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2012-04-29 08:28:20 PM  
HOAs seem like a way to privatize government services into the hands of residents. We see what the ideology of privatization leads to.
 
2012-04-29 08:29:55 PM  
Gotta pay for that swim/tennis complex somehow.
 
2012-04-29 08:30:05 PM  

penthesilea: I'm honestly shocked that more HOA or Bank evictions don't end with the former owner deciding to just burn the house down as a final fark you. When you have nothing left, might as well go down swinging.


I think most people would rather just be evicted from their home, as terrible as that is, rather than in addition to it facing charges ranging from arson up to first-degree murder if the fire spreads or if a firefighter or someone else gets killed.

Ashtrey: Never move somewhere with an HOA. At least that's what I have learned from Fark. Even if you have a wife or husband who you think can take over the board remember that like in the Game of Thrones, losing has a price.


True, this is valid for your typical single-family lots.

But in the case of condos, that's impossible. Who's going to pay to have the law mowed, or pay for bigger projects like roof repair/replacement, exterior repainting, etc?
 
2012-04-29 08:30:21 PM  

cman: Wow, thats insane.

Why are HOA still allow to operate with such extreme powers? This is something you would see in a communist system with common ownership, not a country that prides itself upon private ownership and due process of law


Meh. There are plenty of HOAs that have CC&Rs which allow them to rent a property, especially gated condos. They can clean and maintain a vacant property, lien the title, and hold up a sale until they're paid. Not that unusual.
 
2012-04-29 08:30:25 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:
/I know, I know Fark Independents, more government is never the answer


I think it is interesting that the more conservative states have more HOA's. It makes me think conservative angst is a lot less about "freedom" and a lot more about class segregation. Here in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts (as red states would have you believe), I could paint my house neon green and cover my yard with all of the banners, signs, and decorations I want. Bathtub Mary anyone?
 
2012-04-29 08:31:01 PM  
That HOA must be run by Dino Zaffina.
 
2012-04-29 08:31:14 PM  

DrRatchet: That's what you get for living in Florida. (Or anywhere with a HOA)

It occurs to me that developments with HOAs are the Tea Party ideal. A community with a fully privatized government! Choose your political leaders from the choices offered by the Free Market! And if you don't like it, just abandon your home and underwater mortgage and move under a bridge 'cause you aren't renting anywhere with what the bankruptcy did to your credit rating.


For a doctor, you sure have some dumb thoughts.
 
2012-04-29 08:31:52 PM  
Buy it.
Homestead it.
Leave the dead HOA members on the curb.

100% legal!
 
2012-04-29 08:32:12 PM  
It's Florida. How can a HOA rent a cop survive evicting someone illegally?
 
2012-04-29 08:32:46 PM  

penthesilea: Smeggy Smurf: It's nothing a few feet of chain, a couple gallons of gasoline and a match can't solve.

/it's like C4 but with the option to roast hot dogs

I'm honestly shocked that more HOA or Bank evictions don't end with the former owner deciding to just burn the house down as a final fark you. When you have nothing left, might as well go down swinging.


Cuz nothing screams "I showed you" like going to prison for arson.
 
2012-04-29 08:33:24 PM  
1) Turn gas on
2) Rig light bulb to burn by removing glass
3) Install in dark entry
4) KABOOM!
5) Collect insurance money and move the fark away.
 
2012-04-29 08:33:47 PM  

namatad: Chinchillazilla: I never really understood the existence of these crazy HOA's. My house is technically in an HOA, but I don't think they ever do anything except make sure common areas get mowed, replace dead trees at the front of the neighborhood with saplings, and stuff like that. There are dues but I don't think there are penalties if you don't pay them. There are also rules about what you can and can't build, but no one follows them and no one cares. You can't have a shed that isn't attached to your house, but almost everyone has one.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. Thank god. I can't imagine living somewhere like the hellhole in the article.

I have lived in a condo for 15+ years. A condo association is required. common roof, sidewalk, front door, walls, drains, water, etc ...
Makes total sense. Assuming that the board keeps the reserves in shape and doesnt run crazy spending money on BS.

The down side of NOT having a HOA is jerk moves, turns house into a crack den, lowers property values, everyone moves away, jerk buys property cheap, fixes everything up, makes a killing.
LOL


I'm one of those jerks who buy property to fix it and sell. I did not turn the place into a crack den first. The previous owners did not either though it was far from nice inside. So I'm a jerk for putting $20k+ into making it a livable house again. And I (and many others who do this) do much of the labor myself. Your're farking lucky jerks like us fix these houses. My first fix-n-flip goes on sale next week. Yea I'll make money but not killing. Jerk
 
2012-04-29 08:34:22 PM  
1) Turn gas on
2) Rig light bulb to burn by removing glass
3) Install in dark entry
4) HOA flips switch - KABOOM!
5) Collect insurance money and move the fark away.
 
2012-04-29 08:35:47 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:

But because it's a government commission, they're accountable to your rights in a way that HOAs just aren't. They can't stop you from exercising your freedom of speech, for example, and because it's a government commission, the courts give them much less leeway.


So very much this. I have experience with that in a non HOA situation. The biggest problem I have with my city government is that the pseudo-court administrative system allows them to bypass accountability. They've made it very hard to exercise eg. the right to an airing of grievances in court because they claim their "administrative hearings" ARE "courts". Except they're "informal" and don't follow things like rules of evidence or right to an appeal.

An HOA is like a child's model of a government without all the critical things like rights and due process.
 
2012-04-29 08:35:48 PM  

coco ebert: HOAs seem like a way to privatize government services into the hands of residents. We see what the ideology of privatization leads to.


its' not bad actually. I pay my condo fees, they leave me alone and someone else cuts the grass and shovels the snow. the fact that the HOA also owns the golf course and takes a cut of the revenue for maintenance fees helps out quite a bit.
 
2012-04-29 08:35:55 PM  

mikdeetx: 1) Turn gas on
2) Rig light bulb to burn by removing glass
3) Install in dark entry
4) HOA flips switch - KABOOM!
5) Collect insurance money and move the fark away.


6) 40 years to life of free room, board, and all the anal sex you can handle
 
2012-04-29 08:37:50 PM  

SDRR: penthesilea: Smeggy Smurf: It's nothing a few feet of chain, a couple gallons of gasoline and a match can't solve.

/it's like C4 but with the option to roast hot dogs

I'm honestly shocked that more HOA or Bank evictions don't end with the former owner deciding to just burn the house down as a final fark you. When you have nothing left, might as well go down swinging.

Cuz nothing screams "I showed you" like going to prison for arson.


Yeah, buy nobody could blame you for carelessly refinishing your cabinets with linseed oil.
 
2012-04-29 08:39:28 PM  

Corporate Self: mikdeetx: 1) Turn gas on
2) Rig light bulb to burn by removing glass
3) Install in dark entry
4) HOA flips switch - KABOOM!
5) Collect insurance money and move the fark away.

6) 40 years to life of free room, board, and all the anal sex you can handle


You're a brown noser I take it.
 
2012-04-29 08:40:59 PM  

GORDON: DrRatchet: That's what you get for living in Florida. (Or anywhere with a HOA)

It occurs to me that developments with HOAs are the Tea Party ideal. A community with a fully privatized government! Choose your political leaders from the choices offered by the Free Market! And if you don't like it, just abandon your home and underwater mortgage and move under a bridge 'cause you aren't renting anywhere with what the bankruptcy did to your credit rating.

For a doctor, you sure have some dumb thoughts.


HOA's are in no way a conservative dream.

The last thing a conservative wants is MORE GOVERNMENT.

Think about it, an HOA is like the worst form of socialism imaginable. They can make decisions for 'the good of the community' that allow them to seize your property and throw you out of it. You dont really own your home in an HOA community, you are renting the right to use it from your neighbors who are legally allowed to gang up on you and force you out.

Idiocy.

The only thing worse is Historic Overlay Zoning. Our city is screwed right now because one neighborhood full of shiatty hundred year old tenement housing got historic status through the actions of about 4 people. Now we are in danger of losing our most important expressway exits into our business district because a new bridge cant exit traffic near that historic neighborhood because of federal law limiting how many homes you can demolish in historic areas. Trust me, the homes are crap, they are mostly falling off a hillside, are infested with bed bugs, and were never nice historic homes, just vernacular single story brick housing.

Community organizers should be run out of town on rails by anyone interested in a nice place to live.
 
2012-04-29 08:41:37 PM  

Honest Bender: That HOA must be run by Dino Zaffina.


Quick! Add his middle initial before he sues you!!!!
 
2012-04-29 08:41:43 PM  

jaytkay: 1) Choose lame-ass suburban home in a lame-ass subdivision with an HOA
2) Willingly sign the HOA's contract
3) Break the contract cuz you're a rebel! not a lame-ass suburban dork! by golly!
4) Complain when they remind you of the contract you signed


You don't sign the HOA's contract willingly. It's included when you buy, and it's virtually impossible to buy a house without one attached in some parts of the country.

Stop being an idiot and try again.
 
2012-04-29 08:42:16 PM  

coco ebert: HOAs seem like a way to privatize government services into the hands of residents. We see what the ideology of privatization leads to.


It isn't the privatization that's the problem, it's the fact that HOAs are much more like corporations than governments. Corporations exist specifically to carry out activities without any ensuing negative consequences personally affecting the individuals in control.

Government without accountability.
 
2012-04-29 08:42:49 PM  
And yet all of us that manage to pay HOA fees so we don't live next to farkwits somehow managed to pay our bills on time and rent/sublease with no problems. It's probably the guy. Not her at all. Out of the other 399 properties in the complex that aren't having any problems. I'm sure it's just him.
 
2012-04-29 08:42:57 PM  

Weaver95: coco ebert: HOAs seem like a way to privatize government services into the hands of residents. We see what the ideology of privatization leads to.

its' not bad actually. I pay my condo fees, they leave me alone and someone else cuts the grass and shovels the snow. the fact that the HOA also owns the golf course and takes a cut of the revenue for maintenance fees helps out quite a bit.


Condos are generally an OK place for an HOA to operate in since someone has to maintain the building and common areas. Neighborhoods of single family houses are where the clusterfark HOAs seem to be. Perhaps it's because the condo HOA already has plenty to keep them busy, while the neighborhood HOA gets bored and starts messing with people.
 
2012-04-29 08:44:19 PM  

Intoxoman: namatad: Chinchillazilla: I never really understood the existence of these crazy HOA's. My house is technically in an HOA, but I don't think they ever do anything except make sure common areas get mowed, replace dead trees at the front of the neighborhood with saplings, and stuff like that. There are dues but I don't think there are penalties if you don't pay them. There are also rules about what you can and can't build, but no one follows them and no one cares. You can't have a shed that isn't attached to your house, but almost everyone has one.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. Thank god. I can't imagine living somewhere like the hellhole in the article.

I have lived in a condo for 15+ years. A condo association is required. common roof, sidewalk, front door, walls, drains, water, etc ...
Makes total sense. Assuming that the board keeps the reserves in shape and doesnt run crazy spending money on BS.

The down side of NOT having a HOA is jerk moves, turns house into a crack den, lowers property values, everyone moves away, jerk buys property cheap, fixes everything up, makes a killing.
LOL

I'm one of those jerks who buy property to fix it and sell. I did not turn the place into a crack den first. The previous owners did not either though it was far from nice inside. So I'm a jerk for putting $20k+ into making it a livable house again. And I (and many others who do this) do much of the labor myself. Your're farking lucky jerks like us fix these houses. My first fix-n-flip goes on sale next week. Yea I'll make money but not killing. Jerk


Property flippers move equity out of core neighborhoods. They are killing the 'sweat equity' effect that allowed homeowners of the last generation to buy cheap, renovate and eventually sell high. Every flipped property in my neighborhood is an embarrassment except the one they spent way too much money fixing up.

Good luck to you, but people just like you fed the housing bubble out west, you are not some sort of saint who is saving neighborhoods, get over yourself..
 
2012-04-29 08:45:19 PM  
My mother is in a place with a HOA. They do next to nothing, never respond to questions or requests for repair and milk her wallet bad. HOA can kiss my shiny metal ass.

/I need to get her out of there
//between HOA costs and property taxes
///NJ
 
2012-04-29 08:47:16 PM  

Weaver95: And yet another reason to never live in florida is revealed...


Except for my situation.
I just bought the house next door to me for 55,000.
Now I own a 2 house compound just minutes from the beach.

Sucks to be me I guess.
 
2012-04-29 08:47:19 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: It's nothing a few feet of chain, a couple gallons of gasoline and a match can't solve.

/it's like C4 but with the option to roast hot dogs


I've mean to ask. How does one keep the gasoline on the chain and keep oneself from being burn as you beat the person with a flaming chain?
 
2012-04-29 08:50:16 PM  
"This is not a foreclosed house," McCarn said. "This is still my house. It's unfair how much power the HOA has. It's so surreal to me."

So true. It's very unfair to sell a person a home without disclosing that it's in an HOA, and what the rules and bylaws of the HOA are. It's so unfair to be a home buyer and be expected to do basic research and due diligence on a property before buying it. And it's also unfair to buy an investment property and rent it out to deadbeat tenants and be expected to actually follow the deed restrictions of the community.
 
2012-04-29 08:51:04 PM  

Trolljegeren: SDRR: penthesilea: Smeggy Smurf: It's nothing a few feet of chain, a couple gallons of gasoline and a match can't solve.

/it's like C4 but with the option to roast hot dogs

I'm honestly shocked that more HOA or Bank evictions don't end with the former owner deciding to just burn the house down as a final fark you. When you have nothing left, might as well go down swinging.

Cuz nothing screams "I showed you" like going to prison for arson.

Yeah, buy nobody could blame you for carelessly refinishing your cabinets with linseed oil.


Dont use fire, use a concrete saw, just cut the house in half about 18 inches above the foundation. You are not doing anything illegal. Its simple a poorly considered DIY project. Dont forget the inside walls, cut those too. For good measure bump it with your truck a couple times.

There is a house in my neighborhood, owned by a slum lord, who is in trouble with the city. He is in trouble because he moved into the house and lived there without utilities for a year. He filled gallon jugs with urine and stores them in the house. Somehow there are HUNDREDS of jugs in the house. Thank god its several blocks away from me.
 
2012-04-29 08:51:56 PM  

thatboyoverthere: Smeggy Smurf: It's nothing a few feet of chain, a couple gallons of gasoline and a match can't solve.

/it's like C4 but with the option to roast hot dogs

I've mean to ask. How does one keep the gasoline on the chain and keep oneself from being burn as you beat the person with a flaming chain?


You have the wrong idea.

You attach the chain to the gas can, light it off at the spout, and then chase the person while swinging it around your head. It's sort of like a flaming hammer throw, except with a moving target.
 
2012-04-29 08:53:14 PM  
And for the record, I abhor HOA's. I think they're unnecessary and domineering. That's precisely why I'll never choose to buy a home within one.
 
2012-04-29 08:53:45 PM  

solokumba: Weaver95: And yet another reason to never live in florida is revealed...

Except for my situation.
I just bought the house next door to me for 55,000.
Now I own a 2 house compound just minutes from the beach.

Sucks to be me I guess.


Sounds like paradise.
 
2012-04-29 08:55:10 PM  

cman: Wow, thats insane.

Why are HOA still allow to operate with such extreme powers? This is something you would see in a communist system with common ownership, not a country that prides itself upon private ownership and due process of law


This IS private ownership & due process of law.

All you need is one person who has the time and money to overuse the process, and they can abuse the law any way they want to.

Nothing this guy has done is illegal, just like nothing the big corporations do is illegal. It may not be legal, but that's not really the same thing.
 
2012-04-29 08:55:13 PM  

cptjeff: You don't sign the HOA's contract willingly. It's included when you buy, and it's virtually impossible to buy a house without one attached in some parts of the country.


Please show one example of a person that was forced to sign a deed with HOA CC&R's attached at the point of a gun. Or even the threat of a firm wedgie.

Everyone that purchased a home covered by an HOA did so willingly.
 
2012-04-29 08:55:41 PM  

archichris: Intoxoman: namatad: Chinchillazilla: I never really understood the existence of these crazy HOA's. My house is technically in an HOA, but I don't think they ever do anything except make sure common areas get mowed, replace dead trees at the front of the neighborhood with saplings, and stuff like that. There are dues but I don't think there are penalties if you don't pay them. There are also rules about what you can and can't build, but no one follows them and no one cares. You can't have a shed that isn't attached to your house, but almost everyone has one.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. Thank god. I can't imagine living somewhere like the hellhole in the article.

I have lived in a condo for 15+ years. A condo association is required. common roof, sidewalk, front door, walls, drains, water, etc ...
Makes total sense. Assuming that the board keeps the reserves in shape and doesnt run crazy spending money on BS.

The down side of NOT having a HOA is jerk moves, turns house into a crack den, lowers property values, everyone moves away, jerk buys property cheap, fixes everything up, makes a killing.
LOL

I'm one of those jerks who buy property to fix it and sell. I did not turn the place into a crack den first. The previous owners did not either though it was far from nice inside. So I'm a jerk for putting $20k+ into making it a livable house again. And I (and many others who do this) do much of the labor myself. Your're farking lucky jerks like us fix these houses. My first fix-n-flip goes on sale next week. Yea I'll make money but not killing. Jerk

Property flippers move equity out of core neighborhoods. They are killing the 'sweat equity' effect that allowed homeowners of the last generation to buy cheap, renovate and eventually sell high. Every flipped property in my neighborhood is an embarrassment except the one they spent way too much money fixing up.

Good luck to you, but people just like you fed the housing bubble out west, you are not some ...


"Fed the housing bubble"?? Are you kidding? Property flippers created the housing bubble. Anyone who buys a home without the intention of making it a residence for at least 20+ years should be shot in the farking head. Homes are not investments, they are domiciles where human beings libe. If you treat them like the stock market you and your entire family should be raped and killed. And no, I'm not trolling/kidding.

/farking hates house flippers
 
2012-04-29 08:55:52 PM  

AccuJack: thatboyoverthere: Smeggy Smurf: It's nothing a few feet of chain, a couple gallons of gasoline and a match can't solve.

/it's like C4 but with the option to roast hot dogs

I've mean to ask. How does one keep the gasoline on the chain and keep oneself from being burn as you beat the person with a flaming chain?

You have the wrong idea.

You attach the chain to the gas can, light it off at the spout, and then chase the person while swinging it around your head. It's sort of like a flaming hammer throw, except with a moving target.


Ah. Next Pyro melee weapon for TF2?
 
2012-04-29 08:56:50 PM  

Nuclear Monk: I feel bad for anyone who wants to buy a brand new home though...unless you are building a custom home out in the woods, most new homes are part of this breed of overpowered HOAs. You really don't get a choice for new homes.

I think when we were buying this last round, only one new home wasn't part of an HOA. And it was way out in the sticks. I ended up getting an older one in probably the last neighborhood built before HOAs took over.


i close on a house in 2 days.. the HoA rules are nearly non-existent. and i'll make sure to get on the board when we gain control.

unless you have cash-on-hand it is impossible to get a new home without an HoA. and for electrical, structural and chemical reasons i don't trust anything older than 2004. (and i don't trust anything 2006 till the crash)
 
2012-04-29 08:57:03 PM  

NightOwl2255: cptjeff: You don't sign the HOA's contract willingly. It's included when you buy, and it's virtually impossible to buy a house without one attached in some parts of the country.

Please show one example of a person that was forced to sign a deed with HOA CC&R's attached at the point of a gun. Or even the threat of a firm wedgie.

Everyone that purchased a home covered by an HOA did so willingly.


THIS
 
2012-04-29 08:57:12 PM  

archichris: He is in trouble because he moved into the house and lived there without utilities for a year. He filled gallon jugs with urine and stores them in the house. Somehow there are HUNDREDS of jugs in the house


www.erowid.org?

But as to my boldness above, you do know how human anatomy works, yes?
 
2012-04-29 08:58:47 PM  

thatboyoverthere: Smeggy Smurf: It's nothing a few feet of chain, a couple gallons of gasoline and a match can't solve.

/it's like C4 but with the option to roast hot dogs

I've mean to ask. How does one keep the gasoline on the chain and keep oneself from being burn as you beat the person with a flaming chain?

www.headinjurytheater.com
He manages to do it.
 
2012-04-29 08:59:01 PM  

sharkbeagle: That's fine. I will of course take the private law into my own hands as well and actually murder several people on the HOA or their families and burn down said houses with or without people currently residing in them.

Not kidding. There will be blood.


On the one hand:
images.t-nation.com
/hotlinked

On the other hand part of the unwritten social contract we all agree to is the idea that you don't fark people over so they don't come to your house and set you on fire.

Fundamentally, I'm pretty sure what the HOA is doing is illegal, but buried underneath enough bullshiat that LOOKS legal to stop most folk from beating them down and suing them out of existence.
 
2012-04-29 08:59:54 PM  

SDRR: penthesilea: Smeggy Smurf: It's nothing a few feet of chain, a couple gallons of gasoline and a match can't solve.

/it's like C4 but with the option to roast hot dogs

I'm honestly shocked that more HOA or Bank evictions don't end with the former owner deciding to just burn the house down as a final fark you. When you have nothing left, might as well go down swinging.

Cuz nothing screams "I showed you" like going to prison for arson.



There's been a rash of 80+ year old people deciding to commit suicide after getting foreclosed on. And even this doesn't seem to faze anyone.
A burned down house might catch their attention.
 
2012-04-29 09:00:04 PM  

NightOwl2255: cptjeff: You don't sign the HOA's contract willingly. It's included when you buy, and it's virtually impossible to buy a house without one attached in some parts of the country.

Please show one example of a person that was forced to sign a deed with HOA CC&R's attached at the point of a gun. Or even the threat of a firm wedgie.

Everyone that purchased a home covered by an HOA did so willingly.


For some value of "willingly". Technically there's always a choice, like people choosing to buy a car instead of build their own. But there's no practical alternative, because the system is set up to make building your own car and actually using it on the road impossible unless you're a corporation with deep pockets and a profit motive. So yeah, you willingly buy a car because your only other choice is to walk.

/another pet peeve of mine
 
2012-04-29 09:01:23 PM  

penthesilea: SDRR: penthesilea: Smeggy Smurf: It's nothing a few feet of chain, a couple gallons of gasoline and a match can't solve.

/it's like C4 but with the option to roast hot dogs

I'm honestly shocked that more HOA or Bank evictions don't end with the former owner deciding to just burn the house down as a final fark you. When you have nothing left, might as well go down swinging.

Cuz nothing screams "I showed you" like going to prison for arson.


There's been a rash of 80+ year old people deciding to commit suicide after getting foreclosed on. And even this doesn't seem to faze anyone.
A burned down house might catch their attention.


I don't think the solution is destroying property that could be reused by others. They should just shoot the bankers or the HOA presidents. Put a bit of fear into the scumbags.
 
2012-04-29 09:01:58 PM  

AccuJack: NightOwl2255: cptjeff: You don't sign the HOA's contract willingly. It's included when you buy, and it's virtually impossible to buy a house without one attached in some parts of the country.

Please show one example of a person that was forced to sign a deed with HOA CC&R's attached at the point of a gun. Or even the threat of a firm wedgie.

Everyone that purchased a home covered by an HOA did so willingly.

For some value of "willingly". Technically there's always a choice, like people choosing to buy a car instead of build their own. But there's no practical alternative, because the system is set up to make building your own car and actually using it on the road impossible unless you're a corporation with deep pockets and a profit motive. So yeah, you willingly buy a car because your only other choice is to walk.

/another pet peeve of mine


You're honesty implying that there's no "practical alternative" to NOT buying a home in an HOA????
 
2012-04-29 09:03:36 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: AccuJack: NightOwl2255: cptjeff: You don't sign the HOA's contract willingly. It's included when you buy, and it's virtually impossible to buy a house without one attached in some parts of the country.

Please show one example of a person that was forced to sign a deed with HOA CC&R's attached at the point of a gun. Or even the threat of a firm wedgie.

Everyone that purchased a home covered by an HOA did so willingly.

For some value of "willingly". Technically there's always a choice, like people choosing to buy a car instead of build their own. But there's no practical alternative, because the system is set up to make building your own car and actually using it on the road impossible unless you're a corporation with deep pockets and a profit motive. So yeah, you willingly buy a car because your only other choice is to walk.

/another pet peeve of mine

You're honesty implying that there's no "practical alternative" to NOT buying a home in an HOA????


There's always renting apartments or living in freeway underpasses, because a lot of the good houses are locked up with HOAs.
 
2012-04-29 09:04:12 PM  
Hey, you get what you pay for.
 
2012-04-29 09:04:29 PM  

mikdeetx: Corporate Self: mikdeetx: 1) Turn gas on
2) Rig light bulb to burn by removing glass
3) Install in dark entry
4) HOA flips switch - KABOOM!
5) Collect insurance money and move the fark away.

6) 40 years to life of free room, board, and all the anal sex you can handle

You're a brown noser I take it.


Maybe; merely pointing out that your plan is both dangerous and would likely kill someone.

You're a cold blooded murder I take it
 
2012-04-29 09:05:38 PM  

farkityfarker: penthesilea: I'm honestly shocked that more HOA or Bank evictions don't end with the former owner deciding to just burn the house down as a final fark you. When you have nothing left, might as well go down swinging.

I think most people would rather just be evicted from their home, as terrible as that is, rather than in addition to it facing charges ranging from arson up to first-degree murder if the fire spreads or if a firefighter or someone else gets killed.

Ashtrey: Never move somewhere with an HOA. At least that's what I have learned from Fark. Even if you have a wife or husband who you think can take over the board remember that like in the Game of Thrones, losing has a price.

True, this is valid for your typical single-family lots.

But in the case of condos, that's impossible. Who's going to pay to have the law mowed, or pay for bigger projects like roof repair/replacement, exterior repainting, etc?


Well a condo is different. I meant places that dictate what colors the shutters can be or what plants you can landscape with.

Sure condos can charge for upkeep, no problem with me. I suppose I was off topic but I meant places that insist on absolute control over stand-alone structures. Not some place that says 'Hey it's spring, chip in to replace the pansys with lobelia'. Even if (like a place I lived) they insist you have white blinds you can put drapes on the inside.

But now that you mention it my comment was off topic. I was speaking against regulations, not against maintenance fees.

I really don't know where the law stands on this case. I'm torn between 'you knew what you signed up for' and 'they did WHAT?'.
 
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