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(The Hill)   (Shakes Etch-a-Sketch, turns knobs): You know, the whole GM bailout was Romney's idea. Obama just did what Romney told him, and it all worked out great   (thehill.com ) divider line
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2012-04-29 04:00:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lackofname: Here's the thing I'd like the folks who are all "Obama's gunna lose" to answer.

The US re-elected Bush.. Let me repeat that. The US re-elected Bush.

What makes you think we won't re-elect Obama?

Yeah, we re-elected a President who sucks, why wouldn't we re-elect one who doesn't?


Cause this is America! Hell Yeah! Yes we are that stupid.
 
2012-04-29 04:30:06 PM  

Bucky Katt: "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt," words that will haunt Mitt Romney in Michigan

Link

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
-Philip K. Dick


I'd like to point out that in that PKD quote, he was talking about the world we see being an illusion created by Satan, and that it's actually the time just after Christ's death.

/I have no idea whether he was being serious or not, it's hard to tell with PKD.
 
2012-04-29 04:34:28 PM  
Did Mitt steal the time machine?!
 
2012-04-29 04:56:56 PM  
What the actual fark? It was only two months ago that Mitt Romney was slamming the bailout in advance of the Michigan primary. In print. The damn thing is behind a paywall now unfortunately, but the relevant quotes were reprinted. Everywhere.

"Three years ago, in the midst of an economic crisis, a newly elected President Barack Obama stepped in with a bailout for the auto industry," Romney wrote. "The indisputable good news is that Chrysler and General Motors are still in business. The equally indisputable bad news is that all the defects in President Obama's management of the American economy are evident in what he did.

and also:

"The dream of the Motor City is and always has been one of ideas, innovation, enterprise, and opportunity. It started with Henry Ford, and continued with visionaries like William Durant, Walter Chrysler, and the Dodge Brothers. These giants never envisioned a role for government in their business, but relied on the hard work and commitment of private individuals."

What Romney wanted all along was a managed bankruptcy, not a bailout:

"Managed bankruptcy may sound like a death knell. But in fact, it is a way for a troubled company to restructure itself rapidly, entering and leaving the courtroom sometimes in weeks or months instead of years, and then returning to profitable operation."
 
2012-04-29 05:05:44 PM  
www.plunderbund.com
Look! I'm a 'moderate', again. Pay no mind to what I actually have been saying.

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Ha ha. It is to laugh.
 
2012-04-29 05:11:25 PM  

ox45tallboy: Muta: ox45tallboy: "Worse than Nixon!" is actually pretty tame by comparison.

Yes, the comparison is very unfair to Nixon. I don't recall Nixon assassinating American citizen

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Oh look, a troll doesn't "recall" history. Of course, Nixon didn't assassinate people personally. He had the FBI do it. Or the Ohio National Guard.
 
2012-04-29 05:11:34 PM  
The bailout started under Bush. Romney would do much better playing that angle - outside of the fact that Bush added Socialism to the deal.
 
2012-04-29 05:12:44 PM  
I wonder just how many GM auto sales were to States and Local Governments, "updating" old equipment, eh?

Romney will say anything he has to, we already know that. No one can know what his real position is by what he says.
That just leaves us his actions over the years, which really is not desireable.

That leaves only one choice other than voting Democrat.
That leaves only one choice other than voting Mormon.

Yeah, You know who.
But you'll be damned before you vote for him.
So Romney gets your vote, because it's not really about America for you.
 
2012-04-29 06:06:09 PM  
In 2008, i felt that McCain was intentionally throwing the election. Now in 2012, I feel that Romney is doing the same.
 
2012-04-29 06:30:26 PM  

Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: To be fair, the first thing Romney did when he got control of a company was to make it take out a massive loan. But the difference is that while Obama plowed the money back into GM, Romney put the money in his pocket.

Therein lies the difference.

pointing that out gets you screeched at by a bunch of freepers.


Really? I thought the freepers were still in "bargaining" with their dealing with a Romney candidacy.
 
2012-04-29 07:33:07 PM  
Stoker 2012-04-29 05:12:44 PM

That leaves only one choice other than voting Democrat.
That leaves only one choice other than voting Mormon.


Gary Johnson?
 
2012-04-29 08:11:18 PM  

Kittypie070: Stoker 2012-04-29 05:12:44 PM

That leaves only one choice other than voting Democrat.
That leaves only one choice other than voting Mormon.

Gary Johnson?


You guessed it, Frank Stallone.

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2012-04-29 08:24:18 PM  

TheBigJerk: You guessed it, Frank Stallone.

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/I KNEW it!
 
2012-04-29 08:33:20 PM  
Mwelp, I was gonna go with Steve Bales but that's just me.
 
2012-04-29 09:14:32 PM  

LarryDan43: Marcus Aurelius: To be fair, the first thing Romney did when he got control of a company was to make it take out a massive loan. But the difference is that while Obama plowed the money back into GM, Romney put the money in his pocket.

Therein lies the difference.

Litterally.
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well you left out the part that after Romney paid himself and his friends they would have gutted GM,fored everyone and then sold all the assets to the scrap yard. taking whatever contracts they had left and sending them to Mexico. leaving the taxpayer to pay the employees' unemployment and the loans they took out.
 
2012-04-29 11:38:15 PM  

christianity: Well, when speaking of "religion" in that sense, as I said I see it as a problem with a group mentality that develops. With "religious institutions", you're usually referring to dictation by higher-ups. I don't personally see any benefit to any sort of hierarchy within a religion beyond the local scale, but I don't see the problems that arise from it to be really related to religion in general. People at the top have more power, I think I'd be no less likely to respect a head religious figure than I would a billionaire owner of a media corporation. It's just too easy for a person in position to provide a large group of people with whatever message he chooses to become corrupt, either intentionally or by deluding himself into believing he's delivering justice. The more control you have, the more likely you are to lose sight of reality. I don't think it's impossible for a person in power to exercise it responsibly, just more and more unlikely the higher up you go. Most such situations would probably benefit from some decentralization, but it's not easily taken from the people who already have the most control.


Power corrupts and all that, yes, but the thing is, what with this being the future and all, is it's getting harder and harder for any single entity to control the narrative. Within a closed environment, sure, easy, but there are fewer and fewer places in the world where developing such an informational deadzone is possible. Decentralization will help tremendously, and while it might come easily, it is inevitable.

As for morality and freedom, there's still a lot of subjectivity to be thrown in there. I can't think of a way that being shocked with a taser really impairs my own freedom, but I'd gladly give up my freedom to taser anyone whenever the hell I want if it means significantly less worry about someone sneaking up and shocking me all the time. I don't think it's quite that clear-cut. In many cases I'm all for taking away people's freedom to inflict pain without consequence, sometimes even when the pain caused has no effect beyond the immediate. If it was really as simple as more freedom is always better, it would be a lot harder to find ground for arguments for taking it away. These arguments are very often abused by distorting facts, etc, but I think a lot of non-crazies will take the time to look at evidence and weigh trade-offs for some of them, which wouldn't happen if the whole premise were completely baseless.

Being shocked with a tazer impairs your freedom in that you are rendered physically immobile, and thus unable to execute your choices. There are some times when this is actually appropriate- if you have chosen to violate the freedom of another, a tazer is often a relatively safe way of preventing you from doing so. And this is where morality comes in- if you tazer someone who is walking down the sidewalk, or reading a book or something, just because, you have acted immorally because you have acted to remove their freedom. If you tazer somebody who's about to shoot someone, you have not acted immorally because the assailant is about to permanently violate the victims freedom, and your temporary violation of the assailants freedom is a lesser violation. More freedom is better.
 
2012-04-29 11:46:38 PM  

Stoker: I wonder just how many GM auto sales were to States and Local Governments, "updating" old equipment, eh?


Are you implying that this is a bad thing? That the government should not, in times of recession, increase purchasing to increase demand to trigger a gear up in production thereby creating jobs and stimulating the economy?

Romney will say anything he has to, we already know that. No one can know what his real position is by what he says.
That just leaves us his actions over the years, which really is not desireable.

That leaves only one choice other than voting Democrat.
That leaves only one choice other than voting Mormon.


Could you explain why voting Democrat is inherently undesirable?

Yeah, You know who.
But you'll be damned before you vote for him.
So Romney gets your vote, because it's not really about America for you.


I assume you're referring to RONPAUL, but the thing about him is he'd be as bad a president as Romney, if for entirely different reasons. I cannot cast my vote for president for a man who would dissolve the Union. So it's not really about America for you either, is it?
 
2012-04-30 08:12:55 AM  

firefly212: So you're going to keep sending your money to overseas companies and blaming other people for why the economy is doing poorly, got it.


No. I never said I wouldn't buy a Ford.

And those "overseas companies" you're ranting about build cars here in the US using more domestic-made components than GM does.
 
2012-05-01 06:50:43 AM  
Mitt Romney: If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won't go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.

Own your own words, Romney.
 
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