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2012-04-29 12:26:58 PM
Told myself, "Please be something other than a black kid!"

Clicked link.

When will I be proved wrong about these things?
 
2012-04-29 12:27:43 PM
Fooshards: 34 posts and noone has mentioned that she (or the father) SPELLED THE SIGN WRONG?

That's a girl's handwriting.
 
2012-04-29 12:27:47 PM
cookiefleck: I'm starting to believe I'm the only child raised in the 80's/90's that got a swift painful ass smack whenever I got "fresh"

Oh, no. You're definitely not the only one. I also got the soap in the mouth thing, but mine came with a twist: my mom used SoftSoap to make it extra memorable. It worked.
 
2012-04-29 12:28:16 PM
Somacandra:
I'm inclined to think if there isn't at least some resentment against your parents for disciplining you, you probably aren't successfully socialized. You need your resentment as proof of your agency and willpower, and you also need your discipline to know when it needs to be controlled and harnessed. Virtue is a often a mean between two extremes of vice and people need training to condition the conscience to act toward the mean in the absence of immediate external authorities. Resentment against your parents is not evidence per se of bad parenting.



whatever. my dad was a HUGE idiot when i was 15. now he's one of my best friends. it's amazing how much he has learned and grown in the past 15 years. it's like he's a new man entirely.
 
2012-04-29 12:29:08 PM
doglover: Frederick: I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation.

Modern people have more or less lost their masculine side, so it's not surprising. Just sad.


Says you. Why in the world would we use a technique that's been proven to work for the entirety of human history? It might hurt someone's feelings.
 
2012-04-29 12:29:16 PM
devildog123: mhuckins: I love these stories!

In my day, one simply got the belt for backtalk.

Public humiliation seems like an okay alternative!

This.

If I had ever gotten suspended, I would have expected an ass kicking when I got home. And probably deserved it.


I got blamed for, and suspended for something I didn't do in middle school. Some black girl's clothes were stolen from her PE locker and put into the sink or something. She thought it was me because I had been making rude comments about her (she stuffed her bra and her ass, it was hilarious).

My ma knew it wasn't me, and argued on my behalf, but I was still suspended.

What was my punishment? Twelve hours of yard work, some of it in the rain.

If my ma was going to punish me for being suspended when she thought the suspension was unjust, I wasn't about to find out what she had in store if I had actually farked up.
 
2012-04-29 12:29:39 PM
buillocks. nothing was learned here as the girl was able to hide her face, thus hiding her shame. and she did not adopt her attitude overnight, it was a long process that was allowed to accumulate.

that said, i say 'hat's off!' to all parents who are able to raise children well. i cannot even imagine the energy, patience, love and heartbreak it takes to get through it all. children are horrible people and i loathe them deeply. i was a horrible child myself once so i know of what i speak.
 
2012-04-29 12:29:59 PM
Public humiliation is not a good form of punishment--there's a reason we did away with the stocks. Plus, giving the public a way to persecute people easily is generally a terrible idea. I can virtually guarantee you that this girl merely resents the school and her father even more for making her do this, rather than teaching her a lesson.
 
2012-04-29 12:31:44 PM
Pathman: Somacandra:
I'm inclined to think if there isn't at least some resentment against your parents for disciplining you, you probably aren't successfully socialized. You need your resentment as proof of your agency and willpower, and you also need your discipline to know when it needs to be controlled and harnessed. Virtue is a often a mean between two extremes of vice and people need training to condition the conscience to act toward the mean in the absence of immediate external authorities. Resentment against your parents is not evidence per se of bad parenting.


whatever. my dad was a HUGE idiot when i was 15. now he's one of my best friends. it's amazing how much he has learned and grown in the past 15 years. it's like he's a new man entirely.


My father continually told me as I was growing up: "The older you get, the smarter I'll get."

/He was right
 
2012-04-29 12:32:14 PM
Q: Your kid is acting like a jerk... what do?

A: Act like a bigger jerk. That'll teach her!
 
2012-04-29 12:34:53 PM
KrispyKritter: buillocks. nothing was learned here as the girl was able to hide her face, thus hiding her shame. and she did not adopt her attitude overnight, it was a long process that was allowed to accumulate.

that said, i say 'hat's off!' to all parents who are able to raise children well. i cannot even imagine the energy, patience, love and heartbreak it takes to get through it all. children are horrible people and i loathe them deeply. i was a horrible child myself once so i know of what i speak.


Thing is, every parent thinks they're great at parenting.
 
2012-04-29 12:35:06 PM
The My Little Pony Killer: Frederick: The reporter could have included in the article what the actual offense was....

Yeah, but then they'd have to talk to her parents and ask questions. Reporters can't be bothered to do that these days, gotta get the stories out and printed for the page clicks, dontchaknow.


Plus that would interfere with people's right to be outraged
 
2012-04-29 12:35:22 PM
Somacandra: LeroyBourne: they won't resent you much for that in the long-term

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I'm inclined to think if there isn't at least some resentment against your parents for disciplining you, you probably aren't successfully socialized. You need your resentment as proof of your agency and willpower, and you also need your discipline to know when it needs to be controlled and harnessed. Virtue is a often a mean between two extremes of vice and people need training to condition the conscience to act toward the mean in the absence of immediate external authorities. Resentment against your parents is not evidence per se of bad parenting.


Ohhh, if only that man lived today in the internet age. This girl is going to go home, and see all her friends tweeting about seeing her, posting fb messages, and if anyone of those kids wants to use her experience as a weapon (but hey, kids aren't cruel) will no doubtfully do so. I feel bad for this girl. She has grown up feeling so entitled, and may be so shallow her only go to emotion will be resenting her parents. But hey, TFA says she wants to 'get better,' so maybe it worked.
 
2012-04-29 12:36:55 PM
Everybody needs a dose of humility in life, and this incident just may keep this kid out of jail. Get it while you're young, and a little humility and respect goes a long way.

Maybe Dad's trying to atone for allowing his wife to be creative in the baby's name. Better late than never.
 
2012-04-29 12:37:24 PM
Wait, a black kid has a father?
 
2012-04-29 12:38:38 PM
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2012-04-29 12:39:04 PM
austerity101: Public humiliation is not a good form of punishment--there's a reason we did away with the stocks. Plus, giving the public a way to persecute people easily is generally a terrible idea. I can virtually guarantee you that this girl merely resents the school and her father even more for making her do this, rather than teaching her a lesson.

I don't think it's about giving the public a way to persecute people. It's more about teaching a 15 year old what is and is not appropriate behavior both in public and at home. There's nothing wrong with feeling shame if you've done something wrong. The problem starts when you don't feel shame after you've done something wrong.
 
2012-04-29 12:39:23 PM
Joshudan: "my parents failed me and all I got was this stupid sign"

My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly. The parents will get over it.


Uhmmm yeah, my ass would have been beaten over that kind of behavior. There's a reason I had no problems with the verbal discipline when I went to BCT; honestly they weren't any worse than my mom.

Squat thrusts on the other hand, still make my shin muscles hurt when I think about them...
 
2012-04-29 12:39:49 PM
Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.
 
2012-04-29 12:40:25 PM
Frederick: The My Little Pony Killer: There aren't enough parents who take this route, imo.

Idk...

I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation. I wouldnt do that with my children -not that I'd need to.

The reporter could have included in the article what the actual offense was....


Actually, they could have told us what the other side of the sign read. Why tell us that it is two sided and then almost go out of the way to make sure we don't find out?
 
2012-04-29 12:44:37 PM
Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?
 
2012-04-29 12:45:42 PM
Getting a big kick reading what people say about her name, and then I read their screen name.

1.bp.blogspot.com


/ oh wait, never mind
// what a stupid name
 
2012-04-29 12:45:56 PM
tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.



Wow, that's a nice spin. 9/10.
 
2012-04-29 12:46:16 PM
Stinkyy: Ok, great, but what if the girl didn't obey her father? Nothing he could do. Wonder what got her to comply with the punishment.

Her name is Quandria, and you think her father is still around?
 
2012-04-29 12:47:21 PM
Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?


my parents are liberal europeans and they would have (and did) beat my ass for saying something like that to them...

/ymmv...not judging
 
2012-04-29 12:47:55 PM
Nice to see the farkers back up their tough talk against wild kids with no discipline from their parents...

This guy is teaching his daughter that acting in a disrespectful way doesn't get you positive attention. Good show dad.
 
2012-04-29 12:49:32 PM
They should have waited till July and then forced her to do it in the hot sun till she drops from heat exhaustion. Then beat her senseless.Then throw her in prison where she's molested. That way she can be a serial killer.
 
2012-04-29 12:49:44 PM
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She has nice handwriting, though, which is pretty amazing in today's text-and-keyboard world.
 
2012-04-29 12:49:57 PM
tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.


Oh, spare me. This is the kind of bullshiat that has led to out-of-control children, and by extension out-of-control adults. If it's not one thing it's another. Nonono, mustn't punish her, Dad, because she's a woman and you have to be considerate of her feelings. Never mind that when she gets out on her own she's going to get absolutely biatch-slapped by reality. No, it's better that it all comes as a total shock after a childhood of being treated with kid gloves.

Setting a child up for life failure by sheltering them is abuse. Teaching them a lesson in a memorable way with little pain while they're young is much more humane.
 
2012-04-29 12:50:44 PM
She should be forced to read these comments, to get a dose of her own disrepectful ways.

"They're making fun of my NAME!!!"
 
2012-04-29 12:50:47 PM
tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.


Do you know how I know you don't work around kids?

Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.
 
2012-04-29 12:51:13 PM
Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?


If anything, him not doing anything about it will teach the kid that it's okay to back talk to all authority figures... I mean, if the most important authority figure in the kids life ain't gonna do sh*t when he smarts off, nobody else will, right?
 
2012-04-29 12:52:04 PM
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Came here looking for two things; that was one of them.

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2012-04-29 12:52:05 PM
CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.



I somewhat disagree. While charity work is always a good teaching tool for kids, shaming or embarrassing kids is no longer seen the same way.

Kids are now "public figures". Meaning they want to be "seen" by everyone. It's mandatory to have a Facebook account and publish every moment of your life on it. It's important to text everyone possible to let them know everything going on that day... every thought.... every idea... every criticism of everything.... Since they have to be public to be popular, that is the only way to affect them and get the point across.

Protecting the snowflakes only goes so far. Ignoring bad behavior because of the fear of shaming them will not work. If you make them look bad or stupid to their "circle", they will quickly act to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I find it sad that so many kids are shallow these days.... only concerned about their status to other people. The best thing parents can teach them is to be independent and stop trying to impress others.
 
2012-04-29 12:52:12 PM
Patterson: Nice to see the farkers back up their tough talk against wild kids with no discipline from their parents...

This guy is teaching his daughter that acting in a disrespectful way doesn't get you positive attention. Good show dad.


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2012-04-29 12:52:34 PM
Adolf Oliver Nipples: cookiefleck: I'm starting to believe I'm the only child raised in the 80's/90's that got a swift painful ass smack whenever I got "fresh"

Oh, no. You're definitely not the only one. I also got the soap in the mouth thing, but mine came with a twist: my mom used SoftSoap to make it extra memorable. It worked.


My mother used to put Tabasco in my mouth to punish me. Lots of it. Promised me a glass of milk when I "learned my lesson". Later did my rounds in the foster system after my mother was put in jail over arson. The nice, clean, households tried to "shame" me endlessly like this. Now I have no shame, and am a burlesque dancer.

/Like a stripper, only I get more naked and don't get paid.
//Sorry, treating teenagers like animals only makes them more so willfully.
//Not your precious snowflakes anymore, are they?
 
2012-04-29 12:53:00 PM
cookiefleck: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

If anything, him not doing anything about it will teach the kid that it's okay to back talk to all authority figures... I mean, if the most important authority figure in the kids life ain't gonna do sh*t when he smarts off, nobody else will, right?


yep - even if it's not what most of us would have done, at least he's doing something... that right there is better than what seems to be a massive generation of absentee parenting.
 
2012-04-29 12:53:31 PM
Patterson: Nice to see the farkers back up their tough talk against wild kids with no discipline from their parents...

This guy is teaching his daughter that acting in a disrespectful way doesn't get you positive attention. Good show dad.


This. Shame is an extraordinarily effective motivator. Things that aren't effective: jail and out-of-school suspensions.
 
2012-04-29 12:55:06 PM
BronyMedic: tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.

Do you know how I know you don't work around kids?

Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.


Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.
 
2012-04-29 12:55:28 PM
BronyMedic: Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.

This + taking whatever objects they most value seems to be the most effective thing. You don't have to beat your children,just take their stuff. My mom was the master of that shiat. Refuse to clean your room? Fine then she'll do it and you can watch the bonfire afterwards. It only takes doing this once or twice to get the farking point across.
 
2012-04-29 12:55:31 PM
Sounds like a job for George Zimmerman! He'll get her attitude straight, even if it kills her.
 
2012-04-29 12:57:41 PM
I see a Quandria with that sign.

Seriously, what a farking idiot. I'm gonna put my daughter in the street and spell disrespect wrong. Obviously that parent didn't do too well in in school either .
 
2012-04-29 12:58:54 PM
serial_crusher: Frederick: I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation. I wouldnt do that with my children -not that I'd need to.

Yeah, if you want to teach kids to be thankful when people do nice things for them, you need to put them in a situation where they're being nice to somebody who acts like a dick about it. Thinking back to my own childhood experiences, making her serve food at a Moose Lodge would fit the bill nicely.

/ Those farking old people. Look, it's just my job to hand out the pudding. I can't help that they ran out of chocolate. Get over it.


You just don't fark with pudding day.
 
2012-04-29 12:58:58 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BronyMedic: tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.

Do you know how I know you don't work around kids?

Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.

Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.


Did every single kid also end up makign sweeping bullshiat generalizations because they're deathly afraid of being embarrassed? Sorry, snowflake, if you can't handle reality.

/I mean that sincerely
//Perhaps you should get help for your manifest insecurities
 
2012-04-29 01:00:06 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues.

Chicken v egg, causation v correlation, anecdotal evidence, yeah. That's a winning post.
 
2012-04-29 01:00:27 PM
NightOwl2255: Sounds like a job for George Zimmerman! He'll get her attitude straight, even if it kills her.

Good god, the daily, 1000+ post Zimmermang threads aren't enough to satiate you? You're psychotic.
 
2012-04-29 01:01:14 PM
Carousel Beast: Did every single kid also end up makign sweeping bullshiat generalizations because they're deathly afraid of being embarrassed? Sorry, snowflake, if you can't handle reality.

/I mean that sincerely
//Perhaps you should get help for your manifest insecurities


Tiny fist!
 
2012-04-29 01:01:45 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.

just to play devil's advocate - that could be just a correlation as opposed to causation. eg the kind of kids that needed this kind of public shaming were headed that route anyway.

or perhaps the kind of parents that are willing to do horrible things to their kids would probably correlate highly with the kinds of parents willing to publicly shame their kids.
Doesn't mean there's any sort of causative link between public humiliation and "ending up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues"
 
2012-04-29 01:01:46 PM
Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues.

Chicken v egg, causation v correlation, anecdotal evidence, yeah. That's a winning post.


Eh, I'm sure its all a coincidence.
 
2012-04-29 01:02:51 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: NightOwl2255: Sounds like a job for George Zimmerman! He'll get her attitude straight, even if it kills her.

Good god, the daily, 1000+ post Zimmermang threads aren't enough to satiate you? You're psychotic.


seriously - nightowl, gtfo
 
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