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(The Hill)   (Shakes Etch-a-Sketch, turns knobs): You know, the whole GM bailout was Romney's idea. Obama just did what Romney told him, and it all worked out great   (thehill.com) divider line 169
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2012-04-28 11:21:58 PM
Like health care reform!
 
2012-04-28 11:26:47 PM
To be fair, the first thing Romney did when he got control of a company was to make it take out a massive loan. But the difference is that while Obama plowed the money back into GM, Romney put the money in his pocket.

Therein lies the difference.
 
2012-04-28 11:27:40 PM
"The only economic success that President Obama has had is because he followed Mitt Romney's advice."



look, i'm sure that Orwellian historical rewrite shiat works just fine in the GOP echo chamber but out here in the real world we tend to ignore doublethink and call you out on blatant bullshiat.

dear f*cking god...is THIS what Romney plans on hitting Obama with come election time!? this is his 'A' game!? dude is beyond f*cked if the best he can come up with is some lame ass hand waveium jedi mind trick.
 
2012-04-28 11:30:21 PM

Marcus Aurelius: To be fair, the first thing Romney did when he got control of a company was to make it take out a massive loan. But the difference is that while Obama plowed the money back into GM, Romney put the money in his pocket.

Therein lies the difference.


pointing that out gets you screeched at by a bunch of freepers.
 
2012-04-28 11:31:00 PM
entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com
You. Have. Got. To. Be. Shiatting. Me.
 
2012-04-28 11:31:53 PM

Weaver95: ook, i'm sure that Orwellian historical rewrite shiat works just fine in the GOP echo chamber but out here in the real world we tend to ignore doublethink and call you out on blatant bullshiat.


RMoney seems to think it's still the primary and everyone will believe him.
 
2012-04-28 11:32:59 PM

robmilmel: Weaver95: ook, i'm sure that Orwellian historical rewrite shiat works just fine in the GOP echo chamber but out here in the real world we tend to ignore doublethink and call you out on blatant bullshiat.

RMoney seems to think it's still the primary and everyone will believe him.


I guess if you're gonna go with 'crazy' as your defining theme then you might as well go balls out with the whole thing.
 
2012-04-28 11:33:47 PM
christ almighty, i knew republicans were brazen liars, but this takes the cake.
 
2012-04-28 11:34:28 PM
"[Romney's] position on the bailout was exactly what President Obama followed. I know it infuriates them to hear that," Eric Fehrnstrom, senior adviser to the Romney campaign, said.

It's infuriating because the votes of people that buy this shiat carry the same weight as mine. Never underestimate the power of the poultry-buggery-voyeur bloc.
 
2012-04-28 11:35:06 PM

FlashHarry: christ almighty, i knew republicans were brazen liars, but this takes the cake.


I don't think they're lying. I think they really, honestly believe this shiat.

and that worries me more than if they were just bullshiatting their way through an election.
 
2012-04-28 11:35:36 PM

Weaver95: robmilmel: Weaver95: ook, i'm sure that Orwellian historical rewrite shiat works just fine in the GOP echo chamber but out here in the real world we tend to ignore doublethink and call you out on blatant bullshiat.

RMoney seems to think it's still the primary and everyone will believe him.

I guess if you're gonna go with 'crazy' as your defining theme then you might as well go balls out with the whole thing.


MIght as well. I imagine by tomorrow the GOP will say the remarks were "out of context" and remind us that Obama ate dog when he was 6.
 
2012-04-28 11:36:55 PM

robmilmel: Weaver95: robmilmel: Weaver95: ook, i'm sure that Orwellian historical rewrite shiat works just fine in the GOP echo chamber but out here in the real world we tend to ignore doublethink and call you out on blatant bullshiat.

RMoney seems to think it's still the primary and everyone will believe him.

I guess if you're gonna go with 'crazy' as your defining theme then you might as well go balls out with the whole thing.

MIght as well. I imagine by tomorrow the GOP will say the remarks were "out of context" and remind us that Obama ate dog when he was 6.


throw in something about abortion and tax cuts and the press release almost writes itself.
 
2012-04-28 11:37:17 PM
The whole "lying because the base will believe whatever shiat I spew out" strategy will not work too well for Mitt being that the 20%ers hate his ass about half as much as they hate President Obama, and half of infinity is still a lot
 
2012-04-28 11:42:18 PM

Weaver95: look, i'm sure that Orwellian historical rewrite shiat works just fine in the GOP echo chamber but out here in the real world we tend to ignore doublethink and call you out on blatant bullshiat.


We do?
 
2012-04-28 11:43:13 PM

Mentat: Weaver95: look, i'm sure that Orwellian historical rewrite shiat works just fine in the GOP echo chamber but out here in the real world we tend to ignore doublethink and call you out on blatant bullshiat.

We do?


I didn't say we were effective...just noisy.
 
2012-04-28 11:55:07 PM
How long until he ordered and shadow-led the strike to kill Osama?
 
2012-04-29 12:04:46 AM

TsarTom: How long until he ordered and shadow-led the strike to kill Osama?


Are you kidding? He was there, he pulled the trigger to kill the guy. That's why Obama won't release the video!

I heard it on this guy's radio show.
i306.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-29 12:10:11 AM
Except Romney said let GM die and the thousands of jobs with it.
 
2012-04-29 12:12:26 AM

GAT_00: Except Romney said let GM die and the thousands of jobs with it.


That's so 15 minutes ago
 
2012-04-29 12:14:15 AM
He claimed this a month or two ago, actually.
 
2012-04-29 12:18:37 AM

Quasar: He claimed this a month or two ago, actually.


For RMoney, that's a lllloooooooonnnnnnngggggg time to go without changing his position.
 
2012-04-29 12:48:59 AM
Alf Landon will have to move over to make room for Rmoney on the shelf of republitard nominee success.
 
2012-04-29 01:14:54 AM
Did you know Romney was born and then Obama was born? Obama stole his idea.
 
2012-04-29 02:36:59 AM
It's sad when a flip flopper loses his balance. Romney's flopped when he should have flipped.

GOPers have been loudly denouncing the auto bailout for years. Now they're ok with it? Heads are going to explode.
 
2012-04-29 02:39:36 AM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: The whole "lying because the base will believe whatever shiat I spew out" strategy will not work too well for Mitt being that the 20%ers hate his ass about half as much as they hate President Obama, and half of infinity is still a lot


isn't half of infinity still infinity? or is that dividing by zero?
 
2012-04-29 02:47:10 AM
"Let Detroit Go Bankrupt," words that will haunt Mitt Romney in Michigan

Link

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
-Philip K. Dick
 
2012-04-29 03:10:40 AM

Marcus Aurelius: To be fair, the first thing Romney did when he got control of a company was to make it take out a massive loan. But the difference is that while Obama plowed the money back into GM, Romney put the money in his pocket.

Therein lies the difference.


So he's basically this guy, before a blowjob got him to loosen up?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-29 04:06:33 AM
I feel horrible for the comedians who like to ragg on politics.

After this election cycle, their jokes seem less funny because they seem more real.

/rip onion
 
2012-04-29 04:12:22 AM
So it's OK for conservatives to like (or buy) the Volt now?

i257.photobucket.com

New talking point, guys! No more "Not Buying from Government Motors" jokes, Romney's now claiming credit for the success of the bailout. Please adjust your AM radio call-ins, peeps.
 
2012-04-29 04:18:12 AM

GAT_00: Except Romney said let GM die and the thousands of jobs with it.


Why ya gotta bring up old shiat?

/if only Obama had followed Romney's advice and repealed DADT
 
2012-04-29 04:22:47 AM

robmilmel: I imagine by tomorrow the GOP will say the remarks were "out of context" and remind us that Obama ate dog when he was 6.


Obama only ate dog because he followed Romney's advice.
 
2012-04-29 04:23:56 AM
Electric Kittypalooza:

mybfolder.org

NSFW, might get kitty filterpwnt

i10.photobucket.com

fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca

abowlofstupid.com
 
2012-04-29 04:32:49 AM
i249.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-29 04:38:01 AM
Kittypie070:


Please don't do that "ching chong" asian crap.
 
2012-04-29 04:38:29 AM
They do realize attack ads are being made from this shiat, right? And that Romney already has a reputation as a flip-flopper and liar? No?
 
2012-04-29 04:48:08 AM

StopLurkListen: Kittypie070:


Please don't do that "ching chong" asian crap.


But it means "I love you".
 
2012-04-29 04:49:41 AM
 
2012-04-29 05:00:45 AM
StopLurkListen 2012-04-29 04:38:01 AM

Kittypie070:

Please don't do that "ching chong" asian crap.


O_O

kity not know'd dat it would mad U.

...

Sorry.
 
2012-04-29 05:01:20 AM

shower_in_my_socks: They do realize attack ads are being made from this shiat, right? And that Romney already has a reputation as a flip-flopper and liar? No?


I keep hearing this but I actually want to see the ads being played. Where are you SuperPacs?
 
2012-04-29 05:26:33 AM

StopLurkListen: Kittypie070:


Please don't do that "ching chong" asian crap.


Yeah. Make fun of English-speaking retards instead.
 
2012-04-29 05:36:40 AM
i.imgur.com

Eric Fehrnstrom was better when he was Saddam Hussein's Minister of Information. His work as Romney Minister of Information has been a bit unsatisfactory.
 
2012-04-29 05:52:37 AM
Schrodinger's candidate can't stop can he?
 
2012-04-29 05:53:08 AM
*gwumble*

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2012-04-29 06:04:04 AM
"The fact that the auto companies today are profitable is because they've shed costs,"

This guy should run a business school
 
2012-04-29 06:55:48 AM
Whaaaaa?

i759.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-29 06:58:33 AM
GM Bailout?

No thats the Union Bailout

and its going to fail again

no fundamental changes were made, so fail in time
 
2012-04-29 07:18:07 AM

Weaver95: look, i'm sure that Orwellian historical rewrite shiat works just fine in the GOP echo chamber but out here in the real world we tend to ignore doublethink and call you out on blatant bullshiat.


I have a theory that the people running the GOP haven't yet realized that the Internet never forgets. This kind of BS worked fine when lies couldn't be easily debunked and the debunking instantly widely circulated so that the debunking becomes a bigger story than the lie (remember the infamous Rick Perry video?). It's no coincidence, IMO, that the core constituency of the GOP increasingly overlaps with "people who didn't grow up with the Internet". It's also no coincidence that Karl Rove got out when he did: as despicable a human being as he is, he was also smart enough to recognize that his strategy of "lie until your teeth hurt" was becoming decreasingly effective.

There used to be a saying, "a lie can go around the world before the truth has tied its laces". These days, a lie can get a good head start but the truth quickly catches it up, gives it a good kicking, and posts the video on YouTube for everybody to watch.

/Kids, ask your grandparents what the phrase "tied its laces" means
 
2012-04-29 07:28:50 AM
This is all part of a larger strategy - spin Ronney's positions until the public and the Obama campaign get dizzy following them, then lead the ignorant directly to the polls while everyone else stumbles around.
 
2012-04-29 07:43:57 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com image 542x406]
You. Have. Got. To. Be. Shiatting. Me.


fark.upi.comfark.upi.comfark.upi.com
 
2012-04-29 07:45:30 AM

winterwhile: GM Bailout?

No thats the Union Bailout

and its going to fail again

no fundamental changes were made, so fail in time


but GOP attacking US car companies while giving government aid and funds to German and Japanese companies in the South a okay? The GOP are a bunch of scabs on the back of UAW workers. If the UAW was gone do you think Honda, BMW, and VW would pay the workers in the right to work plants similar wages to union shops?

It was not the unions, it was bad leadership up top and unfair advantages given by GOP politicans to their rivals. Pro-American and pro-free market my arse
 
2012-04-29 07:45:51 AM

winterwhile: GM Bailout?

No thats the Union Bailout

and its going to fail again

no fundamental changes were made, so fail in time


2/10
 
2012-04-29 07:46:12 AM

TFerWannaBe: This is all part of a larger strategy - spin Ronney's positions until the public and the Obama campaign get dizzy following them, then lead the ignorant directly to the polls while everyone else stumbles around.


Pin the Vote On the Democratic Party?
 
2012-04-29 07:51:01 AM

czetie: Weaver95: look, i'm sure that Orwellian historical rewrite shiat works just fine in the GOP echo chamber but out here in the real world we tend to ignore doublethink and call you out on blatant bullshiat.

I have a theory that the people running the GOP haven't yet realized that the Internet never forgets. This kind of BS worked fine when lies couldn't be easily debunked and the debunking instantly widely circulated so that the debunking becomes a bigger story than the lie (remember the infamous Rick Perry video?). It's no coincidence, IMO, that the core constituency of the GOP increasingly overlaps with "people who didn't grow up with the Internet". It's also no coincidence that Karl Rove got out when he did: as despicable a human being as he is, he was also smart enough to recognize that his strategy of "lie until your teeth hurt" was becoming decreasingly effective.

There used to be a saying, "a lie can go around the world before the truth has tied its laces". These days, a lie can get a good head start but the truth quickly catches it up, gives it a good kicking, and posts the video on YouTube for everybody to watch.




No, they know about it. It doesn't matter to them, their constituency has two plans of attack on the internet:

1) Claim anything that contradicts you is Socialist Soros-funded lies. You won't believe how many people consider Snopes.com to be Democratic propaganda.
2) Create an echo chamber of 'grass roots' 'new media' 'independent' 'news' sites that blast their version of events so long and solidly that for any actual fact you cite, they have 200 different sites with their own 'facts' they can cite that says the exact opposite thing. They all cross-reference each other and it's usually impossible to get an original source, but their solidarity gives the impression that anything contradictory is a lie and they will never back down.


These people now control the internet. Read any comments section of any major news site. They vastly outnumber the sane people now.
 
2012-04-29 07:59:45 AM
Rmoney is just one of those joke nominations, right? Like Cthulu 2012 or the Barking Spider party. No one can really be this funny while straight faced.
 
2012-04-29 08:00:34 AM
"The fact that the auto companies today are profitable is because they've shed costs," Fehrnstrom said. "The reason they shed those costs and have got their employee labor contracts less expensive is because they went through that managed bankruptcy process. It is exactly what Mitt Romney told them to do."

Anybody got any hard citations for GM's union contracts in 2007 vs their contracts now? I'm not saying that I think Romney's guy is outright lying, I'm just saying his head might be up his ass he's huffing his own fumes.
 
2012-04-29 08:01:12 AM
Romney would have done this
 
2012-04-29 08:04:13 AM
Not trying to defend this guy at all but wake me when he doesn't take at least two conflicting stances on any given issues.

The guy makes pathological liars and used-car salesmen look upstanding. How he is the de-facto nominee and not laughed out of primaries is beyond me. Is there literally any issue he hasn't told the audience what they want to hear instead of what he truly believes?
 
2012-04-29 08:08:05 AM

zedster: winterwhile: GM Bailout?

No thats the Union Bailout

and its going to fail again

no fundamental changes were made, so fail in time

but GOP attacking US car companies while giving government aid and funds to German and Japanese companies in the South a okay? The GOP are a bunch of scabs on the back of UAW workers. If the UAW was gone do you think Honda, BMW, and VW would pay the workers in the right to work plants similar wages to union shops?

It was not the unions, it was bad leadership up top and unfair advantages given by GOP politicans to their rivals. Pro-American and pro-free market my arse


so, what you are saying, is move all those jobs overseas?

thats you point?
 
2012-04-29 08:08:28 AM
The facts? Romney is just not that smart or talented. As I've mentioned before, he's W.

Nothing at all without his daddy's accomplishments
 
2012-04-29 08:15:14 AM
I read this yesterday and thought I was reading the onion. It is just baffling. It is beyond I was for it before I was against it.
 
2012-04-29 08:16:07 AM

czetie: I have a theory that the people running the GOP haven't yet realized that the Internet never forgets. This kind of BS worked fine when lies couldn't be easily debunked and the debunking instantly widely circulated so that the debunking becomes a bigger story than the lie (remember the infamous Rick Perry video?).


I am convinced that politicians and MSM (both left and right) want to better regulate 'news aggregators' like FARK so they can better control the message. If FOX news publish a story that Obama is weak on Iran, the FOX news web site will be filled with anti-Obama comments supporting the claim. The narrative is undermined though by FARK and other sites because the original story is shown with the proof of the BS. It makes it hard to spread lies.

Remember the good ole days when news papers would print Letters to the Editor? You think they published the letters that didn't support the views of the editor? Those letters found the bottom of the waste bin.
 
2012-04-29 08:16:13 AM

zedster: It was not the unions, it was bad leadership up top and unfair advantages given by GOP politicans to their rivals.


Yes but they make for a very convenient scapegoat instead of blaming management for it because they're Job Creators after all (blessed be their name) and Job Creators are always right so obviously it had to be those libtarded union's fault.

Why? Fark you that's why...
 
2012-04-29 08:20:07 AM

Marcus Aurelius: To be fair, the first thing Romney did when he got control of a company was to make it take out a massive loan. But the difference is that while Obama plowed the money back into GM, Romney put the money in his pocket.

Therein lies the difference.


Litterally.
motherjones.com
 
2012-04-29 08:20:38 AM

wildcardjack: Rmoney is just one of those joke nominations, right? Like Cthulu 2012 or the Barking Spider party. No one can really be this funny while straight faced.


I didn't lookfor a citation but it is true. The UAW made some huge consessions at all the auto companies, even Ford. The story the GOP spreads that uneducated auto workers are making $100,000/year is a lie. I think starting wage is like $14/hour.
 
2012-04-29 08:20:58 AM
The auto bailouts only succeeded because Mitt Romney gave Obama the plan.
The Dow is up over 13,000 because Mitt Romney stood behind Obama, "Ghost" style, and actually worked Obama's hands as he controlled the markets.
Obama was hiding in the corner crying instead of giving the Osama Bin Laden killshot order, but Mitt Romney grabbed Obama's head and made him nod and push the "go for it" button.

But every night Obama personally takes one of those suction cups on a stick and raises my gas prices. Except when those prices go down, then it's Mitt Romney doing it for freedom.

It's going to be a long six months, isn't it?
 
2012-04-29 08:21:59 AM
I'm sure no film exists of him giving a policy speech detailing the exact opposite plan

/roll the tape.
 
2012-04-29 08:25:38 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The auto bailouts only succeeded because Mitt Romney gave Obama the plan.
The Dow is up over 13,000 because Mitt Romney stood behind Obama, "Ghost" style, and actually worked Obama's hands as he controlled the markets.
Obama was hiding in the corner crying instead of giving the Osama Bin Laden killshot order, but Mitt Romney grabbed Obama's head and made him nod and push the "go for it" button.

But every night Obama personally takes one of those suction cups on a stick and raises my gas prices. Except when those prices go down, then it's Mitt Romney doing it for freedom.

It's going to be a long six months, isn't it?


Frightening part is, this is just the tip of the derpburg. This is gonna get reaaaaaaaaaal stupid reaaaaaaaaal fast.
 
2012-04-29 08:31:38 AM

robmilmel: Frightening part is, this is just the tip of the derpburg. This is gonna get reaaaaaaaaaal stupid reaaaaaaaaal fast.


The thing is I don't know how much more stupid we can get. I mean how much further can we sink?
 
2012-04-29 08:42:20 AM

Mrtraveler01: I mean how much further can we sink?


Think of a bottomless hole in a bottomless hole in a bottomless hole.

FOREVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR...
 
2012-04-29 08:42:42 AM

Mrtraveler01: The thing is I don't know how much more stupid we can get. I mean how much further can we sink?


Much,much further I only assume because of the rabbit hole the primaries were.
 
2012-04-29 08:52:25 AM

Karac: "The fact that the auto companies today are profitable is because they've shed costs," Fehrnstrom said. "The reason they shed those costs and have got their employee labor contracts less expensive is because they went through that managed bankruptcy process. It is exactly what Mitt Romney told them to do."

Anybody got any hard citations for GM's union contracts in 2007 vs their contracts now? I'm not saying that I think Romney's guy is outright lying, I'm just saying his head might be up his ass he's huffing his own fumes.


The talking point from the GOP after the deal was that Obama gave the unions control of the company.
 
2012-04-29 08:55:20 AM

MithrandirBooga: czetie: Weaver95: look, i'm sure that Orwellian historical rewrite shiat works just fine in the GOP echo chamber but out here in the real world we tend to ignore doublethink and call you out on blatant bullshiat.

There used to be a saying, "a lie can go around the world before the truth has tied its laces". These days, a lie can get a good head start but the truth quickly catches it up, gives it a good kicking, and posts the video on YouTube for everybody to watch.

No, they know about it. It doesn't matter to them, their constituency has two plans of attack on the internet:

1) Claim anything that contradicts you is Socialist Soros-funded lies. You won't believe how many people consider Snopes.com to be Democratic propaganda.
2) Create an echo chamber of 'grass roots' 'new media' 'independent' 'news' sites that blast their version of events so long and solidly that for any actual fact you cite, they have 200 different sites with their own 'facts' they can cite that says the exact opposite thing. They all cross-reference each other and it's usually impossible to get an original source, but their solidarity gives the impression that anything contradictory is a lie and they will never back down.


These people now control the internet. Read any comments section of any major news site. They vastly out ...


Also, the way search engine rankings are so easily manipulated (especially with a conglomerate that can put the same content of hundreds of separate websites) that half the time if you're looking for the real story, the entire first page of results can easily be the fiction.

It doesn't stop the real story from getting out there completely, but when the volume level is so much higher for the lie, most people are going to listen to it. And then you have stuff like this which I didn't see followed up anywhere else, and that only got 15 comments here on Fark? (unless there was a dupe that I missed?)

And when you've got massive segments of the population conditioned to believe what they are told even when there is no physical evidence to support it, even when it flies in the face of everything we understand about how the world actually works, one can easily lose hope.

God created the world in seven days, Jesus rose from the dead after three days, and companies will scale up production and hire people when you give the already wealthy more money, not when demand increases.

Y'know, if I wasn't already living in the future, I'd probably kill myself.

Fortunately, here in the future, everybody can talk to everybody else, anywhere in the world, and even though there's loads of bad information out there, the fact remains that there is SO MUCH information out there.

Much of the behaviour we can see amongst those who blindly believe and follow what they are told were conditioned in this way through limited access to information; people typically believe what they are told if they're never even exposed to a different perspective or ideas. The deeply religious tend to be those who were brought up in that environment, and not even exposed to the idea that their specific worldview might not be absolutely correct until they were too set in their ways to consider other possibilities.

You can already see it happening- religiousness is consistently decreasing across younger generations- not that religion is all that is wrong with the world (though it can and does cause some difficulties) but it's a useful metric for this type of mindset. And what we can see is that as people have more access to information, as they are exposed to more information younger, they are learning to question sooner, and to decide for themselves. And the information is everywhere. The internet is everywhere. In our homes, our schools, our libraries, our telephones. And the scenario above, with all the misinformation sites, most of those are coming from a breed of people who cannot reproduce in the modern world. They are among the last of their ilk, and while their death thrashes may yet leave wide swaths of devastation, once enough of the cogs have failed, the hate-machine will falter. Heck, we may even be able to turn it inwards against itself, hastening the process while minimizing external damage.

On that note, did you hear about Romney's plan to revoke the tax exempt status of churches to fund a tax cut for those whose income exceeds 250,000/year?
 
2012-04-29 08:56:35 AM
wow, sorry 'bout the Wall 'o Text everybody.
 
2012-04-29 08:59:37 AM
Not surprised at all. They have already failed miserably trying to claim that bailing out GM was a bad thing. But that pesky reality is simply too inconvenient for even today's GOP to deny.

As others have already said, I'm sure Romney's goons will soon be claiming that Mitt told Obama where and when to find Bin Laden.
 
2012-04-29 09:01:25 AM

Tor_Eckman: Not surprised at all. They have already failed miserably trying to claim that bailing out GM was a bad thing. But that pesky reality is simply too inconvenient for even today's GOP to deny.

As others have already said, I'm sure Romney's goons will soon be claiming that Mitt told Obama where and when to find Bin Laden.


I wouldn't put it past them to claim that Romney is really a member of SEAL team 6, and thus PERSONALLY capped bin Laden.
 
2012-04-29 09:11:08 AM

Jorn the Younger: wow, sorry 'bout the Wall 'o Text everybody.


it's OK, tl;dr
 
2012-04-29 09:34:15 AM
Maybe Romney really IS a robot. Or more specifically, a CYLON!

Think about it. We all think the flip-flopping is just simple incompetence, but just suppose for a moment, that it's all part of an incredibly long con game that could only be dreamed up by a thinking machine. Maybe Romney really did give Obama the idea to bail out GM (only not so obviously by writing several op-ed pieces and making speeches saying the exact opposite) PRECISELY so he could claim he gave him the idea and criticize him for being a copycat Socialist Muslim during the general election campaign!

Layers upon layers upon layers people! All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.
 
2012-04-29 09:34:33 AM
Ah, it's still fun to see the Fark Independents who 2 weeks ago were clamoring for anyone but RMoney to get the GOP nod claim that they always liked him the whole time..
 
2012-04-29 09:35:46 AM

bingethinker: TsarTom: How long until he ordered and shadow-led the strike to kill Osama?

Are you kidding? He was there, he pulled the trigger to kill the guy. That's why Obama won't release the video!

I heard it on this guy's radio show.
[i306.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Hell I think we would demand to make him president for life if he did so.
 
2012-04-29 09:39:59 AM
Mitt Romney was for the bailouts before he was against them. Now he's for them again. We'll see what happens next week.
 
2012-04-29 09:46:34 AM
Here is the Mormon Creed on Lying. It explains a lot about Mitt MoRmoney

Link
 
2012-04-29 09:47:19 AM
Old and busted: "Shakes Magic-8 ball..." headline
New Hotness: "Shakes Etch-a-Sketch..." headline
 
2012-04-29 09:51:46 AM
They must think we're goldfish.
 
2012-04-29 09:53:23 AM

DrD'isInfotainment: Here is the Mormon Creed on Lying. It explains a lot about Mitt MoRmoney

Link


Wow. The more I learn about mormonism the more it does seem like a cult.
 
2012-04-29 09:56:12 AM
Ha! Good luck with that!
 
2012-04-29 09:56:13 AM

Wyalt Derp: They must think we're goldfish.


His voters are jealous of the ivory tower eleetizm of gold fish.

I always try to plug this awesome video in Rmoney threads: Mitt Romney and the Infinite Sadness
 
2012-04-29 09:57:32 AM
The Republican 'Milk before Meat' tactics fit well with the image Romney is trying to create.
 
2012-04-29 09:58:03 AM

Muta: Remember the good ole days when news papers would print Letters to the Editor? You think they published the letters that didn't support the views of the editor? Those letters found the bottom of the waste bin.


I don't believe that for a second, those ones were probably published much more. They just throw out the ones that make sound arguments, so the readers can all see how easily the opposition is to discredit.

Jorn the Younger: You can already see it happening- religiousness is consistently decreasing across younger generations- not that religion is all that is wrong with the world (though it can and does cause some difficulties) but it's a useful metric for this type of mindset. And what we can see is that as people have more access to information, as they are exposed to more information younger, they are learning to question sooner, and to decide for themselves. And the information is everywhere. The internet is everywhere. In our homes, our schools, our libraries, our telephones. And the scenario above, with all the misinformation sites, most of those are coming from a breed of people who cannot reproduce in the modern world. They are among the last of their ilk, and while their death thrashes may yet leave wide swaths of devastation, once enough of the cogs have failed, the hate-machine will falter. Heck, we may even be able to turn it inwards against itself, hastening the process while minimizing external damage.


I don't believe in anything myself, but in many ways religion seems like a scapegoat here to me. It can make a good tool to enforce one's own mindset, but I don't think it's really the heart of the problem at all. In my real world experience, the vast majority of theists I've come across are reasonable people who are just a thousand times less vocal than the unreasonable ones. Obviously a lot of that has to do with location, but that shows the magnitude of the effect your peers have on you. I've also come across several antitheists who cite bogus facts/statistics in their arguments and deflect when you call them out. The problem is group mentality, even if you took religion out of the equation I don't think it does much to combat the development of groups with exclusionary mindsets. Speaking in general (all sorts of beliefs and opinions, not merely religious ones), there's nothing wrong with thinking "X is a crazy thing to believe". There is something very wrong with someone with a strong belief in Y thinking "no rational/reasonable person could ever not agree with Y". These two are different things if you don't cut divide issues into a limited number of possible opinions. The problem is that an exclusionary mentality is somewhat human nature, and my personal opinion is that labeling religion in general as bad because it can be used to encourage this isn't significantly different from labeling knives as bad because they can be used to kill people. Even if you think there's no truth to a religious belief, it can be an emotional fallback for a person and you should differentiate a person who draws from it that sort of benefit from one who uses it to encourage hate. You don't take away all the knives, you teach people not to stab others with them. Teaching will never rid the world of stabbings, but I think it's a better option than labeling all who use knives as bad.

/tl;dr
 
2012-04-29 10:01:14 AM

christianity: I don't believe that for a second, those ones were probably published much more. They just throw out the ones that make sound arguments, so the readers can all see how easily the opposition is to discredit.


The Hannity-Colmes solution, if you will.
 
2012-04-29 10:05:27 AM

actualhuman: christianity: I don't believe that for a second, those ones were probably published much more. They just throw out the ones that make sound arguments, so the readers can all see how easily the opposition is to discredit.

The Hannity-Colmes solution, if you will.


Didn't watch it much, but I never really got the feeling that Colmes was a bad thinker, in fact it seemed like he blew Hannity out of the water in that regard. He just seemed much less aggressive, so an audience who measures the value of an argument by who can shout louder would have no problem determining who to agree with.
 
2012-04-29 10:14:53 AM

StopLurkListen: So it's OK for conservatives to like (or buy) the Volt now?

[i257.photobucket.com image 390x216]


Nope. Still not buying anything from Unamerican Motors.

New talking point, guys! No more "Not Buying from Government Motors" jokes, Romney's now claiming credit for the success of the bailout. Please adjust your AM radio call-ins, peeps.

No. Mitt doesn't tell actual conservatives what to think, just like McCain didn't. He's simply the lesser of two evils, so we'll be voting for him come November. It doesn't matter what he's saying about GM because we already know Obama is a much bigger liar and more corrupt than any president in our lifetime. Abd yes, that includes Nixon.

So if you were dumb enought to buy a Volt, I wouldn't count on the demand or resale value increasing any time soon.
 
2012-04-29 10:17:18 AM

christianity: Didn't watch it much, but I never really got the feeling that Colmes was a bad thinker, in fact it seemed like he blew Hannity out of the water in that regard. He just seemed much less aggressive, so an audience who measures the value of an argument by who can shout louder would have no problem determining who to agree with.


I can't wait for the debates. Is Obama going to let Romney hang himself, while being cool and soft-spoken, or is he going to go all Samuel L. Jackson on him?

Either way, he'll mop the floor with him. Romney never looked great in the primary debates.
 
2012-04-29 10:17:20 AM

Roy_G_Biv: No. Mitt doesn't tell actual conservatives what to think, just like McCain didn't. He's simply the lesser of two evils, so we'll be voting for him come November.


A "just like McCain didn't" outcome is fine with me.
 
2012-04-29 10:17:49 AM

Roy_G_Biv: It doesn't matter what he's saying about GM because we already know Obama is a much bigger liar and more corrupt than any president in our lifetime. Abd yes, that includes Nixon.


Obama broke into Republican Party headquarters in the middle of the night to snoop on their campaign plans?

If not, that's a pretty stupid comparison to make.
 
2012-04-29 10:18:55 AM

Roy_G_Biv: Nope. Still not buying anything from Unamerican Motors.


Yes, because car companies overall are so patriotic and loyal to their home country.

/sarcasm
 
2012-04-29 10:19:26 AM

Roy_G_Biv: StopLurkListen: So it's OK for conservatives to like (or buy) the Volt now?

[i257.photobucket.com image 390x216]

Nope. Still not buying anything from Unamerican Motors.

New talking point, guys! No more "Not Buying from Government Motors" jokes, Romney's now claiming credit for the success of the bailout. Please adjust your AM radio call-ins, peeps.

No. Mitt doesn't tell actual conservatives what to think, just like McCain didn't. He's simply the lesser of two evils, so we'll be voting for him come November. It doesn't matter what he's saying about GM because we already know Obama is a much bigger liar and more corrupt than any president in our lifetime. Abd yes, that includes Nixon.

So if you were dumb enought to buy a Volt, I wouldn't count on the demand or resale value increasing any time soon.


fc05.deviantart.net
 
2012-04-29 10:22:17 AM
Romney is a shiatty candidate who has surrounded himself with dullards.

His party's idiotic policies are really the least of Romney's problem. The biggest is that he's a joke of a candidate that lost to someone like McCain in the primaries 4 years ago and took months and hundreds of millions of dollars to put away the likes of Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum this year. Comments like this one are made at least on a weekly basis by the candidate, his spouse, his staff or his surrogates. I can't recall a more undisciplined campaign...and it's been running for 6+ years!

That said, dumbass Romney can probably get away with bullshiat like this in April. Still very few people paying attention to the campaign and those that are almost all know better. But here's the problem for Romney: Just like McCain he doesn't seem to understand the fact we have audio and video recording devices. I can almost see it now. The Obama campaign will just tuck this one away, then Obama will either drop this in his "laughing this shiat is so stupid" delivery in his stump speech, or he'll bust it out with Romney standing right in front of him during a debate and all but laugh in his face.
 
2012-04-29 10:23:19 AM

christianity:
I don't believe in anything myself, but in many ways religion seems like a scapegoat here to me. It can make a good tool to enforce one's own mindset, but I don't think it's really the heart of the problem at all. In my real world experience, the vast majority of theists I've come across are reasonable people who are just a thousand times less vocal than the unreasonable ones. Obviously a lot of that has to do with location, but that shows the magnitude of the effect your peers have on you. I've also come across several antitheists wwho cite bogus facts/statistics in their arguments and deflect when you call them out. The problem is group mentality, even if you took religion out of the equation I don't think it does much to combat the development of groups with exclusionary mindsets. Speaking in general (all sorts of beliefs and opinions, not merely religious ones), there's nothing wrong with thinking "X is a crazy thing to believe". There is something very wrong with someone with a strong belief in Y thinking "no rational/reasonable person could ever not agree with Y". These two are different things if you don't cut divide issues into a limited number of possible opinions. The problem is that an exclusionary mentality is somewhat human nature, and my personal opinion is that labeling religion in general as bad because it can be used to encourage this isn't significantly different from labeling knives as bad because they can be used to kill people. Even if you think there's no truth to a religious belief, it can be an emotional fallback for a person and you should differentiate a person who draws from it that sort of benefit from one who uses it to encourage hate. You don't take away all the knives, you teach people not to stab others with them. Teaching will never rid the world of stabbings, but I think it's a better option than labeling all who use knives as bad


That's true, and I don't look at religion as an inherently bad thing, and I probably should have been more precise with my language. There are many aspects of religious organisations that are positive, and there are many members of any given faith for whom 'church is a thing to do on Sunday'- they are not die-hard adherents to the dogma, but enjoy gathering with their neighbors once a week and having a sing-along, having group dinners, and other social and charitable functions of "church life". Ideally, most of those roles would be filled by more basic social clubs, without the religion so thoroughly interwoven. For I know that faith is a personal matter, and when I rail against religion, or religious institutions, it is because most of them want to take away my freedom to make that, and other, choices for myself. And as Prime said, 'Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.' The very basis of morality is the idea that those will the ability to determine their own destiny have the right to do so- that which is immoral is that which violates the rights of others to self-determine.
 
2012-04-29 10:24:07 AM

Mrtraveler01: Obama broke into Republican Party headquarters in the middle of the night to snoop on their campaign plans?

If not, that's a pretty stupid comparison to make.


You'll hear worse. Obama actually has a good record, and an excellent record as a Right-Center Republican. That's all the Republicans have, "Kenya!" "Sekret Muslim!" "Socialist!" "Taking away our guns!" "Job-Killer!" "Taking our religious freedom!"

"Worse than Nixon!" is actually pretty tame by comparison.

/odd that it seems the most legitimate criticisms of Obama's policy positions are coming from within the Democratic party, or at least left-leaning pundits.
 
2012-04-29 10:25:11 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's going to be a long six months, isn't it?


It already has.
/bunkers down
 
2012-04-29 10:25:43 AM

Shrugging Atlas: Romney is a shiatty candidate who has surrounded himself with dullards.

His party's idiotic policies are really the least of Romney's problem. The biggest is that he's a joke of a candidate that lost to someone like McCain in the primaries 4 years ago and took months and hundreds of millions of dollars to put away the likes of Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum this year. Comments like this one are made at least on a weekly basis by the candidate, his spouse, his staff or his surrogates. I can't recall a more undisciplined campaign...and it's been running for 6+ years!

That said, dumbass Romney can probably get away with bullshiat like this in April. Still very few people paying attention to the campaign and those that are almost all know better. But here's the problem for Romney: Just like McCain he doesn't seem to understand the fact we have audio and video recording devices. I can almost see it now. The Obama campaign will just tuck this one away, then Obama will either drop this in his "laughing this shiat is so stupid" delivery in his stump speech, or he'll bust it out with Romney standing right in front of him during a debate and all but laugh in his face.


I like my Samuel L. Jackson idea better. Seeing Romney shiat himself in fear would be hilarious.
 
2012-04-29 10:25:54 AM

Shrugging Atlas: The Obama campaign will just tuck this one away, then Obama will either drop this in his "laughing this shiat is so stupid" delivery in his stump speech, or he'll bust it out with Romney standing right in front of him during a debate and all but laugh in his face.


I would love to see Obama walk to the debate podium with an iPad loaded with ammunition like this.
 
2012-04-29 10:26:09 AM

Roy_G_Biv: StopLurkListen: So it's OK for conservatives to like (or buy) the Volt now?

[i257.photobucket.com image 390x216]

Nope. Still not buying anything from Unamerican Motors.

New talking point, guys! No more "Not Buying from Government Motors" jokes, Romney's now claiming credit for the success of the bailout. Please adjust your AM radio call-ins, peeps.

No. Mitt doesn't tell actual conservatives what to think, just like McCain didn't. He's simply the lesser of two evils, so we'll be voting for him come November. It doesn't matter what he's saying about GM because we already know Obama is a much bigger liar and more corrupt than any president in our lifetime. Abd yes, that includes Nixon.

So if you were dumb enought to buy a Volt, I wouldn't count on the demand or resale value increasing any time soon.


Lol what's unamerican about Chevrolet?

/is it the silent T?
 
2012-04-29 10:27:12 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Shrugging Atlas: The Obama campaign will just tuck this one away, then Obama will either drop this in his "laughing this shiat is so stupid" delivery in his stump speech, or he'll bust it out with Romney standing right in front of him during a debate and all but laugh in his face.

I would love to see Obama walk to the debate podium with an iPad loaded with ammunition like this.


Roll pull up [track] 212!
 
2012-04-29 10:27:58 AM

QU!RK1019: Roy_G_Biv: StopLurkListen: So it's OK for conservatives to like (or buy) the Volt now?

[i257.photobucket.com image 390x216]

Nope. Still not buying anything from Unamerican Motors.

New talking point, guys! No more "Not Buying from Government Motors" jokes, Romney's now claiming credit for the success of the bailout. Please adjust your AM radio call-ins, peeps.

No. Mitt doesn't tell actual conservatives what to think, just like McCain didn't. He's simply the lesser of two evils, so we'll be voting for him come November. It doesn't matter what he's saying about GM because we already know Obama is a much bigger liar and more corrupt than any president in our lifetime. Abd yes, that includes Nixon.

So if you were dumb enought to buy a Volt, I wouldn't count on the demand or resale value increasing any time soon.

Lol what's unamerican about Chevrolet?

/is it the silent T?


My parents bought a GMC Terrain that was made in Canada.

So I guess it's unamerican in that regard, but something tells me that isn't what he meant.

/CSB
 
2012-04-29 10:37:06 AM

ox45tallboy: "Worse than Nixon!" is actually pretty tame by comparison.


Yes, the comparison is very unfair to Nixon. I don't recall Nixon assassinating American citizen
 
2012-04-29 10:38:58 AM

QU!RK1019: Lol what's unamerican about Chevrolet?

/is it the silent T?


The spelling *is* very French.
 
2012-04-29 10:40:54 AM

Roy_G_Biv: He's simply the lesser of two evils, so we'll be voting for him come November. It doesn't matter what he's saying about GM because we already know Obama Bush is a much bigger liar and more corrupt than any president in our lifetime. Abd yes, that includes Nixon.


I think I just flashbacked to 2004, and I've never even used LSD.
 
2012-04-29 10:42:19 AM

Muta: Yes, the comparison is very unfair to Nixon. I don't recall Nixon assassinating American citizen


Were there any American citizens in Cambodia?
 
2012-04-29 10:43:27 AM

Muta: ox45tallboy: "Worse than Nixon!" is actually pretty tame by comparison.

Yes, the comparison is very unfair to Nixon. I don't recall Nixon assassinating American citizen


Do you honestly believe that there weren't much worse (and actually illegal) shenanigans being pulled by the CIA under Nixon?

You're so cute.
 
2012-04-29 10:43:57 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I would love to see Obama walk to the debate podium with an iPad loaded with ammunition like this.


I like it. Every time Romney gives an answer or makes a statement, Obama just holds it up with that "biatch please" look on his face and plays a video of Romney saying the exact opposite thing.
 
2012-04-29 10:45:00 AM
 
2012-04-29 10:46:16 AM

Shrugging Atlas: LouDobbsAwaaaay: I would love to see Obama walk to the debate podium with an iPad loaded with ammunition like this.

I like it. Every time Romney gives an answer or makes a statement, Obama just holds it up with that "biatch please" look on his face and plays a video of Romney saying the exact opposite thing.


It would be reminiscent of Jon Stewart's interview with Jim Cramer.
 
2012-04-29 10:49:56 AM

StopLurkListen: Kittypie070:


Please don't do that "ching chong" asian crap.


Welcome to Fark.
 
2012-04-29 10:50:56 AM

Muta: ox45tallboy: "Worse than Nixon!" is actually pretty tame by comparison.

Yes, the comparison is very unfair to Nixon. I don't recall Nixon assassinating American citizen


cdn.gs.uproxx.com
 
2012-04-29 10:55:19 AM

HeartBurnKid: I swear, it's like these guys don't realize we have the Internet now...


The internet now provides these lunatics with a completely different narrative. And you'll never overcome it. Like most lefties, you think that proving someone wrong with facts will make them change their minds.

You let me know how that turns out for you.
 
2012-04-29 11:25:20 AM
Um, I didn't know Obama was even president back in the fall of 2008.

Wow, that guy can do ANYTHING!
 
2012-04-29 11:25:39 AM

Tor_Eckman: Muta: ox45tallboy: "Worse than Nixon!" is actually pretty tame by comparison.

Yes, the comparison is very unfair to Nixon. I don't recall Nixon assassinating American citizen

Do you honestly believe that there weren't much worse (and actually illegal) shenanigans being pulled by the CIA under Nixon?

You're so cute.


I remember when Nixon was the right wing devil incarnate, now he's an enviropansy, communist appeasing anti-business socialist.

It's amazing what a few decades of media consolidation can do to the overton window
 
2012-04-29 11:29:03 AM

ghare: Romney is just not that smart or talented.


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-29 11:29:06 AM
When Obama wins in November, Romney will claim to have voted for him.
 
2012-04-29 11:30:59 AM
I'm really confused. If the agreement took place in December 2008 in the Bush White House, and if Romney wants to suddenly say the bailout was a good idea and was his idea.... wouldn't the smart thing be to say he gave the idea to Bush?

Romney's not only lying, but unnecessarily crediting Obama at the same time. You can't buy that kind of stupidity.
 
2012-04-29 11:31:20 AM

AnEvilGuest: Tor_Eckman: Muta: ox45tallboy: "Worse than Nixon!" is actually pretty tame by comparison.

Yes, the comparison is very unfair to Nixon. I don't recall Nixon assassinating American citizen

Do you honestly believe that there weren't much worse (and actually illegal) shenanigans being pulled by the CIA under Nixon?

You're so cute.

I remember when Nixon was the right wing devil incarnate, now he's an enviropansy, communist appeasing anti-business socialist.

It's amazing what a few decades of media consolidation can do to the overton window


I know, that job-killing EPA was all Nixon's fault!

Why couldn't he just let the rivers burn? Didn't he realize how many jobs would be killed by not letting the free market decide acceptable pollution levels?

This is all anyone needs to know about Nixon and the current health care situation:

www.triplepundit.com
 
2012-04-29 11:31:42 AM

RainDawg: The more I learn about mormonism the more it does seem like a cult.


And this is why I don't quite care for my sister choosing it as her religion. I had known years before that it was a creepy cult because of Warren Jeffs and the missionaries that knocked on my door yet got very uncomfortable when I brought him up. I hadn't expected her to show up a couple of Christmases ago with an utter bastard who was a Mormon. He didn't really have any redeeming values at all,she was planning to get an annulment last time I talked to her,but he did apparently get her hooked on this farking weird shiat. Dammit I liked her better as a person when she was Wiccan because apparently being Mormon makes you think you're better than every single person you come into contact with within months of being in the church.
 
2012-04-29 11:38:30 AM

A Terrible Human: RainDawg: The more I learn about mormonism the more it does seem like a cult..... apparently being Mormon makes you think you're better than every single person you come into contact with within months of being in the church.


That's one of the definitions of a cult. Or being Southern Baptist. Whichever.
 
2012-04-29 11:48:28 AM

ghare: That's one of the definitions of a cult. Or being Southern Baptist. Whichever.


Ahahahaha that's kinda funny cause the church we went to growing was a Baptist church,do you consider southeast Ky southern enough? I learned very early on that if you're one of the poor kids in the church the adults aren't as nice and talk down to you no matter which damn baptist church you go to. It was all very keeping up the Joneses mentality with both of the baptist churches our family went to.
/And that's why I'm agnostic.
 
2012-04-29 11:53:46 AM
While we're at it, it was also Romney's idea to kill Bin Laden
 
2012-04-29 11:56:00 AM
"The president tells us that without his intervention things in Detroit would be worse," Romney wrote. "I believe that without his intervention things there would be better."

Reminded me of...

"Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."


Wonder what Romney's record is. Betcha it's higher than six.
 
2012-04-29 12:19:02 PM

A Terrible Human: And this is why I don't quite care for my sister choosing it as her religion. I had known years before that it was a creepy cult because of Warren Jeffs and the missionaries that knocked on my door yet got very uncomfortable when I brought him up. I hadn't expected her to show up a couple of Christmases ago with an utter bastard who was a Mormon. He didn't really have any redeeming values at all,she was planning to get an annulment last time I talked to her,but he did apparently get her hooked on this farking weird shiat. Dammit I liked her better as a person when she was Wiccan because apparently being Mormon makes you think you're better than every single person you come into contact with within months of being in the church.


Ah, Wiccan to Mormon? So is she a bit of a causehead, faithwise? Just floats around to whatever her current social group pushes her towards, regardless of what she actually believes?

I've known a few people like that. For them, it doesn't matter what they actually believe in, as long as it's the same as their current circle of loved ones/friends/etc.
 
2012-04-29 12:30:27 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: The whole "lying because the base will believe whatever shiat I spew out" strategy will not work too well for Mitt being that the 20%ers hate his ass about half as much as they hate President Obama, and half of infinity is still a lot


He doesn't have to worry about placating anyone who hates Obama twice as much as they hate him. Welcome to the two-party system.
 
2012-04-29 12:31:44 PM

Jorn the Younger:
That's true, and I don't look at religion as an inherently bad thing, and I probably should have been more precise with my language. There are many aspects of religious organisations that are positive, and there are many members of any given faith for whom 'church is a thing to do on Sunday'- they are not die-hard adherents to the dogma, but enjoy gathering with their neighbors once a week and having a sing-along, having group dinners, and other social and charitable functions of "church life". Ideally, most of those roles would be filled by more basic social clubs, without the religion so thoroughly interwoven. For I know that faith is a personal matter, and when I rail against religion, or religious institutions, it is because most of them want to take away my freedom to make that, and other, choices for myself. And as Prime said, 'Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.' The very basis of morality is the idea that those will the ability to determine their own destiny have the right to do so- that which is immoral is that which violates the rights of others to self-determine.


Well, when speaking of "religion" in that sense, as I said I see it as a problem with a group mentality that develops. With "religious institutions", you're usually referring to dictation by higher-ups. I don't personally see any benefit to any sort of hierarchy within a religion beyond the local scale, but I don't see the problems that arise from it to be really related to religion in general. People at the top have more power, I think I'd be no less likely to respect a head religious figure than I would a billionaire owner of a media corporation. It's just too easy for a person in position to provide a large group of people with whatever message he chooses to become corrupt, either intentionally or by deluding himself into believing he's delivering justice. The more control you have, the more likely you are to lose sight of reality. I don't think it's impossible for a person in power to exercise it responsibly, just more and more unlikely the higher up you go. Most such situations would probably benefit from some decentralization, but it's not easily taken from the people who already have the most control.
As for morality and freedom, there's still a lot of subjectivity to be thrown in there. I can't think of a way that being shocked with a taser really impairs my own freedom, but I'd gladly give up my freedom to taser anyone whenever the hell I want if it means significantly less worry about someone sneaking up and shocking me all the time. I don't think it's quite that clear-cut. In many cases I'm all for taking away people's freedom to inflict pain without consequence, sometimes even when the pain caused has no effect beyond the immediate. If it was really as simple as more freedom is always better, it would be a lot harder to find ground for arguments for taking it away. These arguments are very often abused by distorting facts, etc, but I think a lot of non-crazies will take the time to look at evidence and weigh trade-offs for some of them, which wouldn't happen if the whole premise were completely baseless.
 
2012-04-29 12:32:46 PM

zedster: but GOP attacking US car companies while giving government aid and funds to German and Japanese companies in the South a okay?


What sort of government aid did German and Japanese companies receive from Republican politicians? Was it at the state level?
 
2012-04-29 12:39:47 PM

doyner: Fehrnstrom


Apparently this guy is the Political Genius who made the "etch-a-sketch" comment too. The fact that he's even still on the camapign payroll makes me think he's got to be somebody's nephew
 
2012-04-29 12:44:53 PM

A Terrible Human: ghare: That's one of the definitions of a cult. Or being Southern Baptist. Whichever.

Ahahahaha that's kinda funny cause the church we went to growing was a Baptist church,do you consider southeast Ky southern enough? I learned very early on that if you're one of the poor kids in the church the adults aren't as nice and talk down to you no matter which damn baptist church you go to. It was all very keeping up the Joneses mentality with both of the baptist churches our family went to.
/And that's why I'm agnostic.


Well In their defense, they weren't looking down on you for being poor per se, but just because your poverty was proof of your unrighteousness and God's displeasure with you for not praying the Prayer of Jabaez hard enough or not "trusting in God enough" 'cause if Jesus said it once, he said it a thousand times, God loves the rich best and material rewards on this earth are the inevitable result of following him correctly
 
2012-04-29 12:46:37 PM

Roy_G_Biv: StopLurkListen: So it's OK for conservatives to like (or buy) the Volt now?

[i257.photobucket.com image 390x216]

Nope. Still not buying anything from Unamerican Motors.

New talking point, guys! No more "Not Buying from Government Motors" jokes, Romney's now claiming credit for the success of the bailout. Please adjust your AM radio call-ins, peeps.

No. Mitt doesn't tell actual conservatives what to think, just like McCain didn't. He's simply the lesser of two evils, so we'll be voting for him come November. It doesn't matter what he's saying about GM because we already know Obama is a much bigger liar and more corrupt than any president in our lifetime. Abd yes, that includes Nixon.

So if you were dumb enought to buy a Volt, I wouldn't count on the demand or resale value increasing any time soon.


I'd ask what color the sky is in your world but your name tells me that already.
 
2012-04-29 12:47:10 PM

doyner: Eric Fehrnstrom, senior adviser to the Romney campaign


Fehrnstrom!

2.bp.blogspot.com

/Surprised I was the only one who thought that when he heard the name
//knows that's not his actual name but sounds really similar...at least in my head
 
2012-04-29 12:47:30 PM

Roy_G_Biv: StopLurkListen: So it's OK for conservatives to like (or buy) the Volt now?

[i257.photobucket.com image 390x216]

Nope. Still not buying anything from Unamerican Motors.

New talking point, guys! No more "Not Buying from Government Motors" jokes, Romney's now claiming credit for the success of the bailout. Please adjust your AM radio call-ins, peeps.

No. Mitt doesn't tell actual conservatives what to think, just like McCain didn't. He's simply the lesser of two evils, so we'll be voting for him come November. It doesn't matter what he's saying about GM because we already know Obama is a much bigger liar and more corrupt than any president in our lifetime. Abd yes, that includes Nixon.

So if you were dumb enought to buy a Volt, I wouldn't count on the demand or resale value increasing any time soon.


I'd put you on ignore but its so obvious you're making this up, I'd rather just enjoy your ramblings...
 
2012-04-29 12:48:30 PM

Bermuda59: While we're at it, it was also Romney's idea to kill Bin Laden


Enough with your liberal lies. Romney killed Bin Laden with his bare hands after disobeying Obama's direct order not to do so.
 
2012-04-29 12:50:24 PM
But in order to make this argument, he must admit that Obama has gotten SOME things right. Well, there goes that far-right vote they've spent the last two years courting...
 
2012-04-29 01:09:04 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Bermuda59: While we're at it, it was also Romney's idea to kill Bin Laden

Enough with your liberal lies. Romney killed Bin Laden with his bare hands after disobeying Obama's direct order not to do so.


That second helicopter would not have crashed if only they'd let Sarah Palin pilot it. But she protected the pilots for hours by holding off Somali hordes with only a sniper rifle.
 
2012-04-29 01:16:25 PM

T-Servo: Shrugging Atlas: Bermuda59: While we're at it, it was also Romney's idea to kill Bin Laden

Enough with your liberal lies. Romney killed Bin Laden with his bare hands after disobeying Obama's direct order not to do so.

That second helicopter would not have crashed if only they'd let Sarah Palin pilot it. But she protected the pilots for hours by holding off Somali hordes with only a sniper rifle.


Mitt Romney charged the cockpit on Flight 93 and the passengers, in their gratitude, gave him the only parachute.
 
2012-04-29 01:18:52 PM
Wow, I never thought I'd see a triple digit percentage ass kicking in a Presidential race until the GOP Herp Derp machine got going.
 
2012-04-29 01:26:31 PM
I was starting to get a little worried when his campaign hadn't said anything demonstrably stupid for 5 days. Keep up that turd a week average Rom Rom!
 
2012-04-29 01:33:22 PM
www.webanswers.com

"Uh... I'd also like to express my fondness for that particular beer. "



/The man never drank a Duff in his life!
 
2012-04-29 01:43:50 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Ah, Wiccan to Mormon? So is she a bit of a causehead, faithwise? Just floats around to whatever her current social group pushes her towards, regardless of what she actually believes?

I've known a few people like that. For them, it doesn't matter what they actually believe in, as long as it's the same as their current circle of loved ones/friends/etc.


Pretty much. I've seen her go from full on fundie to Wiccan back to fundie back to Wiccan. The only interesting thing about this time is the Mormonism and that's just because of how it's kinda creepy. This time it went Wiccan,Mormon,Wiccan,buy A Witches Bible,then go directly back to being a Mormon. It's just weird to see someone flip their positions like that,then again she's a former teabagger who went to Glenn Beck's rally and has some passage from one his shiatty books in a frame.

Magorn: Well In their defense, they weren't looking down on you for being poor per se, but just because your poverty was proof of your unrighteousness and God's displeasure with you for not praying the Prayer of Jabaez hard enough or not "trusting in God enough" 'cause if Jesus said it once, he said it a thousand times, God loves the rich best and material rewards on this earth are the inevitable result of following him correctly


Once again shiat like this is why I'm agnostic because I kinda think quite a few of those people thought like that. Plus it all just seems like a big scam,especially tithing.
 
2012-04-29 02:14:15 PM

Roy_G_Biv: StopLurkListen: So it's OK for conservatives to like (or buy) the Volt now?

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Nope. Still not buying anything from Unamerican Motors.

New talking point, guys! No more "Not Buying from Government Motors" jokes, Romney's now claiming credit for the success of the bailout. Please adjust your AM radio call-ins, peeps.

No. Mitt doesn't tell actual conservatives what to think, just like McCain didn't. He's simply the lesser of two evils, so we'll be voting for him come November. It doesn't matter what he's saying about GM because we already know Obama is a much bigger liar and more corrupt than any president in our lifetime. Abd yes, that includes Nixon.

So if you were dumb enought to buy a Volt, I wouldn't count on the demand or resale value increasing any time soon.


So you're going to keep sending your money to overseas companies and blaming other people for why the economy is doing poorly, got it.
 
2012-04-29 02:14:38 PM

pciszek: zedster: but GOP attacking US car companies while giving government aid and funds to German and Japanese companies in the South a okay?

What sort of government aid did German and Japanese companies receive from Republican politicians? Was it at the state level?


All those new factories in the South were given very sweet deals to be there. There is a reason all bmw x suvs are built stateside. On my phone so I cannot find the exact terms
 
2012-04-29 02:35:49 PM
Here's the thing I'd like the folks who are all "Obama's gunna lose" to answer.

The US re-elected Bush.. Let me repeat that. The US re-elected Bush.

What makes you think we won't re-elect Obama?
 
2012-04-29 03:24:09 PM
The United States Constitution was Mitt Romney's idea.
 
2012-04-29 03:31:21 PM

Roy_G_Biv: It doesn't matter what he's saying about GM because we already know Obama is a much bigger liar


I strongly question your objective reasoning.
 
2012-04-29 03:36:46 PM

Lackofname: Here's the thing I'd like the folks who are all "Obama's gunna lose" to answer.

The US re-elected Bush.. Let me repeat that. The US re-elected Bush.

What makes you think we won't re-elect Obama?


Yeah, we re-elected a President who sucks, why wouldn't we re-elect one who doesn't?
 
2012-04-29 04:00:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lackofname: Here's the thing I'd like the folks who are all "Obama's gunna lose" to answer.

The US re-elected Bush.. Let me repeat that. The US re-elected Bush.

What makes you think we won't re-elect Obama?

Yeah, we re-elected a President who sucks, why wouldn't we re-elect one who doesn't?


Cause this is America! Hell Yeah! Yes we are that stupid.
 
2012-04-29 04:30:06 PM

Bucky Katt: "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt," words that will haunt Mitt Romney in Michigan

Link

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
-Philip K. Dick


I'd like to point out that in that PKD quote, he was talking about the world we see being an illusion created by Satan, and that it's actually the time just after Christ's death.

/I have no idea whether he was being serious or not, it's hard to tell with PKD.
 
2012-04-29 04:34:28 PM
Did Mitt steal the time machine?!
 
2012-04-29 04:56:56 PM
What the actual fark? It was only two months ago that Mitt Romney was slamming the bailout in advance of the Michigan primary. In print. The damn thing is behind a paywall now unfortunately, but the relevant quotes were reprinted. Everywhere.

"Three years ago, in the midst of an economic crisis, a newly elected President Barack Obama stepped in with a bailout for the auto industry," Romney wrote. "The indisputable good news is that Chrysler and General Motors are still in business. The equally indisputable bad news is that all the defects in President Obama's management of the American economy are evident in what he did.

and also:

"The dream of the Motor City is and always has been one of ideas, innovation, enterprise, and opportunity. It started with Henry Ford, and continued with visionaries like William Durant, Walter Chrysler, and the Dodge Brothers. These giants never envisioned a role for government in their business, but relied on the hard work and commitment of private individuals."

What Romney wanted all along was a managed bankruptcy, not a bailout:

"Managed bankruptcy may sound like a death knell. But in fact, it is a way for a troubled company to restructure itself rapidly, entering and leaving the courtroom sometimes in weeks or months instead of years, and then returning to profitable operation."
 
2012-04-29 05:05:44 PM
www.plunderbund.com
Look! I'm a 'moderate', again. Pay no mind to what I actually have been saying.

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Ha ha. It is to laugh.
 
2012-04-29 05:11:25 PM

ox45tallboy: Muta: ox45tallboy: "Worse than Nixon!" is actually pretty tame by comparison.

Yes, the comparison is very unfair to Nixon. I don't recall Nixon assassinating American citizen

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Oh look, a troll doesn't "recall" history. Of course, Nixon didn't assassinate people personally. He had the FBI do it. Or the Ohio National Guard.
 
2012-04-29 05:11:34 PM
The bailout started under Bush. Romney would do much better playing that angle - outside of the fact that Bush added Socialism to the deal.
 
2012-04-29 05:12:44 PM
I wonder just how many GM auto sales were to States and Local Governments, "updating" old equipment, eh?

Romney will say anything he has to, we already know that. No one can know what his real position is by what he says.
That just leaves us his actions over the years, which really is not desireable.

That leaves only one choice other than voting Democrat.
That leaves only one choice other than voting Mormon.

Yeah, You know who.
But you'll be damned before you vote for him.
So Romney gets your vote, because it's not really about America for you.
 
2012-04-29 06:06:09 PM
In 2008, i felt that McCain was intentionally throwing the election. Now in 2012, I feel that Romney is doing the same.
 
2012-04-29 06:30:26 PM

Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: To be fair, the first thing Romney did when he got control of a company was to make it take out a massive loan. But the difference is that while Obama plowed the money back into GM, Romney put the money in his pocket.

Therein lies the difference.

pointing that out gets you screeched at by a bunch of freepers.


Really? I thought the freepers were still in "bargaining" with their dealing with a Romney candidacy.
 
2012-04-29 07:33:07 PM
Stoker 2012-04-29 05:12:44 PM

That leaves only one choice other than voting Democrat.
That leaves only one choice other than voting Mormon.


Gary Johnson?
 
2012-04-29 08:11:18 PM

Kittypie070: Stoker 2012-04-29 05:12:44 PM

That leaves only one choice other than voting Democrat.
That leaves only one choice other than voting Mormon.

Gary Johnson?


You guessed it, Frank Stallone.

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2012-04-29 08:24:18 PM

TheBigJerk: You guessed it, Frank Stallone.

i75.photobucket.com



/I KNEW it!
 
2012-04-29 08:33:20 PM
Mwelp, I was gonna go with Steve Bales but that's just me.
 
2012-04-29 09:14:32 PM

LarryDan43: Marcus Aurelius: To be fair, the first thing Romney did when he got control of a company was to make it take out a massive loan. But the difference is that while Obama plowed the money back into GM, Romney put the money in his pocket.

Therein lies the difference.

Litterally.
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well you left out the part that after Romney paid himself and his friends they would have gutted GM,fored everyone and then sold all the assets to the scrap yard. taking whatever contracts they had left and sending them to Mexico. leaving the taxpayer to pay the employees' unemployment and the loans they took out.
 
2012-04-29 11:38:15 PM

christianity: Well, when speaking of "religion" in that sense, as I said I see it as a problem with a group mentality that develops. With "religious institutions", you're usually referring to dictation by higher-ups. I don't personally see any benefit to any sort of hierarchy within a religion beyond the local scale, but I don't see the problems that arise from it to be really related to religion in general. People at the top have more power, I think I'd be no less likely to respect a head religious figure than I would a billionaire owner of a media corporation. It's just too easy for a person in position to provide a large group of people with whatever message he chooses to become corrupt, either intentionally or by deluding himself into believing he's delivering justice. The more control you have, the more likely you are to lose sight of reality. I don't think it's impossible for a person in power to exercise it responsibly, just more and more unlikely the higher up you go. Most such situations would probably benefit from some decentralization, but it's not easily taken from the people who already have the most control.


Power corrupts and all that, yes, but the thing is, what with this being the future and all, is it's getting harder and harder for any single entity to control the narrative. Within a closed environment, sure, easy, but there are fewer and fewer places in the world where developing such an informational deadzone is possible. Decentralization will help tremendously, and while it might come easily, it is inevitable.

As for morality and freedom, there's still a lot of subjectivity to be thrown in there. I can't think of a way that being shocked with a taser really impairs my own freedom, but I'd gladly give up my freedom to taser anyone whenever the hell I want if it means significantly less worry about someone sneaking up and shocking me all the time. I don't think it's quite that clear-cut. In many cases I'm all for taking away people's freedom to inflict pain without consequence, sometimes even when the pain caused has no effect beyond the immediate. If it was really as simple as more freedom is always better, it would be a lot harder to find ground for arguments for taking it away. These arguments are very often abused by distorting facts, etc, but I think a lot of non-crazies will take the time to look at evidence and weigh trade-offs for some of them, which wouldn't happen if the whole premise were completely baseless.

Being shocked with a tazer impairs your freedom in that you are rendered physically immobile, and thus unable to execute your choices. There are some times when this is actually appropriate- if you have chosen to violate the freedom of another, a tazer is often a relatively safe way of preventing you from doing so. And this is where morality comes in- if you tazer someone who is walking down the sidewalk, or reading a book or something, just because, you have acted immorally because you have acted to remove their freedom. If you tazer somebody who's about to shoot someone, you have not acted immorally because the assailant is about to permanently violate the victims freedom, and your temporary violation of the assailants freedom is a lesser violation. More freedom is better.
 
2012-04-29 11:46:38 PM

Stoker: I wonder just how many GM auto sales were to States and Local Governments, "updating" old equipment, eh?


Are you implying that this is a bad thing? That the government should not, in times of recession, increase purchasing to increase demand to trigger a gear up in production thereby creating jobs and stimulating the economy?

Romney will say anything he has to, we already know that. No one can know what his real position is by what he says.
That just leaves us his actions over the years, which really is not desireable.

That leaves only one choice other than voting Democrat.
That leaves only one choice other than voting Mormon.


Could you explain why voting Democrat is inherently undesirable?

Yeah, You know who.
But you'll be damned before you vote for him.
So Romney gets your vote, because it's not really about America for you.


I assume you're referring to RONPAUL, but the thing about him is he'd be as bad a president as Romney, if for entirely different reasons. I cannot cast my vote for president for a man who would dissolve the Union. So it's not really about America for you either, is it?
 
2012-04-30 08:12:55 AM

firefly212: So you're going to keep sending your money to overseas companies and blaming other people for why the economy is doing poorly, got it.


No. I never said I wouldn't buy a Ford.

And those "overseas companies" you're ranting about build cars here in the US using more domestic-made components than GM does.
 
2012-05-01 06:50:43 AM
Mitt Romney: If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won't go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.

Own your own words, Romney.
 
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