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		The Chukchi people near the Bering Sea utilize old school technology to store information: Elders. They not only still have words for mammoths, they still have hunting instructions and recipes for mammoth (newswatch.nationalgeographic.com)		74
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WelldeadLink		2012-04-28 08:48:48 PM

In order to continue study of this cultural heritage, it was necessary to clone a mammoth...

kmmontandon		2012-04-28 08:52:47 PM

Oh, look, more people in on the climate change conspiracy.

I wonder how much grant money they're getting to pretend to see the effects of global warming.

Relatively Obscure		2012-04-28 09:12:58 PM

Because if I made up shiat about how to hunt and cook mammoths, they'd totally know.

RandomAxe		2012-04-28 09:16:59 PM

It's news, but it's not rigorous, nor is it revolutionary. Some of the oral traditions of the Aborigines that are accurate (and which are known to have predated corroborating Western information) are at least 25k years old.

Oral traditions often contain both accurate and inaccurate historical information. Trouble is, it's generally very difficult, at best, to sort the accurate from the inaccurate.

It's a lossy storage method. But better than nothing, certainly.

Bucky Katt		2012-04-28 09:20:25 PM

Meh. Everyone knows mammoth is best prepared with olive oil and a red wine sauce.

Marcus Aurelius		2012-04-28 09:30:21 PM

Smaller mammals are tastier mammals.

Too bad about the oceans, though.

Marcus Aurelius		2012-04-28 09:31:44 PM

Bucky Katt: Meh. Everyone knows mammoth is best prepared with olive oil and a red wine sauce.

The biggest problem with nomadic tribal cooking above 66 degrees north is their definition of braising and poaching always includes maggots. Which is great, if you happen to like maggots.

2wolves		2012-04-28 09:32:51 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Smaller mammals are tastier mammals.

Too bad about the oceans, though.

How many t-bones on a mouse?

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke		2012-04-28 09:38:25 PM

Flint Chef Noontok!

xanadian		2012-04-28 09:44:58 PM

kmmontandon: Oh, look, more people in on the climate change conspiracy.

I wonder how much grant money they're getting to pretend to see the effects of global warming.

They're reindeer herders. They're probably being paid off in ...eggnog. And tinsel. And those cute little shoes with the curly toes.

Think about it! If global warming IS real, what's gonna happen to Santa's workshop? Think of all the kids without presents come Xmas!

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!??

...

/hic!

vygramul		2012-04-28 09:48:02 PM

kmmontandon: Oh, look, more people in on the climate change conspiracy.

I wonder how much grant money they're getting to pretend to see the effects of global warming.

And let's not forget that Mammoths are dinosaurs, and this proved people walked with dinosaurs.

Shostie		2012-04-28 09:50:19 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Flint Chef Noontok!

Today's Flint Chef Secret Ingredient is: Snow!

...

Again...

vygramul		2012-04-28 09:51:11 PM

Shostie: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Flint Chef Noontok!

Today's Flint Chef Secret Ingredient is: Snow!

...

Again...

The Slush Battle was epic.

doglover		2012-04-28 10:02:16 PM

RandomAxe: It's a lossy storage method.

As opposed to 5.1" floppy, 3" floppy, zip drives, 8 track, MD, or audio tape?

DamnYankees		2012-04-28 10:34:15 PM

Relatively Obscure: Because if I made up shiat about how to hunt and cook mammoths, they'd totally know.

This.

Confabulat		2012-04-28 10:45:54 PM

Old people make shiat up. I'm sure it's the same in every culture.

coco ebert		2012-04-28 10:50:46 PM

Confabulat: Old people make shiat up. I'm sure it's the same in every culture.

That's why we have cultural anthropologists. They make sense of the lies. ;)

mamoru		2012-04-28 10:52:18 PM

submitter: utilize

It is impossible to use this stupid, farking pretentious asshat of a word without seeming like someone who is trying to sound smart but really isn't.

USE.

Yes, "utilize" may have a definite meaning that makes it the more correct word to use in some specific situations, but a.) I would argue that this is not one of them (elders are traditionally fountains of information, especially in tribal societies, so this is not an unorthodox use of them), and b.) there is not a single one of those situations where "use" works just as well, and "use" doesn't make it sound like the speaker is trying to cover up for his inadequacies.

/rant
//pet peeve :p

mamoru		2012-04-28 10:53:44 PM

mamoru: b.) there is not a single one of those situations where "use" doesn't work just as well, and "use" doesn't make it sound like the speaker is trying to cover up for his inadequacies.

FTFM.

kmmontandon		2012-04-28 10:55:45 PM

mamoru:
Yes, "utilize" may have a definite meaning that makes it the more correct word to use in some specific situations, but a.) I would argue that this is not one of them (elders are traditionally fountains of information, especially in tribal societies, so this is not an unorthodox use of them), and b.) there is not a single one of those situations where "use" works just as well, and "use" doesn't make it sound like the speaker is trying to cover up for his inadequacies.

Thank you, Master Elodin.

coco ebert		2012-04-28 10:58:45 PM

mamoru: submitter: utilize

It is impossible to use this stupid, farking pretentious asshat of a word without seeming like someone who is trying to sound smart but really isn't.

USE.

Yes, "utilize" may have a definite meaning that makes it the more correct word to use in some specific situations, but a.) I would argue that this is not one of them (elders are traditionally fountains of information, especially in tribal societies, so this is not an unorthodox use of them), and b.) there is not a single one of those situations where "use" works just as well, and "use" doesn't make it sound like the speaker is trying to cover up for his inadequacies.

/rant
//pet peeve :p

Ugh, same thing with "positionality" in social science. Why not just use "position"?

vygramul		2012-04-28 11:07:38 PM

coco ebert: mamoru: submitter: utilize

It is impossible to use this stupid, farking pretentious asshat of a word without seeming like someone who is trying to sound smart but really isn't.

USE.

Yes, "utilize" may have a definite meaning that makes it the more correct word to use in some specific situations, but a.) I would argue that this is not one of them (elders are traditionally fountains of information, especially in tribal societies, so this is not an unorthodox use of them), and b.) there is not a single one of those situations where "use" works just as well, and "use" doesn't make it sound like the speaker is trying to cover up for his inadequacies.

/rant
//pet peeve :p

Ugh, same thing with "positionality" in social science. Why not just use "position"?

Irrigardless: hopefully you resonated some knowings from your reading of the article.

Shostie		2012-04-28 11:40:47 PM

I'm going to utilize the positionality to proactivate my action statement.

mamoru		2012-04-28 11:46:58 PM

Shostie: I'm going to utilize the positionality to proactivate my action statement.

For a new paradigm shift?

pleaseleavemebe		2012-04-29 01:57:59 AM

Purple monkey dishwasher.

Skyfrog		2012-04-29 03:00:49 AM

doglover: RandomAxe: It's a lossy storage method.

As opposed to 5.1" floppy, 3" floppy, zip drives, 8 track, MD, or audio tape?

Floppy drives aren't lossy. They are unreliable though.

Coelacanth		2012-04-29 03:02:54 AM

They not only still have words for mammoths, they still have hunting instructions and recipes for mammoth

The last mammoth on this continent died about 13,000 years ago. My iPad needs troubleshooting every six weeks.

Victoly		2012-04-29 03:05:03 AM

Do they have to wear thirty-seven pieces of flair when they serve the mammoth?

LewDux		2012-04-29 03:19:53 AM

A Chukcha sits on the shore of the Bering Strait. An American submarine surfaces. The American captain opens the hatch and asks: "Which way is Alaska?" The Chukcha points his finger: "That way!" "Thanks!" says the American, shouts "South-South-East, bearing 159.5 degrees!" down the hatch and the submarine submerges. Ten minutes later a Soviet submarine emerges. The Russian captain opens the hatch and asks the Chukcha: "Where did the American submarine go?" The Chukcha replies: "South-South-East bearing 159.5 degrees!" "Don't be a smart-ass," says the captain, "just point your finger!"

zerkalo		2012-04-29 03:29:46 AM

aND Some people are still looking for MUHQMMED

zerkalo		2012-04-29 03:32:06 AM

MUHQMMED Atta

Teknowaffle		2012-04-29 03:34:03 AM

I guess they wrote the spot down.

dang sure		2012-04-29 03:52:50 AM

no humans till writing

what were those others

illiterates...

LavenderWolf		2012-04-29 03:53:56 AM

If we ever develop both A) FTL travel and B) Crazy-awesome super-duper long range high-resolution telescopes, it would be interesting to look back and see, actually see, a mammoth hunt.

kyuzokai		2012-04-29 03:54:19 AM

Teknowaffle: I guess they wrote the spot down.

Who knew Gary Larson was Chukcha?

Khazar-Khum		2012-04-29 03:58:42 AM

FTFA: "Our elders are the best source of information. Better than science or the internet," said Petr Kaurgin, a Chukchi reindeer herder from the remote Turvaurgin nomadic tribal community in north-eastern Siberia.

So why didn't the elders make the glasses you wear or the medicines you use?

buckler		2012-04-29 04:53:47 AM

LavenderWolf: If we ever develop both A) FTL travel and B) Crazy-awesome super-duper long range high-resolution telescopes, it would be interesting to look back and see, actually see, a mammoth hunt.

It probably wouldn't be very exciting, since mammoths typically hunted leaves, fruits and grasses.

KiplingKat872		2012-04-29 05:10:27 AM

...no X-Files reference? Fark, I am disappoint.

haemaker		2012-04-29 05:11:56 AM

mamoru: Shostie: I'm going to utilize the positionality to proactivate my action statement.

For a new paradigm shift?

With enhanced functionality.

realityVSperception		2012-04-29 05:52:14 AM

And the buggy whip makers of Westfield, Mass swallow hard, suck it up, and gird their loins, knowing that they only have to hang on for 10,000 more years before they hold the Guinness book record for the least useful skill known to mankind.

/And no, I'm not anywhere close to the record for the longest sentence...

AbbeySomeone		2012-04-29 05:53:28 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Bucky Katt: Meh. Everyone knows mammoth is best prepared with olive oil and a red wine sauce.

The biggest problem with nomadic tribal cooking above 66 degrees north is their definition of braising and poaching always includes maggots. Which is great, if you happen to like maggots.

Everyone knows that maggots are a highly nutritious delicacy.

dyhchong		2012-04-29 06:01:45 AM

I'm not finding it that hard to believe, when all you've seen over the last several millenia is snow and mammoths, how to cook mammoths would be common conversation. Except more recently it's just been snow, so they'd talk about when there were mammoths.

Do you know the story from two hundred years ago when Tuktuk tripped over and fell in the snow?

You do? *sigh*

TheWalrus469		2012-04-29 06:19:32 AM

haemaker: mamoru: Shostie: I'm going to utilize the positionality to proactivate my action statement.

For a new paradigm shift?

With enhanced functionality.

SYNERGIZE!

jso2897		2012-04-29 06:26:48 AM

kmmontandon: Oh, look, more people in on the climate change conspiracy.

I wonder how much grant money they're getting to pretend to see the effects of global warming.

Jillions of dollars. Climate researchers are all driving around in solid gold Bentleys, while oil company executives live in penury. Because, of course, there's NO money in lying about climate change in service of a multi-billion dollar industry.
(Note-it is acknowledged that above remark may result from a sarcasm meter malfunction).

Honest Bender		2012-04-29 06:31:42 AM

...I still have a word for mammoth. What's your point?

/It's "mammoth" in case you were wondering.

AlanSmithee		2012-04-29 06:58:43 AM

My mammoth is full of eels.

Coelacanth		2012-04-29 07:33:18 AM

AlanSmithee: My mammoth is full of eels.

I know a good veterinarian that can help you with that.

tomWright		2012-04-29 07:50:32 AM

2wolves: Marcus Aurelius: Smaller mammals are tastier mammals.

Too bad about the oceans, though.

How many t-bones on a mouse?

Only two, so you do need to eat about 100 at a time, but the upside is that they are really nice and crunchy

rev. dave		2012-04-29 08:03:34 AM

But do they have ways of dealing with the return of Cthulu and the other ancient ones?

LazarusLong42		2012-04-29 08:21:02 AM

kmmontandon: mamoru:
Yes, "utilize" may have a definite meaning that makes it the more correct word to use in some specific situations, but a.) I would argue that this is not one of them (elders are traditionally fountains of information, especially in tribal societies, so this is not an unorthodox use of them), and b.) there is not a single one of those situations where "use" works just as well, and "use" doesn't make it sound like the speaker is trying to cover up for his inadequacies.

Thank you, Master Elodin.

Oh, excellent reference. Shouldn't be obscure though.

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