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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Leaders of an insular religious commune are under investigation by authorities for extensive child abuse... in Waco. This is not a repeat from 1993   (wfaa.com) divider line 33
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2012-04-28 10:55:49 PM  
3 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: sunlion: I think the Bush Admin really screwed up when they targeted Koresh. That's one the Bush people will never be able to live down.

Uhh... The Waco event happened in the early 90's. Bush took office in 2000. Nice troll attempt, though ;)


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George H. W. Bush (born 1924), 41st President of the United States (1989-1993)
2012-04-28 10:10:37 PM  
3 votes:

mgshamster: More likely the fire was caused by gasoline spread across the compound, as punctured gasoline cans and evidence of gasoline was found all over the place on the inside of the compound afterwards.


And the FBI's microphones picking up the nuts talking about spreading the accelerant. Also that Mr. Koresh had used fire on his own building in the past.
2012-04-28 10:05:00 PM  
3 votes:

jso2897: Funny. None of the people who are all poutraged about what happened to the wackos at Waco seem to get similarly poutraged over what happened to the Move On people in Philly.
But then, they weren't goodnicewhite "Christians", so who cares, amirite?


Or what the Chicago Police did to the Black Panther's head quarters in Chicago.
2012-04-28 11:02:23 PM  
2 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: sunlion: I think the Bush Admin really screwed up when they targeted Koresh. That's one the Bush people will never be able to live down.

Uhh... The Waco event happened in the early 90's. Bush took office in 2000. Nice troll attempt, though ;)

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George H. W. Bush (born 1924), 41st President of the United States (1989-1993)


And the Davidian siege was under Clinton,
2012-04-28 10:32:21 PM  
2 votes:

FatalDischarge: I still cannot believe religion is still around.


If there is no god, then people will have to be responsible for what they do and they'll have no way to atone for the harm they cause on this planet.

That's why so many terrible people are so terribly religious.
2012-04-28 10:16:51 PM  
2 votes:

spentmiles: I lived at the Waco compound and survived the siege. I can tell you first hand that there were nothing at all like child abuse going on. We loved those children and loved each other like family. It makes me sick how we were portrayed in the media. You will all have hell to pay when David comes back and makes you atone for your sins.


Big swing and a miss on this one, but I like how you're always aiming for the fences. Maybe next time kid.
2012-04-28 10:03:02 PM  
2 votes:
Funny. None of the people who are all poutraged about what happened to the wackos at Waco seem to get similarly poutraged over what happened to the Move On people in Philly.
But then, they weren't goodnicewhite "Christians", so who cares, amirite?
2012-04-28 10:01:59 PM  
2 votes:

mgshamster: J. Frank Parnell: 2wolves: Fark It: if the FBI burns the women and children to death this time, too.

Nice troll attempt.

4.5/10

Maybe you didn't know it was later proven they used incendiary grenades which caused the blaze that killed everyone? Or are you saying it's a troll because you don't like to hear truths that interfere with your world view?

More likely the fire was caused by gasoline spread across the compound, as punctured gasoline cans and evidence of gasoline was found all over the place on the inside of the compound afterwards.


I've heard this said before, but never saw any documentation of it. But I always did think that Koresh did set this up to be a mass suicide by cop type of deal.
2012-04-28 09:58:56 PM  
2 votes:

Fark It: And the comparison would only be valid if the FBI burns the women and children to death this time, too.


Actually, IIRC, it was BATF. FBI knew better than to wade into that mess.
2012-04-28 09:45:27 PM  
2 votes:

2wolves: J. Frank Parnell: they used incendiary grenades

Citation please.


In other words they used flash bangs and smoke grenades, which is usually done to disorientate people before you try to breach a fortified compound. Those grenades inadvertently ignited stuff in the compound causing the fire. They didn't throw some type of fire grenades into the compound to purposely burn it down like some people want to believe.

I think the ATF should have tried more to talk people out, especially the children, instead trying to breach so soon, but in no way do I think they were purposely trying to burn the place down and kill everybody like some people want to believe.
2012-04-28 09:38:44 PM  
2 votes:
on a related note, the date of the Texas Fark barbeque has been moved up...
2012-04-29 03:33:41 AM  
1 votes:

Sudlow: ongbok

"Those grenades inadvertently ignited stuff in the compound causing the fire."

It's no secret that they get very, very hot. Hot enough that they can easily start a fire. Hot enough that they need to be used very carefully. Which the Feds definitely did not do.

The Feds did just about everything possible to bring about an armed confrontation. It's not a conspiracy, just incredibly inept ATF/FBI agents who screwed up and lied every step of the way.


No.

I used similar equipment in my military training, inside shiatty plywood structures used for FIBUA training. They do not "get very very hot." a small piece of burning material inside the device burns the tear gas which then disperses as smoke. The only way they would ignite things is if you manage to put one on gasoline (which was spread around the compound by the cultists) or some other such extremely flammable vapour. There's no fire external to a smoke or tear gas device. You are full of shiat.
2012-04-29 12:05:30 AM  
1 votes:

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Remind me again...

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What happens when the Republicans pick an attorney general?
2012-04-28 11:38:15 PM  
1 votes:
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A chance to burn children alive? Janet Reno isn't going to miss this.
2012-04-28 11:15:43 PM  
1 votes:

SharkTrager: cryinoutloud: 2wolves:
And the FBI's microphones picking up the nuts talking about spreading the accelerant. Also that Mr. Koresh had used fire on his own building in the past.

Oh yeah, I remember that! That was creepy.

Think about the FBI story for a minute.

Their claim is they heard the Davidians were prepping to burn the place down and then their response was to punch holes in the building and spray in flammable tear gas.

Does that really make any sense at all?


Read the timeline they have of the FBI tapes. It shows the fires started in 3 different parts of the compound simultaneously and they started well after the tear gas had been used.

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2012-04-28 11:12:07 PM  
1 votes:

SharkTrager: Think about the FBI story for a minute.
Their claim is they heard the Davidians were prepping to burn the place down and then their response was to punch holes in the building and spray in flammable tear gas.
Does that really make any sense at all?


Are you saying they did something stupid, or that the FBI burned the place down? I don't remember all the details, but if Koresh was going to burn the place down, why not try tear gas? Weren't they just trying to get the kids out if they could, and fark everybody else if they didn't come?

I didn't really fault them for that. I thought then, and still mostly do, that if the cops tell you to do something, you just do it and argue it about later. Or else you might end up dead. And so they did.
2012-04-28 11:04:21 PM  
1 votes:

100 Watt Walrus:

George H. W. Bush (born 1924), 41st President of the United States (1989-1993)


Uh. Bush 41's last day in office was in January 1993.
2012-04-28 10:45:08 PM  
1 votes:

gimmegimme: FatalDischarge: I still cannot believe religion is still around.

If there is no god, then people will have to be responsible for what they do and they'll have no way to atone for the harm they cause on this planet.

That's why so many terrible people are so terribly religious.


Hmm, I always saw it more as a "being a peasant sucks, but if I rebel against my betters then my cloud mansion won't be built."
2012-04-28 10:40:54 PM  
1 votes:
I think the Bush Admin really screwed up when they targeted Koresh. That's one the Bush people will never be able to live down.
2012-04-28 10:37:18 PM  
1 votes:

ongbok: I've heard this said before, but never saw any documentation of it. But I always did think that Koresh did set this up to be a mass suicide by cop type of deal.


It appeared that way to me too. Those people didn't mean anything to him, he'd have no problem killing them.

2wolves:
And the FBI's microphones picking up the nuts talking about spreading the accelerant. Also that Mr. Koresh had used fire on his own building in the past.


Oh yeah, I remember that! That was creepy.
2012-04-28 10:35:19 PM  
1 votes:
They should just trick them into thinking the Rapture has started by blasting trumpets over a loud speaker.

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2012-04-28 10:26:50 PM  
1 votes:

gimmegimme: At least the Catholic Church doesn't set buildings on fire. They're all about facilitating child abuse, but at least they don't set stuff ablaze.


Well, recently, anyway.
2012-04-28 10:25:06 PM  
1 votes:
They missed the memo that the RNC is meeting in Tampa this year.
2012-04-28 10:17:14 PM  
1 votes:
Anytime I read the words "revered as a model of Christian values", I know for sure that there's a nasty child/sex/financial abuse scandal about to rear its ugly head.
2012-04-28 10:12:18 PM  
1 votes:
I dunno, sounds like a good fundamentalist lifestyle to me. Another acceptable option would be to send the kids for military training to overthrow the secular government in the name of Jesus. Or maybe that's a gender based role, not sure about that.

/knows two guys who went through those camps
//not sure if I want to know what their sister went through at that age
2012-04-28 09:58:44 PM  
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: 2wolves: Fark It: if the FBI burns the women and children to death this time, too.

Nice troll attempt.

4.5/10

Maybe you didn't know it was later proven they used incendiary grenades which caused the blaze that killed everyone? Or are you saying it's a troll because you don't like to hear truths that interfere with your world view?


More likely the fire was caused by gasoline spread across the compound, as punctured gasoline cans and evidence of gasoline was found all over the place on the inside of the compound afterwards.
2012-04-28 09:56:02 PM  
1 votes:
This '90s nostalgia craze HAS to stop NOW!
2012-04-28 09:54:39 PM  
1 votes:

Sudlow: The Feds did just about everything possible to bring about an armed confrontation


Like when those ATF agents blatantly got machine-gunned by the Davidians.Inflammatory!!
2012-04-28 09:54:17 PM  
1 votes:
This is not a repeat from 1993

Yet.

:(
2012-04-28 09:52:37 PM  
1 votes:
ongbok

"Those grenades inadvertently ignited stuff in the compound causing the fire."

It's no secret that they get very, very hot. Hot enough that they can easily start a fire. Hot enough that they need to be used very carefully. Which the Feds definitely did not do.

The Feds did just about everything possible to bring about an armed confrontation. It's not a conspiracy, just incredibly inept ATF/FBI agents who screwed up and lied every step of the way.
2012-04-28 09:36:14 PM  
1 votes:
"She said no one from the church came to her and tried to comfort or counsel with her. She said nobody from the church said anything to her after the abuse was revealed."

What's her point? Would she have been ok with it if they'd tried to comfort her? If her story is true then they're terrible people she shouldn't be talking to anyway.
2012-04-28 09:36:09 PM  
1 votes:
What is it with warm weather and nutcases?
2012-04-28 09:27:03 PM  
1 votes:
Wacko, TX?
 
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