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2012-04-29 09:55:05 PM  

IlGreven: Hell, arresting lawful residents to protect their friends on HOA boards is probably small potatoes to Florida cops...


Are you saying that Florida cops don't have the moral compass of Sgt. Joe Friday? I'm shocked.
 
2012-04-29 09:57:32 PM  

Cuchulane: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:
/I know, I know Fark Independents, more government is never the answer

I think it is interesting that the more conservative states have more HOA's. It makes me think conservative angst is a lot less about "freedom" and a lot more about class segregation. Here in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts (as red states would have you believe), I could paint my house neon green and cover my yard with all of the banners, signs, and decorations I want. Bathtub Mary anyone?


I have never actually seen an HOA first-hand, I left the suburbs for Bumfarkistan when I was 8 and have lived in out in the country or in an apartment ever since. But my off-the-cuff hypothesis is that HOAs form and sell themselves as "community" in the same false-nostalgia memetic trough as the 1950s "Leave it to Beaver" neighborhood where everybody knows each other and is friendly and watches out for one another. They follow it up with stories about the ghettos and barrios a few blocks away (where the help lives) and vague comments about crime and neighborhood watches and how city-folk don't talk to their neighbors ever.

Basically, it's an attempt to manufacture the mythical "small town cohesiveness" that is so fetishized by common culture (especially in red states).
 
2012-04-29 09:57:52 PM  

cptjeff: jaytkay: 1) Choose lame-ass suburban home in a lame-ass subdivision with an HOA
2) Willingly sign the HOA's contract
3) Break the contract cuz you're a rebel! not a lame-ass suburban dork! by golly!
4) Complain when they remind you of the contract you signed

You don't sign the HOA's contract willingly. It's included when you buy, and it's virtually impossible to buy a house without one attached in some parts of the country.

Stop being an idiot and try again.



You're completely clueless. I've been making mortgages for 26 years all over the country and your statement is completely incorrect. Please gain some facts and try again.

I've never seen a gun at a closing.
 
2012-04-29 09:57:57 PM  
regarding the "you should just rent" derping - there are lots of areas of the country where rent/mortgage is backwards. The house I live in - $1600 a month goes to the bank. Same place would rent for nearly $3k. In exchange for saving $1400 every month, I get to build a little equity (maybe), write off home office improvements, install solar (zero upfront, "agree to pay" less than I currently pay...), and write off interest payments. Plus, on weekends that I'm bored, I can get a bit of my DIY out of my system...just built a retaining wall and a terraced garden, pretty cheaply. Even if house prices go down, the place should stay the same - all because of the weekend entertainment it gave me.

You think instead I should rent, just because I only plan to be here 5-7 years? Really? Sure, there's no HOA. Sure, I waited until really recently to get back in - sold, waited, rebought elsewhere. But to blindly say people should just rent...silliness. Even with HOAs it makes more sense to "own" in a lot of areas.

//all that, despite being in San Diego...
 
2012-04-29 09:58:37 PM  

archichris: He filled gallon jugs with urine and stores them in the house. Somehow there are HUNDREDS of jugs in the house.


content8.flixster.com
Yeeeeees?
 
2012-04-29 10:02:39 PM  

jmr61: cptjeff: jaytkay: 1) Choose lame-ass suburban home in a lame-ass subdivision with an HOA
2) Willingly sign the HOA's contract
3) Break the contract cuz you're a rebel! not a lame-ass suburban dork! by golly!
4) Complain when they remind you of the contract you signed

You don't sign the HOA's contract willingly. It's included when you buy, and it's virtually impossible to buy a house without one attached in some parts of the country.

Stop being an idiot and try again.


You're completely clueless. I've been making mortgages for 26 years all over the country and your statement is completely incorrect. Please gain some facts and try again.

I've never seen a gun at a closing.


and you're in west virignia.. there aren't exactly housing developments in west virginia. how about you go look in a market where people actually live

(caveat: my wife is from west virignia)
 
2012-04-29 10:07:38 PM  

vudukungfu: I printed out this entire thread just to burn in effigy in my trash barrel out back.


HEY!!! You can't do that!!! Didn't you read the HOA rules?! What is wrong with you?
 
2012-04-29 10:09:02 PM  

namegoeshere: In 2010, Spector was unapologetic about how the association is dealing with the challenge.

"I'm paying on a $400,000 mortgage when someone else walks in and pays $140,000 for the same house," Spector told the Tribune.


Translation: I bought the "houses never decrease in value" schtick hook, line, and sinker, and am now butthurt that I overpaid by such a large amount for my house which is now completely under water, and I am going to take my anger out on those who didn't fall for this trap and are therefore paying much less.


That's almost exactly what I was going to say. In Fark parlance, THIS ^^^^^.
 
2012-04-29 10:10:34 PM  

namatad: The down side of NOT having a HOA is jerk moves, turns house into a crack den, lowers property values, everyone moves away, jerk buys property cheap, fixes everything up, makes a killing.


That's the downside: the very unlikely chance that a worst-case neighbor moves in and tanks your property values. . .and assuming you give a fark about property values (i.e. intend to sell your home, instead of intending to live there for the rest of your life and see a plummeting property value as just cheaper property taxes to pay).

Weighed against the very likely chance of a crypto-fascist HOA. . .I'll go with the odds and trust random neighbors than quasi-governmental HOAs that can steal my property and tax and fine me for not making my house look like something out of Pleasantville.
 
2012-04-29 10:14:33 PM  

IamAwake: You think instead I should rent, just because I only plan to be here 5-7 years? Really?


If you don't have a big downpayment, you'll be farked if the market tanks again. Better make sure you're saving that difference between the mortgage and rent in that area. 5-7 is a borderline area in buy vs. rent timeline and of course there's lots of other factors, one of which the rent/mortgage difference seems to go for you in that area, it doesn't everywhere.

Some of the just rent can get a little derpy but the real herp derp is on the buying side. "now has never been a better time to buy. talk to a RealtorTM today"
 
2012-04-29 10:16:35 PM  

Silverstaff: Weighed against the very likely chance of a crypto-fascist HOA


actually i thinnk the HOAs that act like asses are overexposed compared to the (almost certainly) million+ HoAs that do next to nothing.
 
2012-04-29 10:17:30 PM  

Cuchulane: Bathtub Mary anyone?


Full of grace!

/obscure?
 
2012-04-29 10:18:10 PM  
There's only one way to bring an insane HOA back into line...

a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

Pimp slap biaaaaatch!
 
2012-04-29 10:27:46 PM  
I was visiting my friend's parents in their neighborhood. As we pulled off the main road a crazy guy from the HOA was putting out cones next to the curb in front of the pool area with "no parking" signs. They were gone the next day. The reason? Apparently someone parked there for 5 minutes earlier in the day and that guy had to make sure that no one else was going to make the same mistake. It was the middle of a Tuesday and I don't think I saw more than 2 cars on the road at any point driving through that neighborhood, not that a car there would be blocking anyone or causing a problem.

Once the mailman scraped their mailbox with his mirror and broke the door. By the time anyone living in the house came home there was already a warning notice about what would happen if it wasn't fixed. Those are just the stories that I witnessed. Some that I heard were completely unbelievable. Those people are nuts.

I wonder how many of those HOA jerks had heart attacks when their homes were worth half as much despite all of their petty acts and ridiculous behavior. The people I knew there moved away right before the housing prices took a dive and were staying in a rental before buying something new, so they lucked out.
 
2012-04-29 10:32:52 PM  

generallyso: Bunnyhat: You know, I try to feel sorry for people who buy a house in an HOA, but I can't.
They know what they're getting into. The stories have been told for over a decade now.

It's getting to the point that not living under HOAs is as practical as finding a telecom without a binding arbitration clause.


Pretty much this. And a lot of these stories on fark concern new rules that end up being passed after a person moves in, as well.
 
2012-04-29 10:34:19 PM  
Some of you have really weird ideas about older homes..Not every home older than 1990's is falling
apart and need new everything. My house is over 80. It's brick, not new house "brick" veneer on 1/3 of
the front side, ALL BRICK..The electricity works, the plumbing works, etc.. It's absurdly solid. Sure the
floors squeek..It's 80 years old..But at 160, I bet it's still here when the newer houses become unglued and
fall apart. As it was mentioned before. Most new houses in developments are thrown together and cheap.
At the height of the building boom, the new houses in my are were being thrown together so quickly
that they just seemed to appear. These are the same houses that went to pieces in 50mph wind.
Windows fell out, the ubiquitous tan siding flew, and garage doors blew in. The "Castles in a cornfield"
are just a veneer over poor construction. When all the buyers care about are granite counters, the "exclusive"
area, and a culda-sac, construction standards don't matter..

For me, I just view myself as a caretaker passing through my house..I try to improve it, keep it up and
live in it..I know it's going to be here long after I am..
 
2012-04-29 10:34:48 PM  
Was his middle initial M?

/RESMPECT
 
2012-04-29 10:34:56 PM  
For every HOA that is fairly reasonable, is only concerned with keeping the area looking decent and property values up, and making sure that everyone in the neighborhood contributes to the maintenance of common areas and that it all doesn't devolve onto one person or the city...I'm sure there's at least one where the HOA has fallen under the control of one petty asshole (or a small coalition of same) who are using their power to recreate their corner of the world in their own image.

And it rarely happens that even the most fascist HOA sits down to write completely asinine rules; it happens over time and by default. Someone suggests that, for instance, lawns need to be kept to a certain standard and maintained a certain way. Everyone agrees at first this is a good idea, (because who wants lawns to look like crap?) and it gets written into the bylaws. Over time and for a variety of reasons, lawns start to decay, and instead of rewriting the bylaws, because this would require getting together and discussing things, the HOA levies fines for the unkempt lawns. This engenders bad feelings, leading to even more uncared-for lawns, and so it goes. Maybe someone moves, and either forgets or "forgets" to tell the new tenant about the HOA regs, and the new owner tears out the lawn to put in a sustainable yard...now a new lawsuit ensued.

This all starts because HOAs are not themselves regulated by anyone--any batch of people can sit down and make an HOA; and people like to think everything will be nice and happy forever, and nobody remembers to put clauses into their regulations like "What do we do if there is a prolonged drought" or "what happens if somebody moves and the restrictive clause isn't in their deed" and there are never easy methods for altering the HOA regs like mail-in votes or phone votes. Kind of like how partnership agreements always agree to share the profits but forget that means they'll be sharing the losses.

At the end of the whole process, you've got one or two power-mad lunatics like this one who know enough about small-claims and real estate law to pull these kinds of shenanigans.
 
2012-04-29 10:35:25 PM  

Cuchulane: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:
/I know, I know Fark Independents, more government is never the answer

I think it is interesting that the more conservative states have more HOA's. It makes me think conservative angst is a lot less about "freedom" and a lot more about class segregation. Here in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts (as red states would have you believe), I could paint my house neon green and cover my yard with all of the banners, signs, and decorations I want. Bathtub Mary anyone?


You know, that diversity makes life fun; not all this cookie cutter home designs and shiat with a golf course. And the housing market going to hell didn't save home values one damn bit, especially if the homebuilders or development owners went out of business.
 
2012-04-29 10:35:54 PM  

Kazan: jmr61: cptjeff: jaytkay: 1) Choose lame-ass suburban home in a lame-ass subdivision with an HOA
2) Willingly sign the HOA's contract
3) Break the contract cuz you're a rebel! not a lame-ass suburban dork! by golly!
4) Complain when they remind you of the contract you signed

You don't sign the HOA's contract willingly. It's included when you buy, and it's virtually impossible to buy a house without one attached in some parts of the country.

Stop being an idiot and try again.


You're completely clueless. I've been making mortgages for 26 years all over the country and your statement is completely incorrect. Please gain some facts and try again.

I've never seen a gun at a closing.

and you're in west virignia.. there aren't exactly housing developments in west virginia. how about you go look in a market where people actually live

(caveat: my wife is from west virignia)


Fark Translator™: "Something is the case in the area I live in, therefore it is the case everywhere."
 
2012-04-29 10:36:28 PM  

12349876: Some of the just rent can get a little derpy but the real herp derp is on the buying side. "now has never been a better time to buy. talk to a RealtorTM today"


Not to mention a lot of people don't want to admit to being scammed or taken in, and push buying with the same thought-terminating cliches like 'you're throwing your money away.' Because the housing market is FULL of savings, even when the whole thing collapsed.

That said, with HOAs, what is the benefit of owning? You're basically renting on a 15-30 year basis without any of the benefits and subject to any asshole with a power complex coming in and telling you what to do with something you own. Why farking bother with shouldering the costs of repair and taxes when you're still a tenant?
 
2012-04-29 10:37:47 PM  
ANYone who would buy a home that has an HOA doesn't have the God given sense they were born with. HOA's suck - there are other places to live. Save yourself, time, money, hassle, and you will be a happier home owner!
 
2012-04-29 10:42:03 PM  
rNightOwl2255: Everyone that purchased a home covered by an HOA did so willingly.

We'll leave the "willingly" aside. Our HOA recently banned VEGETABLES. But ignore that moranhood: an HOA is an unlimited financial liability against your property. If your HOA decides to persecute (your favorite minority), you are financial liable. Ours went after a homeowner over their farking trees --- and lost $1.000 per home in the court case.
 
2012-04-29 10:44:21 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: That said, with HOAs, what is the benefit of owning? You're basically renting on a 15-30 year basis without any of the benefits and subject to any asshole with a power complex coming in and telling you what to do with something you own. Why farking bother with shouldering the costs of repair and taxes when you're still a tenant?


You could say the same about property taxes and government. You're still "renting" because the government can take it if you don't pay your taxes. But to answer the question, you're still building (or losing) equity in an HOA which you aren't doing in a rental.
 
2012-04-29 10:50:42 PM  
My masters thesis research this summer is in a suburban community that is trying to incorporate into a town, but is full of HOA neighborhoods. The HOAs themselves aren't that important to my work, but with stories like this one I might have to carry out a little side project.

/csb
 
2012-04-29 10:51:15 PM  
I don't care if I'm offered a mansion for $100K. HOAs are freaking evil. Never never NEVER will buy a house where an HOA gets to have a say in how I live in my own damn home.
 
TWX
2012-04-29 10:56:43 PM  

Cuchulane: When does the shooting start?


That's what I was thinking. I've never been driven to take the life of someone, but I could imagine a circumstance like this hypothetically making that a lot easier of a decision.
 
2012-04-29 10:57:12 PM  

cosmiquemuffin: I don't care if I'm offered a mansion for $100K. HOAs are freaking evil. Never never NEVER will buy a house where an HOA gets to have a say in how I live in my own damn home.


except the government.
 
2012-04-29 10:57:17 PM  

Dahnkster: No HOA for me!

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'Fort building' as a child is now a survival skill.


A lot more waterproof if you coat it with a $6 oversized tarp.
 
2012-04-29 11:00:40 PM  

Omnivorous: rNightOwl2255: Everyone that purchased a home covered by an HOA did so willingly.

We'll leave the "willingly" aside. Our HOA recently banned VEGETABLES. But ignore that moranhood: an HOA is an unlimited financial liability against your property. If your HOA decides to persecute (your favorite minority), you are financial liable. Ours went after a homeowner over their farking trees --- and lost $1.000 per home in the court case.


csb...

My parents just bought what will be their last house they ever own bein that they're in their 70s. Got out of a diving market in Seattle on a home with no mortgage (but values dropping) and traded for a home on a bank owned development and golf community. They made a straight trade dollar for dollar on a 4 year old custom home that went for less than half of the builder's price. It has an HOA, but overseen by the bank, and not the builder's anymore. I had the discussion with my pop on how does one do all this work to stay OK with all the covenants on that theory or faith that it keeps home values artificially high? You scored on a helluva deal, but the family that had it first bought the farm (and half the neighborhood) no matter what they did?

It completely discredits the idea of forcing people to take care of their homes, and not have paint flaking and keeping the grass at 2" where there isn't any naturally with an HOA. But if home values creep up again, and we have another bubble in 15 years and values crash again for no apparent reason. My sister and I will inherit it at some point, but not sure I'd keep it if there's some dicky HOA running the show and it loses value AGAIN later anyway.
 
2012-04-29 11:06:53 PM  
Winktologist: If people are so worried about a crack den in their neighborhood, shouldn't they call the farking cops?

I would never live anywhere with an HOA. Ever. And this is a prime example why.


This.

Why are you going to cough up 100K's of your hard earned money to give someone else the ultimate say in your home and your affairs? Zoning and municipal rules are one thing, as they're clear and not draconian, they're in the public interest. A HOA on the other hand is is just handing over your balls in a jar (and your wallet), with rules that can change whenever the board decides to do so.

Frak that. I'll never live in one. Even if you're in a good one, all it takes is one or two douches to move in, fell they're entitled to take it over from everyone else who has been pretty apathetic, and cause a shiatstorm of issues that are 100% legal.
 
2012-04-29 11:08:03 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: Some of you have really weird ideas about older homes..Not every home older than 1990's is falling
apart and need new everything. My house is over 80. It's brick, not new house "brick" veneer on 1/3 of
the front side, ALL BRICK..The electricity works, the plumbing works, etc.. It's absurdly solid. Sure the
floors squeek..It's 80 years old..But at 160, I bet it's still here when the newer houses become unglued and
fall apart. As it was mentioned before. Most new houses in developments are thrown together and cheap.
At the height of the building boom, the new houses in my are were being thrown together so quickly
that they just seemed to appear. These are the same houses that went to pieces in 50mph wind.
Windows fell out, the ubiquitous tan siding flew, and garage doors blew in. The "Castles in a cornfield"
are just a veneer over poor construction. When all the buyers care about are granite counters, the "exclusive"
area, and a culda-sac, construction standards don't matter..

For me, I just view myself as a caretaker passing through my house..I try to improve it, keep it up and
live in it..I know it's going to be here long after I am..


how many amps is your electrical service, how about the siesmic building code where you are at (most places don't have to worry about that) i doubt you'd pass that. how about the chemicals in your paint, what materials were used in your floors?


not every old house is crap.. out here the ones that aren't crap cost obscene amounts.
 
2012-04-29 11:09:41 PM  
HOAs: not even once.
 
2012-04-29 11:13:02 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Fark Translator™: "Something is the case in the area I live in, therefore it is the case everywhere."


actually i didn't claim that.. if you go back and read i've just been calling out the people who have been doing that.

Guntram Shatterhand: You're basically renting on a 15-30 year basis without any of the benefits and subject to any asshole with a power complex coming in and telling you what to do with something you own.


you know how i know you don't know a damn thing about HoAs besides the few news reports of ones run amok in florida or arizona you've read.

TyrantII: A HOA on the other hand is is just handing over your balls in a jar (and your wallet), with rules that can change whenever the board decides to do so.


you do realize that you have a say in your HoA right?
You do realize that the vast majority of HoAs are not dictactorial?
You do realize in some states it is easier to tell a dictatorial HoA to go pound sand, right?


Would i rather not have an HoA? absolutely
Are HoA's as evil as we get the impression of them? No


like this most things created by humans... for everthing there is a perfectly horrid example.
 
2012-04-29 11:14:13 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: Some of you have really weird ideas about older homes..Not every home older than 1990's is falling
apart and need new everything. My house is over 80. It's brick, not new house "brick" veneer on 1/3 of
the front side, ALL BRICK..The electricity works, the plumbing works, etc.. It's absurdly solid. Sure the
floors squeek..It's 80 years old..But at 160, I bet it's still here when the newer houses become unglued and
fall apart. As it was mentioned before. Most new houses in developments are thrown together and cheap.
At the height of the building boom, the new houses in my are were being thrown together so quickly
that they just seemed to appear. These are the same houses that went to pieces in 50mph wind.
Windows fell out, the ubiquitous tan siding flew, and garage doors blew in. The "Castles in a cornfield"
are just a veneer over poor construction. When all the buyers care about are granite counters, the "exclusive"
area, and a culda-sac, construction standards don't matter..

For me, I just view myself as a caretaker passing through my house..I try to improve it, keep it up and
live in it..I know it's going to be here long after I am..


Fark yeah. My house is an experimental Sheetrock palace from the late 1930s, built by an architect who was dying of TB, and even it is holding up better than ricky-ticky boxes built by developers.
 
2012-04-29 11:19:01 PM  

grimlock1972: Even more evidence why HOAs need to either be severely reigned in or preferably be banned.


They have a reason for existing. Usually it's so you can't park your meth trailer in the back of the house, hoist up a nazi flag, or something more realistic like you have a lake that needs yearly maintenance because you don't want it flooding the neighborhood right next door if the dam fails. The idea that they can EVER kick you out of your own house is what needs to be banned. Don't pay the fees get ding on your credit and get taken to court, not get kicked out of your place.

HOAs aren't all evil
 
2012-04-29 11:25:40 PM  
And the reason not to ban HOAs is. . .?
 
2012-04-29 11:26:25 PM  
I've lived in three separate homes with HOAs and so far, they've been fairly benign. Keep the weeds in the front yard down, replace any plants in the front yard that die, no garden gnomes in the front yard, bring your garbage bins back in by the end of the following day of pickup, no cars on the sidewalks, take the Christmas lights off the front of the house by February, no cars on blocks and use sane color schemes for your house's paint job.

I keep hearing about these Nazi HOAs, but I have yet to deal with one. I've found that when an issue comes up, sometimes you have to jump through a couple of hoops, but they're generally reasonable. OTOH, I live in a sunshine state that isn't completely batshiat insane. Our state actually passed a number of laws to limit the amount of power HOA governing boards have.
 
2012-04-29 11:33:15 PM  

pueblonative: And the reason not to ban HOAs is. . .?


they have legitimate purposes.. we just need to make it the law that they cannot exceed those legitimate purposes as the poster just before you was saying.
 
2012-04-29 11:36:00 PM  
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marketingaficionado?_mSplash=1

I'm thinking this is the same Mark Spector. A marketing twat. What a surprise.
 
2012-04-29 11:38:12 PM  
We did this to a tenant in my Condo building this weekend.

In 6 years, she's been current on assessments for only 6 months. This was the third time we've had to use an attorney to collect fees from her and the last time, we almost got to eviction before she coughed up a $5,000 check. This time, she ignored all correspondence. So the Sheriff's came on Friday morning to boot her out over $6,000 in unpaid assessments. It was $7,000, but she had sent a check randomly a few weeks ago to the old Board President's home, I'm assuming to try and thwart what was already in motion.

While the locks are being changed, I get a call from our management company. He said she wants to stay and promised she'd get us a $3,500 cashiers check that afternoon and another for $1,500 on Monday. Since that would practically put her back in the black, we said sure. An hour later, she shows up with the $3,500 cashiers check.

If she had just called the attorney and asked to pay down half and arrange a payment plan, she'd have avoided this, as well as the additional $1,000+ in fees that will now be tacked on for the locksmith, Management Company and Lawyer. Obviously she had access to the money. But this is someone whose unit reeks of weed morning and night & has had their electricity and gas turned off over the last six months.

Before I lived in a Condo building, I'd have been appalled that this exists. But after dealing with this moron, I understand why the law exists. I not about to jack up assessments on the rest of the units so this freeloader can have their common elements covered at our expense. She's more than happy to work the system and screw whomever she can.
 
2012-04-29 11:38:33 PM  

Kazan: Mr. Shabooboo: Some of you have really weird ideas about older homes..Not every home older than 1990's is falling
apart and need new everything. My house is over 80. It's brick, not new house "brick" veneer on 1/3 of
the front side, ALL BRICK..The electricity works, the plumbing works, etc.. It's absurdly solid. Sure the
floors squeek..It's 80 years old..But at 160, I bet it's still here when the newer houses become unglued and
fall apart. As it was mentioned before. Most new houses in developments are thrown together and cheap.
At the height of the building boom, the new houses in my are were being thrown together so quickly
that they just seemed to appear. These are the same houses that went to pieces in 50mph wind.
Windows fell out, the ubiquitous tan siding flew, and garage doors blew in. The "Castles in a cornfield"
are just a veneer over poor construction. When all the buyers care about are granite counters, the "exclusive"
area, and a culda-sac, construction standards don't matter..

For me, I just view myself as a caretaker passing through my house..I try to improve it, keep it up and
live in it..I know it's going to be here long after I am..

how many amps is your electrical service, how about the siesmic building code where you are at (most places don't have to worry about that) i doubt you'd pass that. how about the chemicals in your paint, what materials were used in your floors?


not every old house is crap.. out here the ones that aren't crap cost obscene amounts.


200 Amp. 80's era re-wire in a new box with breakers. Plumbing was updated sometime in the 60's or 70's too, it's plastic..Seismic isn't really an issue..I have earthquake/subsidence insurance anyway.Paint is all
latex, my floors are mostly wood, pine, stained and polyurethane, the rest of the areas are tile. The
basement has a couple of very minor leaks when it when wind drives heavy rain against the house..But
i'm working on that..Most I ever get in is like a 1/2 measuring cup tops..And that's when we get like 3 inches
of heavy wind blown rain..
 
2012-04-29 11:43:12 PM  
I'd rather have neighbors with cars up on blocks in their front yards than live under an HOA that has the power to tell me not to put a car up on blocks in my front yard.

The organization that has the power to make other people do what you want them to has the power to make you do what other people want you to.
 
2012-04-29 11:44:12 PM  
I'm curious as to how the hoa could evict her tenant with 24 hour notice? Where is there legal standing to try to force a tenant to pay them rent when the lease was presumably not an agreement with the HOA? It was my understanding that in FL the law says you have to give 30 days notice to evict and that is after it goes through the court.

/the owner of the townhouse next to mine lost the place to foreclosure. The bank had to give the renters in there 30 days to vacate.
 
2012-04-29 11:44:46 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: 200 Amp


nice

Mr. Shabooboo: 80's era re-wire in a new box with breakers


so not quite modern 200 amp service.. but it should be good.

Mr. Shabooboo: Plumbing was updated sometime in the 60's or 70's too, it's plastic..Seismic isn't really an issue..I have earthquake/subsidence insurance anyway.Paint is all


plastic? probably PVC.

where are you at? most of the country is fortunate not to have to worry about seismic.

Mr. Shabooboo: latex, my floors are mostly wood, pine, stained and polyurethane, the rest of the areas are tile. The
basement has a couple of very minor leaks when it when wind drives heavy rain against the house..But
i'm working on that..Most I ever get in is like a 1/2 measuring cup tops..And that's when we get like 3 inches
of heavy wind blown rain..


sounds in pretty good condition.

if i wanted that house out here and an hour or less commute I'd need to drop $600k minimum
 
2012-04-29 11:48:32 PM  
If your dumb enough to buy into an HOA can't really feel sorry for you.
 
2012-04-29 11:54:46 PM  

cockgoeshere: "I'm paying on a $400,000 mortgage when someone else walks in and pays $140,000 for the same house," Spector told the Tribune.


Translation: I bought the "houses never decrease in value" schtick hook, line, and sinker, and am now butthurt that I overpaid by such a large amount for my house which is now completely under water, and I am going to take my anger out on those who didn't fall for this trap and are therefore paying much less.


PURE WIN^^
 
2012-04-29 11:54:57 PM  

Omnivorous: rNightOwl2255: Everyone that purchased a home covered by an HOA did so willingly.

We'll leave the "willingly" aside. Our HOA recently banned VEGETABLES. But ignore that moranhood: an HOA is an unlimited financial liability against your property. If your HOA decides to persecute (your favorite minority), you are financial liable. Ours went after a homeowner over their farking trees --- and lost $1.000 per home in the court case.


I'll bet the HOA president was sick of getting tons of zucchini left on his doorstep every year.
 
2012-04-30 12:00:03 AM  
Ya'll seem to have made some wild assumptions about which house I was referring to.
 
2012-04-30 12:05:45 AM  
One more case of Hall Monitors Gone Mad.
 
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