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(NewsBusters)   Foreign countries with a financial stake in seeing the US oil and gas industries fail are funding left-wing groups and documentaries to spread lies against 'big energy'. Oh, and the media is in on it too   (newsbusters.org) divider line 34
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2012-04-29 02:23:31 PM
3 votes:
Oh, so basically doing what Big Oil does to renewable energy then?

/What do you have against the free market?
2012-04-29 01:46:17 PM
3 votes:
It amazes me that the simple density of the bullshiat these assclowns spew hasn't resulted in spontaneous fusion
2012-04-29 01:37:55 PM
3 votes:

FloydA: Anyone know what America's biggest export is?


i47.tinypic.com
2012-04-29 03:10:40 PM
2 votes:
I just want a law passed that demands the natural gas companies make some effort to capture and sequester any of the helium that comes from their drilling. Because we're @#^%#@ running out, and we *really need it* for scientific purposes, since it's the only safe, easy way to cool things to, say, 4 Kelvin.

/I suppose one could use liquid hydrogen, too, but that could be... well, that has a lot more ways to go wrong.
2012-04-29 02:53:27 PM
2 votes:
A Nutclusters link? Oh, WTF, why not? It's Sunday.

*click*

fta: Administrator Al Armendariz, who became deservedly infamous last week when his public articulation of his "Crucify Them" philosophy towards enforcement of environmental laws and regulations in a speech a year ago was exposed...

How about no?

It was an analogy that basically breaks down to "Enforcement agencies that don't enforce the rules don't make polluters rethink their actions". In full context he recognized the crudity of the analogy before making it.

Manufactured butt-hurt is manufactured and hilarious.

So, basically, Nutclusters is all aboard the "Frakking is just swell" bandwagon here (built and sponsored by Big Energy concerns) and trying to tie the EPA to Chavez to Josh Fox all while discrediting Gasland, the documentary?

This is my surprised face -_-
2012-04-29 02:27:15 PM
2 votes:

NewportBarGuy: FloydA: Anyone know what America's biggest export is?

[i47.tinypic.com image 640x425]


The sheer expense shown in that one picture is amazing.
2012-04-29 02:25:20 PM
2 votes:
The correct answer is ALWAYS the one where there's a conspiracy against conservatives.
2012-04-29 02:15:43 PM
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: American natural gas companies are the ones killing themselves with endless drilling leading to massive excess in supply. The storage facilities and pipelines can't take much more and they keep trying to shove more in.

To be honest, I'm glad I have electric heat. It's been the most stable of the three options in the past few years. I never thought I'd say that even 5 years ago. National Grid wants to charge me $12,000 to hook up to nat gas, so that ain't happening.

The Pedophile Post should be proud that foreign companies are trying to influence our market to benefit their companies. They learned by watching us do it to them for decades.

By letting all the gas companies drill all the wells they wanted, the evil liberals practically forced these companies to produce a massive glut of natural gas. Same goes for oil.

These people will stop at nothing to do something or other, I'm not quite sure what, but it's not going to be good.


Part of the reason for the glut of natural gas is due to the high price of oil. Natural gas is a natural by-product of oil drilling and the oil companies are not going to turn down free money.
2012-04-29 02:08:05 PM
2 votes:

FloydA: Anyone know what America's biggest export is?


Freedom!
2012-04-29 09:58:48 PM
1 votes:
A big part of the problem is that oil and gas companies are their own worst enemy. Their track record on the environment and safety is awful. And for years they bankrolled and supported all sorts of climate-change denialism. They still are if you count the Koch brothers as part of the group.

So, when they say hydraulic fracturing isn't a problem, it's really hard to believe them.

But they're almost certainly right for once.

The fractures remain at depth, even the longest ones growing less than 600 m upwards. For an operation that remains more than 1 km at depth (0.6 miles), the risk of those fractures reaching groundwater and contaminating is extremely remote. PDF Link

The Duke study often referred to as demonstrating that hydraulically fracturing contaminated groundwater actually did not such thing. The lack of chemicals in the groundwater indicated that it was likely from shoddy well casing as described by the study's authors. Link But that study didn't do a before and after test, only after the well had been fracked, so there was no way to determine if the gas was pre-existing in the water wells or not. Other scientists have shown that, in Pennsylvania, about 20% of water wells have pre-existing methane and water quality is typically crap before any gas wells are ever drilled nearby. PDF Link In some areas of Pennsylvania, 60% to 80% of water wells are already contaminated by naturally occurring natural gas (so, don't have the link handy).

The EPA draft study in Pavillion, Wyoming (and to this point it's still a draft and not a final document) essentially found numerous problems with how wells were drilled and fracked out there. There are over 30 unreclaimed, unlined surface pits that had one contained drilling/fracking/produced water, always a hazard. The well casing in many of the gas wells was pathetic. And they found that, maybe, we shouldn't be fracking to extract natural gas out of the same formations some people are getting their groundwater from. Link

Having said this, there are some significant methodological problems with this study (for example, some of the EPA's test wells have very high levels of potassium and even the deepest residential water wells didn't, suggesting the EPA may have contaminated their test wells). Since then, the EPA has agreed to go back and do further testing. And this is also Wyoming, which has some really crappy regulations (though have gotten better -- but crap is still crap).

Anyways, there's a lot of blame being thrown around. And things, as always, are complicated and don't fit in the sound-bite driven media, which always makes things difficult to discuss when they're just looking for some outrage in the audience. I just worry that, with all the focus on fracking, other more important stuff is going to be overlooked, like making sure casing standards are adequate, or maybe forcing companies to use steel tanks to hold produced fluids at all times rather than surface pits, which have always been problematic.
2012-04-29 07:56:26 PM
1 votes:

goatleggedfellow: Felgraf: I just want a law passed that demands the natural gas companies make some effort to capture and sequester any of the helium that comes from their drilling. Because we're @#^%#@ running out, and we *really need it* for scientific purposes, since it's the only safe, easy way to cool things to, say, 4 Kelvin.

/I suppose one could use liquid hydrogen, too, but that could be... well, that has a lot more ways to go wrong.

If we're running low on helium, the price will rise. If the high price warrants capturing the helium, the gas companies will do so and sell it.

Certain situations warrant government intervention in the market. This is not necessarily one of them.


You're an idiot. The free market doesn't have perfect knowledge of situations and bungles it all the time. More often than not, "free markets" lead to the destruction of the commons.

/I hate you damn free market Randroid motherfarkers.
2012-04-29 07:14:15 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: Anyone know what America's biggest export is?


Bullshiat.
2012-04-29 07:13:05 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: Anyone know what America's biggest export is?


Evil.
2012-04-29 06:52:14 PM
1 votes:
Are these guys being serious or is this some meta shiat that is over my head? I would find them almost endearing, if it wasn't for the fact that about a quarter America and Canada think that these guys are some rebel truth-tellers. This should be in the weekly world news, not tagged as "interesting" on a news aggregator site.
2012-04-29 06:01:01 PM
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Shouldn't there be a rule about disclosing all funders of speech? And you can't use titles like "Americans for Apple Pie and Puppies" Actually have to declare your position in your groups name, and make individual contributors names easy to access.

/This message brought to you by Cool Ranch Doritos.


I like your idea, but nobody would name a group "We're Only in it to F*ck America" or "We Talk a Good Talk, But We've Never Saved an Animal in Recorded History".
2012-04-29 05:37:08 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: Anyone know what America's biggest export is?


Porn?.

/I'm not even sure if it's guns anymore
2012-04-29 05:20:39 PM
1 votes:
"what do you say, Jamie?"

"I'd say this story is busted."

"Agreed. Not a shred of credibility. Busted."

img100.imageshack.us
2012-04-29 04:34:41 PM
1 votes:
The Independent Petroleum Association of America's Energy In Depth blog thoroughly debunked so much of what is in "Gasland" in June 2010 that one almost has to conclude that the list of truths in the film was miles shorter than the list of false assertions and contentions.

They sound quite independent. Clearly we will only be getting the most objective and unbiased look at the claims of Gasland from this group. The oil and coal industries have done such a good job debunking anthropomorphic climate change, why not let the natural gas industry debunk all those silly fracking myths too?

We all know now that fracking will create 1,000,000 new jobs and make all our water cleaner. Meanwhile the scourge of solar power continues to destroy the economy and force women to get abortions. When will the madness end?
2012-04-29 04:06:41 PM
1 votes:

SilentStrider: Weaver95: i'm guessing either war or reruns of Glee. dealer's choice as to which is more destructive to civlization around the world.

war. At least you can turn off the TV when Glee comes around.


Unless my wife has the remote.

/I don't mind Glee
//It gives me a good excuse to spend an evening at the pub
2012-04-29 04:04:06 PM
1 votes:

Guntram Shatterhand: So has LOPCATGATA expanded to include everything under the sun now?


For a while now I thought it was easier to make a list of things NOT conspiring against the GOP and therefore America.

It'd be a pretty short list.
2012-04-29 04:02:27 PM
1 votes:
So has LOPCATGATA expanded to include everything under the sun now?
2012-04-29 04:00:01 PM
1 votes:
Odd; replace "US" with "Canada" in the headline, and that's the exact position of the current Canadian government regarding opposition to a pipeline from the Alberta oilsands to the BC coast and the oilsands operation as a whole.
2012-04-29 03:59:55 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: Anyone know what America's biggest export is?


According to this NPR program from last week, our biggest export is garbage. For example, a Chinese woman became a millionaire by buying our garbage, shipping it to China, making new stuff with it (packaging, mostly) and then selling it back to the U.S. Link pops: Garbology
2012-04-29 03:44:56 PM
1 votes:
It's going to run out, and when it does, I hope all of you and your children suffer for it.
2012-04-29 03:13:59 PM
1 votes:
The unlikely tag just died of an aneurism.
2012-04-29 03:13:05 PM
1 votes:

JAYoung: When Big Oil privately hires Blackwater The United States Military next time they need a 250,000-man army to keep their supply lines open -- and adds that cost to the pump price deficit -- renewable energy will suddenly be the better bargain still be unavailable due to being blocked by Big Oil.

2012-04-29 02:52:04 PM
1 votes:
We need to use up our own resources faster! That way when we run out, we'll be more dependent on other countries which we can then just take over with our superior military. This is why these coward countries are trying to get us to conserve. They know that once we've used up our own oil and gas, they are farked.
2012-04-29 02:43:11 PM
1 votes:
They do know that the whole Keystone Pipeline was in the interest of foreign nations right?

Or are they really that stupid?
2012-04-29 02:32:23 PM
1 votes:
Also the entire point of this article is "I don't like Gasland." Well, okay. You don't have to.
2012-04-29 02:22:02 PM
1 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: > newsbusters
> seems legit


Done in 15.
2012-04-29 02:04:38 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: Anyone know what America's biggest export is?


I know we're exporting gasoline to China and India even though we're only at 80% of our refining capacity.
2012-04-29 12:40:38 PM
1 votes:
This guy is a perfect example. He's got a free natural gas tap in his house, but is he happy? No. And why not? Because he doesn't have the sense God gave him to use this natural resource to his advantage.
i.lv3.hbo.com

Now if it were me, I'd do something useful with this resource, like making a garden hose that could set you on fire and put you out at the same time. That would be awesome.
2012-04-29 12:33:22 PM
1 votes:
That may be true, but it doesn't invalidate criticism against US oil and gas groups.

Granted, the documentary might be propaganda. But although we have a tendency to view the term "propaganda" negatively, sometimes propaganda can be right (albeit, it's usually distorted and misleading). Let's not forget that NewsBusters can be a source of propaganda itself.

Is NewsBusters right? Is GasLand right? I'm sure both are right in some parts and wrong in others. I'm sure there's exaggeration on both sides.

Chavez may be a wacko, but that doesn't mean he's wrong to criticize the US.
2012-04-29 12:22:00 PM
1 votes:
American natural gas companies are the ones killing themselves with endless drilling leading to massive excess in supply. The storage facilities and pipelines can't take much more and they keep trying to shove more in.

To be honest, I'm glad I have electric heat. It's been the most stable of the three options in the past few years. I never thought I'd say that even 5 years ago. National Grid wants to charge me $12,000 to hook up to nat gas, so that ain't happening.

The Pedophile Post should be proud that foreign companies are trying to influence our market to benefit their companies. They learned by watching us do it to them for decades.
 
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