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(WCTI 12 New Bern)   15-year-old has to wear two-sided sign that reads, "I have a bad attitude. I disrespect people who try to help me"   ( wcti12.com) divider line
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2012-04-29 03:31:29 AM  
There aren't enough parents who take this route, imo.
 
2012-04-29 04:27:43 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: There aren't enough parents who take this route, imo.


Idk...

I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation. I wouldnt do that with my children -not that I'd need to.

The reporter could have included in the article what the actual offense was....
 
2012-04-29 04:47:52 AM  
The parents certainly started her out on the right tone by naming her Quandria.

/many teenagers do have a crappy attitude - not news
 
2012-04-29 09:06:25 AM  

Frederick: I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation. I wouldnt do that with my children -not that I'd need to.


Yeah, if you want to teach kids to be thankful when people do nice things for them, you need to put them in a situation where they're being nice to somebody who acts like a dick about it. Thinking back to my own childhood experiences, making her serve food at a Moose Lodge would fit the bill nicely.

/ Those farking old people. Look, it's just my job to hand out the pudding. I can't help that they ran out of chocolate. Get over it.
 
2012-04-29 09:32:13 AM  
Obviously her parents have been in a Quandria over her behavior.
 
2012-04-29 09:40:46 AM  

Frederick: The reporter could have included in the article what the actual offense was....


FTFA: Quandria, who'd recently been suspended from New Bern High School...
Probably can't talk about the offense for minor privacy/confidentiality stuff.
 
2012-04-29 09:45:38 AM  
Missing 15-year-old story in 3...2...
 
2012-04-29 10:14:15 AM  
Should've had a sign that said "I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and big butt and my butt smells and I like to kiss my own butt."
 
2012-04-29 10:46:54 AM  
Well that's one way to create a drug addicted prostitute.
 
2012-04-29 11:05:35 AM  
She should make her own sign that reads:
MY PARENTS NAMED ME QUANDRIA!
YOU'RE DAMNED RIGHT I HAVE A BAD ATTITUDE!
 
2012-04-29 11:07:01 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: There aren't enough parents who take this route, imo.


I give it a few days until CPS comes to take the child away for the abuse that was inflicted upon her. Remember, everybody knows better than you how to parent your child.
 
2012-04-29 11:20:33 AM  

Frederick: I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation.


Modern people have more or less lost their masculine side, so it's not surprising. Just sad.
 
2012-04-29 11:32:13 AM  
Someone should point out that she was named Quandria.
 
2012-04-29 11:53:08 AM  
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2012-04-29 11:54:12 AM  
Yeah, 15. What else?
 
2012-04-29 11:54:17 AM  

shanrick: Someone should point out that she was named Quandria.


Somebody did - a few posts ago.

Quandria was conceived in the back of an 82 Oldsmobile. The parents were in a Quandria after the police car pulled up. That's how she got the name.
 
2012-04-29 11:56:07 AM  
There is an african proverb. "when you see water flowing up a hill, then an act of kindness is being repaid.
 
2012-04-29 11:58:24 AM  
Not too much different that blowing holes into your daughter's lappy then letting it go viral.
/yay negative reinforcement, they won't resent you much for that in the long-term
 
2012-04-29 12:01:12 PM  

shanrick: Someone should point out that she was named Quandria.


Someone should point out that the sign is misspelled.
 
2012-04-29 12:01:51 PM  
I love these stories!

In my day, one simply got the belt for backtalk.

Public humiliation seems like an okay alternative!
 
2012-04-29 12:02:30 PM  
Quandria
 
2012-04-29 12:04:06 PM  
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2012-04-29 12:04:57 PM  
Ok, great, but what if the girl didn't obey her father? Nothing he could do. Wonder what got her to comply with the punishment.
 
2012-04-29 12:05:19 PM  
Should be done more often, in my opinion. A little public humiliation is good for knocking out unwarrented self-importance in teenagers.

Need more parents smashing laptops and defacing facebook pages, too.
 
2012-04-29 12:06:49 PM  
Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.
 
2012-04-29 12:09:21 PM  
I can barely quantify what a quandary the name Quandria is.

/Quandria sounds like something out of bad fiction. What should I name my protragonist who is always getting into quandaries? Quandria!
 
2012-04-29 12:10:40 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: She should make her own sign that reads:
MY PARENTS NAMED ME QUANDRIA!
YOU'RE DAMNED RIGHT I HAVE A BAD ATTITUDE!


Or perhaps the father should be forced to pace up and down the road with a sign reading, "I named my child Quandria. Honk if you think I'm a dumbass"
 
2012-04-29 12:11:30 PM  

CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.


The kid would biatch and moan and do a half-assed job as quick as possible and learn nothing in the end. But it's a lovely sentiment.
 
2012-04-29 12:11:46 PM  

CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.


Yep, wouldn't want to make these precious snowflakes feel ashamed for acting shamefully. That's an icky emotion that has no place in these infallible youngsters.
 
2012-04-29 12:13:34 PM  

LeroyBourne: they won't resent you much for that in the long-term


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I'm inclined to think if there isn't at least some resentment against your parents for disciplining you, you probably aren't successfully socialized. You need your resentment as proof of your agency and willpower, and you also need your discipline to know when it needs to be controlled and harnessed. Virtue is a often a mean between two extremes of vice and people need training to condition the conscience to act toward the mean in the absence of immediate external authorities. Resentment against your parents is not evidence per se of bad parenting.
 
2012-04-29 12:13:37 PM  
Did they drop her in the middle of NY with a gun taped to her back?
 
2012-04-29 12:13:39 PM  
Biatch, go make me a sammich board.
 
2012-04-29 12:13:55 PM  

cookiefleck: CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.

The kid would biatch and moan and do a half-assed job as quick as possible and learn nothing in the end. But it's a lovely sentiment.


Increase the amount of hours for biatching and moaning, and for half-assed jobbery, but I agree.
 
2012-04-29 12:15:49 PM  
"my parents failed me and all I got was this stupid sign"

My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly. The parents will get over it.
 
2012-04-29 12:17:04 PM  

mhuckins: I love these stories!

In my day, one simply got the belt for backtalk.

Public humiliation seems like an okay alternative!


This.

If I had ever gotten suspended, I would have expected an ass kicking when I got home. And probably deserved it.
 
2012-04-29 12:18:04 PM  

Joshudan: "my parents failed me and all I got was this stupid sign"

My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly. The parents will get over it.


Sounds like your kid is the one needing to "get over it".
 
2012-04-29 12:18:05 PM  
34 posts and noone has mentioned that she (or the father) SPELLED THE SIGN WRONG?
 
2012-04-29 12:19:16 PM  

Somacandra: LeroyBourne: they won't resent you much for that in the long-term

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I'm inclined to think if there isn't at least some resentment against your parents for disciplining you, you probably aren't successfully socialized. You need your resentment as proof of your agency and willpower, and you also need your discipline to know when it needs to be controlled and harnessed. Virtue is a often a mean between two extremes of vice and people need training to condition the conscience to act toward the mean in the absence of immediate external authorities. Resentment against your parents is not evidence per se of bad parenting.


Intelligent commentary on my Fark? It's more likely than you think. (favorited, btw)
 
2012-04-29 12:19:43 PM  
Beating will continue until moral improves.
 
2012-04-29 12:21:12 PM  

Fooshards: 34 posts and noone has mentioned that she (or the father) SPELLED THE SIGN WRONG?


I see some random Capitalisation but don't see any spelling Errors.......oh hang on.......

There's a "c" in "disrespect" isn't there?

/big fail
 
2012-04-29 12:21:48 PM  

Haplo127x: shanrick: Someone should point out that she was named Quandria.

Someone should point out that the sign is misspelled.



No, you shouldn't disrespt her.
 
2012-04-29 12:21:49 PM  
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2012-04-29 12:22:24 PM  

Frederick: The reporter could have included in the article what the actual offense was....


Yeah, but then they'd have to talk to her parents and ask questions. Reporters can't be bothered to do that these days, gotta get the stories out and printed for the page clicks, dontchaknow.
 
2012-04-29 12:23:18 PM  

Frederick: The My Little Pony Killer: There aren't enough parents who take this route, imo.

Idk...

I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation. I wouldnt do that with my children -not that I'd need to.

The reporter could have included in the article what the actual offense was....


i agree with you and i hate to split hairs but that's not what negative reinforcement is.
Negative reinforcement is removing an aversive stimulus in order to reinforce a desired behaviour. A dog doesn't get choked when he walks properly on a leash.
This is more like positive punishment: adding an aversive stimulus to decrease a particular behaviour.

Whatever it's called i don't think i would do this to my kids either. but who knows? the lack of details in the article was definitely irritating...
 
2012-04-29 12:23:18 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The My Little Pony Killer: There aren't enough parents who take this route, imo.

I give it a few days until CPS comes to take the child away for the abuse that was inflicted upon her. Remember, everybody knows better than you how to parent your child.


Yeah, but what's your bet that they'd place her with an even worse household?
 
2012-04-29 12:23:58 PM  

cookiefleck: Joshudan: "my parents failed me and all I got was this stupid sign"

My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly. The parents will get over it.

Sounds like your kid is the one needing to "get over it".


Meh, he's 14. Pretty much every response is disrespectful. As long as it is aimed at us and not teachers/strangers/police officers, whatever.

Suspensions also happen to teenagers. If you aren't getting in trouble in HS you're doing it wrong. How many Fark articles are about school suspensions of teens? 80% are for stupid shiat that all teens do.
 
2012-04-29 12:24:07 PM  

BronyMedic: Should be done more often, in my opinion. A little public humiliation is good for knocking out unwarrented self-importance in teenagers.

Need more parents smashing laptops and defacing facebook pages, too.


THIS. Basic child psychology, people. The shame allows the lesson learned to set in the child's brain.
 
2012-04-29 12:24:29 PM  
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2012-04-29 12:24:55 PM  
I'm starting to believe I'm the only child raised in the 80's/90's that got a swift painful ass smack whenever I got "fresh"
 
2012-04-29 12:25:03 PM  
And it's good training for a career in real estate sign holding.
 
2012-04-29 12:26:58 PM  
Told myself, "Please be something other than a black kid!"

Clicked link.

When will I be proved wrong about these things?
 
2012-04-29 12:27:43 PM  

Fooshards: 34 posts and noone has mentioned that she (or the father) SPELLED THE SIGN WRONG?


That's a girl's handwriting.
 
2012-04-29 12:27:47 PM  

cookiefleck: I'm starting to believe I'm the only child raised in the 80's/90's that got a swift painful ass smack whenever I got "fresh"


Oh, no. You're definitely not the only one. I also got the soap in the mouth thing, but mine came with a twist: my mom used SoftSoap to make it extra memorable. It worked.
 
2012-04-29 12:28:16 PM  

Somacandra:
I'm inclined to think if there isn't at least some resentment against your parents for disciplining you, you probably aren't successfully socialized. You need your resentment as proof of your agency and willpower, and you also need your discipline to know when it needs to be controlled and harnessed. Virtue is a often a mean between two extremes of vice and people need training to condition the conscience to act toward the mean in the absence of immediate external authorities. Resentment against your parents is not evidence per se of bad parenting.



whatever. my dad was a HUGE idiot when i was 15. now he's one of my best friends. it's amazing how much he has learned and grown in the past 15 years. it's like he's a new man entirely.
 
2012-04-29 12:29:08 PM  

doglover: Frederick: I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation.

Modern people have more or less lost their masculine side, so it's not surprising. Just sad.


Says you. Why in the world would we use a technique that's been proven to work for the entirety of human history? It might hurt someone's feelings.
 
2012-04-29 12:29:16 PM  

devildog123: mhuckins: I love these stories!

In my day, one simply got the belt for backtalk.

Public humiliation seems like an okay alternative!

This.

If I had ever gotten suspended, I would have expected an ass kicking when I got home. And probably deserved it.


I got blamed for, and suspended for something I didn't do in middle school. Some black girl's clothes were stolen from her PE locker and put into the sink or something. She thought it was me because I had been making rude comments about her (she stuffed her bra and her ass, it was hilarious).

My ma knew it wasn't me, and argued on my behalf, but I was still suspended.

What was my punishment? Twelve hours of yard work, some of it in the rain.

If my ma was going to punish me for being suspended when she thought the suspension was unjust, I wasn't about to find out what she had in store if I had actually farked up.
 
2012-04-29 12:29:39 PM  
buillocks. nothing was learned here as the girl was able to hide her face, thus hiding her shame. and she did not adopt her attitude overnight, it was a long process that was allowed to accumulate.

that said, i say 'hat's off!' to all parents who are able to raise children well. i cannot even imagine the energy, patience, love and heartbreak it takes to get through it all. children are horrible people and i loathe them deeply. i was a horrible child myself once so i know of what i speak.
 
2012-04-29 12:29:59 PM  
Public humiliation is not a good form of punishment--there's a reason we did away with the stocks. Plus, giving the public a way to persecute people easily is generally a terrible idea. I can virtually guarantee you that this girl merely resents the school and her father even more for making her do this, rather than teaching her a lesson.
 
2012-04-29 12:31:44 PM  

Pathman: Somacandra:
I'm inclined to think if there isn't at least some resentment against your parents for disciplining you, you probably aren't successfully socialized. You need your resentment as proof of your agency and willpower, and you also need your discipline to know when it needs to be controlled and harnessed. Virtue is a often a mean between two extremes of vice and people need training to condition the conscience to act toward the mean in the absence of immediate external authorities. Resentment against your parents is not evidence per se of bad parenting.


whatever. my dad was a HUGE idiot when i was 15. now he's one of my best friends. it's amazing how much he has learned and grown in the past 15 years. it's like he's a new man entirely.


My father continually told me as I was growing up: "The older you get, the smarter I'll get."

/He was right
 
2012-04-29 12:32:14 PM  
Q: Your kid is acting like a jerk... what do?

A: Act like a bigger jerk. That'll teach her!
 
2012-04-29 12:34:53 PM  

KrispyKritter: buillocks. nothing was learned here as the girl was able to hide her face, thus hiding her shame. and she did not adopt her attitude overnight, it was a long process that was allowed to accumulate.

that said, i say 'hat's off!' to all parents who are able to raise children well. i cannot even imagine the energy, patience, love and heartbreak it takes to get through it all. children are horrible people and i loathe them deeply. i was a horrible child myself once so i know of what i speak.


Thing is, every parent thinks they're great at parenting.
 
2012-04-29 12:35:06 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Frederick: The reporter could have included in the article what the actual offense was....

Yeah, but then they'd have to talk to her parents and ask questions. Reporters can't be bothered to do that these days, gotta get the stories out and printed for the page clicks, dontchaknow.


Plus that would interfere with people's right to be outraged
 
2012-04-29 12:35:22 PM  

Somacandra: LeroyBourne: they won't resent you much for that in the long-term

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I'm inclined to think if there isn't at least some resentment against your parents for disciplining you, you probably aren't successfully socialized. You need your resentment as proof of your agency and willpower, and you also need your discipline to know when it needs to be controlled and harnessed. Virtue is a often a mean between two extremes of vice and people need training to condition the conscience to act toward the mean in the absence of immediate external authorities. Resentment against your parents is not evidence per se of bad parenting.


Ohhh, if only that man lived today in the internet age. This girl is going to go home, and see all her friends tweeting about seeing her, posting fb messages, and if anyone of those kids wants to use her experience as a weapon (but hey, kids aren't cruel) will no doubtfully do so. I feel bad for this girl. She has grown up feeling so entitled, and may be so shallow her only go to emotion will be resenting her parents. But hey, TFA says she wants to 'get better,' so maybe it worked.
 
2012-04-29 12:36:55 PM  
Everybody needs a dose of humility in life, and this incident just may keep this kid out of jail. Get it while you're young, and a little humility and respect goes a long way.

Maybe Dad's trying to atone for allowing his wife to be creative in the baby's name. Better late than never.
 
2012-04-29 12:37:24 PM  
Wait, a black kid has a father?
 
2012-04-29 12:38:38 PM  
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2012-04-29 12:39:04 PM  

austerity101: Public humiliation is not a good form of punishment--there's a reason we did away with the stocks. Plus, giving the public a way to persecute people easily is generally a terrible idea. I can virtually guarantee you that this girl merely resents the school and her father even more for making her do this, rather than teaching her a lesson.


I don't think it's about giving the public a way to persecute people. It's more about teaching a 15 year old what is and is not appropriate behavior both in public and at home. There's nothing wrong with feeling shame if you've done something wrong. The problem starts when you don't feel shame after you've done something wrong.
 
2012-04-29 12:39:23 PM  

Joshudan: "my parents failed me and all I got was this stupid sign"

My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly. The parents will get over it.


Uhmmm yeah, my ass would have been beaten over that kind of behavior. There's a reason I had no problems with the verbal discipline when I went to BCT; honestly they weren't any worse than my mom.

Squat thrusts on the other hand, still make my shin muscles hurt when I think about them...
 
2012-04-29 12:39:49 PM  
Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.
 
2012-04-29 12:40:25 PM  

Frederick: The My Little Pony Killer: There aren't enough parents who take this route, imo.

Idk...

I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation. I wouldnt do that with my children -not that I'd need to.

The reporter could have included in the article what the actual offense was....


Actually, they could have told us what the other side of the sign read. Why tell us that it is two sided and then almost go out of the way to make sure we don't find out?
 
2012-04-29 12:44:37 PM  

Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.


Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?
 
2012-04-29 12:45:42 PM  
Getting a big kick reading what people say about her name, and then I read their screen name.

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/ oh wait, never mind
// what a stupid name
 
2012-04-29 12:45:56 PM  

tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.



Wow, that's a nice spin. 9/10.
 
2012-04-29 12:46:16 PM  

Stinkyy: Ok, great, but what if the girl didn't obey her father? Nothing he could do. Wonder what got her to comply with the punishment.


Her name is Quandria, and you think her father is still around?
 
2012-04-29 12:47:21 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?


my parents are liberal europeans and they would have (and did) beat my ass for saying something like that to them...

/ymmv...not judging
 
2012-04-29 12:47:55 PM  
Nice to see the farkers back up their tough talk against wild kids with no discipline from their parents...

This guy is teaching his daughter that acting in a disrespectful way doesn't get you positive attention. Good show dad.
 
2012-04-29 12:49:32 PM  
They should have waited till July and then forced her to do it in the hot sun till she drops from heat exhaustion. Then beat her senseless.Then throw her in prison where she's molested. That way she can be a serial killer.
 
2012-04-29 12:49:44 PM  

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She has nice handwriting, though, which is pretty amazing in today's text-and-keyboard world.
 
2012-04-29 12:49:57 PM  

tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.


Oh, spare me. This is the kind of bullshiat that has led to out-of-control children, and by extension out-of-control adults. If it's not one thing it's another. Nonono, mustn't punish her, Dad, because she's a woman and you have to be considerate of her feelings. Never mind that when she gets out on her own she's going to get absolutely biatch-slapped by reality. No, it's better that it all comes as a total shock after a childhood of being treated with kid gloves.

Setting a child up for life failure by sheltering them is abuse. Teaching them a lesson in a memorable way with little pain while they're young is much more humane.
 
2012-04-29 12:50:44 PM  
She should be forced to read these comments, to get a dose of her own disrepectful ways.

"They're making fun of my NAME!!!"
 
2012-04-29 12:50:47 PM  
tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.


Do you know how I know you don't work around kids?

Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.
 
2012-04-29 12:51:13 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?


If anything, him not doing anything about it will teach the kid that it's okay to back talk to all authority figures... I mean, if the most important authority figure in the kids life ain't gonna do sh*t when he smarts off, nobody else will, right?
 
2012-04-29 12:52:04 PM  

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Came here looking for two things; that was one of them.

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2012-04-29 12:52:05 PM  

CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.


I somewhat disagree. While charity work is always a good teaching tool for kids, shaming or embarrassing kids is no longer seen the same way.

Kids are now "public figures". Meaning they want to be "seen" by everyone. It's mandatory to have a Facebook account and publish every moment of your life on it. It's important to text everyone possible to let them know everything going on that day... every thought.... every idea... every criticism of everything.... Since they have to be public to be popular, that is the only way to affect them and get the point across.

Protecting the snowflakes only goes so far. Ignoring bad behavior because of the fear of shaming them will not work. If you make them look bad or stupid to their "circle", they will quickly act to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I find it sad that so many kids are shallow these days.... only concerned about their status to other people. The best thing parents can teach them is to be independent and stop trying to impress others.
 
2012-04-29 12:52:12 PM  

Patterson: Nice to see the farkers back up their tough talk against wild kids with no discipline from their parents...

This guy is teaching his daughter that acting in a disrespectful way doesn't get you positive attention. Good show dad.


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2012-04-29 12:52:34 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: cookiefleck: I'm starting to believe I'm the only child raised in the 80's/90's that got a swift painful ass smack whenever I got "fresh"

Oh, no. You're definitely not the only one. I also got the soap in the mouth thing, but mine came with a twist: my mom used SoftSoap to make it extra memorable. It worked.


My mother used to put Tabasco in my mouth to punish me. Lots of it. Promised me a glass of milk when I "learned my lesson". Later did my rounds in the foster system after my mother was put in jail over arson. The nice, clean, households tried to "shame" me endlessly like this. Now I have no shame, and am a burlesque dancer.

/Like a stripper, only I get more naked and don't get paid.
//Sorry, treating teenagers like animals only makes them more so willfully.
//Not your precious snowflakes anymore, are they?
 
2012-04-29 12:53:00 PM  

cookiefleck: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

If anything, him not doing anything about it will teach the kid that it's okay to back talk to all authority figures... I mean, if the most important authority figure in the kids life ain't gonna do sh*t when he smarts off, nobody else will, right?


yep - even if it's not what most of us would have done, at least he's doing something... that right there is better than what seems to be a massive generation of absentee parenting.
 
2012-04-29 12:53:31 PM  

Patterson: Nice to see the farkers back up their tough talk against wild kids with no discipline from their parents...

This guy is teaching his daughter that acting in a disrespectful way doesn't get you positive attention. Good show dad.


This. Shame is an extraordinarily effective motivator. Things that aren't effective: jail and out-of-school suspensions.
 
2012-04-29 12:55:06 PM  

BronyMedic: tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.

Do you know how I know you don't work around kids?

Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.


Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.
 
2012-04-29 12:55:28 PM  

BronyMedic: Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.


This + taking whatever objects they most value seems to be the most effective thing. You don't have to beat your children,just take their stuff. My mom was the master of that shiat. Refuse to clean your room? Fine then she'll do it and you can watch the bonfire afterwards. It only takes doing this once or twice to get the farking point across.
 
2012-04-29 12:55:31 PM  
Sounds like a job for George Zimmerman! He'll get her attitude straight, even if it kills her.
 
2012-04-29 12:57:41 PM  
I see a Quandria with that sign.

Seriously, what a farking idiot. I'm gonna put my daughter in the street and spell disrespect wrong. Obviously that parent didn't do too well in in school either .
 
2012-04-29 12:58:54 PM  

serial_crusher: Frederick: I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation. I wouldnt do that with my children -not that I'd need to.

Yeah, if you want to teach kids to be thankful when people do nice things for them, you need to put them in a situation where they're being nice to somebody who acts like a dick about it. Thinking back to my own childhood experiences, making her serve food at a Moose Lodge would fit the bill nicely.

/ Those farking old people. Look, it's just my job to hand out the pudding. I can't help that they ran out of chocolate. Get over it.


You just don't fark with pudding day.
 
2012-04-29 12:58:58 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BronyMedic: tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.

Do you know how I know you don't work around kids?

Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.

Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.


Did every single kid also end up makign sweeping bullshiat generalizations because they're deathly afraid of being embarrassed? Sorry, snowflake, if you can't handle reality.

/I mean that sincerely
//Perhaps you should get help for your manifest insecurities
 
2012-04-29 01:00:06 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues.


Chicken v egg, causation v correlation, anecdotal evidence, yeah. That's a winning post.
 
2012-04-29 01:00:27 PM  

NightOwl2255: Sounds like a job for George Zimmerman! He'll get her attitude straight, even if it kills her.


Good god, the daily, 1000+ post Zimmermang threads aren't enough to satiate you? You're psychotic.
 
2012-04-29 01:01:14 PM  

Carousel Beast: Did every single kid also end up makign sweeping bullshiat generalizations because they're deathly afraid of being embarrassed? Sorry, snowflake, if you can't handle reality.

/I mean that sincerely
//Perhaps you should get help for your manifest insecurities


Tiny fist!
 
2012-04-29 01:01:45 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.


just to play devil's advocate - that could be just a correlation as opposed to causation. eg the kind of kids that needed this kind of public shaming were headed that route anyway.

or perhaps the kind of parents that are willing to do horrible things to their kids would probably correlate highly with the kinds of parents willing to publicly shame their kids.
Doesn't mean there's any sort of causative link between public humiliation and "ending up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues"
 
2012-04-29 01:01:46 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues.

Chicken v egg, causation v correlation, anecdotal evidence, yeah. That's a winning post.


Eh, I'm sure its all a coincidence.
 
2012-04-29 01:02:51 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: NightOwl2255: Sounds like a job for George Zimmerman! He'll get her attitude straight, even if it kills her.

Good god, the daily, 1000+ post Zimmermang threads aren't enough to satiate you? You're psychotic.


seriously - nightowl, gtfo
 
2012-04-29 01:03:29 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues.

Chicken v egg, causation v correlation, anecdotal evidence, yeah. That's a winning post.

Eh, I'm sure its all a coincidence.


well jeez - just how many kids did you know that were disciplined in such a way?
 
2012-04-29 01:05:56 PM  
FTA: Christine Baker, who saw the sign driving by, even stopped to ask if the message was getting through and seemed to agree with the tactic.

Christine Baker sounds like a self righteous coont.
 
2012-04-29 01:06:06 PM  
A 15 year old who is both disrespectful and can't spell the word. My kids are going to rule this country!
 
2012-04-29 01:06:15 PM  

Pathman: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

my parents are liberal europeans and they would have (and did) beat my ass for saying something like that to them...

/ymmv...not judging


I've found that many europeans are much more inclined to an ass whooping than their american counterparts. And really, I can't exclude my own family from that group of european assbeaters... I'm haplogroup H after all.

/love you NatGeo
 
2012-04-29 01:08:35 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues.

Chicken v egg, causation v correlation, anecdotal evidence, yeah. That's a winning post.

Eh, I'm sure its all a coincidence.


I was shamed by my parents on several occasions and I graduated summa cum laude and then ended up a lawyer and Fark presence. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
 
2012-04-29 01:10:33 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?


I pick my battles. Talking back to me isnt one of the things that concerns me.
 
2012-04-29 01:11:24 PM  

Pathman: seriously - nightowl, gtfo


No! hahhahahahahahahahaha
 
2012-04-29 01:11:46 PM  

Somacandra: Should've had a sign that said "I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and big butt and my butt smells and I like to kiss my own butt."


Her big ugly face is as dumb as a butt?

/too obscure?
 
2012-04-29 01:12:18 PM  

Stinkyy: Ok, great, but what if the girl didn't obey her father? Nothing he could do. Wonder what got her to comply with the punishment.


"Either go stand out on the street with this sign, or I'm taking away your smart phone."

/It also works for "Either you have a detention after school, or you give me your phone until the end of the day." They take the detention every time.
 
2012-04-29 01:13:26 PM  

Joshudan: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I pick my battles. Talking back to me isnt one of the things that concerns me.


Just curious... what does concern you?
 
2012-04-29 01:13:40 PM  

Pathman: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.

just to play devil's advocate - that could be just a correlation as opposed to causation. eg the kind of kids that needed this kind of public shaming were headed that route anyway.

or perhaps the kind of parents that are willing to do horrible things to their kids would probably correlate highly with the kinds of parents willing to publicly shame their kids.
Doesn't mean there's any sort of causative link between public humiliation and "ending up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues"


No no, that's what I meant. Not that "public shaking causes dysfunctional adults" but, in general, the type of parent that would resort to public shaming would probably engender a child with behavior issues.
 
2012-04-29 01:14:02 PM  
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BronyMedic: tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.

Do you know how I know you don't work around kids?

Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.

Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.


CAPTAIN HYPERBOLE, IS THAT YOU?!

Funny how you say that, yet I ended up as a Paramedic, graduating from college, with no drug and alcohol problems, and I don't even smoke.
 
2012-04-29 01:15:41 PM  

Erzsebetvwv: Stinkyy: Ok, great, but what if the girl didn't obey her father? Nothing he could do. Wonder what got her to comply with the punishment.

"Either go stand out on the street with this sign, or I'm taking away your smart phone."

/It also works for "Either you have a detention after school, or you give me your phone until the end of the day." They take the detention every time.


Know what works better than that? Not giving them a phone to begin with. If they need to call they can use a friend's phone or (gasp!) a landline.

Teenagers don't need cellphones.
 
2012-04-29 01:16:13 PM  

CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.


But isn't that teaching the little snowflake that charity work is a punishment?

Get the kids involved in charity work before they're 15 and you probably won't have a little snowflake who thinks it's all about them.
 
2012-04-29 01:16:13 PM  

Pathman: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues.

Chicken v egg, causation v correlation, anecdotal evidence, yeah. That's a winning post.

Eh, I'm sure its all a coincidence.

well jeez - just how many kids did you know that were disciplined in such a way?


2. Not a great sample size, I admit....
 
2012-04-29 01:17:05 PM  

BronyMedic: Funny how you say that, yet I ended up as a Paramedic, graduating from college, with no drug and alcohol problems, and I don't even smoke.


But he didn't you, so you don't count.
 
2012-04-29 01:19:32 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BronyMedic: tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.

Do you know how I know you don't work around kids?

Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.

Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.


Great! Now let's hear some lengthy, entertaining anecdotes about all these people. Don't leave out a single detail......
 
2012-04-29 01:19:33 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: I was shamed by my parents on several occasions and I graduated summa cum laude and then ended up a lawyer and Fark presence.


I was born on Gordon Hinckley's fiftieth birthday. COINCIDENCE? I THINK probably, yeah.
 
2012-04-29 01:21:52 PM  

Trawg: CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.

Yep, wouldn't want to make these precious snowflakes feel ashamed for acting shamefully. That's an icky emotion that has no place in these infallible youngsters.


You miss the boat all together.

You can't make someone *feel* shame. All you can do is give them the opportunity to see the other side of life (that and the fact they themselves are not the most important part of).

If you attempt to make someone feel shame, you show them the baser side of yourself. Not the potential for doing better things and growing from experience.

Too bad you had to bootstrap yourself into your current moral values. Having someone assist and guide is always a better course.

Ever try to teach a puppy not to chew on things he/she shouldn't? You give them something they can acceptably chew on, and praise them when they do. When they go back to chewing on the wrong things, you nudge them back to the thing okay for them to chew on.

That is how life works....
 
2012-04-29 01:22:15 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BronyMedic: tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.

Do you know how I know you don't work around kids?

Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.

Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.


Parents try and make punishment a personal achievement. After I proved I could live without anything but my school books, I was refused a ride to my SAT test from my foster parents as "punishment". They obviously didn't care about my future as much as their parenting skills. I was allowed to spend the night at a friends house and her mom drove me to the SAT.

/I was punished again when my score came in the mail.
 
2012-04-29 01:22:57 PM  
So instead of spending 15 years raising a respectful child, the dad takes 15 minutes to embarrass the kid under the guise of "good parenting". Hope the dad has fun being put in a home in a few years.
 
2012-04-29 01:23:35 PM  
Someone should let the site know that their use of quotations is incorrect. The sign does not in fact have "disrespect" written on it, but "disrespet" instead.
 
2012-04-29 01:23:56 PM  
Dad gets involved with other kids too.
Click me

I wonder if he wore a board a year ago after he drove with a revoked license.
Click me
 
2012-04-29 01:25:12 PM  

Salem Witch: CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.

But isn't that teaching the little snowflake that charity work is a punishment?

Get the kids involved in charity work before they're 15 and you probably won't have a little snowflake who thinks it's all about them.


No. It isn't punishment. Everyone perceives punishment as a negative. Give them a life lesson. Isn't that what life is all about? If you start too late to prevent poor interaction, then explain your faults to them and move on. None of us are perfect. Just ask my ex-wife of 28 years.
 
2012-04-29 01:25:19 PM  
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2012-04-29 01:25:34 PM  

CasperImproved: Ever try to teach a puppy not to chew on things he/she shouldn't? You give them something they can acceptably chew on, and praise them when they do. When they go back to chewing on the wrong things, you nudge them back to the thing okay for them to chew on.

That is how life works....


I think I'm going to tag you as "Paints happy little trees"
 
2012-04-29 01:26:03 PM  

BronyMedic: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BronyMedic: tekmo: Public humiliation?

Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.

Wonderful parenting. Good job, dad.

You're going to need help too, someday, old man. I hope she tells you to go to hell.

Do you know how I know you don't work around kids?

Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.

Every single kid I knew growing up who was disciplined via public humiliation ended up a dysfunctional adult with a personality disorder and usually some substance abuse issues. The type of parent who thinks public shaking is appropriate magically ends up with children who act out. Almost like its the parenting that leads to the bad behavior in the first place.

CAPTAIN HYPERBOLE, IS THAT YOU?!

Funny how you say that, yet I ended up as a Paramedic, graduating from college, with no drug and alcohol problems, and I don't even smoke.


Was that because of the public shaming or in spite of it?
 
2012-04-29 01:27:01 PM  
With a name like Quandria,it HAS to be rude!
 
2012-04-29 01:27:10 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Teenagers don't need cellphones.


I'm 23 and the only cell phone I've ever owned has been a tracfone. Never had one growing up either but as a teenager I did see kids young enough to be in 5th or 6th grade have one. It always made me think about how me and my mom were barely paying the rent for the apartment we lived in or how I didn't get new school clothes but those little farkers got cellphones. At the same time I was just happy to be with her and glad we were out of hell.
 
2012-04-29 01:27:37 PM  

Person: Someone should let the site know that their use of quotations is incorrect. The sign does not in fact have "disrespect" written on it, but "disrespet" instead.


Ha. Looks like dad inadvertently publicly humiliated himself as well.
 
2012-04-29 01:32:22 PM  
Clearly what her dad should have done was force her to wear a tape recorder to school, and then whine about how it's all the fault of the educational system that his child is a disruptive pain in the ass. Then all of the geniuses on teh interwebs would be pouring out in force to defend him, instead of being outraged that a parent actually did some parenting for once.
 
2012-04-29 01:32:29 PM  
The reason I don't want kids isn't because they're a pain in the ass, it's because I don't want to hear everyone else tell me how to raise them. So what if they're working in the coal mine at age 11, it builds character.
 
2012-04-29 01:34:58 PM  
Quandria!?

Maybe her parents are really into MMOs and didn't realize that on Earth names do not have to be unique.
 
2012-04-29 01:37:39 PM  

Eidola: Quandria!?

Maybe her parents are really into MMOs and didn't realize that on Earth names do not have to be unique.


It's interesting that people who call themselves things like "Eidola" are whining about this girl's name, but it's hardly unique. A simple Google search shows hundreds, if not thousands of people with that name.
 
2012-04-29 01:37:48 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: CasperImproved: Ever try to teach a puppy not to chew on things he/she shouldn't? You give them something they can acceptably chew on, and praise them when they do. When they go back to chewing on the wrong things, you nudge them back to the thing okay for them to chew on.

That is how life works....

I think I'm going to tag you as "Paints happy little trees"


He just understands conditioning and behavourism better than you do. It isn't living in a fantasy world, quite the opposite. The people who scream at and hit their pets never seem to get the results they want because the pet just gets scared. Getting the behaviour you want is all about reinforcement and redirection. My cat has a couple scratch pads and he knows those are all he can scratch. Wasn't magic, took showing him the pads, kneading his claws on them, praising him for using them, and telling him "No" over and over when he tried to scratch something else.

It isn't a hippy "Let's all be friends," method, it is an effective one.
 
2012-04-29 01:38:08 PM  
I would be deeply concerned if my 15-year-old kid was respectful and had a good attitude. Teenagers are supposed to be annoying as hell.

/nothing wrong with the punishment - you spank a 4-year-old for misbehaving, but you're not surprised the 4-year-old misbehaved. I mean, it's a four-year-old. Same story here.
 
2012-04-29 01:40:17 PM  
In 5th grade summer camp, I made fun of a counselor to my friends. I guess I wasn't very secretive because he found out. At the end of camp when everyone got rewards (like friendliest, most athletic, etc), I got the "I'm quiet because I have an attitude" award. I was shocked, but I got over it pretty quick. I could only imagine if that guy did that to some kid now...
 
2012-04-29 01:40:22 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: /nothing wrong with the punishment - you spank a 4-year-old for misbehaving, but you're not surprised the 4-year-old misbehaved. I mean, it's a four-year-old. Same story here.


You do that and CPS will be on your doorstep in no time after your 4-year-old tells everybody what a meanie you are.
 
2012-04-29 01:40:48 PM  

Person: Funny how you say that, yet I ended up as a Paramedic, graduating from college, with no drug and alcohol problems, and I don't even smoke.

Was that because of the public shaming or in spite of it?


The f*ck kind of stupid question is this? The comment was made because a melodramatic farker claimed that all kids who are shamed by their parents end up drug-addled and behaviorally challenged.

Clearly your parents didn't shame you enough for being an incompetent mouthbreather.
 
2012-04-29 01:41:01 PM  

tukatz: CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.

I somewhat disagree. While charity work is always a good teaching tool for kids, shaming or embarrassing kids is no longer seen the same way.

Kids are now "public figures". Meaning they want to be "seen" by everyone. It's mandatory to have a Facebook account and publish every moment of your life on it. It's important to text everyone possible to let them know everything going on that day... every thought.... every idea... every criticism of everything.... Since they have to be public to be popular, that is the only way to affect them and get the point across.

Protecting the snowflakes only goes so far. Ignoring bad behavior because of the fear of shaming them will not work. If you make them look bad or stupid to their "circle", they will quickly act to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I find it sad that so many kids are shallow these days.... only concerned about their status to other people. The best thing parents can teach them is to be independent and stop trying to impress others.


I disagree.

Anyone teenager or adult, will buck at and resent being made a person that should be shamed. The fault they had you would wish them to fox will become secondary to the fact *you* shamed them.

What a pass on poor parenting? You won't get one with this action.
 
2012-04-29 01:42:22 PM  

CasperImproved: tukatz: CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.

I somewhat disagree. While charity work is always a good teaching tool for kids, shaming or embarrassing kids is no longer seen the same way.

Kids are now "public figures". Meaning they want to be "seen" by everyone. It's mandatory to have a Facebook account and publish every moment of your life on it. It's important to text everyone possible to let them know everything going on that day... every thought.... every idea... every criticism of everything.... Since they have to be public to be popular, that is the only way to affect them and get the point across.

Protecting the snowflakes only goes so far. Ignoring bad behavior because of the fear of shaming them will not work. If you make them look bad or stupid to their "circle", they will quickly act to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I find it sad that so many kids are shallow these days.... only concerned about their status to other people. The best thing parents can teach them is to be independent and stop trying to impress others.

I disagree.

Anyone teenager or adult, will buck at and resent being made a person that should be shamed. The fault they had you would wish them to fox will become secondary to the fact *you* shamed them.

What a pass on poor parenting? You won't get one with this action.


Sorry... that was suppose to be "want a pass".
 
2012-04-29 01:43:22 PM  
fark it, just kill the kid. Simpler all around.
 
2012-04-29 01:44:49 PM  

sycraft: Salt Lick Steady: CasperImproved: Ever try to teach a puppy not to chew on things he/she shouldn't? You give them something they can acceptably chew on, and praise them when they do. When they go back to chewing on the wrong things, you nudge them back to the thing okay for them to chew on.

That is how life works....

I think I'm going to tag you as "Paints happy little trees"

He just understands conditioning and behavourism better than you do. It isn't living in a fantasy world, quite the opposite. The people who scream at and hit their pets never seem to get the results they want because the pet just gets scared. Getting the behaviour you want is all about reinforcement and redirection. My cat has a couple scratch pads and he knows those are all he can scratch. Wasn't magic, took showing him the pads, kneading his claws on them, praising him for using them, and telling him "No" over and over when he tried to scratch something else.

It isn't a hippy "Let's all be friends," method, it is an effective one.


Dude, I'm an experienced dog handler and am quite familiar with positive conditioning. However, for some animals this simply does not work. It just doesn't. Some dogs will never understand that they can chew on the stuffed bumble bee but not your leather shoes. No matter how much 'nudging.' For such animals, a bit of negative reinforcement is occasionally necessary.

Of course, we're now talking about dogs - who don't understand the concept of shame - instead of human children, who do. Don't anthropomorphize dog handling in order to apply it to this situation.
 
2012-04-29 01:46:47 PM  
I don't see too much wrong with this. There comes a time in every person's life, I think, when life whips around and kicks you in the ass so hard that it makes you sit up and take notice, and Dad's trying to give her the smallest taste of that experience; it could be much worse, and can tell you it works. I went from being a brash, arrogant, disrespectful and attention-seeking teen to being a sullen, withdrawn, beaten man who lacks any shred of confidence and no longer knows how to relate to others in any meaningful way.

It's like a miracle, I tell you.
 
2012-04-29 01:47:03 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: CasperImproved: Ever try to teach a puppy not to chew on things he/she shouldn't? You give them something they can acceptably chew on, and praise them when they do. When they go back to chewing on the wrong things, you nudge them back to the thing okay for them to chew on.

That is how life works....

I think I'm going to tag you as "Paints happy little trees"


You can tag anything you want. Ever tried to pull a cat to a bath event? That is what growing a teenager is like. I know. I grew two teenagers. Both are now teachers.

Paint your own little pictures, as I think you will be the only one that sees them until you pull off your rose colored glasses.
 
2012-04-29 01:48:28 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Clearly your parents didn't shame you enough for being an incompetent mouthbreather.


You have some real anger management issues.
 
2012-04-29 01:50:09 PM  

Salt Lick Steady:

Dude, I'm an experienced dog handler and am quite familiar with positive conditioning. However, for some animals this simply does not work. It just doesn't. Some dogs will never understand that they can chew on the stuffed bumble bee but not your leather shoes. No matter how much 'nudging.' For such animals, a bit of negative reinforcement is occasionally necessary.


Or, you take the dog to the vet, give it one little injection, and now you have room in your life for a dog that doesn't act like that.

Of course, we're now talking about dogs - who don't understand the concept of shame - instead of human children, who do. Don't anthropomorphize dog handling in order to apply it to this situation.

Why not?
 
2012-04-29 01:50:45 PM  

Mavent: Salt Lick Steady: Clearly your parents didn't shame you enough for being an incompetent mouthbreather.

You have some real anger management issues.


He's on the Internet - he gets to say what he wants.
 
2012-04-29 01:50:46 PM  

baronbloodbath: Told myself, "Please be something other than a black kid!"

Clicked link.

When will I be proved wrong about these things?


Wouldn't the black spelling be K'wandréa?
 
2012-04-29 01:51:41 PM  

ialdabaoth: Of course, we're now talking about dogs - who don't understand the concept of shame - instead of human children, who do. Don't anthropomorphize dog handling in order to apply it to this situation.

Why not?


Because dogs aren't human and vice versa. Do you need a diagram?
 
2012-04-29 01:51:44 PM  
Just shoot her laptop. It's easier, and apparently all the rage with the cool cats.

//note to self: buy cowboy hat and 1911
 
2012-04-29 01:52:42 PM  
Negative reinforcement is not a bad thing per se. Parenting one's child should be a balance between both positive reinforcement, and negative reinforcement. It shouldn't be about shaming your child all the time, or casually calling him/her "that moron who lives in my house", and neither should it about believing your child is an angel that can do no harm. It should be smacking them hard when they do something that was stupid, and rewarding them when they do something that was positive.

My father was such a fan of negative reinforcement that I don't talk to him anymore. My mother however, balanced more towards the negative but overall was a much better parent.
 
2012-04-29 01:52:46 PM  

Mavent: Salt Lick Steady: Clearly your parents didn't shame you enough for being an incompetent mouthbreather.

You have some real anger management issues.


Quite the opposite. And if you think that's anger... you have some reading comprehension issues.
 
2012-04-29 01:53:13 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Person: Funny how you say that, yet I ended up as a Paramedic, graduating from college, with no drug and alcohol problems, and I don't even smoke.

Was that because of the public shaming or in spite of it?

The f*ck kind of stupid question is this? The comment was made because a melodramatic farker claimed that all kids who are shamed by their parents end up drug-addled and behaviorally challenged.

Clearly your parents didn't shame you enough for being an incompetent mouthbreather.


Such hostility over a harmless internet question... Interesting that you admit to being disiplimed via humiliation...
 
2012-04-29 01:53:55 PM  

tekmo:
Young women shouldn't be taught that men have the right to shame them.


Leaving the irrelevant young/old and women/men issues, why shouldn't people who do wrong feel ashamed? A recent study here in Scotland found that most female prisoners had low self-esteem, and reported it as if that was a bad thing.

Since when have we wanted prisoners to feel good about themselves?
 
2012-04-29 01:54:40 PM  

ialdabaoth: Salt Lick Steady:

Dude, I'm an experienced dog handler and am quite familiar with positive conditioning. However, for some animals this simply does not work. It just doesn't. Some dogs will never understand that they can chew on the stuffed bumble bee but not your leather shoes. No matter how much 'nudging.' For such animals, a bit of negative reinforcement is occasionally necessary.

Or, you take the dog to the vet, give it one little injection, and now you have room in your life for a dog that doesn't act like that.


Yep. Just dope up the dog, rather than incorporating some negative reinforcement. You advocate doping up the child too?
 
2012-04-29 01:54:54 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Wow, that's a nice spin. 9/10.


So you don't think that women base their relationships with men on what they learned as girls from their relationship with their fathers?

I'd suggest that notion represents, how can I put this tactfully? A minority opinion.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nonono, mustn't punish her, Dad, because she's a woman and you have to be considerate of her feelings.


I see that, like this girl's father, you lack the mental horsepower to draw a distinction between discipline and humiliation.

They are different. That's why the concepts are represented by different words.

BronyMedic: Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.


They're probably all terrified of venomous snakes too. Why not lock the girl in a room with a snake to teach her a lesson?

(Hint: because that would also be sadistic.)
 
2012-04-29 01:55:24 PM  
Well, at least her name isn't LaQuandria.

/or Propecia
 
2012-04-29 01:56:05 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Such hostility over a harmless internet question... Interesting that you admit to being disiplimed via humiliation...


All internet questions are harmless. Some are colossally stupid, however, and deserved to be shamed.
 
2012-04-29 01:56:11 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: Salt Lick Steady:

Dude, I'm an experienced dog handler and am quite familiar with positive conditioning. However, for some animals this simply does not work. It just doesn't. Some dogs will never understand that they can chew on the stuffed bumble bee but not your leather shoes. No matter how much 'nudging.' For such animals, a bit of negative reinforcement is occasionally necessary.

Or, you take the dog to the vet, give it one little injection, and now you have room in your life for a dog that doesn't act like that.

Yep. Just dope up the dog, rather than incorporating some negative reinforcement. You advocate doping up the child too?


No. I advocate *KILLING* the dog. And the child. I already said so, further up.

Recycle the carbon, try again.
 
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2012-04-29 01:56:51 PM  
34 posts and noone has mentioned that she (or the father) SPELLED THE SIGN WRONG?

That's a girl's handwriting.

Ax me how i can help. go ahead, ax me, i dare you.
 
2012-04-29 01:57:01 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Person: Funny how you say that, yet I ended up as a Paramedic, graduating from college, with no drug and alcohol problems, and I don't even smoke.

Was that because of the public shaming or in spite of it?

The f*ck kind of stupid question is this? The comment was made because a melodramatic farker claimed that all kids who are shamed by their parents end up drug-addled and behaviorally challenged.

Clearly your parents didn't shame you enough for being an incompetent mouthbreather.


Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
The original farker said that all of the people he personally knew that were publicly shamed by their parents ended up drug-addled and behaviorally challenged. He never claimed all were, just the ones he knew.
I asked if he the public shaming the poster went through contributed to his success, did it actually change his behavior, did the public shaming stop him from committing delinquent acts or did other factors shape his behavior instead.

Also, you might want to check on your vagina. It looks like it's awfully sandy in there.
 
2012-04-29 01:57:02 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: Of course, we're now talking about dogs - who don't understand the concept of shame - instead of human children, who do. Don't anthropomorphize dog handling in order to apply it to this situation.

Why not?

Because dogs aren't human and vice versa. Do you need a diagram?


What's so goddamn special about being 'human'?
 
2012-04-29 01:57:45 PM  

tekmo: Salt Lick Steady: Wow, that's a nice spin. 9/10.

So you don't think that women base their relationships with men on what they learned as girls from their relationship with their fathers?

I'd suggest that notion represents, how can I put this tactfully? A minority opinion.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nonono, mustn't punish her, Dad, because she's a woman and you have to be considerate of her feelings.

I see that, like this girl's father, you lack the mental horsepower to draw a distinction between discipline and humiliation.

They are different. That's why the concepts are represented by different words.

BronyMedic: Humiliation infront of their peers is one of the few things they're utterly terrified of.

They're probably all terrified of venomous snakes too. Why not lock the girl in a room with a snake to teach her a lesson?

(Hint: because that would also be sadistic.)


Why is sadism a bad thing? Sadism fuels our entire culture.
 
2012-04-29 01:58:08 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Such hostility over a harmless internet question... Interesting that you admit to being disiplimed via humiliation...

All internet questions are harmless. Some are colossally stupid, however, and deserved to be shamed.


"Deserve to be shamed"... Yeah, your parents strategy worked great.
 
2012-04-29 01:58:32 PM  

Yaxe: My father was such a fan of negative reinforcement that I don't talk to him anymore. My mother however, balanced more towards the negative but overall was a much better parent.


I know exactly what you mean and my father liked to dish it out to everyone in the house with his fists and irrational screaming. I gladly live with my mom and help take care of her because of her medical issues. She's also one of the most inspiring people I know or ever will know. Last December my sister had a frantic message from my aunt on her phone because my father apparently was having more of his foot/leg taken off cause he's an idiot about his type 1 diabetes. She didn't care enough to call back and I haven't seen the bastard since I've been 14 so why should I care?
 
2012-04-29 01:59:11 PM  

Trawg: CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.

Yep, wouldn't want to make these precious snowflakes feel ashamed for acting shamefully. That's an icky emotion that has no place in these infallible youngsters.


So is your goal to improve the behavior and teach, or is it to make them feel bad?

/hint, they're not the same thing
 
2012-04-29 01:59:13 PM  
Before my high school years went to hell in a handbasket and I R-U-N-N O-F-T, I was a smart-mouthed little shiat. My parents decided that essays were the way to go. If I exhibited undesireable behavior, it usually came with an ass-whipping and then it was off to my room to write however many pages on what I did, why I did it, what I should have done and what I was going to do next time. Hated it with a passion, but it did force me to think things over and my writing skills ended up pretty decent, for a high school kid.

I do the same to my 12 y/o. More for crap like not doing homework, though...never had a real "disrespet" issue. Then again, I can't think of a time where I actually demanded he respect me...it's just not something I say, really. It used to really frustrate me when my dad screamed at me to "respect" him, when all I could do was stand there and count off in my head all the reasons I didn't.
 
2012-04-29 02:00:08 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Such hostility over a harmless internet question... Interesting that you admit to being disiplimed via humiliation...

All internet questions are harmless. Some are colossally stupid, however, and deserved to be shamed.

"Deserve to be shamed"... Yeah, your parents strategy worked great.


It verifiably did. It taught him to be a sadistic, reactionary thug. You, on the other hand, have compassion for others, which means you'll live a life of misery and self-doubt, compared to his never-ending stream of virile manliness.

Asshats win, sucker.
 
2012-04-29 02:00:18 PM  

Mugato: Well that's one way to create a drug addicted prostitute.


Her name is Quandria, she is already predestined.
 
2012-04-29 02:00:56 PM  
Hey pops! Come here! Yeah, you. not your kid, YOU.
I got something for you.

*holds up sandwich board that reads "I RAISED A DISRESPECTFUL BIATCH AND BLAME HER FOR IT"*

*points at the curb*

You know what to do.
 
2012-04-29 02:01:25 PM  
I used to get smacked with a wooden spoon. My mother put the spoon in her purse and took it everywhere.

And I'm still a pain in the ass.

I probably won't have children, but I do teach them. My favorite punishment/reward is writing the time for recess/lunch/dismissal on the board.

Depending on class behavior, the time goes up or down.

And it's hysterical. "Recess: 10:45" will be on the board and I'll erase the 5 and write in a 6. It puts a look of horror on the faces of 30 nine year-olds and I usually have to suppress laughter.

What the kids haven't picked up on is that even when they lose a few minutes, I still keep them outside for a good 15 minutes. They need to run around and they're easier to handle when tired.
 
2012-04-29 02:01:27 PM  

defiancecp: Trawg: CasperImproved: Trying to instill shame is a poor way to teach. Better that they would have had him perform charity/volunteer work for x hours.

Yep, wouldn't want to make these precious snowflakes feel ashamed for acting shamefully. That's an icky emotion that has no place in these infallible youngsters.

So is your goal to improve the behavior and teach, or is it to make them feel bad?

/hint, they're not the same thing


The goal is ALWAYS to make others feel bad. This sets up cycles of resentment and viciousness that keep the world the shiathole that it is, which guarantees that there will always be justification for further shaming and vindictive infliction of 'punishment'.

It's a win-win.
 
2012-04-29 02:01:46 PM  

tekmo: So you don't think that women base their relationships with men on what they learned as girls from their relationship with their fathers?


Nope. Or at least only in small part, unless you're into Freud's nonsense.
 
2012-04-29 02:02:22 PM  

Person: Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
The original farker said that all of the people he personally knew that were publicly shamed by their parents ended up drug-addled and behaviorally challenged. He never claimed all were, just the ones he knew.


Yes, and then he admitted that all he knew were two people. Then you asked someone who stated, in refutation of his implied claim that shaming always leads to behavior challenges, whether s/he was successful in spite of the shaming. That was a stupid thing to ask. Sorry if that wads your panties.
 
2012-04-29 02:02:52 PM  

doglover: Frederick: I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation.

Modern people have more or less lost their masculine side, so it's not surprising. Just sad.


QFT!
 
2012-04-29 02:04:36 PM  
"Disrespect" is not a verb. Spelling is a minor issue in comparison with that display of ignorance.
 
2012-04-29 02:05:54 PM  

ialdabaoth: It verifiably did. It taught him to be a sadistic, reactionary thug.


Seriously? Firstly, I'm a woman. Secondly, if you take a Fark exchange like this to be "sadistic," you're living in a green-skied world. Thirdly, as a lawyer and person who has dealt extensively with inmates and their families, I am short on change for bullsh*t. Cry a little harder.
 
2012-04-29 02:06:24 PM  

ialdabaoth: It verifiably did. It taught him to be a sadistic, reactionary thug. You, on the other hand, have compassion for others, which means you'll live a life of misery and self-doubt, compared to his never-ending stream of virile manliness.

Asshats win, sucker.

...painfully demonstrated as true by history.
 
2012-04-29 02:07:13 PM  

tekmo: I see that, like this girl's father, you lack the mental horsepower to draw a distinction between discipline and humiliation.

They are different. That's why the concepts are represented by different words.


They are NOT different. Discipline requires a certain amount of humiliation. One must do something wrong and be punished for it before the wrongness of it is recognized. Punishment is by necessity humiliating, thus the person learns humility.
 
2012-04-29 02:07:43 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: It verifiably did. It taught him to be a sadistic, reactionary thug.

Seriously? Firstly, I'm a woman. Secondly, if you take a Fark exchange like this to be "sadistic," you're living in a green-skied world. Thirdly, as a lawyer and person who has dealt extensively with inmates and their families, I am short on change for bullsh*t. Cry a little harder.


Given that you are "a lawyer and someone who has dealt extensively with inmates and their families", I stand by my earlier characterization of you as a sadistic, reactionary thug, purely on statistical probability. I could care less what shape your bits are.
 
2012-04-29 02:08:24 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: It verifiably did. It taught him to be a sadistic, reactionary thug.

Seriously? Firstly, I'm a woman. Secondly, if you take a Fark exchange like this to be "sadistic," you're living in a green-skied world. Thirdly, as a lawyer and person who has dealt extensively with inmates and their families, I am short on change for bullsh*t. Cry a little harder.


SECOND, when I called you a "sadistic, reactionary thug", I was farking COMPLIMENTING you. Pay attention.
 
2012-04-29 02:10:19 PM  
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Approves of this child's name.
 
2012-04-29 02:10:59 PM  

orbister: "Disrespect" is not a verb.


Can you find me a dictionary that backs this up? All the ones I have checked list it as both verb and noun.
 
2012-04-29 02:14:13 PM  

ialdabaoth: Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: It verifiably did. It taught him to be a sadistic, reactionary thug.

Seriously? Firstly, I'm a woman. Secondly, if you take a Fark exchange like this to be "sadistic," you're living in a green-skied world. Thirdly, as a lawyer and person who has dealt extensively with inmates and their families, I am short on change for bullsh*t. Cry a little harder.

Given that you are "a lawyer and someone who has dealt extensively with inmates and their families", I stand by my earlier characterization of you as a sadistic, reactionary thug, purely on statistical probability. I could care less what shape your bits are.


Yeah. By that you surely mean I helped reduce sentences, established transitional programs, and actually treated the inmates and their families as human being rather than tools. Dick.
 
2012-04-29 02:15:23 PM  

ialdabaoth: I could care less what shape your bits are.


I'll tell you anyway, they're pointy.
 
2012-04-29 02:15:24 PM  

Frederick: The My Little Pony Killer: There aren't enough parents who take this route, imo.

Idk...

I have a hard time supporting negative reinforcement (shaming) as a punishment or motivation. I wouldnt do that with my children -not that I'd need to.

The reporter could have included in the article what the actual offense was....


Why is it always the people who talk about how much they were beaten/shamed as punishment and "they turned out fine?" who, uh...didn't.

/friend sold drugs, drinks in excess, unemployed...
//but apparently "turned out fine"
 
2012-04-29 02:15:43 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The My Little Pony Killer: There aren't enough parents who take this route, imo.

I give it a few days until CPS comes to take the child away for the abuse that was inflicted upon her. Remember, everybody knows better than you how to parent your child.


THIS.
 
2012-04-29 02:15:53 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: It verifiably did. It taught him to be a sadistic, reactionary thug.

Seriously? Firstly, I'm a woman. Secondly, if you take a Fark exchange like this to be "sadistic," you're living in a green-skied world. Thirdly, as a lawyer and person who has dealt extensively with inmates and their families, I am short on change for bullsh*t. Cry a little harder.


Ugh, you see all you horrible parents out there? THIS^ is what we sane, well-adjusted adults have to deal with because of you. Please, just be present and emotionally supportive in your kids' lives. Set boundaries, use measured discipline, offer positive reinforcement, and raise mature adults. We're really sick of all the sociopaths, especially the ones that manage to get into positions of authority (see above)... Please?
 
2012-04-29 02:17:07 PM  
This kid is farking dead. Life ruined.
 
2012-04-29 02:17:27 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: It verifiably did. It taught him to be a sadistic, reactionary thug.

Seriously? Firstly, I'm a woman. Secondly, if you take a Fark exchange like this to be "sadistic," you're living in a green-skied world. Thirdly, as a lawyer and person who has dealt extensively with inmates and their families, I am short on change for bullsh*t. Cry a little harder.

Given that you are "a lawyer and someone who has dealt extensively with inmates and their families", I stand by my earlier characterization of you as a sadistic, reactionary thug, purely on statistical probability. I could care less what shape your bits are.

Yeah. By that you surely mean I helped reduce sentences, established transitional programs, and actually treated the inmates and their families as human being rather than tools. Dick.


Why should anyone believe that? And even if it were true, why should anyone care? And even if anyone cared, why should it matter?
 
2012-04-29 02:19:10 PM  

Yaxe: Negative reinforcement is not a bad thing per se. Parenting one's child should be a balance between both positive reinforcement, and negative reinforcement. It shouldn't be about shaming your child all the time, or casually calling him/her "that moron who lives in my house", and neither should it about believing your child is an angel that can do no harm. It should be smacking them hard when they do something that was stupid, and rewarding them when they do something that was positive.

My father was such a fan of negative reinforcement that I don't talk to him anymore. My mother however, balanced more towards the negative but overall was a much better parent.


once again - that's not what negative reinforcement is.

Giving your kid a dollar when he cleans his room is positive reinforcement.
Extending or removing his curfew when he cleans his room is negative reinforcement.
Smacking him for not cleaning his room is positive punishment
Taking away a dollar for not cleaning his room is negative punishment.
 
2012-04-29 02:19:33 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?


I know, right? What kind of parent allows their kid to talk to them like that? I would have gotten an ass-whooping if I told one of my parents to DIAF.

/and I've gotten my mouth washed out with soap
//that shiat's disgusting :/
 
2012-04-29 02:21:38 PM  

phalaeo: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I know, right? What kind of parent allows their kid to talk to them like that? I would have gotten an ass-whooping if I told one of my parents to DIAF.

/and I've gotten my mouth washed out with soap
//that shiat's disgusting :/


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2012-04-29 02:22:52 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: So instead of spending 15 years raising a respectful child, the dad takes 15 minutes to embarrass the kid under the guise of "good parenting". Hope the dad has fun being put in a home in a few years.


What would you with your authoritative experience do instead?
 
2012-04-29 02:23:12 PM  

phalaeo: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I know, right? What kind of parent allows their kid to talk to them like that? I would have gotten an ass-whooping if I told one of my parents to DIAF.

/and I've gotten my mouth washed out with soap
//that shiat's disgusting :/


The next time their kid tells them to DIAF, they should pour gasoline on their kid and light it on fire, then shout "HOW DOES IT FEEL? HUH? HOW DOES IT FEEL?" until the kid stops moving.

No respect for authority these days, I tell you.
 
2012-04-29 02:24:09 PM  

GoldSpider: SN1987a goes boom: So instead of spending 15 years raising a respectful child, the dad takes 15 minutes to embarrass the kid under the guise of "good parenting". Hope the dad has fun being put in a home in a few years.

What would you with your authoritative experience do instead?


I dunno about SN1987a, but I would have raped the kid to death with a belt-sander live on national TV.
 
2012-04-29 02:24:41 PM  
Quandria...hahahahahaha LOVE IT LOL
 
2012-04-29 02:25:22 PM  

ialdabaoth: Why should anyone believe that? And even if it were true, why should anyone care? And even if anyone cared, why should it matter?


Why should it matter? Then why are you spewing vitriol in my direction while playing the compassion angle? Truly, nearly all of your attacks on me have been personal and ad hominem, rather than attacks on the position I have taken.

You are what you despise.
 
2012-04-29 02:26:59 PM  

Joshudan: "my parents failed me and all I got was this stupid sign"

My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly. The parents will get over it.


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2012-04-29 02:27:37 PM  

GoldSpider: SN1987a goes boom: So instead of spending 15 years raising a respectful child, the dad takes 15 minutes to embarrass the kid under the guise of "good parenting". Hope the dad has fun being put in a home in a few years.

What would you with your authoritative experience do instead?


It doesn't matter. Self-righteousness does not require someone to offer a more appropriate remedy, it only requires a keyboard and a certainty that whatever you do with your own children you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-04-29 02:27:40 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: Why should anyone believe that? And even if it were true, why should anyone care? And even if anyone cared, why should it matter?

Why should it matter? Then why are you spewing vitriol in my direction while playing the compassion angle? Truly, nearly all of your attacks on me have been personal and ad hominem, rather than attacks on the position I have taken.

You are what you despise.


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2012-04-29 02:27:43 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Why should it matter? Then why are you spewing vitriol in my direction while playing the compassion angle? Truly, nearly all of your attacks on me have been personal and ad hominem, rather than attacks on the position I have taken.


Because "what are you going to do about it"?

You are what you despise.

And?
 
2012-04-29 02:28:26 PM  
"15-year-old has to wear two-sided sign that reads, 'I have a bad attitude. I disrespect people who try to help me'"

So.. just like 99% of 15 year olds out there huh?

"Oh no I was different at that age"

No you weren't.
 
2012-04-29 02:28:48 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: Quandria...hahahahahaha LOVE IT LOL


It's like I'm really reading Youtube comments.
 
2012-04-29 02:28:59 PM  

rogue_L_chick: Before my high school years went to hell in a handbasket and I R-U-N-N O-F-T, I was a smart-mouthed little shiat. My parents decided that essays were the way to go. If I exhibited undesireable behavior, it usually came with an ass-whipping and then it was off to my room to write however many pages on what I did, why I did it, what I should have done and what I was going to do next time. Hated it with a passion, but it did force me to think things over and my writing skills ended up pretty decent, for a high school kid.

I do the same to my 12 y/o. More for crap like not doing homework, though...never had a real "disrespet" issue. Then again, I can't think of a time where I actually demanded he respect me...it's just not something I say, really. It used to really frustrate me when my dad screamed at me to "respect" him, when all I could do was stand there and count off in my head all the reasons I didn't.


seriously... i can't think of a single time my father "demanded respect" from me... it was just a given because, well - he was a respectable guy.

My wife's father, on the other hand, who used to beat the shiat out of them for little or no reason, would demand that all the time... and still gets extremely pissed off he feels like he's being "disrespected" by someone.

Well - guess what, asshole - you're not a respectable person and people respond in kind.

A right is something that can't be taken away, not something that's given. And respect sure as hell isn't a right....

sorry. rant
 
2012-04-29 02:29:33 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: ialdabaoth: Salt Lick Steady:

Dude, I'm an experienced dog handler and am quite familiar with positive conditioning. However, for some animals this simply does not work. It just doesn't. Some dogs will never understand that they can chew on the stuffed bumble bee but not your leather shoes. No matter how much 'nudging.' For such animals, a bit of negative reinforcement is occasionally necessary.

Or, you take the dog to the vet, give it one little injection, and now you have room in your life for a dog that doesn't act like that.

Yep. Just dope up the dog, rather than incorporating some negative reinforcement. You advocate doping up the child too?


I think euthanization was more likely the outcome of said injection. Probably already been addressed but I like to show off my interpretation skillz.

/just kidd..nah
 
2012-04-29 02:32:24 PM  

Pathman: rogue_L_chick: Before my high school years went to hell in a handbasket and I R-U-N-N O-F-T, I was a smart-mouthed little shiat. My parents decided that essays were the way to go. If I exhibited undesireable behavior, it usually came with an ass-whipping and then it was off to my room to write however many pages on what I did, why I did it, what I should have done and what I was going to do next time. Hated it with a passion, but it did force me to think things over and my writing skills ended up pretty decent, for a high school kid.

I do the same to my 12 y/o. More for crap like not doing homework, though...never had a real "disrespet" issue. Then again, I can't think of a time where I actually demanded he respect me...it's just not something I say, really. It used to really frustrate me when my dad screamed at me to "respect" him, when all I could do was stand there and count off in my head all the reasons I didn't.

seriously... i can't think of a single time my father "demanded respect" from me... it was just a given because, well - he was a respectable guy.

My wife's father, on the other hand, who used to beat the shiat out of them for little or no reason, would demand that all the time... and still gets extremely pissed off he feels like he's being "disrespected" by someone.

Well - guess what, asshole - you're not a respectable person and people respond in kind.

A right is something that can't be taken away, not something that's given. And respect sure as hell isn't a right....

sorry. rant


This. People who must "demand" respect almost universally do not deserve it.
 
2012-04-29 02:33:08 PM  

Mavent: t's interesting that people who call themselves things like "Eidola" are whining about this girl's name, but it's hardly unique. A simple Google search shows hundreds, if not thousands of people with that name.


Whining? More like making a joke, which obviously you didn't get.
 
2012-04-29 02:33:29 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We're really sick of all the sociopaths


I'm a sociopath for calling you out on your bullshiat? "All the kids I knew who were shamed turned out to be drug addicts!" Then several posts later, "Well, it was only two, and I'm not going to give any details..."

And you excoriate me for insulting someone who asked a stupid question? You are the problem. Not me.
 
2012-04-29 02:34:24 PM  
I love these threads. There's always the same cast of characters:

* People without children who should never have them (If I had children you can bet they'd never behave this way, because I know more from being a child than you do from being a parent.)
* People with children who think their kids can do no wrong (I have kids and because I'm a great parent they would never do anything to merit punishment because they're perfect and I'm perfect and don't you dare point out that my kids are why no one wants to fly or shop at the grocery store during the day.)
* People who hate children and those who have them (Stupid breeders, they should all be put somewhere out of sight so my hipster ass doesn't have to be confronted with the fact that some people have children.)
* A few people who recognize that not every child is the same or can be taught the same way and will applaud the attempt of a parent to be responsible even if they're not always successful (these people will always be shouted down by the judgemental nitwits).
* Trolls.
 
2012-04-29 02:35:46 PM  

LivefromGA: I think euthanization was more likely the outcome of said injection.


Yeah, sorry, I don't think that way. My girl is a rescue who was a day away from the shot. She's a pain in the ass sometimes, but I love her dearly and really can't imagine life without her.
 
2012-04-29 02:36:27 PM  
Cyclometh:
* A few people who recognize that not every child is the same or can be taught the same way and will applaud the attempt of a parent to be responsible even if they're not always successful (these people will always be

Which, after a few months of exposure to everyone else, become:

* Trolls.
 
2012-04-29 02:36:37 PM  

Cyclometh: I love these threads. There's always the same cast of characters:

* People without children who should never have them (If I had children you can bet they'd never behave this way, because I know more from being a child than you do from being a parent.)
* People with children who think their kids can do no wrong (I have kids and because I'm a great parent they would never do anything to merit punishment because they're perfect and I'm perfect and don't you dare point out that my kids are why no one wants to fly or shop at the grocery store during the day.)
* People who hate children and those who have them (Stupid breeders, they should all be put somewhere out of sight so my hipster ass doesn't have to be confronted with the fact that some people have children.)
* A few people who recognize that not every child is the same or can be taught the same way and will applaud the attempt of a parent to be responsible even if they're not always successful (these people will always be shouted down by the judgemental nitwits).
* Trolls.


That's a pretty good synopsis. Favorited.
 
2012-04-29 02:37:07 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: LivefromGA: I think euthanization was more likely the outcome of said injection.

Yeah, sorry, I don't think that way. My girl is a rescue who was a day away from the shot. She's a pain in the ass sometimes, but I love her dearly and really can't imagine life without her.


Sounds like you need a cop to come shoot your dog.
 
2012-04-29 02:37:15 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: I would be deeply concerned if my 15-year-old kid was respectful and had a good attitude. Teenagers are supposed to be annoying as hell.

/nothing wrong with the punishment - you spank a 4-year-old for misbehaving, but you're not surprised the 4-year-old misbehaved. I mean, it's a four-year-old. Same story here.



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2012-04-29 02:40:52 PM  

Joshudan: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I pick my battles. Talking back to me isnt one of the things that concerns me.


Yeah, teaching children to be respectful is overrated, and serves no function in helping them integrate into society.

I'm glad you're not obligating them to show respect to anyone.
 
2012-04-29 02:41:55 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We're really sick of all the sociopaths

I'm a sociopath for calling you out on your bullshiat? "All the kids I knew who were shamed turned out to be drug addicts!" Then several posts later, "Well, it was only two, and I'm not going to give any details..."

And you excoriate me for insulting someone who asked a stupid question? You are the problem. Not me.


You keep proving my initial point over and over and over. Thanks.
 
2012-04-29 02:46:05 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We're really sick of all the sociopaths

I'm a sociopath for calling you out on your bullshiat? "All the kids I knew who were shamed turned out to be drug addicts!" Then several posts later, "Well, it was only two, and I'm not going to give any details..."

And you excoriate me for insulting someone who asked a stupid question? You are the problem. Not me.

You keep proving my initial point over and over and over. Thanks.


You mean your initial point that the two people you claimed to have known, without any supporting detail, turned out drug addled and behaviorally challenged? I mean truly, I know it hurts to be so shamed by making a stupid statement, but claiming that I am a malfunctioning individual despite my accomplishments is just desperate.
 
2012-04-29 02:46:24 PM  
According to another article on the incident, Quandria's crime was sympathizing with the Geth.
 
2012-04-29 02:46:35 PM  

Liberal_With_a_Gun: Why is it always the people who talk about how much they were beaten/shamed as punishment and "they turned out fine?" who, uh...didn't.


I don't know but I know I sure as hell didn't turn out anywhere close to normal or "fine" because of the terrible way my father was and I know this. The only reason I know taking their shiat away works is because my mom did it and it works. She was never into the shaming thing like tfa but she did like to let me know whenever she felt disappointed in me if I acted like an asshole. She's never demanded my respect but she certainly has it massive quantities.
 
2012-04-29 02:49:46 PM  

born_yesterday: Joshudan: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I pick my battles. Talking back to me isnt one of the things that concerns me.

Yeah, teaching children to be respectful is overrated, and serves no function in helping them integrate into society.

I'm glad you're not obligating them to show respect to anyone.


No one is ever "obligated" to show respect to anyone unless there is a power disparity involved.

You do not "respect" people. You respect power. This "respecting people" horseshiat is the same sort of feel-good hippy farkball that gives us all this "workers' rights" and "gay rights" and "womens' rights" and "children's rights" BS. The REAL WORLD is a hierarchy, where strong powerful men get what they want and pussies suck shiat and pretend to like it. Their tears make real men harder when they fark them up the ass for being too weak to stop them.
 
2012-04-29 02:50:12 PM  

Somacandra: Should've had a sign that said "I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and big butt and my butt smells and I like to kiss my own butt."


That would indeed have been Moe effective.

/oh god I'm so sorry
 
2012-04-29 02:50:27 PM  
She is going to kill herself within the week.
 
2012-04-29 02:52:55 PM  

fisker: She is going to kill herself within the week.


Mission accomplished, then?
 
2012-04-29 02:54:26 PM  

ialdabaoth: born_yesterday: Joshudan: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I pick my battles. Talking back to me isnt one of the things that concerns me.

Yeah, teaching children to be respectful is overrated, and serves no function in helping them integrate into society.

I'm glad you're not obligating them to show respect to anyone.

No one is ever "obligated" to show respect to anyone unless there is a power disparity involved.

You do not "respect" people. You respect power. This "respecting people" horseshiat is the same sort of feel-good hippy farkball that gives us all this "workers' rights" and "gay rights" and "womens' rights" and "children's rights" BS. The REAL WORLD is a hierarchy, where strong powerful men get what they want and pussies suck shiat and pretend to like it. Their tears make real men harder when they fark them up the ass for being too weak to stop them.


Your healthy, positive world view is an inspiration to us all, ialdabaoth!

Personally, I'm going to have an extra kid, probably the first one. Man, when they screw up, I'm gonna gather all the other kids together and make them watch me just beat that bastard until they're shiatting out teeth for a month like some demented advent calendar. So what if I lose that one making a point, the other kids will be so well behaved they'll make the Amish look like Black Sabbath.
 
2012-04-29 02:58:36 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We're really sick of all the sociopaths

I'm a sociopath for calling you out on your bullshiat? "All the kids I knew who were shamed turned out to be drug addicts!" Then several posts later, "Well, it was only two, and I'm not going to give any details..."

And you excoriate me for insulting someone who asked a stupid question? You are the problem. Not me.

You keep proving my initial point over and over and over. Thanks.

You mean your initial point that the two people you claimed to have known, without any supporting detail, turned out drug addled and behaviorally challenged? I mean truly, I know it hurts to be so shamed by making a stupid statement, but claiming that I am a malfunctioning individual despite my accomplishments is just desperate.


I said 2 people sarcastically. Either way, its just an anecdotal observation and certainly not a clinical statistic.

And I don't know if your Fark persona is schtick, but it comes off as very hostile, overly defensive, and juvenile. And you're a lawyer, congratulations. One of my best friends graduated cum laude from Georgetown, but he decided to start a punk label instead of practicing, so let's just say having your JD isn't something I consider to be a significant accomplishment.

Either way, its been an interesting exchange, best of luck to you.
 
2012-04-29 02:59:33 PM  

ialdabaoth: What's so goddamn special about being 'human'?


In your case, not a lot.
 
2012-04-29 02:59:40 PM  

Cyclometh: I love these threads. There's always the same cast of characters:

* People without children who should never have them (If I had children you can bet they'd never behave this way, because I know more from being a child than you do from being a parent.)
* People with children who think their kids can do no wrong (I have kids and because I'm a great parent they would never do anything to merit punishment because they're perfect and I'm perfect and don't you dare point out that my kids are why no one wants to fly or shop at the grocery store during the day.)
* People who hate children and those who have them (Stupid breeders, they should all be put somewhere out of sight so my hipster ass doesn't have to be confronted with the fact that some people have children.)
* A few people who recognize that not every child is the same or can be taught the same way and will applaud the attempt of a parent to be responsible even if they're not always successful (these people will always be shouted down by the judgemental nitwits).
* Trolls.


you forgot one:

*posts such as this one that make these threads lots of fun to read
 
2012-04-29 02:59:51 PM  

born_yesterday: ialdabaoth:

You do not "respect" people. You respect power. This "respecting people" horseshiat is the same sort of feel-good hippy farkball that gives us all this "workers' rights" and "gay rights" and "womens' rights" and "children's rights" BS. The REAL WORLD is a hierarchy, where strong powerful men get what they want and pussies suck shiat and pretend to like it. Their tears make real men harder when they fark them up the ass for being too weak to stop them.

Your healthy, positive world view is an inspiration to us all, ialdabaoth!


I never said anything about "healthy" or "positive". This is what you get. You fark up your culture enough, these are the consequences. You can't turn around now and say "oh, no, we never wanted this!" fark it. You broke it, you farking bought it.

Personally, I'm going to have an extra kid, probably the first one. Man, when they screw up, I'm gonna gather all the other kids together and make them watch me just beat that bastard until they're shiatting out teeth for a month like some demented advent calendar. So what if I lose that one making a point, the other kids will be so well behaved they'll make the Amish look like Black Sabbath.

That's actually a reasonably well-documented strategy. It's the whole "A Boy Named 'It'" schtick. It happens all the time, actually - you wind up with a family where, for some inexplicable reason, everyone but one kid is treated moderately passably, and are encouraged to just devastate that one kid in some weird family game of "smear the queer" that never stops.

Most of the time everyone but the 'queer' turn out reasonably okay, and understand power dynamics and proper authoritarian behavior a hell of a lot better than any of us do.
 
2012-04-29 03:00:53 PM  

Mavent: ialdabaoth: What's so goddamn special about being 'human'?

In your case, not a lot.


Exactly. But since you can't come beat the shiat out of me, we both get to play 'internet tough guy' at each other until we feel better about it.

Isn't technology wonderful?
 
2012-04-29 03:02:22 PM  

Cyclometh: * Trolls.



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2012-04-29 03:03:11 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: She should make her own sign that reads:
MY PARENTS NAMED ME QUANDRIA!
YOU'RE DAMNED RIGHT I HAVE A BAD ATTITUDE!


That.

There are more ways to fark up your kids, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your Fark posts.

I came from a "perfectly normal" middle-class background and became a drug-addled prostitute--OK, just a drug-addled promiscuous drunk bum. You may be saying to yourself, "But, cryinoutloud, it must not have been so normal."

Of course it wasn't. But if you guys think that every form of abuse is obvious and readily observable, I have some child psychology books to sell you. Because THOSE are legit.
 
2012-04-29 03:03:35 PM  

ialdabaoth: Mavent: ialdabaoth: What's so goddamn special about being 'human'?

In your case, not a lot.

Exactly. But since you can't come beat the shiat out of me, we both get to play 'internet tough guy' at each other until we feel better about it.

Isn't technology wonderful?


The simple fact is that you're suffering from a bad case of "I'm intellectually 12 years old, and I'm here to show you all how indifferent I am to everything-itis." But worse than that, you're a boring little douchebag. You can't even come up with anything originally stupid to say, so you just spout the same old tired idiocy that every useless dickbag before you has said.
 
2012-04-29 03:05:01 PM  
> The simple fact is that you're suffering from a bad case of "I'm intellectually 12 years old, and I'm here to show you all how indifferent I am to everything-itis." But worse than that, you're a boring little douchebag. You can't even come up with anything originally stupid to say, so you just spout the same old tired idiocy that every useless dickbag before you has said.

This is precisely true. This is more precisely true than you can possibly imagine.
 
2012-04-29 03:05:26 PM  
1 The father was interviewed
2 The video of the story is on the site as well
3 It is a TV station not a newspaper
4 How else can you punish a teenager that won't listen and talks back with out ending up in jail
 
2012-04-29 03:05:28 PM  

ialdabaoth: The REAL WORLD is a hierarchy, where strong powerful men get what they want and pussies suck shiat and pretend to like it.


Exhibit #1.
 
2012-04-29 03:05:41 PM  

ialdabaoth: Most of the time everyone but the 'queer' turn out reasonably okay, and understand power dynamics and proper authoritarian behavior a hell of a lot better than any of us do.


What if the whole situation is reversed though? Only the bastard beating everyone comes out reasonably sane and everyone else in the family understands what a totalitarian dictatorship is like better than alot of people?
 
2012-04-29 03:06:17 PM  

Mavent: ialdabaoth: The REAL WORLD is a hierarchy, where strong powerful men get what they want and pussies suck shiat and pretend to like it.

Exhibit #1.


Ding!
 
2012-04-29 03:07:26 PM  

A Terrible Human: ialdabaoth: Most of the time everyone but the 'queer' turn out reasonably okay, and understand power dynamics and proper authoritarian behavior a hell of a lot better than any of us do.

What if the whole situation is reversed though? Only the bastard beating everyone comes out reasonably sane and everyone else in the family understands what a totalitarian dictatorship is like better than alot of people?


That's... what I just said?

"Totalitarian dictatorship", "proper authoritarian behavior"... 'tomayto', 'tomahto'.
 
2012-04-29 03:10:27 PM  

ialdabaoth: That's... what I just said?

"Totalitarian dictatorship", "proper authoritarian behavior"... 'tomayto', 'tomahto'.



Meh I'm tired but I'm more read your post as one person in the family taking all the shiat instead of everyone but one person getting it because that one person is dishing it out.
 
2012-04-29 03:13:17 PM  
I want off of this planet.

At least the parent(s) here are trying something. Anything short of physical violence. And I don't mean spanking. Misspelled sign, funny name, whatever, somebody is trying something to make this kid a better person. Everyone else biatching about it does not live in that house under those rules and has no say. So spare me.
 
2012-04-29 03:14:21 PM  
Squashed her peer group interface dynamics like a bug.
Need more parents like this, at least he didn't beat her like a rented mule.
 
2012-04-29 03:14:27 PM  
Meh I'm tired but I'm more read your post as one person in the family taking all the shiat instead of everyone but one person getting it because that one person is dishing it out.

Both are possible scenarios, and both happen with alarming regularity.
 
2012-04-29 03:14:36 PM  

ialdabaoth: fisker: She is going to kill herself within the week.

Mission accomplished, then?


How's your wife and my kids?
 
2012-04-29 03:14:48 PM  

A Terrible Human: ialdabaoth: That's... what I just said?

"Totalitarian dictatorship", "proper authoritarian behavior"... 'tomayto', 'tomahto'.


Meh I'm tired but I'm more read your post as one person in the family taking all the shiat instead of everyone but one person getting it because that one person is dishing it out.


Although the effects are a bit dated, I'd highly recommend the movie The Shining for its commentary on effective parenting. It really highlights the benefits of running a family without compromising one's own needs, and getting respect while doing it.
 
2012-04-29 03:16:05 PM  

fisker: ialdabaoth: fisker: She is going to kill herself within the week.

Mission accomplished, then?

How's your wife and my kids?


I never married.
 
2012-04-29 03:17:34 PM  

ialdabaoth: Both are possible scenarios, and both happen with alarming regularity.


Yeah I know and it's a shiatty way to grow up.

born_yesterday: Although the effects are a bit dated, I'd highly recommend the movie The Shining for its commentary on effective parenting. It really highlights the benefits of running a family without compromising one's own needs, and getting respect while doing it.


Pfft the book is better. He beats his own face in with a mallet,then the hotel explodes and also the cool telepathic cook doesn't get an axe in the back.
 
2012-04-29 03:18:13 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: And I don't know if your Fark persona is schtick, but it comes off as very hostile, overly defensive, and juvenile. And you're a lawyer, congratulations. One of my best friends graduated cum laude from Georgetown, but he decided to start a punk label instead of practicing, so let's just say having your JD isn't something I consider to be a significant accomplishment.

Either way, its been an interesting exchange, best of luck to you.


You really don't see yourself, do you? You call me sociopathic and several other names, you exclaim how you don't think my degree is much of an accomplishment, and you call me juvenile. Then you finish it with a disingenuous "best of luck." Look in the mirror.
 
2012-04-29 03:19:56 PM  

PainfulItching: I want off of this planet.

At least the parent(s) here are trying something. Anything short of physical violence. And I don't mean spanking. Misspelled sign, funny name, whatever, somebody is trying something to make this kid a better person. Everyone else biatching about it does not live in that house under those rules and has no say. So spare me.


We DO have a say, because these horribly ineffective parents are releasing their children on society as a whole, and they end in the court system, in prison, on treatment centers, on welfare, etc... at a huge cost to working adults.
 
2012-04-29 03:20:18 PM  

A Terrible Human: ialdabaoth: Both are possible scenarios, and both happen with alarming regularity.

Yeah I know and it's a shiatty way to grow up.


I almost said "I don't know, I turned out okay" - but that would pop the bubble, wouldn't it?
 
2012-04-29 03:20:22 PM  
Has salt lick mentioned she's a lawyer? Cuz she is, just so you know..
 
2012-04-29 03:21:57 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: PainfulItching: I want off of this planet.

At least the parent(s) here are trying something. Anything short of physical violence. And I don't mean spanking. Misspelled sign, funny name, whatever, somebody is trying something to make this kid a better person. Everyone else biatching about it does not live in that house under those rules and has no say. So spare me.

We DO have a say, because these horribly ineffective parents are releasing their children on society as a whole, and they end in the court system, in prison, on treatment centers, on welfare, etc... at a huge cost to working adults.


How the hell is that us having a say? We have an interest, because we don't want this to happen, but we have no say. Christ, you're like a goldfish drowning on the floor, praying to yourself "I need water! Water must be coming soon because I need it! I couldn't possibly die, water will come soon!"

Newsflash: The universe has NO obligation to give you any power over things, just because they affect you.
 
2012-04-29 03:23:56 PM  

cookiefleck: Has salt lick mentioned she's a lawyer? Cuz she is, just so you know..



This is precisely why I started my little FARK stand-up routine this morning - I have finally run out of ability to take anyone's shiat seriously. No one pays attention to anything, no one cares about anything but their own little bubble of thought, and everyone is just talking past each other. So why the fark bother to communicate at all?
 
2012-04-29 03:24:13 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: And I don't know if your Fark persona is schtick, but it comes off as very hostile, overly defensive, and juvenile. And you're a lawyer, congratulations. One of my best friends graduated cum laude from Georgetown, but he decided to start a punk label instead of practicing, so let's just say having your JD isn't something I consider to be a significant accomplishment.

Either way, its been an interesting exchange, best of luck to you.

You really don't see yourself, do you? You call me sociopathic and several other names, you exclaim how you don't think my degree is much of an accomplishment, and you call me juvenile. Then you finish it with a disingenuous "best of luck." Look in the mirror.


Your Fark persona seems a bit sociopathic. That's not ad hominim, that's a a general observation. I have no idea if you're anything like your Fark persona. I kinda hope not.

Either way, we disagree. I think that parenting such as demonstrated in the article is not a solution, but a symptom of a larger issue of poor/ineffectual parenting. And you don't. I don't expect either of us will change the others mind, so there's nothing left to say. Best of luck to you.
 
2012-04-29 03:24:30 PM  
I saw a Quandria in the wild during my trip to New Guinea.
My favorite PC game by Sierra was Quandria IV: The King's Gold.
 
2012-04-29 03:24:41 PM  
http://wcti.m0bl.net/w/video/video/59758465/
Here is the video of the story
 
2012-04-29 03:25:03 PM  
Quandria, why, why, why, do black parents give farked up names to kids?

I was at the grocery store once and a black lady said to her daughter "come on Essence". I asked her, if essence was something smelly or stinky, she got this funny look on her face and said "you know, a few people has tolden me that". I just walked away shaking my head.
 
2012-04-29 03:25:55 PM  

cookiefleck: Has salt lick mentioned


Sorry, I didn't mean to press that point in particular.
 
2012-04-29 03:27:53 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: PainfulItching: I want off of this planet.

At least the parent(s) here are trying something. Anything short of physical violence. And I don't mean spanking. Misspelled sign, funny name, whatever, somebody is trying something to make this kid a better person. Everyone else biatching about it does not live in that house under those rules and has no say. So spare me.

We DO have a say, because these horribly ineffective parents are releasing their children on society as a whole, and they end in the court system, in prison, on treatment centers, on welfare, etc... at a huge cost to working adults.


Horribly ineffective - kid seems to be clothed, properly, I might add, well fed, not obese, knows enough not to walk in the middle of the road, only one misspelled word on a sign (which could have been her little bit of rebellion put back into this), performing punishment for breaking some kind of rule.

Nope, don't see it. And I'm as liberal as they get, before you try to guess which way I sway.
 
2012-04-29 03:28:31 PM  

I agree with you: Quandria, why, why, why, do black parents give farked up names to kids?

I was at the grocery store once and a black lady said to her daughter "come on Essence". I asked her, if essence was something smelly or stinky, she got this funny look on her face and said "you know, a few people has tolden me that". I just walked away shaking my head.


They choose those names because they think they're "ethnic" even though they're just ethnic-sounding. Sort of like if someone of German heritage named their child Spritzen or Dintelhaas. It's not an actual ethnic German name, but it sounds kinda like it could be.
 
2012-04-29 03:30:01 PM  

ialdabaoth: I almost said "I don't know, I turned out okay" - but that would pop the bubble, wouldn't it?


Nah the internet isn't serious business to me though I do find talking about things like this to be rather helpful. Better than fake pity at any rate.
 
2012-04-29 03:31:59 PM  

PainfulItching: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: PainfulItching: I want off of this planet.

At least the parent(s) here are trying something. Anything short of physical violence. And I don't mean spanking. Misspelled sign, funny name, whatever, somebody is trying something to make this kid a better person. Everyone else biatching about it does not live in that house under those rules and has no say. So spare me.

We DO have a say, because these horribly ineffective parents are releasing their children on society as a whole, and they end in the court system, in prison, on treatment centers, on welfare, etc... at a huge cost to working adults.

Horribly ineffective - kid seems to be clothed, properly, I might add, well fed, not obese, knows enough not to walk in the middle of the road, only one misspelled word on a sign (which could have been her little bit of rebellion put back into this), performing punishment for breaking some kind of rule.

Nope, don't see it. And I'm as liberal as they get, before you try to guess which way I sway.


Yeah, clothed, fed, and only slightly illiterate. I guess I have a unrealistically high standard for successful parenting if those are the only necessary qualifiers.
 
2012-04-29 03:32:37 PM  
This thread has devolved past the point of stupidity, but I'd love to apply to fark internet law school.. I'm sure it's conveniently located upstairs, right above fark's internet school of gynecology & women's studies.
 
2012-04-29 03:35:13 PM  
Didn't anybody notice the amusing headline next to the story?

Obi Wan Kenobi arrested
 
2012-04-29 03:36:52 PM  

cookiefleck: This thread has devolved past the point of stupidity, but I'd love to apply to fark internet law school.. I'm sure it's conveniently located upstairs, right above fark's internet school of gynecology & women's studies.


It only took 262 attempts, but finally, someone said something both smart and funny. Man, what a sour thread this is.
 
2012-04-29 03:36:56 PM  

cookiefleck: This thread has devolved past the point of stupidity, but I'd love to apply to fark internet law school.. I'm sure it's conveniently located upstairs, right above fark's internet school of gynecology & women's studies.


-30-
 
2012-04-29 03:37:21 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I pick my battles. Talking back to me isnt one of the things that concerns me.

Just curious... what does concern you?


Im concerned with physical aggression, public outbursts, petting babies or small children, threatening strangers (especially people in uniforms). Oh and the proper use of the apostrophe. That is huge for me.
 
2012-04-29 03:38:58 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: Didn't anybody notice the amusing headline next to the story?

Obi Wan Kenobi arrested


Every day I thank God my name is Dave. If my parents did nothing else right they at least gave me a name with dignity.
 
2012-04-29 03:39:12 PM  

Joshudan: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I pick my battles. Talking back to me isnt one of the things that concerns me.

Just curious... what does concern you?

Im concerned with physical aggression, public outbursts, petting babies or small children, threatening strangers (especially people in uniforms). Oh and the proper use of the apostrophe. That is huge for me.


Yeah, we can tell.
 
2012-04-29 03:40:42 PM  

Joshudan: Oh and the proper use of the apostrophe. That is huge for me.


Heh, my mother was huge on the proper use of 'who' versus 'that'. If I had a nickel for every time she said "The person WHO! The person WHO went to the grocery store!!!"
 
2012-04-29 03:43:37 PM  

cookiefleck: This thread has devolved past the point of stupidity, but I'd love to apply to fark internet law school.. I'm sure it's conveniently located upstairs, right above fark's internet school of gynecology & women's studies.


No, it's a van ride away. There's free candy. You in?
 
2012-04-29 03:51:29 PM  

sallys: Yeah, 15. What else?


And that's part of the problem right there. 15-year-olds are supossed to be learning NOT to act like that, not being forgiven because they are 15.
 
2012-04-29 03:56:38 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: cookiefleck: I'm starting to believe I'm the only child raised in the 80's/90's that got a swift painful ass smack whenever I got "fresh"

Oh, no. You're definitely not the only one. I also got the soap in the mouth thing, but mine came with a twist: my mom used SoftSoap to make it extra memorable. It worked.


I'm from the opposite camp. My divorced mother (to her retrospective credit) was too busy working to do much hands-on parenting, with the completely unsurprising result that my brother and I got into stupid shiat on a pretty regular basis. Fortunately nothing too serious, but more for a lack of imagination than effort.

Today, as a single father, I know the potential risks of that parenting approach and assidously manage my work responsibilities so that oversignt of my daughter comes first. I know all of her friends their parents. I know all of her teachers and make it a point to touch base with them on a regular basis. And while I'm not big on physical punishment (in no small part because she saw enough violence when her mother was in the house), she knows that I will not hesitate to start laying on the consequences if she doesn't meet her responsibilities to herself, her family, and her community.

Kids do stupid shiat. That's kind of their job, especially as they get older. And that's why they have parents: to call them on it and do their best to set them straight.

My daughter's going on 13 so I know this won't last much longer, but right now there's nothing more earthshattering to her than to know she's dissapointed me. Because she knows I love and respect her, and that's at least marginally more important than acting like a damn fool.

/disclaimer: I spoil the hell out of her
//she's worth it
 
2012-04-29 03:59:51 PM  

Pathman: Somacandra:
I'm inclined to think if there isn't at least some resentment against your parents for disciplining you, you probably aren't successfully socialized. You need your resentment as proof of your agency and willpower, and you also need your discipline to know when it needs to be controlled and harnessed. Virtue is a often a mean between two extremes of vice and people need training to condition the conscience to act toward the mean in the absence of immediate external authorities. Resentment against your parents is not evidence per se of bad parenting.


whatever. my dad was a HUGE idiot when i was 15. now he's one of my best friends. it's amazing how much he has learned and grown in the past 15 years. it's like he's a new man entirely.


"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years." - Mark Twain
 
2012-04-29 04:07:54 PM  
On a related note, doing a GIS for "Quandria" comes up with a new muppet character:

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/picture links to a story about another Quandria.
 
2012-04-29 04:14:40 PM  

Lsherm: On a related note, doing a GIS for "Quandria" comes up with a new muppet character:

[img28.imageshack.us image 450x337]

/picture links to a story about another Quandria.


I was thinking the name "Quandria" was something of a public service. After all, if her peers want to use the obvious "quandary" taunt, they first need to know what a quandary is. I'd imagine that'd be quite a step up in the vocabulary department for most of them. She encourages learning.
 
2012-04-29 04:14:51 PM  

Stinkyy: Ok, great, but what if the girl didn't obey her father? Nothing he could do. Wonder what got her to comply with the punishment.


When my father was a junior and got to big for his britches and thought he could do what he wanted he came home one day to find his room emptied of all possessions, the door gone, and all his clothes replaced with t-shirts and jeans that had been freshly dyed pink. He was told he could either move out or stay and earn back the family's trust by acting like a decent human being. Parents have a lot of power, they just need to exercise it.
 
2012-04-29 04:17:49 PM  
"*Tsk* UNNNNuhhh! this TOTALLY doesn't go with my outfit! People are so mean! *Tsk* UNNNuhhh! I'm totally FB'ing this to my friends list and running away from home! *tsk* UNNNNuhhh!" Ah, teenaged girls. Everything starts working but their brains.
 
2012-04-29 04:42:12 PM  
More black parents should do this.

I applaud the Predator there...
 
2012-04-29 04:52:24 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: CasperImproved: Ever try to teach a puppy not to chew on things he/she shouldn't? You give them something they can acceptably chew on, and praise them when they do. When they go back to chewing on the wrong things, you nudge them back to the thing okay for them to chew on.

That is how life works....

I think I'm going to tag you as "Paints happy little trees"


/tags Salt Lick Steady as "smarmy, loveless, self-important prick"
 
2012-04-29 04:57:33 PM  
So what's the over-under on this being the first of many streets that Quandria walks?
 
2012-04-29 04:58:53 PM  

mcjam: Salt Lick Steady: CasperImproved: Ever try to teach a puppy not to chew on things he/she shouldn't? You give them something they can acceptably chew on, and praise them when they do. When they go back to chewing on the wrong things, you nudge them back to the thing okay for them to chew on.

That is how life works....

I think I'm going to tag you as "Paints happy little trees"

/tags Salt Lick Steady as "smarmy, loveless, self-important prick"


It's amazing to me how many people who scream "personal responsibility" and "actions have consequences" in other threads are in here decrying someone being forced to take responsibility for their actions and suffering consequences. Then you all decide to jump SLS for pointing it out. It's funny as hell seeing the mental contortions you're willing to use to justify "it's wrong to hurt feelings!" here when you're all about it elsewhere.

You bunch of douchebags.
 
2012-04-29 05:04:05 PM  

Carousel Beast: mcjam: Salt Lick Steady: CasperImproved: Ever try to teach a puppy not to chew on things he/she shouldn't? You give them something they can acceptably chew on, and praise them when they do. When they go back to chewing on the wrong things, you nudge them back to the thing okay for them to chew on.

That is how life works....

I think I'm going to tag you as "Paints happy little trees"

/tags Salt Lick Steady as "smarmy, loveless, self-important prick"

It's amazing to me how many people who scream "personal responsibility" and "actions have consequences" in other threads are in here decrying someone being forced to take responsibility for their actions and suffering consequences. Then you all decide to jump SLS for pointing it out. It's funny as hell seeing the mental contortions you're willing to use to justify "it's wrong to hurt feelings!" here when you're all about it elsewhere.

You bunch of douchebags.


Yeah, actions have consequences. When you fail as a parent, your daughter probably won't respet you, and you'll resort to forcing her to publicly humiliate herself, so everyone knows you're a big man who deserves respet.
 
2012-04-29 05:24:17 PM  
I can't believe no one has mentioned that her name is Quandria
 
2012-04-29 05:27:52 PM  

Pathman: phalaeo: Salt Lick Steady: Joshudan: My 14 year old tells me to DIAF pretty regularly.

Dude. What? Maybe because I was raised by a Marine and a teacher, but I would never get away with that without punishment. You just let him/her do that and brush it off?

I know, right? What kind of parent allows their kid to talk to them like that? I would have gotten an ass-whooping if I told one of my parents to DIAF.

/and I've gotten my mouth washed out with soap
//that shiat's disgusting :/

[www.misfittoys.net image 600x340]

/highly obscure


Next, you'll tell me "Fra-jill-lee" is Italian.

/Somacandra wins the thread.
 
2012-04-29 05:30:20 PM