


Isn't Florida just full of all the people the other states (and Canada) don't want anyways?
 
2012-04-30 12:13:56 AM

RobertBruce: Was such a possibility in the contract? Then they should be upheld in court.
/same with mortgages


Yeah, I didn't RTFA long enough but if the buyers didn't read the contract and it's in there then fark 'em. I live in an "HOA" community, but our HOA membership fee is optional, cannot place a lein on my property, and hasn't done anything worse than telling people to mow their freakin yard every now and then, nothing like these ones you read about on FARK. Still, before I bought the place, I read the contract myself then paid an attorney to look it over and make sure there wasn't anything silly in there to surprise me later. If you plan on living there, you need to do your homework. No pity for those who don't.
 
2012-04-30 12:14:45 AM
I'm in a POA (Hoa) that was established by Austin hippies in the 60s. There are just a few requirements (one shed, no oil drilling, no garbage dump, one boat visible) but they don't even really enforce it. The bylaws say that the fee is $35 a year so that is all they get aside from building permit fees and boat launch fees. We have a few parks and trails. One park is on waterfront land worth well over a million dollars. It is a steal compared to paying city taxes.

The alternative is summed up by a house not in the HOA where construction stopped after the housing crash. Someone bought it on auction and for the last 4 years it has been a junk yard. It is nothing but dried out weathered studs and RVs in the back. The county can't do anything because this crazy guy adds a new window or door every 6 months. The neighbors have no recourse because we believe in and have property rights. An HOA could have more flexibility in that situation and the guy camping in the RV wouldn't be allowed unlike with the county.

I hear a lot of you trashing HOAs and that is fine because some of them are horrible, but so are a lot of the cities I have dealt with. Cities can and do put liens on houses. They charge you for sidewalk clearing, special assessments, ordinance violations, zoning violations, parking regulations, snow removal, water, sewer, garbage, they write you a ticket if your lawn isn't mowed. Then they jack up your taxes and utilities every year... Most all of them waste millions on pet projects and silly half baked transportation ideas or corporate welfare. They have a system of zoning and permits with ample red tape and corruption. Frankly what is the difference between a city and a bad HOA?

I've lived in 4 cities and 1 HOA... I will take the HOA I picked any day.
 
2012-04-30 12:16:13 AM

namegoeshere: In 2010, Spector was unapologetic about how the association is dealing with the challenge.

"I'm paying on a $400,000 mortgage when someone else walks in and pays $140,000 for the same house," Spector told the Tribune.
Translation: I bought the "houses never decrease in value" schtick hook, line, and sinker, and am now butthurt that I overpaid by such a large amount for my house which is now completely under water, and I am going to take my anger out on those who didn't fall for this trap and are therefore paying much less.


Sounds like he should buy one of his neighbor's foreclosed houses for 140K and mail the keys of his current house to his mortgage company. If he lives in the new place long enough, his credit will recover.
 
2012-04-30 12:19:32 AM
Well, I read every single comment in this thread and I'm surprised that nobody mentioned this gem: "There is no legal requirement to notify a property owner when a lien has been imposed." The lien was placed, near as I can determine from the article, after the homeowner failed to pay her dues once shortly after her mother died. But rather than attempt to collect the missed payment directly and accept the fact that mistakes sometimes happen, the HOA decided to be passive-aggressive jerks about it and place a lien on her property and not bother to mention it to her since they didn't legally have to (which is BS in and of itself). She (the homeowner) even acknowledges that she owes them that money, but isn't willing to pay up as long as there are exorbitant extra penalties attached to it.
 
2012-04-30 12:26:01 AM

MayContainHorseGluten: Isn't Florida just full of all the people the other states (and Canada) don't want anyways?


Yes.
 
2012-04-30 12:30:41 AM
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2012-04-30 12:38:47 AM

MayContainHorseGluten: ShabazKilla: For all the Florida bashers - I would refer you to a previous article about this development and HOA douchebag:
Link

"We were expecting a real nice, clean community," Spector said. "We'd moved from California, and we were expecting the planned communities to be similar to the planned communities we'd lived in in California."

California Nazi...figures.

And then this gem...
"These are the people who are going to move in and actually live in the community," Spector said.
"These are the people who are going to take care of the community. It doesn't matter if they had a $200,000 discount from what I paid."

What a difference four years makes huh

Isn't Florida just full of all the people the other states (and Canada) don't want anyways?


It's called the land of the newlyweds and nearly deads for a reason. Plenty of military newlyweds wind up stationed there and the nearly deads keep showing up.

/born there to the military newlyweds
 
2012-04-30 12:47:31 AM

jaytkay: Kazan: actually a number of my coworkers like those places around here.. "because there are things to do!!!"

Ewww, you mean socialize and talk to people?

Why do that when you have an HOA-protected enclave with cable TV and an Xbox.


Judging by the snout house in the article, you're probably right. This is an architectural style invented for people who fear or hate any human contact. Notice how the garage is the most prominent feature of the house: no front porch, you don't even see the front door from the street. This is the house for people who want to drive between home and work and interface with an airlock at each end so that they don't die from exposure to society.
 
2012-04-30 01:07:03 AM

Xcott: jaytkay: Kazan: actually a number of my coworkers like those places around here.. "because there are things to do!!!"

Ewww, you mean socialize and talk to people?

Why do that when you have an HOA-protected enclave with cable TV and an Xbox.

Judging by the snout house in the article, you're probably right. This is an architectural style invented for people who fear or hate any human contact. Notice how the garage is the most prominent feature of the house: no front porch, you don't even see the front door from the street. This is the house for people who want to drive between home and work and interface with an airlock at each end so that they don't die from exposure to society.


It's a very condo-looking house as well. The garage is there, but there's absolutely no character to the house or the yard. No hedges, no trees, et cetera. Most of the people defending HOAs go on and on about hoarder types who turn their yards into garbage dumps. While this is a problem, it's not a problem that deserves giving all sorts of power over your property. Why anti-governmental types support this is especially baffling since it's just a government-by-proxy.

But this whole thing seems to be a fear of other people, which you describe brilliantly: all of these rules and regulations are couched in bullshiat hypotheticals. Yeah, you could get a crazy who packs their yard with old cars. But how often does that happen? Not enough to create a body that can ripoff your house. It's this kind of fear that has gotten America into plenty of shiat in the past forty years if not longer. Just because someone can happen doesn't mean we should start bolting everybody down. It's a sad, pathetic way to view the world. Not to mention it undercuts the same property rights that people claim they want to save.

What these HOAs seem to want is very uniform and sterile living environments. They want to push the suburban experience with a minimal effort at talking to people and actually dealing with anybody outside of a screen or a door.
 
2012-04-30 01:10:31 AM
What this thread boils down to is this. . . . Some people are willing to sacrifice personal freedom to live in a newer home that doesn't have lead paint in it. Some people would rather drink the lead paint straight from the bucket than give up any personal freedom whatsoever. Does that about cover it?
 
2012-04-30 01:17:21 AM

StormChaser: What this thread boils down to is this. . . . Some people are willing to sacrifice personal freedom to live in a newer home that doesn't have lead paint in it. Some people would rather drink the lead paint straight from the bucket than give up any personal freedom whatsoever. Does that about cover it?


There's a third group that will do either, provided they don't have to buy the paint. These are the ones who generally do what the HOA wants but then biatch about it on Facebook.
 
2012-04-30 01:26:19 AM
I admit that the it's a poorly written article, but the anti-HOA derp and ignorance in this thread is astounding. I don't even know where to begin.

Nutshell: If you don't pay your HOA fees on time the HOA can place a lien on your home, and subsequently foreclose on your property. Doesn't mean they own the property outright, the bank is still the primary lien holder. But the HOA can now kick you out, hopefully before you strip the property, and then rent the house out to cover delinquent HOA fees. Happened to my next door neighbor last year. They stopped paying their mortgage AND their HOA fees, essentially leaving everyone else who was paying on time to pick up their slack. So they got the boot, like others in the neighborhood, and rightly so.

Yes, there are HOA horror stories, but for the most part, living in an HOA is not the bad deal Fark know-it-alls make it out to be. HOA fees combined cover landscaping, maintenance of the common grounds, basic cable, security, clubhouse and rec areas, water sprinkler systems, etc. Stuff that would cost the homeowner more if they had to pay individually.
 
2012-04-30 01:37:04 AM
As an architect there is no way in hell that I would build a house in an HOA that did anything more than provide for assistance in mowing lawns in case of injury and holding an annual Christmas lights celebration. More than likely I'll wind up with a ranch anyway so fark your tinpot dictator HOA bullshiat. I won't even design the houses knowing there will be a naziesque HOA involved. I flat out refuse to have my name associated with fascism.
 
2012-04-30 01:44:04 AM
There are plenty of nice neighborhoods from the 1900-2000s that don't have HOA.

You are better off buying an old house and ripping it down and putting up a new one instead of moving into a HOA development.

I hear nothing but bad things from my friends who live in them. One got a call about being in violation because they had mud on the side of their home from a storm and were out of town and were told they had a few days to get it off or face a fine. Others get fines over fences not being painted every X amount of years, things in their yards that are not unsightly but because some HOA power hungry HOA president doesn't like it, they fine them, etc.

America wasn't founded on this shiat...HOA are evil (and to the person that says it's the ideal tea-party place, you're a ass clown..this would go completely against what the republican tea party stands for..which is government like control over a part of your life).
 
2012-04-30 01:49:08 AM
Oh, in VA, at least in the condo I lived in an rented from an owner, you cannot evict nor sieze the property due to unpaid condo fees/HOA fees. The only thing they can do is stop you from using communal property like the common room, swimming pool, etc.

My owner was some guy from China and his son ran the property but was pocketing the rent checks. I got a call one day about something like $3k in condo fees being late and I basically told them don't look at me. They were cool about it and said they just had to cut off the pool use and fitness room and TV/Business room. I asked them about other things and they said they had no power to do anything in the unit nor to the renter due to VA laws. In fact, due to the housing crash, most states now have laws that require even foreclosed units to finish out their leases so the renter has some control/safety.
 
2012-04-30 01:55:44 AM
I bought my home, cash, for $37k. Hour commute to downtown, and it was built in 1988 with 2 bed/2bath with a basement on an acre of land. People who bought theirs for 400k and spend 30 years paying it off.....lol
 
2012-04-30 01:57:10 AM
The State of Florida needs to step in and assert itself.

HOAs that go insane with backing from local politicians and law enforcement are digging a deeper hole for tbe real estate market there.

I sure wouldnt buy in a development that took possession of houses illegally. In fact, without legal protection, I might not buy in that state.
 
2012-04-30 01:57:21 AM
Oh yeah I forgot to mention, no HOA but the neighborhood is clean enough that you'd think there was one. And the house is nice, solid, cedar siding with a 2-car garage and other shiat. Its not a pos, it sold for $150k in 2006.
 
2012-04-30 02:03:15 AM

JC22: America wasn't founded on this shiat...HOA are evil (and to the person that says it's the ideal tea-party place, you're a ass clown..this would go completely against what the republican tea party stands for..which is government like control over a part of your life).


i'm not that guy, but I think you are an 'ass-clown', as you so elegantly put it, if that is your understanding of the tea party.

'government like control over a part of your life' is exactly what they espouse. just not from a federal government. make no mistake, those people are authoritarians to an extreme - they just don't want it coming from a centralized power. they want their brand of fascism, which is far more regional and local in nature. as it is now, things like jim crow laws, womens rights, abortion access, criminalization of gays, criminalization of athieism and non-christains faiths, religious law, etc. (all things official tea party leaders and/or candidates have lobbied for recently, btw) are kept from happening by a 'meddling' federal government. thats what they want gone, so they can go back to the middle ages wherever they hold sway.

make no mistake, they are fascists, just grassroots fascists. hoa's are their utopian dream.
 
2012-04-30 02:03:47 AM

Chinchillazilla: I never really understood the existence of these crazy HOA's. My house is technically in an HOA, but I don't think they ever do anything except make sure common areas get mowed, replace dead trees at the front of the neighborhood with saplings, and stuff like that. There are dues but I don't think there are penalties if you don't pay them. There are also rules about what you can and can't build, but no one follows them and no one cares. You can't have a shed that isn't attached to your house, but almost everyone has one.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. Thank god. I can't imagine living somewhere like the hellhole in the article.


You go 50 feet down the road into non-HOA area and guarandamtee there is a goddamn car on blocks within 10 houses. Then another. Then a bunch off shiat.

Weird!
 
2012-04-30 02:03:47 AM
I may have old plumbing and a foundation built sometime before 1900, but damn if it doesn't feel good not to have anyone but the village board making rules. The only one they've made that I object to is the 'no livestock' rule, BUT, considering many people have yards as tiny as mine, it does make sense. I just want 1-2 chickens so I wouldn't have to buy eggs, but I can live without as long as no ego maniac tries to tell me I have to treat my lawn or something...
 
2012-04-30 02:05:32 AM

MayContainHorseGluten: Isn't Florida just full of all the people the other states (and Canada) don't want anyways?


That had enough of a nut to get an apartment or a house. Then there is rich and trash.
 
2012-04-30 02:23:09 AM

namatad: The down side of NOT having a HOA is jerk moves, turns house into a crack den, lowers property values, everyone moves away, jerk buys property cheap, fixes everything up, makes a killing.


Exactly how does a HOA prevent that scenario?
 
2012-04-30 02:27:13 AM

remotecody: I'm in a POA (Hoa) that was established by Austin hippies in the 60s. There are just a few requirements (one shed, no oil drilling, no garbage dump, one boat visible) but they don't even really enforce it. The bylaws say that the fee is $35 a year so that is all they get aside from building permit fees and boat launch fees. We have a few parks and trails. One park is on waterfront land worth well over a million dollars. It is a steal compared to paying city taxes.

The alternative is summed up by a house not in the HOA where construction stopped after the housing crash. Someone bought it on auction and for the last 4 years it has been a junk yard. It is nothing but dried out weathered studs and RVs in the back. The county can't do anything because this crazy guy adds a new window or door every 6 months. The neighbors have no recourse because we believe in and have property rights. An HOA could have more flexibility in that situation and the guy camping in the RV wouldn't be allowed unlike with the county.

I hear a lot of you trashing HOAs and that is fine because some of them are horrible, but so are a lot of the cities I have dealt with. Cities can and do put liens on houses. They charge you for sidewalk clearing, special assessments, ordinance violations, zoning violations, parking regulations, snow removal, water, sewer, garbage, they write you a ticket if your lawn isn't mowed. Then they jack up your taxes and utilities every year... Most all of them waste millions on pet projects and silly half baked transportation ideas or corporate welfare. They have a system of zoning and permits with ample red tape and corruption. Frankly what is the difference between a city and a bad HOA?

I've lived in 4 cities and 1 HOA... I will take the HOA I picked any day.


It was hard, but I found a huge ass house made after 2000, in a nice development, 5 blocks, one entrance, each block is a cul de sac . I've had no problems. The neighbors seem like they try to outdo each other on plantings, everything is neat. If a garbage truck spills garbage accidentally (one of those automatic ones), the neighbors clean it up. No HOA.

Sure, the town will come down for not mowing your grass, but only after it passes 14 inches (most in my neighborhood mow at least twice a week). In my sisters in-laws house less than a mile away, it's something like 5 inches, plus you can't have a certain amount of weeds per area. I've got a ton of clover in my lawn, it's a biatch to get rid of, but I don't have to worry about being fined for it.

I put up a fence, no permit needed, they needed to get approval on style, height, color etc. They bought a wood shed, they had to sell it without opening the box because the HOA only wants steel or composite.We can put up a shed with a $50 permit and it just has to be 5 feet from the fence. Even then, most of the neighbors don't bother getting the permit, and the town doesn't bother them (and yes, they do come around to check, they just re-evaluated everyone's house for tax purposes, but they don't bother you)

My house can be any color I want, same with the neighbors. Guess what, there are no pink or purple houses anywhere. And worrying about abandoned house. The house I bought was empty for 2 years, the neighbors took turns mowing it and keeping it neat.

Get this, most people are not savages. There is no need for an HOA,

chewielouie: I admit that the it's a poorly written article, but the anti-HOA derp and ignorance in this thread is astounding. I don't even know where to begin.

Nutshell: If you don't pay your HOA fees on time the HOA can place a lien on your home, and subsequently foreclose on your property. Doesn't mean they own the property outright, the bank is still the primary lien holder. But the HOA can now kick you out, hopefully before you strip the property, and then rent the house out to cover delinquent HOA fees. Happened to my next door neighbor last year. They stopped paying their mortgage AND their HOA fees, essentially leaving everyone else who was paying on time to pick up their slack. So they got the boot, like others in the neighborhood, and rightly so.

Yes, there are HOA horror stories, but for the most part, living in an HOA is not the bad deal Fark know-it-alls make it out to be. HOA fees combined cover landscaping, maintenance of the common grounds, basic cable, security, clubhouse and rec areas, water sprinkler systems, etc. Stuff that would cost the homeowner more if they had to pay individually.


Guess what? If my neighbor stops paying their mortgage (and we don't have fees), it doesn't affect me one bit. And why should it.

What you live in is called a commune. I don't want to share a clubhouse or a pool, if I want one, I'll put it in my yard. Security?, you pay a schmuck to patrol around the neighborhood? Are you that afraid of life. If someone wants to get you or break into your house, they'll find a way. Probably while your schmuck patrolman is writing a ticket to your neighbor for having his grass too high.
 
2012-04-30 02:29:46 AM

cman: Wow, thats insane.

Why are HOA still allow to operate with such extreme powers? This is something you would see in a communist system with common ownership, not a country that prides itself upon private ownership and due process of law


At least here in Indiana, HOAs were set up to keep out Blacks. They had to strike that from the covenants back in the day, but it is EXACTLY the type of mentality that continues in HOAs. It's all about keeping out "undesirables" who lower property values. That "undesirables" has been redefined really makes no difference to me. It's the same fascist thinking, that private profits and property of the powerful legally override the rights of those with less power. Because our Constitution doesn't permit local governments to operate that way, HOAs assume this role with the blessing of local government.

The very concept of the HOA demonstrates that the extreme right and the extreme left, when left to their own devices, are pretty much the same to the man on the street. Because HOAs are not officially government entities, "due process" with them is far different than "due process" as afforded by the Constitution.

It's one of those things that I thought we'd addressed decades ago when the US Supreme Court ruled that someone cannot sign away their Constitutional rights through a contract, but I've learned as an adult that "private organizations" can literally demand anything in their contracts and have it upheld regardless of what limitations have been placed on contract law in the past. Why they even bother teaching Civics in high school is beyond me, nothing taught there actually matches reality. If elected government can't do something, an unelected, unofficial government is appointed to get around the restriction.
 
2012-04-30 02:31:41 AM
I've been listening to the "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T LIVE THERE!!!" excuses for HOA for years as they get ever increasingly more abusive. HOAs should be illegal, period, end of freaking story. It's your property, not theirs.
 
2012-04-30 02:36:14 AM

Smeggy Smurf: As an architect there is no way in hell that I would build a house in an HOA that did anything more than provide for assistance in mowing lawns in case of injury and holding an annual Christmas lights celebration. More than likely I'll wind up with a ranch anyway so fark your tinpot dictator HOA bullshiat. I won't even design the houses knowing there will be a naziesque HOA involved. I flat out refuse to have my name associated with fascism.


Hey how are you about designing non-primary homes with geothermal heating? No really. Found non HOA land (but with winter road maintenance association fee of $18 in Oregon I've been talking to a couple realtors about. This would be a while, like 7-8 years so I have time to build. Some already do it but the heat next to natural springs I'm looking at is 300 feet down, and I hope I'm not beaten to the punch But can you design natural springs into that for heat and water?
 
2012-04-30 02:37:24 AM

StoPPeRmobile: MayContainHorseGluten: Isn't Florida just full of all the people the other states (and Canada) don't want anyways?

That had enough of a nut to get an apartment or a house. Then there is rich and trash.


I'm not following. Please explain further.
 
2012-04-30 02:43:46 AM

Chinchillazilla: I never really understood the existence of these crazy HOA's. My house is technically in an HOA, but I don't think they ever do anything except make sure common areas get mowed, replace dead trees at the front of the neighborhood with saplings, and stuff like that. There are dues but I don't think there are penalties if you don't pay them. There are also rules about what you can and can't build, but no one follows them and no one cares. You can't have a shed that isn't attached to your house, but almost everyone has one.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. Thank god. I can't imagine living somewhere like the hellhole in the article.


Wait till this jackwad's little kingdom ends up becoming a neighborhood mostly full of empty houses. He's just gonna have a ball when all the copper thieves and meth labbers start showing up.
 
2012-04-30 02:47:17 AM
I predict that soon, we're going to start reading reports of HOA members being shot and killed. Possibly of their own homes being burned down by arsonists.

You muck with a person's home and push them into a corner with a complicated legal maze, they're going to go ballistic, especially if they're under stress already. They're not going to bother with lawyers. You can have security cameras all over your home and they can be taken out easily. Pi$$ off a person enough and they just won't care.

I can tell you that there are times when revenge is so, so SWEET! I've known quiet, nice folks who, when their back was pushed against the wall, came out like Tigers. They often didn't care if their actions took them down as well.

This guy is making himself a target and someone is going to aim for the bull's-eye.
 
2012-04-30 02:50:08 AM

jmr61: I've never seen a gun at a closing.


Because violence is the only form of coercion.

Seriously, what a moronic argument.
 
2012-04-30 02:54:18 AM
photo.goodreads.com

That's right, a horror novel about an HOA.

/Great book
 
2012-04-30 02:56:38 AM

pedobearapproved: grimlock1972: Even more evidence why HOAs need to either be severely reigned in or preferably be banned.

They have a reason for existing. Usually it's so you can't park your meth trailer in the back of the house, hoist up a nazi flag, or something more realistic like you have a lake that needs yearly maintenance because you don't want it flooding the neighborhood right next door if the dam fails. The idea that they can EVER kick you out of your own house is what needs to be banned. Don't pay the fees get ding on your credit and get taken to court, not get kicked out of your place.

HOAs aren't all evil


And why can't those things be taken care of with zoning laws?

Oh yeah, gubmint be ebil. Forgot.
 
2012-04-30 02:57:43 AM

ChaffedTitty: All things considered, maybe this was the intent of Florida's "stand your ground law".



You want my house? Come get it motherfarker.

[www.tactical-life.com image 425x283]


I agree, I think this is what that law was intended for.
 
2012-04-30 03:02:37 AM

remotecody: Frankly what is the difference between a city and a bad HOA?


The city is accountable. HOAs, especially the ones owned by the builder or bank with the goal of keeping values high, are not. A city is subject to a whole lot more restriction on what they do than a private corporation is- you can sue them under clauses in the federal or state constitution. The city is also run by professionals with expertise in the area who know how to develop rules and regulations that take into account your rights, things going wrong (ya know, the rule that says lawns have to be watered being applied in a drought), so on and so forth. They're working in the public interest, not in the interest of dicking people over who don't conform to their ideals. HOAs are often run by busybodies with no training whatsoever and a dictatorial fantasy.

It's a vast difference.
 
2012-04-30 03:05:26 AM

Rik01: I predict that soon, we're going to start reading reports of HOA members being shot and killed. Possibly of their own homes being burned down by arsonists.


I bet the Pinkertons, sorry, the HOA's, will be having people who fight them burned out of their homes first.

I actually seem to recall reading it had already happened a couple times. pretty easy to understand actually; HOA gets sued, it costs the HOA, to which the cost is distributed between all the rest of the neighbors. How far does it have to go? Each neighbor gets 2000, 4000, 6000 in charges to pay off an extended legal fight. How much does it take before they can't take anymore? They start seeing the person doing the suing as the enemy, costing them their savings and being an open-ended liability on the HOA, which will often prevent their houses from selling.
Doesn't take an HOA telling people to go try to run the victims out of the area, as they let the legal costs run up the neighbors will just do it for them.
 
2012-04-30 03:15:39 AM
remember the HOA a couple years back that told the guy looking at buying a house that he could park his pickup truck in his driveway? he did, and then one moron came back some time afterward and said he couldn't do it. they kept taking him to court, and he kept winning. they spent OVER $300,000 in HOA money fighting it over two years, then lost $187,000 on top of it to reimburse him for his legal costs.

his neighbors, and iirc there weren't more than a few dozen, have to pick up the cost. thats well into five figures per household. no one burned that guy out, but i am really surprised. his suit may well have cost others in the area their homes, and while it wasn't his fault, guess who was getting the blame from them the whole time. i can easily see stuff like that getting out of control.
 
2012-04-30 03:42:55 AM
"Mark Spector"

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2012-04-30 03:48:03 AM
As a rural type, reading shiat like this is downright bizarre. Out here something like that may well end guns blazing.

Had a mortgage once, ended in jungle mail. We bought our current lot, paid cash. We built our house ourselves, paid for building materials out of pocket. We pay our property tax, but that's all we're paying outside of utilities. Try to move us out and you'll be seeing the business end of a boomstick. No covenants on our lot, no zoning restrictions, no one to tell us what we can and can't do. I don't mean to get on a soapbox (like I just did), but I can't see how people voluntarily enter contracts with an HOA and risk putting up with shiat like TFA.

\from my cold dead hands
\\blah blah blah
 
2012-04-30 03:56:07 AM
I recall the incident about 10 years ago where a guy set his own house on fire and killed himself after an armed standoff with police after an eviction attempt gone awry.

It seems that the HMO goons branded him a child molester, based on the "evidence" that in his house he collected Disney videos and had a Disney toy collection. To them, that was proof enough that he was a pedofork and he had to go. From that point on, they tormented the poor man mercilessly for months and then made a move to take possession of his house.

Yep, because of some batsh*t insane HMO tryant, a man's life was ruined and now he's dead.

No mention on whether the HMO ever was held responsible for this atrocity. Chances are they got away with it. HMOs always get away with it.
 
2012-04-30 03:58:54 AM
Home owners associations are made up of dump-gutted, barrel shaped, menopausal bitterness farmers who are peeping out the window every day to see if your lawn is too overgrown. They are Hitlers and pissbags and disgruntled, skeevy little pricks ad that's why they wanted to be on the HOA board to begin with. If you actually think you'll "live better" or that they're keeping people from putting cars up on blocks in the cul de sacs or stopping people in lowriders from throwing drunken, 109 dBA barbecues on the median, you're stupid and gullible and a pansy and you should have known better than to sell your property control to a bunch of bed wetting ninnies, and Napoleon complex nincompoops.
 
2012-04-30 04:41:01 AM

Bunnyhat: They know what they're getting into.


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2012-04-30 04:55:05 AM

jaytkay: archichris: HOA's are in no way a conservative dream.

The last thing a conservative wants is MORE GOVERNMENT.

HOAs are private entities. Also known as not-government entities.

/ Conservatives don't understand fundamental concepts of government and the economy.
// I am shocked, shocked


Government is other people who have authority over your life and property.

An HOA has authority over your property. How is that not government? Because you apply a label to it to call it something else so you can make it not the thing you love and adore so you can attach it to your enemies and make it hateful?

Gosh I am SO surprised that a liberal is using deceit and labels to obfuscate an issue.

Just remember kiddies, it aint terrorism caused by religious extremists who hate us because we work hard, noooooo, its a man caused disaster, which is a label we also apply to global warming, so see, we are causing global warming and that makes us just as bad as the terrorists.
 
2012-04-30 05:03:19 AM

TV's Vinnie: Chinchillazilla: I never really understood the existence of these crazy HOA's. My house is technically in an HOA, but I don't think they ever do anything except make sure common areas get mowed, replace dead trees at the front of the neighborhood with saplings, and stuff like that. There are dues but I don't think there are penalties if you don't pay them. There are also rules about what you can and can't build, but no one follows them and no one cares. You can't have a shed that isn't attached to your house, but almost everyone has one.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. Thank god. I can't imagine living somewhere like the hellhole in the article.

Wait till this jackwad's little kingdom ends up becoming a neighborhood mostly full of empty houses. He's just gonna have a ball when all the copper thieves and meth labbers start showing up.


It all changes when some smarmy little asshole convinces some friends to vote them into control of the HOA. Then they have the authority to do all the things the current HOA doesnt bother doing, like putting liens on your property. I've even seen a neighborhood association go bad like that. We are talking about a group with no legal authority to do anything, just neighbors who agreed 40 years ago to work together making the neighborhood better. And all it took was one person obsessed with controlling their neighbors and poof, three years of anger and bitterness that nearly ruined the organization. And not that it matters but yes the person was a rabid democrat, a licensed social worker, union member, etc......in the last year of her 'reign' she was walking the neighborhood with a clip board and camera writing down code violations on our homes. She would send you a copy of the letter she was sending to the city with photos of your peeling paint and leaky gutters. Absolutely went insane on the small amount of power she had. Spend the budget on traffic studies and parking studies and then tried to use the results as evidence that the city needed to remove all on street parking in our neighborhood for safety reasons. No, she did not own a car, she believed in buses.

Just farking crazy.
 
2012-04-30 05:08:03 AM

archichris: Government is other people who have authority over your life and property.

An HOA has authority over your property. How is that not government?


lol funny.

Nice touch veering off on a rant about Muslims and climate change, too. Amazing.
 
2012-04-30 06:20:14 AM

CliChe Guevara: Honest Bender: CliChe Guevara: rNightOwl2255: Everyone that purchased a home covered by an HOA did so willingly.

Not always.

Nowhere in your tl;dr rant did you explain how your folks were forced into the HOA.

Then you didn't read it.

It is treu they were in a different HOA, one that they didn't just join it, they helped found it.


Ok, so I did read your post, they weren't forced into an HOA, they helped found one. Got it. So... explain again how they were forced into an HOA?
 
2012-04-30 06:28:31 AM

Kazan: Nuclear Monk: I feel bad for anyone who wants to buy a brand new home though...unless you are building a custom home out in the woods, most new homes are part of this breed of overpowered HOAs. You really don't get a choice for new homes.

I think when we were buying this last round, only one new home wasn't part of an HOA. And it was way out in the sticks. I ended up getting an older one in probably the last neighborhood built before HOAs took over.

i close on a house in 2 days.. the HoA rules are nearly non-existent. and i'll make sure to get on the board when we gain control.

unless you have cash-on-hand it is impossible to get a new home without an HoA. and for electrical, structural and chemical reasons i don't trust anything older than 2004. (and i don't trust anything 2006 till the crash)


I'm in the process of purchasing a townhouse with an HOA with 5% down, so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
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