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(Omaha World Herald)   The real reason Jim Delany has opposed a playoff: it will magnify the Big Ten's failure to become a consistent national title threat and diminish the league's Rose Bowl consolation prize   (omaha.com) divider line 87
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2012-04-29 12:28:42 PM
That was very well written, as compared to 99.9% of articles on college football.
 
2012-04-29 12:48:37 PM
The best thing that could happen to college football is if all these silly bowl games just went away.
 
2012-04-29 01:21:10 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The best thing that could happen to college football is if all these silly bowl games just went away.


That's the problem, all those little monopolies would be threatened.
 
2012-04-29 01:54:00 PM

Kurmudgeon: Marcus Aurelius: The best thing that could happen to college football is if all these silly bowl games just went away.

That's the problem, all those little monopolies would be threatened.


I would give better odds on Zombie Karl Marx being elected President and raising the ol' hammer and sickle over the White House.
 
2012-04-29 01:57:13 PM
And this is news?
 
2012-04-29 01:57:34 PM
I've always thought the reason that AD's and college presidents want to protect the bowl system isn't so much to protect a big-name bowl like the Orange Bowl or Rose Bowl, but to protect the second tier piece of crap bowls like, just to pick one at random, the Beef o'Brady's Bowl.

If the bowl system is scrapped, and a, say, 16 team playoff is instituted, it's gonna be difficult to get into it. But now, as it is, if you're in a major conference, and finish the season at .500 or better, you're getting into some bowl or another. And that's a good chance to fly the boosters down to get them liquored up, get them a lap dance or two, and get some big new pledges out of them.

But if there's a real playoff, your team goes 6-6 or 7-5, the season just ends, and you don't get that one last chance to schmooze, and those boosters are probably pissed off at you that your team sucks.
 
2012-04-29 02:02:35 PM

jake_lex: I've always thought the reason that AD's and college presidents want to protect the bowl system isn't so much to protect a big-name bowl like the Orange Bowl or Rose Bowl, but to protect the second tier piece of crap bowls like, just to pick one at random, the Beef o'Brady's Bowl.

If the bowl system is scrapped, and a, say, 16 team playoff is instituted, it's gonna be difficult to get into it. But now, as it is, if you're in a major conference, and finish the season at .500 or better, you're getting into some bowl or another. And that's a good chance to fly the boosters down to get them liquored up, get them a lap dance or two, and get some big new pledges out of them.

But if there's a real playoff, your team goes 6-6 or 7-5, the season just ends, and you don't get that one last chance to schmooze, and those boosters are probably pissed off at you that your team sucks.


The problem is that almost none of the schools make money from the bowl games because of mandatory ticket sales targets. Even BCS teams have a problem with it. UConn lost over a million dollars to play Oklahoma, and when Oklahoma failed to make a BCS bowl last year, they lost money. It's become a "keeping up with the Jones" scenario where schools fight to get into bowls that no one will watch and that their fans won't travel to, all so that you can brag about making a bowl game.
 
2012-04-29 02:18:59 PM

Mentat: And this is news?


Shown here in the sports pages -

ammandamccabe.com

next to the hunting report...
 
2012-04-29 02:32:01 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Mentat: And this is news?

Shown here in the sports pages -

[ammandamccabe.com image 598x434]

next to the hunting report...


The Denver Broncos?
You just don't understand football
 
2012-04-29 02:40:46 PM
This is basically what I've been saying for years now. Anything that's not the title game is a consolation game. Rose Bowl included. I am firmly in the Vince Lombardi 'loser's bowl for losers' mindset on every single bowl game that doesn't directly feed into or end with the awarding of a crystal football.
 
2012-04-29 02:44:18 PM
I wish they were still considering home field for the top two teams for the semi-finals. The excuse given by the BCS suits that the teams wouldn't be able to handle the crowd for the games is laughable. These towns do it 7 weekends a year, and if you look at the history of the top two teams each year, they generally have bigger stadiums than the nuetral site or current BCS bowl stadiums. The thought that fans of these teams will travel to 3 neutral site games within the span of a month is ludicrous. Either the conference championship game, the semifinal game or the championship game will have crap attendance because no one want sto shell out $1500 a person 3 times in December/January.

And part of the reason the Big10 has struggled in bowls lately is because they are essentially home games for their opponents. How many times in the last decade has a Big10 team played USC in the Rose Bowl, or a Florida team in the Orange Bowl, or LSU in the Sugar Bowl? The SEC wants to talk about being the best conference in CFB? They should come up north in December and prove it.
 
2012-04-29 02:47:49 PM
So in other words, "The Big Ten lacks the alumni willing to spend the money required to get the players the SEC, PAC-12, and Big 12 does."
 
2012-04-29 02:48:16 PM
What a surprise, the Nebraska guy doesn't understand why the Rose Bowl is a big deal to everyone else in the Big Ten.

I think what Delany really wanted was home games for the top 2 seeds. Or at least a northern site in some years for the semis or final, instead of virtual home games for schools in other conferences with the Big Ten team always having to travel. No one but the richest alums are travelling for a conference title game, then a semifinal, and then final, all within about a month, particularly if the semis and final are well out of driving distance.

The Hancock excuse for why they won't do home games for the semis is basically "well, a very small number of teams that might actually play in the playoff only hold 50,000 fans" and "college towns that host sellout crowds all year for college football games can't handle hosting a college football game." The latter is absolutely insane. I didn't hear anyone saying that Tuscaloosa couldn't handle the LSU/Bama game this year and all the media that showed up, and half that town had been leveled by a farking tornado six months prior.
 
2012-04-29 02:51:16 PM
Right, Jim, this is what we want. I'm sick of watching mediocre Big Ten teams. This will force you to either do what it takes to get better, or you can fade into noncontention along with Army, Navy, and Notre Dame.
 
2012-04-29 03:10:25 PM
The Delaneys don't like community organizers; a global agenda just smacks of co-operation.

That's for yew, Kitty.
 
2012-04-29 03:15:46 PM

Farnn: I wish they were still considering home field for the top two teams for the semi-finals. The excuse given by the BCS suits that the teams wouldn't be able to handle the crowd for the games is laughable. These towns do it 7 weekends a year, and if you look at the history of the top two teams each year, they generally have bigger stadiums than the nuetral site or current BCS bowl stadiums. The thought that fans of these teams will travel to 3 neutral site games within the span of a month is ludicrous. Either the conference championship game, the semifinal game or the championship game will have crap attendance because no one want sto shell out $1500 a person 3 times in December/January.

And part of the reason the Big10 has struggled in bowls lately is because they are essentially home games for their opponents. How many times in the last decade has a Big10 team played USC in the Rose Bowl, or a Florida team in the Orange Bowl, or LSU in the Sugar Bowl? The SEC wants to talk about being the best conference in CFB? They should come up north in December and prove it.


I would love to see an SEC team have to deal with frigid winds and snow flurries. And no matter who the matchup is, winter weather always makes football more fun to watch.
 
2012-04-29 03:21:30 PM
Bryz already makes a stop!

and they not starting brodeur?
 
2012-04-29 03:22:20 PM
whoops.... missed a thread. apologies my friends.

stay thirsty!
 
2012-04-29 03:24:02 PM

Smiths: Bryz already makes a stop!

and they not starting brodeur?


Come on, man, we're not threadjacking today.
 
2012-04-29 03:34:10 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The best thing that could happen to college football is if all these silly bowl games just went away.


How about instead... the bowl games (in name at least) became sponsors for the playoff games and run it like the NCAA tourney? Pare down the season to 9-10 games, take away Sagarin's margin of victory measure (to discourage teams loading up on cupcakes) and encourage teams to take a good balanced schedule (say less money for playing the bottom of the conference constantly). As the games get more important, it gets a bowl game with a bigger cache. So for example, one of the second round games in the south could be the Copper Bowl and a western semi-final game could be the Cotton Bowl. I admit travel might be an issue but it beats the scholock we watch now.
 
2012-04-29 03:55:46 PM
i enjoy the bowl games and really don't care who is number one.
the team that usually is, gets caught violating some recruiting rules down the road.
the rose bowl is a big thing here in Madison, WI
and everyone is happy when the badgers win, or lose that game.
 
2012-04-29 03:58:23 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Marcus Aurelius: The best thing that could happen to college football is if all these silly bowl games just went away.

How about instead... the bowl games (in name at least) became sponsors for the playoff games and run it like the NCAA tourney? Pare down the season to 9-10 games, take away Sagarin's margin of victory measure (to discourage teams loading up on cupcakes) and encourage teams to take a good balanced schedule (say less money for playing the bottom of the conference constantly). As the games get more important, it gets a bowl game with a bigger cache. So for example, one of the second round games in the south could be the Copper Bowl and a western semi-final game could be the Cotton Bowl. I admit travel might be an issue but it beats the scholock we watch now.


I'd be okay with that, but there's one issue:

and encourage teams to take a good balanced schedule (say less money for playing the bottom of the conference constantly).

As far as I know, teams don't usually get a say in their conference schedule. I'm sure that if Michigan had a choice, we'd be playing Wisconsin and Penn State more often than once every few years, like we are under the current Big Ten schedule.

Don't penalize teams (too much) for something they can't control. Punish them for the cupcakes they picked themselves.
 
2012-04-29 04:00:25 PM

GQueue: What a surprise, the Nebraska guy doesn't understand why the Rose Bowl is a big deal to everyone else in the Big Ten.

I think what Delany really wanted was home games for the top 2 seeds. Or at least a northern site in some years for the semis or final, instead of virtual home games for schools in other conferences with the Big Ten team always having to travel. No one but the richest alums are travelling for a conference title game, then a semifinal, and then final, all within about a month, particularly if the semis and final are well out of driving distance.

The Hancock excuse for why they won't do home games for the semis is basically "well, a very small number of teams that might actually play in the playoff only hold 50,000 fans" and "college towns that host sellout crowds all year for college football games can't handle hosting a college football game." The latter is absolutely insane. I didn't hear anyone saying that Tuscaloosa couldn't handle the LSU/Bama game this year and all the media that showed up, and half that town had been leveled by a farking tornado six months prior.


Speaking as a fan/alumnus of a Big Ten cellar dweller (IU), I never understood why it was a big deal either. In my mind a national title trumps everything else, no matter what the sport. My old roommate went to Wisconsin and swore up and down the Rose Bowl was more important to him than the national championship. Personally I think it's idiotic.
 
2012-04-29 04:04:08 PM

redmid17: My old roommate went to Wisconsin and swore up and down the Rose Bowl was more important to him than the national championship. Personally I think it's idiotic.


because the badgers always start out ranked 14th no matter how good the team is.
there is no national championship talk until that 6-0 start
and the ends abruptly after that first tough big 10 loss.
 
2012-04-29 04:09:18 PM

redmid17: Speaking as a fan/alumnus of a Big Ten cellar dweller (IU), I never understood why it was a big deal either. In my mind a national title trumps everything else, no matter what the sport. My old roommate went to Wisconsin and swore up and down the Rose Bowl was more important to him than the national championship. Personally I think it's idiotic.


If I had to guess it's more of a second tier Big 10 team mindset. At OSU and Michigan (and once upon a time maybe PSU) they'd much rather be playing some SEC juggernaut with a chance for it all. On the other hand, if you're MSU, UW, Iowa (or once upon a time Purdue) you know you'll never get a shot at getting picked over a PAC-10/Big 12/ACC team with a similar record so beating some "west coast punks" is as good as it's going to get.
 
2012-04-29 04:39:28 PM

redmid17: My old roommate went to Wisconsin and swore up and down the Rose Bowl was more important to him than the national championship. Personally I think it's idiotic.


Rose Bowl (up until recently) was something you could control - you win the conference, you go to the Rose Bowl.

"National Championship" is a popularity contest.

You people b*tch about the stupidity of the selection process, then you don't understand why people consider success via other people's votes a less important measurement than what you achieve on the field? Author and everyone in this thread that doesn't understand that the Rose Bowl is more important than the BCS is stupid.

I'd be okay with it if the Big 10 and Pac 12 told the rest of the conferences to go f*ck themselves. You guys want to have the SEC Invitational Tournament, wherein all games will be played in SEC country and the SEC will get at least half the entrants by virtue of being in the SEC, go ahead.

The Rose Bowl is the only bowl game to actually get higher TV ratings than a national championship game.
 
2012-04-29 04:40:48 PM
Why does playing in the "cold" even things up for the SEC? It's not like most of the Big whatever kids grew up playing in snow. If anything, I'd think playing in warm weather should help the Big whatever schools. I sure run better when I'm on vacation in Mexico as opposed to the snow.
 
2012-04-29 04:42:01 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: If I had to guess it's more of a second tier Big 10 team mindset. At OSU and Michigan (and once upon a time maybe PSU) they'd much rather be playing some SEC juggernaut with a chance for it all. On the other hand, if you're MSU, UW, Iowa (or once upon a time Purdue) you know you'll never get a shot at getting picked over a PAC-10/Big 12/ACC team with a similar record so beating some "west coast punks" is as good as it's going to get.


This. A hundred times. I'm a Wisconsin fan, and there is no point where we can reasonably attain a championship, except maybe if it would have played out with last season's team with this season's schedule. It's a defeatist attitude, but every team that is not Michigan or Ohio State in the Big Ten is automatically overshadowed by Michigan and Ohio State by the rest of the country. Last season, Wisconsin's only chance would have happened if we could have remained undefeated, and I know that goes for multiple programs as well because everything fell exactly into place. Wisconsin's, and as you mention, MSU, Iowa, and any other second-tier school, only chance comes from being undefeated. Other than that, all we have to hope for is the Rose Bowl. So that's what we focus on, because it's attainable. I'd love to see Wisconsin in a national championship, even if it's a guaranteed loss. But until that becomes a reality, I'll settle for the Rose Bowl.
 
2012-04-29 04:49:01 PM

IMDWalrus: Punish them for the cupcakes they picked themselves.


Which would kill off a lot of the FCS football programs, who depend on the income from guarantee games in order to keep the athletic department in the black.

My school won the FCS title in 2010 and had to play 4 home games and 8 road games just to stay afloat the next year.
 
2012-04-29 04:50:36 PM

Kurmudgeon: Marcus Aurelius: The best thing that could happen to college football is if all these silly bowl games just went away.

That's the problem, all those little monopolies would be threatened.


What monopolies?

None of you seem to realize that bowl games were only invented as a way to make cash off alumni, right? They had nothing to do with any playoffs or even to decide the NC when they started, its why lesser teams used to always get invited to bowl games since their fans support it. If you invite a boise st to a huge bowl you can count on selling half the tickets you would have since their fans do not travel as well.

Bottom line is the rose bowl is over rated and needs to just be another bowl game instead of some mythical game, its not and hasn't been for over a decade. The only people who care about the rose bowl are big 10/pac 10 fans.
 
2012-04-29 04:54:31 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The best thing that could happen to college football is if all these silly bowl games just went away.


That's ridiculous, more college football is always a good thing and bowl season always gives us some good match ups that we normally wouldn't get to see.
 
2012-04-29 04:56:37 PM

steamingpile: Bottom line is the rose bowl is over rated and needs to just be another bowl game instead of some mythical game, its not and hasn't been for over a decade. The only people who care about the rose bowl are big 10/pac 10 fans.


Which is why, even before the BCS, it was always sold out and always one of the most watched college football games of the year.
 
2012-04-29 04:58:14 PM

majestic: Why does playing in the "cold" even things up for the SEC? It's not like most of the Big whatever kids grew up playing in snow. If anything, I'd think playing in warm weather should help the Big whatever schools. I sure run better when I'm on vacation in Mexico as
opposed to the snow


It would screw up some teams, but I doubt Saban's squad would have a lot of problem with it, they run an offense that would be right at home in the Big Ten and a NFL defense a lot of northern teams operate successfully. Really I just don't think it would be fair to expect Big Ten fans to ALWAYS have to travel 1000+ miles for both the semi and final while other teams get games in easy driving distance. Home games would be ideal (regular season matters a little more then, and home games are always a better atmosphere than neutral site games other than those that are traditionally neutral site like OU/UT), but if they just wanted to put Indy and their indoor stadium in the rotation, I'd be fine with that too.

steamingpile: The only people who care about the rose bowl are big 10/pac 10 fans


That's a lot more fans than those tied to the other bowls though. There's a reason the Rose is pretty much always the highest rated bowl game.
 
2012-04-29 05:00:59 PM

9beers: Marcus Aurelius: The best thing that could happen to college football is if all these silly bowl games just went away.

That's ridiculous, more college football is always a good thing and bowl season always gives us some good match ups that we normally wouldn't get to see.


[citation needed]
 
2012-04-29 05:08:11 PM

PowerSlacker: 9beers: Marcus Aurelius: The best thing that could happen to college football is if all these silly bowl games just went away.

That's ridiculous, more college football is always a good thing and bowl season always gives us some good match ups that we normally wouldn't get to see.

[citation needed]


If you don't like college football, don't watch it. But don't go supporting eliminating college football games just because you don't enjoy watching smaller schools or schools that lost a couple games during the year go at it.

Who likes TDs scored in the last 15 second to eke out a 1-point victory?

I know it was an abomination for defensive-minded folks, but did you not enjoy Baylor's 67-56 win over Washington?

There's always that opportunity to watch Notre Dame lose again on national TV.

Oh, right, the best game last year was the 21-0 snoozefest. Because there was a pretty crystal trophy at the end! YAY SHINY!
 
2012-04-29 05:41:40 PM

PowerSlacker: [citation needed]


Toledo 42 Air Force 41
Ohio 24 Utah St 23
LA Lafayette 32 San Diego St 30
Purdue 37 W Michigan 32
Baylor 67 Washington 56
BYU 24 Tulsa 21
Utah 30 Georgia Tech 27
Michigan St 33 Georgia 30
Oregon 45 Wisconsin 38
Oklahoma State 41 Stanford 38
Michigan 23 Virginia Tech 20

If those didn't qualify as good, you're just not a college football fan.
 
2012-04-29 05:55:32 PM

9beers: If those didn't qualify as good, you're just not a college football fan.


Let's be fully real, and get rid of the word "college" in there. You don't like those games, you don't like football.
 
2012-04-29 05:59:09 PM
I wish they'd consider a 6 team playoff (top two teams get a 1st round bye). Sounds like they're determined to keep it 4 teams though.
 
2012-04-29 06:07:50 PM
'Barf Knecht'? Oh, there's GOT to be a history behind that name.
 
2012-04-29 06:09:03 PM

IAmRight: IMDWalrus: Punish them for the cupcakes they picked themselves.

Which would kill off a lot of the FCS football programs, who depend on the income from guarantee games in order to keep the athletic department in the black.

My school won the FCS title in 2010 and had to play 4 home games and 8 road games just to stay afloat the next year.


You're right, and I don't have a problem with the smaller schools getting a big payday through those games. My issue is with giving teams credit for being "good" when they obliterate programs like Northwestern State or North Texas.

I don't have a problem with the creampuff games, but I do have a problem with them feeding into the rankings. Unfortunately, I don't have a better solution in mind since it appears we're still not likely to get a playoff system anytime soon.

majestic: Why does playing in the "cold" even things up for the SEC? It's not like most of the Big whatever kids grew up playing in snow.


You've never been to Michigan in November, have you? The last few games of the Big Ten schedule are almost always in cold weather. Snow might not happen, but winds or freezing rain usually do.
 
2012-04-29 06:09:12 PM

IMDWalrus: I would love to see an SEC team have to deal with frigid winds and snow flurries.


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CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
 
2012-04-29 06:16:50 PM

IAmRight: I'd be okay with it if the Big 10 and Pac 12 told the rest of the conferences to go f*ck themselves. You guys want to have the SEC Invitational Tournament, wherein all games will be played in SEC country and the SEC will get at least half the entrants by virtue of being in the SEC, go ahead.


They did tell everyone to go fark themselves in 1992 when the Bowl Coalition was formed. Then in 1994, Penn State was denied a chance at a championship in favor of Nebraska due to the Big Ten's obligations to the Rose Bowl. That's when they all came slinking back and eventually formed the BCS. The Big 10 and Pac-12 aren't going to do shiat and everyone knows it, so you might as well just suck it up.
 
2012-04-29 06:18:22 PM
Wen I was a kid, I thought the Rose Bowl kicked ass. Now, it's just a bowl game between lesser teams that has a nice parade.
 
2012-04-29 06:18:27 PM

GQueue: What a surprise, the Nebraska guy doesn't understand why the Rose Bowl is a big deal to everyone else in the Big Ten.


What a surprise, the Big Ten doesn't understand that this mindset is why Nebraska is going to own that damn conference for decades to come. Nebraska's about winnin', and at that level, winnin' doesn't mean just a bowl game.
 
2012-04-29 06:22:22 PM

IAmRight: redmid17: My old roommate went to Wisconsin and swore up and down the Rose Bowl was more important to him than the national championship. Personally I think it's idiotic.

Rose Bowl (up until recently) was something you could control - you win the conference, you go to the Rose Bowl.

"National Championship" is a popularity contest.

You people b*tch about the stupidity of the selection process, then you don't understand why people consider success via other people's votes a less important measurement than what you achieve on the field? Author and everyone in this thread that doesn't understand that the Rose Bowl is more important than the BCS is stupid.

I'd be okay with it if the Big 10 and Pac 12 told the rest of the conferences to go f*ck themselves. You guys want to have the SEC Invitational Tournament, wherein all games will be played in SEC country and the SEC will get at least half the entrants by virtue of being in the SEC, go ahead.

The Rose Bowl is the only bowl game to actually get higher TV ratings than a national championship game.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-29 06:23:31 PM

Gonz: GQueue: What a surprise, the Nebraska guy doesn't understand why the Rose Bowl is a big deal to everyone else in the Big Ten.

What a surprise, the Big Ten doesn't understand that this mindset is why Nebraska is going to own that damn conference for decades to come. Nebraska's about winnin', and at that level, winnin' doesn't mean just a bowl game.


With Taylor Martinez under center? hahaha
 
2012-04-29 06:23:32 PM
I would really like to see the #1 and #2 teams get a home game. It'd just be a freaking great atmosphere. However, I think the corporate pull is going to be just too much. And, come on, two national semi-finals games at 4 and 7:30 on New Year's Day in the Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl would be just about the biggest goddamn thing in the history of ever. That'd be awesome.

Also, I don't understand the Rose Bowl and its conference insistence. But, fine. They can keep the B1G and Pac-12 teams that don't qualify for the National Championship picture and the rest of the teams will play for the national title.
 
2012-04-29 06:25:42 PM

Gonz: GQueue: What a surprise, the Nebraska guy doesn't understand why the Rose Bowl is a big deal to everyone else in the Big Ten.

What a surprise, the Big Ten doesn't understand that this mindset is why Nebraska is going to own that damn conference for decades to come. Nebraska's about winnin', and at that level, winnin' doesn't mean just a bowl game.


I guess when you can get invited to title games despite not being able to win your own division within your conference, much less your own conference, you get skewed on your priorities. Such is life for Nebraska.

Then again, now that teams win national titles without winning their division or their conference, I suppose this kind of retarded logic works.
 
2012-04-29 06:25:51 PM
Also, I love the SEC Invitational tournament.

Crying about the SEC teams getting in to the national championship was what delayed the playoffs in the first place. Now, it comes back again.
 
2012-04-29 06:29:21 PM

Gonz: What a surprise, the Big Ten doesn't understand that this mindset is why Nebraska is going to own that damn conference for decades to come. Nebraska's about winnin', and at that level, winnin' doesn't mean just a bowl game.


Care to call in fiften years when the blackshirts are respectable again? Oh, wait, the only defenses worth a damn are in the SEC.

/Thanks for playing
//Just wait for Michigan to fall off again
 
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