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2012-04-29 08:19:12 AM
Well, the TSA can never be too careful. You choose to wear the turbin, and you're going to be scrutinized. Racial profiling is acceptable when airplane safety is involved.
 
2012-04-29 08:29:14 AM
Next step? Internal passports. America has become the USSR and Russia is enroute to becoming first world.
 
2012-04-29 08:33:31 AM

DubyaHater: Well, the TSA can never be too careful. You choose to wear the turbin, and you're going to be scrutinized. Racial profiling is acceptable when airplane safety is involved.


Nothing they're doing is making flights safer. The liquid rules are protecting you from explosives that can't possibly be formulated during flight (TATP) and they have no way of detecting a rectum full of Semtex.

It's all theater for Ma and Pa Kettle
 
2012-04-29 08:50:17 AM

sinanju: The liquid rules are protecting you from explosives that can't possibly be formulated during flight (TATP)


Also various liquid explosives aren't the sort of thing you could get on a plane because they don't do well with being shaken, as they would be while being carried in a bag. They go boom.
 
2012-04-29 08:57:33 AM
The TSA have, in response, developed an app to laugh at the complaints and send them right through a virtual shredder.
 
2012-04-29 09:16:26 AM

sinanju: DubyaHater: Well, the TSA can never be too careful. You choose to wear the turbin, and you're going to be scrutinized. Racial profiling is acceptable when airplane safety is involved.

Nothing they're doing is making flights safer. The liquid rules...


Applying extra security "randomly" to people who "look like" terrorists is actually one of the less ridiculous things TSA does.
 
2012-04-29 09:23:28 AM

serial_crusher: sinanju: DubyaHater: Well, the TSA can never be too careful. You choose to wear the turbin, and you're going to be scrutinized. Racial profiling is acceptable when airplane safety is involved.

Nothing they're doing is making flights safer. The liquid rules...

Applying extra security "randomly" to people who "look like" terrorists is actually one of the less ridiculous things TSA does.


And when they do that,their procedures do nothing to keep flights safe from a bad guys who spend more than 15 minutes thinking of a plan.
 
2012-04-29 09:27:50 AM

serial_crusher: "look like"


Although this is one of the most ridiculous things that gets said everyday by useful idiots. Arizona is having a great time with it's immigration law and targeting people who "look like" illegal immigrants, for instance.

So, just to entertain us all, could you give us a quick list of famous Sikh terrorists?
 
2012-04-29 09:38:49 AM
I'd like to send a group of sihks to Fox News offices just so Juan Williams would crap his pants because he thinks he's under attack.
 
2012-04-29 09:43:46 AM

edmo: could you give us a quick list of famous Sikh terrorists?


Sikhs want to create a nation called Khalistan. They don't care where they create the nation. It could be in Northern India but Sikhs would be just as happy if Khalistan were carved out of Iowa.
 
2012-04-29 09:43:53 AM

edmo: serial_crusher: "look like"

Although this is one of the most ridiculous things that gets said everyday by useful idiots. Arizona is having a great time with it's immigration law and targeting people who "look like" illegal immigrants, for instance.

So, just to entertain us all, could you give us a quick list of famous Sikh terrorists?


Indira Gandhi was killed by her Sikh body guards. That's a pair off the top of my head. Your point is correct, though.
 
2012-04-29 09:49:58 AM

Muta: edmo: could you give us a quick list of famous Sikh terrorists?

Sikhs want to create a nation called Khalistan. They don't care where they create the nation. It could be in Northern India but Sikhs would be just as happy if Khalistan were carved out of Iowa.


And who did they blow up, shoot, stab or threaten in order to get the paperwork sped up? Wanting a country of your own isn't exactly terrorist behaviour.
 
2012-04-29 10:08:59 AM

DerAppie: Muta: edmo: could you give us a quick list of famous Sikh terrorists?

Sikhs want to create a nation called Khalistan. They don't care where they create the nation. It could be in Northern India but Sikhs would be just as happy if Khalistan were carved out of Iowa.

And who did they blow up, shoot, stab or threaten in order to get the paperwork sped up? Wanting a country of your own isn't exactly terrorist behaviour.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star
 
2012-04-29 10:11:26 AM

DerAppie: [...]


Having posted that, I should reiterate... I don't think singling out folks who "look like" terrorists is useful.
 
2012-04-29 10:19:24 AM

serial_crusher: sinanju: DubyaHater: Well, the TSA can never be too careful. You choose to wear the turbin, and you're going to be scrutinized. Racial profiling is acceptable when airplane safety is involved.

Nothing they're doing is making flights safer. The liquid rules...

Applying extra security "randomly" to people who "look like" terrorists is actually one of the less ridiculous things TSA does.


Too bad Sikhs don't look like terrorists.
 
2012-04-29 10:31:18 AM
So, what about Timothy McVeigh? Does this mean clean-shaven white males need to be subject to extra scrutiny? I mean, hey, it was the biggest terror attack on US soil at the time. Still sits at #2....

/add in tea partiers, militia members, extreme anti-abortionists...
 
2012-04-29 10:48:32 AM
Sounds like they're tired of all this sikh.
 
2012-04-29 10:54:19 AM

sinanju: DerAppie: Muta: edmo: could you give us a quick list of famous Sikh terrorists?

Sikhs want to create a nation called Khalistan. They don't care where they create the nation. It could be in Northern India but Sikhs would be just as happy if Khalistan were carved out of Iowa.

And who did they blow up, shoot, stab or threaten in order to get the paperwork sped up? Wanting a country of your own isn't exactly terrorist behaviour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star


Wasn't that part of a longer running conflict with some ethnic tensions en political grandstanding/oppression thrown in? The tensions led to the conflict and the wish for a country was based on the separate state they were promised within India somewhere in the 60s, but never got.
 
2012-04-29 10:56:46 AM
Sikhs are great people, but your turban gets searched. Suck it.
 
2012-04-29 11:03:46 AM

Click Click D'oh: Sikhs are great people, but your turban gets searched. Suck it.


Not one of these guys wore a turban:

Link^
 
2012-04-29 11:03:50 AM
going by near daily articles here on fark no one is immune from TSA treachery. we seen pics running the gamut from infants to senior citizens in wheelchairs getting the all-over. from the distant outside looking in it seems to me no one is immune if you want to fly teh friendly skies.
 
2012-04-29 11:20:05 AM

Arkanaut:
Not one of these guys wore a turban:

Link^


And your point is?
 
2012-04-29 11:27:07 AM
A Chinese friend of mine has been "randomly selected" for a search every single time he has ever been on a plane in the US. One time, all connecting passengers were asked to get off the plane because they were going to use a different plane for the next leg of the flight. He waited by the clerk's desk the entire time, and when the passengers were allowed onto the new plane, he was "randomly selected" again. Didn't matter that he was in their sight the entire time, and that he didn't actually do anything.
 
2012-04-29 11:39:06 AM
Those messages must get siphoned right into the proverbial 'desktop garbage can.'
 
2012-04-29 11:42:42 AM

Click Click D'oh: Arkanaut:
Not one of these guys wore a turban:

Link^

And your point is?


I think his point is that focusing security on people who "look like terrorists" is going to do nothing but let actual terrorists through.
 
2012-04-29 11:48:08 AM

HeartBurnKid: Click Click D'oh: Arkanaut:
Not one of these guys wore a turban:

Link^

And your point is?

I think his point is that focusing security on people who "look like terrorists" is going to do nothing but let actual terrorists through.


Well, looking for turbans specifically doesn't help, in any case.
 
2012-04-29 11:51:04 AM

Arkanaut: HeartBurnKid: Click Click D'oh: Arkanaut:
Not one of these guys wore a turban:

Link^

And your point is?

I think his point is that focusing security on people who "look like terrorists" is going to do nothing but let actual terrorists through.

Well, looking for turbans specifically doesn't help, in any case.


I see no indication that the TSAs policy specifies turbans only and not all headwear in general.

The TSA is a bunch of morons, but allowing potentially concealing headwear to pass without extra scrutiny would be stupidity. I would expect the same treatment if I walked through with a big western style hat on.
 
2012-04-29 11:59:55 AM

Muta: edmo: could you give us a quick list of famous Sikh terrorists?

Sikhs want to create a nation called Khalistan. They don't care where they create the nation. It could be in Northern India but Sikhs would be just as happy if Khalistan were carved out of Iowa.


By the by, Wiki-surfing about Sikhs just now, I discovered that South Carolina governor Nikki Haley is a born and raised Sikh. Where are the Khalistan conspiracy theories??? Internet, I am disappoint.
 
2012-04-29 12:18:50 PM

Arkanaut: HeartBurnKid: Click Click D'oh: Arkanaut:
Not one of these guys wore a turban:

Link^

And your point is?

I think his point is that focusing security on people who "look like terrorists" is going to do nothing but let actual terrorists through.

Well, looking for turbans specifically doesn't help, in any case.


OTOH, it could be an indicator that the wearer is an orthodox Sikh and follows the five Kakaars.

In reality, the TSA personnel are probably just making up for the times they had to travel through Toronto's L. B. Pearson airport back in the day when the Sikhs had the security concession. I've found the TSA to be charming and jovial by comparison.
 
2012-04-29 12:37:13 PM
Sikhs can fly? What do they do with their kirpans?

Seriously, some people just need to get over themselves. If your last name is Mohammed, expect a little extra scrutiny and adopt a good attitude about it. I know a Muslim with that last name and he has done so.
 
2012-04-29 12:49:34 PM

Happy Hours:
Seriously, some people just need to get over themselves. If your last name is Mohammed, expect a little extra scrutiny and adopt a good attitude about it. I know a Muslim with that last name and he has done so.


Your friend may choose to turn the other cheek. He shouldn't have to.

The fact that the TSA even cares about his name is another distraction. If everyone is properly screened, it doesn't matter who the hell any of them are. The fact of the matter is that the TSA had proper tools and couldn't maintain them. So, now we have imaging devices that have an unknown impact on the health of travellers that submit to them and you're not even allowed to know the maintenance schedule or standards. We're just supposed to trust that folks who couldn't maintain the safe machines can maintain the machines with unknown safety.
 
2012-04-29 01:00:55 PM

sinanju: DubyaHater: Well, the TSA can never be too careful. You choose to wear the turbin, and you're going to be scrutinized. Racial profiling is acceptable when airplane safety is involved.

Nothing they're doing is making flights safer. The liquid rules are protecting you from explosives that can't possibly be formulated during flight (TATP) and they have no way of detecting a rectum full of Semtex.

It's all theater for Ma and Pa Kettle


Less theater for the commoners than theater of protection against negligence lawsuits.
 
2012-04-29 01:44:11 PM
after she allowed extremists to destroy their most sacred temple...
 
2012-04-29 02:11:33 PM

Happy Hours: If your last name is Mohammed, expect a little extra scrutiny and adopt a good attitude about it.


You are what's wrong with America.
 
2012-04-29 02:46:07 PM
Sorry Sikh's, but you aren't the only victims of the TSA's ass-hattery.
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2012-04-29 03:09:42 PM

Vermicious Knids: Muta: edmo: could you give us a quick list of famous Sikh terrorists?

Sikhs want to create a nation called Khalistan. They don't care where they create the nation. It could be in Northern India but Sikhs would be just as happy if Khalistan were carved out of Iowa.

By the by, Wiki-surfing about Sikhs just now, I discovered that South Carolina governor Nikki Haley is a born and raised Sikh. Where are the Khalistan conspiracy theories??? Internet, I am disappoint.


Wikipedia must be wrong. As we all know, there's no way that the rednecks in South Carolina would ever elect a woman, let alone one of them furriner women with a funny name. Can't have that sort of thing. Now, who's the real governor of South Carolina? I bet it's somebody named Bubba.

/she's fairly attractive
//good VP candidate, IMO
 
2012-04-29 03:24:03 PM
I find these TSA debates to be comical in their absurdity. People gripe about "racial profiling" and how it is wrong to single out someone for screening based on nothing but physical characteristics and/or ethnicity, then they turn around and gripe about kids and old ladies being screened saying "come on now, does that prepubescent/elderly/disabled person LOOK like a terrorist?" You can't have it both ways folks.

/i live in a country full of idiots
 
2012-04-29 04:49:01 PM

lisarenee3505: I find these TSA debates to be comical in their absurdity. People gripe about "racial profiling" and how it is wrong to single out someone for screening based on nothing but physical characteristics and/or ethnicity, then they turn around and gripe about kids and old ladies being screened saying "come on now, does that prepubescent/elderly/disabled person LOOK like a terrorist?" You can't have it both ways folks.

/i live in a country full of idiots


Hey, I'm all for racial profiling.

By the way, proclaiming that you live in a country full of idiots doesn't set you apart.
 
2012-04-29 05:19:40 PM
TFA: Riley says the TSA must try to detect ever more sophisticated weapons - plastic explosives for instance - that can't be seen on x-rays. But he says the agency doesn't want to mistreat flyers.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(WHEEZE)HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA A AAAA(Passes out)
 
2012-04-29 05:23:25 PM

limboslam: Sorry Sikh's, but you aren't the only victims of the TSA's ass-hattery.
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for all you know, those kids and old people could have been carrying juice boxes and Metamucil respectively.
Don't even start me on nuns and their communion wine.
 
2012-04-29 07:06:30 PM
-Metal detectors have limited viability in what they can stop.
-The liquid limits are a complete joke all around and do not actually prevent anything.
-The full body scanners were a blatant money grab, and completely ineffective technology (as the inventor has stated numerous times).
-Profiling is a retarded, whether by name or looks.

I find the most amusing thing is that the people that fear the most for airport security are those that are most afraid of the TSA.

I have never had an issue going through security, occasional conversation about whether my belt will set off the metal detector or not (it doesn't never has never will, obviously have to take it off for the body scanners still but most places that I have gone through seemed to have realized that they are a waste of time, money, training, and man power to bother using.)

And having helped my elderly gramma through airport security multiple times in the last couple years I would actually say my experience runs counter to every negative story I have read about TSA. Actually if I have a complaint I would say that the security while bringing her through is horribly lax. Twice at Logan airport they brought her through the metal detector while in the wheelchair (she is quite capable of walking), while she was carrying her purse (they never opened it), and she was wearing several pieces of jewelry. What they did check though was the airport provided wheelchair. At Madison and Milwaukee's airports they had her walk through the metal detectors on her own, (still carrying her purse at Madison again never checked), both times still having jewelry on.


Different instance we were moving a bunch of old things from the same Grandparents house to our place (Boston to Wisconsin) we drove, but in my dad's brief case while we were moving things he put some items in there just to carry so they would not be lost. One of these items was an old hunting knife that looks about like this:
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Dad did not realize that it was still in his brief case and took multiple flights (I think about 8) and one day at home realized the knife was still in the brief case. To the TSA's credit though they did catch my sisters mini-swiss army knife (about an inch and a half long), over the same period.



All around TSA is a false sense of security that gives people a reason to complain.
 
2012-04-29 07:45:05 PM

ChubbyTiger: Wikipedia must be wrong. As we all know, there's no way that the rednecks in South Carolina would ever elect a woman, let alone one of them furriner women with a funny name.


I'm not sure "Nikki Haley" is that funny.
 
2012-04-29 09:26:31 PM

Hickory-smoked: ChubbyTiger: Wikipedia must be wrong. As we all know, there's no way that the rednecks in South Carolina would ever elect a woman, let alone one of them furriner women with a funny name.

I'm not sure "Nikki Haley" is that funny.


Her name is Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley.
 
2012-04-29 10:34:32 PM
I just wish EVERYONE opted for a full body pat down. The lines would back up, the TSA would be overwhelmed, and if we kept at it maybe they would go back to metal detectors.

How is it that the rest of the world is fine with normal procedures, and even the extra-cautious Israelis can do it without backscatter and millimeter wave? Because that is a huge waste of taxpayer money, and its only goal is to find drug mules carrying lots of cash.
 
2012-04-30 12:09:19 AM
I ship everything I don't want lost or stolen by fed ex, and my stuff gets there before I do! my little travel case of a change of clothes is easy to search and if lost, no trouble to replace...
 
2012-04-30 12:53:59 AM

Gig103: I just wish EVERYONE opted for a full body pat down. The lines would back up, the TSA would be overwhelmed, and if we kept at it maybe they would go back to metal detectors.

How is it that the rest of the world is fine with normal procedures, and even the extra-cautious Israelis can do it without backscatter and millimeter wave? Because that is a huge waste of taxpayer money, and its only goal is to find drug mules carrying lots of cash.


Cause the Isreali's actually train their people and expect them to be effective.

TSA is security theater.
Give a show, make the citizens feel safe.
 
2012-04-30 01:16:40 AM

ChubbyTiger: Hickory-smoked: ChubbyTiger: Wikipedia must be wrong. As we all know, there's no way that the rednecks in South Carolina would ever elect a woman, let alone one of them furriner women with a funny name.

I'm not sure "Nikki Haley" is that funny.

Her name is Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley.


Yeah, but I bet that wasn't on the campaign signs.
 
2012-04-30 02:01:10 AM

Herr Flick's Revenge: Cause the Isreali's actually train their people and expect them to be effective.

TSA is security theater.
Give a show, make the citizens feel safe.


I have to admit my post was rhetorical; I agree completely with what you said. But then again, everyone here is smart enough to turn on a computer, load a website, and know how to read, so we're better than a large part of the country (the part that thinks the security theater works).
 
2012-04-30 04:34:16 AM
I think everyone is just Sikh and tired of the security theater.
 
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