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2012-04-29 02:27:37 PM

GoldSpider: SN1987a goes boom: So instead of spending 15 years raising a respectful child, the dad takes 15 minutes to embarrass the kid under the guise of "good parenting". Hope the dad has fun being put in a home in a few years.

What would you with your authoritative experience do instead?


It doesn't matter. Self-righteousness does not require someone to offer a more appropriate remedy, it only requires a keyboard and a certainty that whatever you do with your own children you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-04-29 02:27:40 PM

Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: Why should anyone believe that? And even if it were true, why should anyone care? And even if anyone cared, why should it matter?

Why should it matter? Then why are you spewing vitriol in my direction while playing the compassion angle? Truly, nearly all of your attacks on me have been personal and ad hominem, rather than attacks on the position I have taken.

You are what you despise.


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2012-04-29 02:27:43 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Why should it matter? Then why are you spewing vitriol in my direction while playing the compassion angle? Truly, nearly all of your attacks on me have been personal and ad hominem, rather than attacks on the position I have taken.


Because "what are you going to do about it"?

You are what you despise.

And?
 
2012-04-29 02:28:26 PM
"15-year-old has to wear two-sided sign that reads, 'I have a bad attitude. I disrespect people who try to help me'"

So.. just like 99% of 15 year olds out there huh?

"Oh no I was different at that age"

No you weren't.
 
2012-04-29 02:28:48 PM

Cup_O_Jo: Quandria...hahahahahaha LOVE IT LOL


It's like I'm really reading Youtube comments.
 
2012-04-29 02:28:59 PM

rogue_L_chick: Before my high school years went to hell in a handbasket and I R-U-N-N O-F-T, I was a smart-mouthed little shiat. My parents decided that essays were the way to go. If I exhibited undesireable behavior, it usually came with an ass-whipping and then it was off to my room to write however many pages on what I did, why I did it, what I should have done and what I was going to do next time. Hated it with a passion, but it did force me to think things over and my writing skills ended up pretty decent, for a high school kid.

I do the same to my 12 y/o. More for crap like not doing homework, though...never had a real "disrespet" issue. Then again, I can't think of a time where I actually demanded he respect me...it's just not something I say, really. It used to really frustrate me when my dad screamed at me to "respect" him, when all I could do was stand there and count off in my head all the reasons I didn't.


seriously... i can't think of a single time my father "demanded respect" from me... it was just a given because, well - he was a respectable guy.

My wife's father, on the other hand, who used to beat the shiat out of them for little or no reason, would demand that all the time... and still gets extremely pissed off he feels like he's being "disrespected" by someone.

Well - guess what, asshole - you're not a respectable person and people respond in kind.

A right is something that can't be taken away, not something that's given. And respect sure as hell isn't a right....

sorry. rant
 
2012-04-29 02:29:33 PM

Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: Salt Lick Steady:

Dude, I'm an experienced dog handler and am quite familiar with positive conditioning. However, for some animals this simply does not work. It just doesn't. Some dogs will never understand that they can chew on the stuffed bumble bee but not your leather shoes. No matter how much 'nudging.' For such animals, a bit of negative reinforcement is occasionally necessary.

Or, you take the dog to the vet, give it one little injection, and now you have room in your life for a dog that doesn't act like that.

Yep. Just dope up the dog, rather than incorporating some negative reinforcement. You advocate doping up the child too?


I think euthanization was more likely the outcome of said injection. Probably already been addressed but I like to show off my interpretation skillz.

/just kidd..nah
 
2012-04-29 02:32:24 PM

Pathman: rogue_L_chick: Before my high school years went to hell in a handbasket and I R-U-N-N O-F-T, I was a smart-mouthed little shiat. My parents decided that essays were the way to go. If I exhibited undesireable behavior, it usually came with an ass-whipping and then it was off to my room to write however many pages on what I did, why I did it, what I should have done and what I was going to do next time. Hated it with a passion, but it did force me to think things over and my writing skills ended up pretty decent, for a high school kid.

I do the same to my 12 y/o. More for crap like not doing homework, though...never had a real "disrespet" issue. Then again, I can't think of a time where I actually demanded he respect me...it's just not something I say, really. It used to really frustrate me when my dad screamed at me to "respect" him, when all I could do was stand there and count off in my head all the reasons I didn't.

seriously... i can't think of a single time my father "demanded respect" from me... it was just a given because, well - he was a respectable guy.

My wife's father, on the other hand, who used to beat the shiat out of them for little or no reason, would demand that all the time... and still gets extremely pissed off he feels like he's being "disrespected" by someone.

Well - guess what, asshole - you're not a respectable person and people respond in kind.

A right is something that can't be taken away, not something that's given. And respect sure as hell isn't a right....

sorry. rant


This. People who must "demand" respect almost universally do not deserve it.
 
2012-04-29 02:33:08 PM

Mavent: t's interesting that people who call themselves things like "Eidola" are whining about this girl's name, but it's hardly unique. A simple Google search shows hundreds, if not thousands of people with that name.


Whining? More like making a joke, which obviously you didn't get.
 
2012-04-29 02:33:29 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We're really sick of all the sociopaths


I'm a sociopath for calling you out on your bullshiat? "All the kids I knew who were shamed turned out to be drug addicts!" Then several posts later, "Well, it was only two, and I'm not going to give any details..."

And you excoriate me for insulting someone who asked a stupid question? You are the problem. Not me.
 
2012-04-29 02:34:24 PM
I love these threads. There's always the same cast of characters:

* People without children who should never have them (If I had children you can bet they'd never behave this way, because I know more from being a child than you do from being a parent.)
* People with children who think their kids can do no wrong (I have kids and because I'm a great parent they would never do anything to merit punishment because they're perfect and I'm perfect and don't you dare point out that my kids are why no one wants to fly or shop at the grocery store during the day.)
* People who hate children and those who have them (Stupid breeders, they should all be put somewhere out of sight so my hipster ass doesn't have to be confronted with the fact that some people have children.)
* A few people who recognize that not every child is the same or can be taught the same way and will applaud the attempt of a parent to be responsible even if they're not always successful (these people will always be shouted down by the judgemental nitwits).
* Trolls.
 
2012-04-29 02:35:46 PM

LivefromGA: I think euthanization was more likely the outcome of said injection.


Yeah, sorry, I don't think that way. My girl is a rescue who was a day away from the shot. She's a pain in the ass sometimes, but I love her dearly and really can't imagine life without her.
 
2012-04-29 02:36:27 PM
Cyclometh:
* A few people who recognize that not every child is the same or can be taught the same way and will applaud the attempt of a parent to be responsible even if they're not always successful (these people will always be

Which, after a few months of exposure to everyone else, become:

* Trolls.
 
2012-04-29 02:36:37 PM

Cyclometh: I love these threads. There's always the same cast of characters:

* People without children who should never have them (If I had children you can bet they'd never behave this way, because I know more from being a child than you do from being a parent.)
* People with children who think their kids can do no wrong (I have kids and because I'm a great parent they would never do anything to merit punishment because they're perfect and I'm perfect and don't you dare point out that my kids are why no one wants to fly or shop at the grocery store during the day.)
* People who hate children and those who have them (Stupid breeders, they should all be put somewhere out of sight so my hipster ass doesn't have to be confronted with the fact that some people have children.)
* A few people who recognize that not every child is the same or can be taught the same way and will applaud the attempt of a parent to be responsible even if they're not always successful (these people will always be shouted down by the judgemental nitwits).
* Trolls.


That's a pretty good synopsis. Favorited.
 
2012-04-29 02:37:07 PM

Salt Lick Steady: LivefromGA: I think euthanization was more likely the outcome of said injection.

Yeah, sorry, I don't think that way. My girl is a rescue who was a day away from the shot. She's a pain in the ass sometimes, but I love her dearly and really can't imagine life without her.


Sounds like you need a cop to come shoot your dog.
 
2012-04-29 02:37:15 PM

AliceBToklasLives: I would be deeply concerned if my 15-year-old kid was respectful and had a good attitude. Teenagers are supposed to be annoying as hell.

/nothing wrong with the punishment - you spank a 4-year-old for misbehaving, but you're not surprised the 4-year-old misbehaved. I mean, it's a four-year-old. Same story here.



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2012-04-29 02:40:52 PM

Joshudan: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I pick my battles. Talking back to me isnt one of the things that concerns me.


Yeah, teaching children to be respectful is overrated, and serves no function in helping them integrate into society.

I'm glad you're not obligating them to show respect to anyone.
 
2012-04-29 02:41:55 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We're really sick of all the sociopaths

I'm a sociopath for calling you out on your bullshiat? "All the kids I knew who were shamed turned out to be drug addicts!" Then several posts later, "Well, it was only two, and I'm not going to give any details..."

And you excoriate me for insulting someone who asked a stupid question? You are the problem. Not me.


You keep proving my initial point over and over and over. Thanks.
 
2012-04-29 02:46:05 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We're really sick of all the sociopaths

I'm a sociopath for calling you out on your bullshiat? "All the kids I knew who were shamed turned out to be drug addicts!" Then several posts later, "Well, it was only two, and I'm not going to give any details..."

And you excoriate me for insulting someone who asked a stupid question? You are the problem. Not me.

You keep proving my initial point over and over and over. Thanks.


You mean your initial point that the two people you claimed to have known, without any supporting detail, turned out drug addled and behaviorally challenged? I mean truly, I know it hurts to be so shamed by making a stupid statement, but claiming that I am a malfunctioning individual despite my accomplishments is just desperate.
 
2012-04-29 02:46:24 PM
According to another article on the incident, Quandria's crime was sympathizing with the Geth.
 
2012-04-29 02:46:35 PM

Liberal_With_a_Gun: Why is it always the people who talk about how much they were beaten/shamed as punishment and "they turned out fine?" who, uh...didn't.


I don't know but I know I sure as hell didn't turn out anywhere close to normal or "fine" because of the terrible way my father was and I know this. The only reason I know taking their shiat away works is because my mom did it and it works. She was never into the shaming thing like tfa but she did like to let me know whenever she felt disappointed in me if I acted like an asshole. She's never demanded my respect but she certainly has it massive quantities.
 
2012-04-29 02:49:46 PM

born_yesterday: Joshudan: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I pick my battles. Talking back to me isnt one of the things that concerns me.

Yeah, teaching children to be respectful is overrated, and serves no function in helping them integrate into society.

I'm glad you're not obligating them to show respect to anyone.


No one is ever "obligated" to show respect to anyone unless there is a power disparity involved.

You do not "respect" people. You respect power. This "respecting people" horseshiat is the same sort of feel-good hippy farkball that gives us all this "workers' rights" and "gay rights" and "womens' rights" and "children's rights" BS. The REAL WORLD is a hierarchy, where strong powerful men get what they want and pussies suck shiat and pretend to like it. Their tears make real men harder when they fark them up the ass for being too weak to stop them.
 
2012-04-29 02:50:12 PM

Somacandra: Should've had a sign that said "I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and big butt and my butt smells and I like to kiss my own butt."


That would indeed have been Moe effective.

/oh god I'm so sorry
 
2012-04-29 02:50:27 PM
She is going to kill herself within the week.
 
2012-04-29 02:52:55 PM

fisker: She is going to kill herself within the week.


Mission accomplished, then?
 
2012-04-29 02:54:26 PM

ialdabaoth: born_yesterday: Joshudan: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I pick my battles. Talking back to me isnt one of the things that concerns me.

Yeah, teaching children to be respectful is overrated, and serves no function in helping them integrate into society.

I'm glad you're not obligating them to show respect to anyone.

No one is ever "obligated" to show respect to anyone unless there is a power disparity involved.

You do not "respect" people. You respect power. This "respecting people" horseshiat is the same sort of feel-good hippy farkball that gives us all this "workers' rights" and "gay rights" and "womens' rights" and "children's rights" BS. The REAL WORLD is a hierarchy, where strong powerful men get what they want and pussies suck shiat and pretend to like it. Their tears make real men harder when they fark them up the ass for being too weak to stop them.


Your healthy, positive world view is an inspiration to us all, ialdabaoth!

Personally, I'm going to have an extra kid, probably the first one. Man, when they screw up, I'm gonna gather all the other kids together and make them watch me just beat that bastard until they're shiatting out teeth for a month like some demented advent calendar. So what if I lose that one making a point, the other kids will be so well behaved they'll make the Amish look like Black Sabbath.
 
2012-04-29 02:58:36 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We're really sick of all the sociopaths

I'm a sociopath for calling you out on your bullshiat? "All the kids I knew who were shamed turned out to be drug addicts!" Then several posts later, "Well, it was only two, and I'm not going to give any details..."

And you excoriate me for insulting someone who asked a stupid question? You are the problem. Not me.

You keep proving my initial point over and over and over. Thanks.

You mean your initial point that the two people you claimed to have known, without any supporting detail, turned out drug addled and behaviorally challenged? I mean truly, I know it hurts to be so shamed by making a stupid statement, but claiming that I am a malfunctioning individual despite my accomplishments is just desperate.


I said 2 people sarcastically. Either way, its just an anecdotal observation and certainly not a clinical statistic.

And I don't know if your Fark persona is schtick, but it comes off as very hostile, overly defensive, and juvenile. And you're a lawyer, congratulations. One of my best friends graduated cum laude from Georgetown, but he decided to start a punk label instead of practicing, so let's just say having your JD isn't something I consider to be a significant accomplishment.

Either way, its been an interesting exchange, best of luck to you.
 
2012-04-29 02:59:33 PM

ialdabaoth: What's so goddamn special about being 'human'?


In your case, not a lot.
 
2012-04-29 02:59:40 PM

Cyclometh: I love these threads. There's always the same cast of characters:

* People without children who should never have them (If I had children you can bet they'd never behave this way, because I know more from being a child than you do from being a parent.)
* People with children who think their kids can do no wrong (I have kids and because I'm a great parent they would never do anything to merit punishment because they're perfect and I'm perfect and don't you dare point out that my kids are why no one wants to fly or shop at the grocery store during the day.)
* People who hate children and those who have them (Stupid breeders, they should all be put somewhere out of sight so my hipster ass doesn't have to be confronted with the fact that some people have children.)
* A few people who recognize that not every child is the same or can be taught the same way and will applaud the attempt of a parent to be responsible even if they're not always successful (these people will always be shouted down by the judgemental nitwits).
* Trolls.


you forgot one:

*posts such as this one that make these threads lots of fun to read
 
2012-04-29 02:59:51 PM

born_yesterday: ialdabaoth:

You do not "respect" people. You respect power. This "respecting people" horseshiat is the same sort of feel-good hippy farkball that gives us all this "workers' rights" and "gay rights" and "womens' rights" and "children's rights" BS. The REAL WORLD is a hierarchy, where strong powerful men get what they want and pussies suck shiat and pretend to like it. Their tears make real men harder when they fark them up the ass for being too weak to stop them.

Your healthy, positive world view is an inspiration to us all, ialdabaoth!


I never said anything about "healthy" or "positive". This is what you get. You fark up your culture enough, these are the consequences. You can't turn around now and say "oh, no, we never wanted this!" fark it. You broke it, you farking bought it.

Personally, I'm going to have an extra kid, probably the first one. Man, when they screw up, I'm gonna gather all the other kids together and make them watch me just beat that bastard until they're shiatting out teeth for a month like some demented advent calendar. So what if I lose that one making a point, the other kids will be so well behaved they'll make the Amish look like Black Sabbath.

That's actually a reasonably well-documented strategy. It's the whole "A Boy Named 'It'" schtick. It happens all the time, actually - you wind up with a family where, for some inexplicable reason, everyone but one kid is treated moderately passably, and are encouraged to just devastate that one kid in some weird family game of "smear the queer" that never stops.

Most of the time everyone but the 'queer' turn out reasonably okay, and understand power dynamics and proper authoritarian behavior a hell of a lot better than any of us do.
 
2012-04-29 03:00:53 PM

Mavent: ialdabaoth: What's so goddamn special about being 'human'?

In your case, not a lot.


Exactly. But since you can't come beat the shiat out of me, we both get to play 'internet tough guy' at each other until we feel better about it.

Isn't technology wonderful?
 
2012-04-29 03:02:22 PM

Cyclometh: * Trolls.



i.telegraph.co.uk
/obskur?
 
2012-04-29 03:03:11 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: She should make her own sign that reads:
MY PARENTS NAMED ME QUANDRIA!
YOU'RE DAMNED RIGHT I HAVE A BAD ATTITUDE!


That.

There are more ways to fark up your kids, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your Fark posts.

I came from a "perfectly normal" middle-class background and became a drug-addled prostitute--OK, just a drug-addled promiscuous drunk bum. You may be saying to yourself, "But, cryinoutloud, it must not have been so normal."

Of course it wasn't. But if you guys think that every form of abuse is obvious and readily observable, I have some child psychology books to sell you. Because THOSE are legit.
 
2012-04-29 03:03:35 PM

ialdabaoth: Mavent: ialdabaoth: What's so goddamn special about being 'human'?

In your case, not a lot.

Exactly. But since you can't come beat the shiat out of me, we both get to play 'internet tough guy' at each other until we feel better about it.

Isn't technology wonderful?


The simple fact is that you're suffering from a bad case of "I'm intellectually 12 years old, and I'm here to show you all how indifferent I am to everything-itis." But worse than that, you're a boring little douchebag. You can't even come up with anything originally stupid to say, so you just spout the same old tired idiocy that every useless dickbag before you has said.
 
2012-04-29 03:05:01 PM
> The simple fact is that you're suffering from a bad case of "I'm intellectually 12 years old, and I'm here to show you all how indifferent I am to everything-itis." But worse than that, you're a boring little douchebag. You can't even come up with anything originally stupid to say, so you just spout the same old tired idiocy that every useless dickbag before you has said.

This is precisely true. This is more precisely true than you can possibly imagine.
 
2012-04-29 03:05:26 PM
1 The father was interviewed
2 The video of the story is on the site as well
3 It is a TV station not a newspaper
4 How else can you punish a teenager that won't listen and talks back with out ending up in jail
 
2012-04-29 03:05:28 PM

ialdabaoth: The REAL WORLD is a hierarchy, where strong powerful men get what they want and pussies suck shiat and pretend to like it.


Exhibit #1.
 
2012-04-29 03:05:41 PM

ialdabaoth: Most of the time everyone but the 'queer' turn out reasonably okay, and understand power dynamics and proper authoritarian behavior a hell of a lot better than any of us do.


What if the whole situation is reversed though? Only the bastard beating everyone comes out reasonably sane and everyone else in the family understands what a totalitarian dictatorship is like better than alot of people?
 
2012-04-29 03:06:17 PM

Mavent: ialdabaoth: The REAL WORLD is a hierarchy, where strong powerful men get what they want and pussies suck shiat and pretend to like it.

Exhibit #1.


Ding!
 
2012-04-29 03:07:26 PM

A Terrible Human: ialdabaoth: Most of the time everyone but the 'queer' turn out reasonably okay, and understand power dynamics and proper authoritarian behavior a hell of a lot better than any of us do.

What if the whole situation is reversed though? Only the bastard beating everyone comes out reasonably sane and everyone else in the family understands what a totalitarian dictatorship is like better than alot of people?


That's... what I just said?

"Totalitarian dictatorship", "proper authoritarian behavior"... 'tomayto', 'tomahto'.
 
2012-04-29 03:10:27 PM

ialdabaoth: That's... what I just said?

"Totalitarian dictatorship", "proper authoritarian behavior"... 'tomayto', 'tomahto'.



Meh I'm tired but I'm more read your post as one person in the family taking all the shiat instead of everyone but one person getting it because that one person is dishing it out.
 
2012-04-29 03:13:17 PM
I want off of this planet.

At least the parent(s) here are trying something. Anything short of physical violence. And I don't mean spanking. Misspelled sign, funny name, whatever, somebody is trying something to make this kid a better person. Everyone else biatching about it does not live in that house under those rules and has no say. So spare me.
 
2012-04-29 03:14:21 PM
Squashed her peer group interface dynamics like a bug.
Need more parents like this, at least he didn't beat her like a rented mule.
 
2012-04-29 03:14:27 PM
Meh I'm tired but I'm more read your post as one person in the family taking all the shiat instead of everyone but one person getting it because that one person is dishing it out.

Both are possible scenarios, and both happen with alarming regularity.
 
2012-04-29 03:14:36 PM

ialdabaoth: fisker: She is going to kill herself within the week.

Mission accomplished, then?


How's your wife and my kids?
 
2012-04-29 03:14:48 PM

A Terrible Human: ialdabaoth: That's... what I just said?

"Totalitarian dictatorship", "proper authoritarian behavior"... 'tomayto', 'tomahto'.


Meh I'm tired but I'm more read your post as one person in the family taking all the shiat instead of everyone but one person getting it because that one person is dishing it out.


Although the effects are a bit dated, I'd highly recommend the movie The Shining for its commentary on effective parenting. It really highlights the benefits of running a family without compromising one's own needs, and getting respect while doing it.
 
2012-04-29 03:16:05 PM

fisker: ialdabaoth: fisker: She is going to kill herself within the week.

Mission accomplished, then?

How's your wife and my kids?


I never married.
 
2012-04-29 03:17:34 PM

ialdabaoth: Both are possible scenarios, and both happen with alarming regularity.


Yeah I know and it's a shiatty way to grow up.

born_yesterday: Although the effects are a bit dated, I'd highly recommend the movie The Shining for its commentary on effective parenting. It really highlights the benefits of running a family without compromising one's own needs, and getting respect while doing it.


Pfft the book is better. He beats his own face in with a mallet,then the hotel explodes and also the cool telepathic cook doesn't get an axe in the back.
 
2012-04-29 03:18:13 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: And I don't know if your Fark persona is schtick, but it comes off as very hostile, overly defensive, and juvenile. And you're a lawyer, congratulations. One of my best friends graduated cum laude from Georgetown, but he decided to start a punk label instead of practicing, so let's just say having your JD isn't something I consider to be a significant accomplishment.

Either way, its been an interesting exchange, best of luck to you.


You really don't see yourself, do you? You call me sociopathic and several other names, you exclaim how you don't think my degree is much of an accomplishment, and you call me juvenile. Then you finish it with a disingenuous "best of luck." Look in the mirror.
 
2012-04-29 03:19:56 PM

PainfulItching: I want off of this planet.

At least the parent(s) here are trying something. Anything short of physical violence. And I don't mean spanking. Misspelled sign, funny name, whatever, somebody is trying something to make this kid a better person. Everyone else biatching about it does not live in that house under those rules and has no say. So spare me.


We DO have a say, because these horribly ineffective parents are releasing their children on society as a whole, and they end in the court system, in prison, on treatment centers, on welfare, etc... at a huge cost to working adults.
 
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