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(Rolling Stone)   Bob Dylan will receive the nation's highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, for his contributions to the arts as both a singer and songwriter. Smart move, President Obama   (rollingstone.com) divider line 95
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2012-04-29 07:32:30 AM
Freedom's just around the corner from you but with the truth so far off what good could it do?
 
2012-04-29 08:39:45 AM
Please her, please him, buy gifts, don't steal, don't lift
Twenty years of schooling and they give you a Presidential medal of freedom.
 
2012-04-29 09:42:37 AM
Good for Zimmy

He's earned it
 
2012-04-29 09:46:21 AM
We'll learn a lot about some Farkers from this thread.
 
2012-04-29 09:47:20 AM
The man in me thinks Dylan is most deserving of this.
 
2012-04-29 09:49:23 AM
Awards For EVERYONE!
YAY!
 
2012-04-29 09:49:30 AM
A black socialist gave a jewsih socialist a medal.
 
2012-04-29 09:51:13 AM
"And the ants are our friends and they're blowing in the wind..."
 
2012-04-29 09:56:47 AM

The Iconoclast: "And the ants are our friends and they're blowing in the wind..."


'Scuse me, while I kiss this guy!
 
2012-04-29 09:58:35 AM
So somebody taught him to sing? About damn time.
 
2012-04-29 10:11:18 AM
"The pump don'y work cause obama took the handle"
 
2012-04-29 10:13:05 AM
And Dylan will give an acceptance speech in which no one will understand what he is saying, but will be redone by three other award winners who all get famous from it.
 
2012-04-29 10:15:08 AM
Zimmerman!

DRINK!
 
2012-04-29 10:17:03 AM

jso2897: The Iconoclast: "And the ants are our friends and they're blowing in the wind..."

'Scuse me, while I kiss this guy!


There's a bathroom on the right.
 
2012-04-29 10:20:06 AM
Vince, you're a highway in the sunshine.
 
2012-04-29 10:21:17 AM
Are we sure it's not just for the songwriting?
 
2012-04-29 10:27:00 AM
We all serve somebody.
 
2012-04-29 10:32:21 AM
You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.
 
2012-04-29 10:50:35 AM
Last verse of one of his finest, IMHO:

Starry-eyed an' laughing, as I recall when we were caught
Trapped by no track of hours, for they hanged suspended
As we listened one last time, an' we watched with one last look
Spellbound an' swallowed 'til the tolling ended
Tolling for the aching whose wounds cannot be nursed
For the countless confused, accused, misused, strung-out ones an' worse
An' for every hung-up person in the whole wide universe
An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
 
2012-04-29 10:52:20 AM

holdmybones: You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.


And I thought when I was there, 'Lord, what am I doing here?
Tryin' to kill somebody or DIE tryin'.'
But the thing that scared me most, when my enemy came close,
I saw that his face looked just like mine.

Then I couldn't help but think, through the thunder roar and stink,
That I was just a puppet in a play.
And through the roar and smoke, that string, it finally broke,
And a cannonball it blew my ass away
 
2012-04-29 10:59:18 AM
Eh, I don't wanna shiat on the thread, so let's just say I don't get the hype.
 
2012-04-29 11:04:25 AM
Take it away Bob -

I asssd as nicely as I coooooould... If somehow my job woooooould... be finished, by Friday?? (cue crazed miscellaneous harmonica-ing)

/wanna buy some mandies Bob?
 
2012-04-29 11:04:39 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, I don't wanna shiat on the thread, so let's just say I don't get the hype.


yeah, bob dylan is one of those things where his actual music is crap, but if you were alive during the specific time and events when he was making it, the links and memories it evokes makes up for it.
 
2012-04-29 11:04:54 AM

Broktun: holdmybones: You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.

And I thought when I was there, 'Lord, what am I doing here?
Tryin' to kill somebody or DIE tryin'.'
But the thing that scared me most, when my enemy came close,
I saw that his face looked just like mine.

Then I couldn't help but think, through the thunder roar and stink,
That I was just a puppet in a play.
And through the roar and smoke, that string, it finally broke,
And a cannonball it blew my ass away


God, what a great song. Listening to it at the Gaslight '62 right now
 
2012-04-29 11:06:04 AM
But when will Fartbongo honor RUSH?

They are the greatest band evar and noone gives them any respect!
 
2012-04-29 11:08:11 AM
Desolation Row always gets me:

Yes, I received your letter yesterday
(About the time the doorknob broke)
When you asked how I was doing
Was that some kind of joke?
All these people that you mention
Yes, I know them, they're quite lame
I had to rearrange their faces
And give them all another name
Right now I can't read too good
Don't send me no more letters, no
Not unless you mail them
From Desolation Row


/also, even the president of the United States sometimes has to stand naked
 
2012-04-29 11:11:08 AM

tlchwi02: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, I don't wanna shiat on the thread, so let's just say I don't get the hype.

yeah, bob dylan is one of those things where his actual music is crap, but if you were alive during the specific time and events when he was making it, the links and memories it evokes makes up for it.


If you can't understand that he made modern pop and rock possible (along with the Beatles, which he also influenced heavily), then I can't help you.
 
2012-04-29 11:15:14 AM

tlchwi02: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, I don't wanna shiat on the thread, so let's just say I don't get the hype.

yeah, bob dylan is one of those things where his actual music is crap, but if you were alive during the specific time and events when he was making it, the links and memories it evokes makes up for it.


I get that, I guess. But I listen to a lot of folk and songwriter music from the 60's and there's a lot of really great stuff from that time. Way better than Dylan's work.

I guess I just expect that in 50 years, people are going to look back at this time period and reflect on how Lil Wayne or Rihanna "defined a generation" when there's WAY better stuff out right now, it just doesn't appeal to the lowest common denominator.
 
2012-04-29 11:17:18 AM
When the Night Comes Falling from the Sky is an underrated classic. Empire Burlesque was a great album.
 
2012-04-29 11:27:17 AM
The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid
And the marshals and cops get the same
But the poor white man's used in the hands of them all like a tool
He's taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
'Bout the shape that he's in
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.
 
2012-04-29 11:28:51 AM
Someone disagrees that he was all that.

Since she was one of his contemporaries, and a respected singer/songwriter, you have to give her opinion some credence.
 
2012-04-29 11:30:39 AM
Awesome.

He should ask for a pardon for "Knocked Out Loaded" as long as he's there, though.
 
2012-04-29 11:31:37 AM

The English Major: When the Night Comes Falling from the Sky is an underrated classic. Empire Burlesque was a great album.


I hate the Empire Burlesque version. The version on The Bootleg Series, however, is easily his best song from the 80s.
 
2012-04-29 11:33:32 AM

She comes in colors everywhere: If you can't understand that he made modern pop and rock possible (along with the Beatles, which he also influenced heavily), then I can't help you.


I look at Dylan the same way i look at marilyn monroe or james dean. Monroe wasn't particularly talented, and Dean wasn't in enough movies to judge but they embodied some facet of the culture that transcended their personal abilities. when you compare monroe to her contemporaries, she is at best a mediocre actress but she managed to be THE ideal of sexy in her timeframe. And people are still all about her (and seriously, can you name any of the oscar winning women from the years she was working? i can't) Same thing with Dean- he managed to become THE ideal of cool for a whole generation, but he was only really in a handful of movies before his death.

dylan is like that for me. his actual music playing and singing isn't all that great. but he became the "voice of a generation" because of his subject matter, timing and the social issues going on at the time.
 
2012-04-29 11:36:21 AM
In response, Dylan was quoted as saying "Bssfwisszle met beammabam yeeaaah!"
 
2012-04-29 11:40:27 AM
If you like Dylan I highly recommend you get ahold of some of those bootlegs where Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers are his backing band. 1986-1987 period. Amazing stuff.

And that no-talent hag Joni Mitchell can go suck one of the imaginary fibers she thinks is coming out of her skin.
 
2012-04-29 11:42:41 AM

She comes in colors everywhere: tlchwi02: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, I don't wanna shiat on the thread, so let's just say I don't get the hype.

yeah, bob dylan is one of those things where his actual music is crap, but if you were alive during the specific time and events when he was making it, the links and memories it evokes makes up for it.

If you can't understand that he made modern pop and rock possible (along with the Beatles, which he also influenced heavily), then I can't help you.

 
2012-04-29 11:44:46 AM
If you have about 7 minutes, his poem "Last Thoughts On Woody Guthrie" is jaw-dropping.
 
2012-04-29 11:44:49 AM
Asked for a reaction, Dylan commented "Wggghmmf. Muh doobie hurr lupsack".
 
2012-04-29 11:46:45 AM

She comes in colors everywhere: tlchwi02: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, I don't wanna shiat on the thread, so let's just say I don't get the hype.

yeah, bob dylan is one of those things where his actual music is crap, but if you were alive during the specific time and events when he was making it, the links and memories it evokes makes up for it.

If you can't understand that he made modern pop and rock possible (along with the Beatles, which he also influenced heavily), then I can't help you.


I'm pretty sure that modern pop and rock music would have been more then possible with the absence of a one folk singer.
 
2012-04-29 11:51:47 AM

tlchwi02: She comes in colors everywhere: If you can't understand that he made modern pop and rock possible (along with the Beatles, which he also influenced heavily), then I can't help you.

I look at Dylan the same way i look at marilyn monroe or james dean. Monroe wasn't particularly talented, and Dean wasn't in enough movies to judge but they embodied some facet of the culture that transcended their personal abilities. when you compare monroe to her contemporaries, she is at best a mediocre actress but she managed to be THE ideal of sexy in her timeframe. And people are still all about her (and seriously, can you name any of the oscar winning women from the years she was working? i can't) Same thing with Dean- he managed to become THE ideal of cool for a whole generation, but he was only really in a handful of movies before his death.

dylan is like that for me. his actual music playing and singing isn't all that great. but he became the "voice of a generation" because of his subject matter, timing and the social issues going on at the time.


LewDux: She comes in colors everywhere: tlchwi02: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, I don't wanna shiat on the thread, so let's just say I don't get the hype.

yeah, bob dylan is one of those things where his actual music is crap, but if you were alive during the specific time and events when he was making it, the links and memories it evokes makes up for it.

If you can't understand that he made modern pop and rock possible (along with the Beatles, which he also influenced heavily), then I can't help you.


Abe Vigoda's Ghost: She comes in colors everywhere: tlchwi02: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, I don't wanna shiat on the thread, so let's just say I don't get the hype.

yeah, bob dylan is one of those things where his actual music is crap, but if you were alive during the specific time and events when he was making it, the links and memories it evokes makes up for it.

If you can't understand that he made modern pop and rock possible (along with the Beatles, which he also influenced heavily), then I can't help you.

I'm pretty sure that modern pop and rock music would have been more then possible with the absence of a one folk singer.


I can't help you.
 
2012-04-29 11:55:16 AM

She comes in colors everywhere: I can't help you.


it helps that you aren't even trying.

Step 1: make hyperbolic statement
step 2: wait for others to justify their positions
step 3: claim its impossible to justify your position
step 4: bask in succesful troll light
 
2012-04-29 12:01:42 PM
But the "secret" file Hoover put together on him is still there in the special FBI hidey hole.
 
2012-04-29 12:09:32 PM

tlchwi02: Step 1: make hyperbolic statement


there is NO WAY that

he made modern pop and rock possible (along with the Beatles, which he also influenced heavily)

is a hyperbolic statement.

You might not like Dylan, you may hate his music, or his voice, or his poetry, or all three, and that's valid. But you have to respect the contribution he made to the formation of the modern pop and rock idiom.

His peers certainly did, and everybody clamored to record his songs. The important ones, anyway. Partly what made them still important is the fact that they did his songs. Circular? Maybe. But that's the influence this man had.

Find me a modern musician who doesn't respect what Dylan did for pop and rock.

Someone else might have done this later, but we wouldn't have had the later Beatles, or most of sixties rock, or anything influenced by them. Musical history would be vastly different.

Dylan changed the game. That's simple history.
 
2012-04-29 12:14:32 PM

She comes in colors everywhere: Dylan changed the game. That's simple history.


Bob Dylan stole my George Foreman Jumbo Indoor Grill.

The bastard!
 
2012-04-29 12:14:45 PM

She comes in colors everywhere: there is NO WAY that

he made modern pop and rock possible (along with the Beatles, which he also influenced heavily)

is a hyperbolic statement.


if you can't see how much of a hyperbolic statement that is, then i can't help you.
 
2012-04-29 12:17:30 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Eh, I don't wanna shiat on the thread, so let's just say I don't get the hype.


Listen up, if Obama could win the Nobel Peace Prize, then Dylan can sure as hell win this.
 
2012-04-29 12:21:06 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Someone disagrees that he was all that.

Since she was one of his contemporaries, and a respected singer/songwriter, you have to give her opinion some credence.


Barely a contemporay and NOT in his league.
In fact her complaints reek of sour grapes, bitterness and envy.

And this:...
Dylan changed the game. That's simple history.

Exactly.

Go read 'Chronicles'. He truly is nothing more than a 'song and dance man' and a damned fine one at that.
 
2012-04-29 12:22:23 PM
As a general rule, I would say most musician's covering of another artist's work is less than the original, but Bob Dylan isn't the greatest performer. There are several examples where other musicians carried Dylan's work to better places. However, he is so prolific and his talent is so powerful, he deserves recognition as one of America's greatest artists.

"Forever Young"

May God bless and keep you always
May your wishes all come true
May you always do for others
And let others do for you
May you build a ladder to the stars
And climb on every rung
May you stay forever young
Forever young, forever young
May you stay forever young.

May you grow up to be righteous
May you grow up to be true
May you always know the truth
And see the lights surrounding you
May you always be courageous
Stand upright and be strong
May you stay forever young
Forever young, forever young
May you stay forever young.

May your hands always be busy
May your feet always be swift
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift
May your heart always be joyful
And may your song always be sung
May you stay forever young
Forever young, forever young
May you stay forever young.
 
2012-04-29 12:29:49 PM

tlchwi02: She comes in colors everywhere: I can't help you.

it helps that you aren't even trying.

Step 1: make hyperbolic statement
step 2: wait for others to justify their positions
step 3: claim its impossible to justify your position
step 4: bask in succesful troll light


When someone says, "If you can't understand x, then I can't help you" it usually means, "I have an irrational belief in x, and I'm unable to articulate why." I suspect that's the case here, considering that rock and pop was well underway prior to, and independent of, Bob Dylan.
 
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