R33tJaymzEn$0r: El Freak: Maybe this will be the wake up call this guy needs. Evangelical Christianity Legalistic Fundamentalism is a cancer.

FTFY

But I can see how you can take the low-hanging fruit. After all, painting all Christians with same broad brush of crazy a-hole is the norm for the internet citizen of the world, these days.

This isn't Evangelical Christianity. This is Legalistic Fundamentalist Baptist. Big difference.

Same problem as the Muslims. If you don't speak up when the crazies presume to speak for you, don't fuss when people assume the worst.

R33tJaymzEn$0r: El Freak: Maybe this will be the wake up call this guy needs. Evangelical Christianity Legalistic Fundamentalism is a cancer.

FTFY

But I can see how you can take the low-hanging fruit. After all, painting all Christians with same broad brush of crazy a-hole is the norm for the internet citizen of the world, these days.

This isn't Evangelical Christianity. This is Legalistic Fundamentalist Baptist. Big difference.

One adherent of a silly superstition claiming that their silly superstition is totally different from someone else's silly superstition.

Stupid theocrat.

You know, everyone is crapping on the kid for attending, but I'm willing to bet that he didn't know any better.

A lot of your Bob Jones students are brainwashed homeschooled kool-aid drinkers who get delivered to Bob Jones by their parents. Why else would you go to a place like that? Because you have never been permitted to think critically before.

DeaH: Although I think the rest of the stuff is bullshiat, no one should be texting or on Facebook during class.

I say this as someone who is applying for adjunct teaching positions - so I likely will be teaching people who do it:

I don't care if the students are doing online things in class. As long as they are quiet while doing it. If their phone makes no noise when they receive a text, fine. Also, if they're going to do it, I'd prefer they sit in the back of the class.

Article does a shiat job of telling the real story. Kid went after an asshole who covered up a rapist, BJU went after him.

Link

jso2897: R33tJaymzEn$0r: El Freak: Maybe this will be the wake up call this guy needs. Evangelical Christianity Legalistic Fundamentalism is a cancer.

FTFY

But I can see how you can take the low-hanging fruit. After all, painting all Christians with same broad brush of crazy a-hole is the norm for the internet citizen of the world, these days.

This isn't Evangelical Christianity. This is Legalistic Fundamentalist Baptist. Big difference.

Same problem as the Muslims. If you don't speak up when the crazies presume to speak for you, don't fuss when people assume the worst.

There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world. Who exactly are you expecting to speak up and how do you know that they haven't?

Also, if you are a Christian, have you spoken up against these loons or should I just assume all Christians are Medieval bigots?

I know religious threads are breeding grounds for trolls, but it's still worth mentioning that Bob Jones != all of Christianity.

You certainly don't have to share my beliefs, but you must realize that with any belief system (Christianity, Islam, Atheism, et al) there are fundies and crazy people who take things to an extreme and beyond. Part of living in a civilized society is having the ability to recognize that the fringe does not always represent the broad base. When you paint an entire culture or sub-culture with the same brush, you are no better than those you're attempting to marginalize.

The more you know...

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As for the article - I'm on the fence on how to feel. On the one hand I find BJU's policies outdated, demeaning, repressive and repulsive. On the other hand, "they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into". If they university officials were warning him, I find it unlikely that being expelled was a complete surprise. Surely the officials would have had discussed possible expulsion with him before actually kicking him out. I get the feeling he's pulling a "Waaaa, I did this to myself, now I want someone else to pay for the consequences."

PetraeusWJ: I know religious threads are breeding grounds for trolls, but it's still worth mentioning that Bob Jones != all of Christianity.

You certainly don't have to share my beliefs, but you must realize that with any belief system (Christianity, Islam, Atheism, et al) there are fundies and crazy people who take things to an extreme and beyond. Part of living in a civilized society is having the ability to recognize that the fringe does not always represent the broad base. When you paint an entire culture or sub-culture with the same brush, you are no better than those you're attempting to marginalize.

Good luck with that. The Internet (and Fark especially) is home to the type of atheist who is all too willing to say everyone who isn't an Atheist is stupid and crazy. And it's accepted behavior - no one calls it out.

HighOnCraic: rjakobi: El Freak: Maybe this will be the wake up call this guy needs. Evangelical Christianity is a cancer.

You're confusing BJU with Liberty.

BJU is pretty much the same as Liberty, with some nasty racist and anti-Catholic baggage.

One of my wife's childhood friends graduated from Liberty. She is dumber than a rock has entitlement issues. Her nursing degree ciriculum was pretty much pro-Jesus and anti-science, how is this beneficial to society?

Read The Unlikely Disciple. It's not BJU but Liberty, but it's a funny, eye-opening read.

PetraeusWJ: I know religious threads are breeding grounds for trolls, but it's still worth mentioning that Bob Jones != all of Christianity.

You certainly don't have to share my beliefs, but you must realize that with any belief system (Christianity, Islam, Atheism, et al) there are fundies and crazy people who take things to an extreme and beyond. Part of living in a civilized society is having the ability to recognize that the fringe does not always represent the broad base. When you paint an entire culture or sub-culture with the same brush, you are no better than those you're attempting to marginalize.

The more you know...

Except you're wrong.

Even "moderate" christians will tend to oppose allowing gays to marry, support restrictions on reproductive rights, push "intelligent" design into the classrooms, pushing climate change denialism, draconian drug laws, even more draconian laws regarding what constitutes "decency," etc. Christian-lites support and enable the hardcore theocrats that dominate America right now.

Religious people should be laughed at and ridiculed for being the superstitious, gullible fools that they are and the fact that their votes cancels out rational people's votes justifies painting them with the same brush.

Long and not so CSB bro, but here's my experience with Bob Jones.
I was born and raised in Greenville, SC, home of BJU. Due to the random nature of the universe I was also brought up in the Reform Judaism faith as well. Many of school mates in the public education system came from families that were Bob Jones alumni or were part of churches that were ideologically similar to BJU. Many of the members of this particular institution hold dear to an expression first espoused by Bob Jones the (first?) This particular maxim goes something along the lines of "The biggest tragedy in the world is how many people don't know they are going to hell." Taking this idea to it's logical conclusion the faithful would never fail to remind me of the dark pits or fire and pain that awaited me because I didn't believe in their interpretation of ancient books of prophecy. It just seems ironic that an institution that is suppose to model itself after the scriptures fails so miserably. The saddest part of the whole thing is that many of the people there believe they are doing the right thing, and act out of a sincere concern for mankind. In other words, I'm not surprised that Bob Jones decided to expel someone who doesn't fit perfectly into their beliefs.

/end of the rant.
//have known some really cool Bob Jones alumni as well, one of them was a teacher I had at the Fine Arts center who couldn't be any different than "model" Bob Jones alumni.

I blame him.

You have to sign a paper saying you agree with their statement of faith and to abide by the incredibly strict rules. You can't agree to certain things and then be surprised when the rules are enforced.

My little brother was expelled from my old high school for bringing a heavy-metal magazine to school. It sounds ridiculous (especially because it forced him into the JJA program with kids who were expelled from San Antonio public schools), but not when you considered the rules we were expected to follow every single day. A heavy metal magazine was considered outright rebellion in our hideous little bubble.

Fark_Guy_Rob: Umm - this seems perfectly valid to me.

Why the hell would you go out of your way to attend a school that mandates certain values and beliefs when you don't agree with them? Public schools - okay, I understand that. But this? You didn't have to attend Bob Jones University. Presumably, you went exactly because you WANTED those values they encourage.

Then you piss on them and act shocked when they don't like you.

When I was in high school, I dated a guy who went to a local Baptist high school. There were a fair number of them whose parents forced them to go to Liberty University. I met some of them at parties. They were desperately unhappy and some were downright depressed. They came back a lot of weekends to party with their high school friends.

bearcats1983: Where does someone expect to work if they get a degree from this place?

Especially since there isn't a Republican in the White House right now, kind of limits your options.

There is no guilt here
There is no shame
No pointing fingers
There is no blame
What happened yesterday...has disappeared
The dirt has washed away
And now it's clear

There's only grace
There's only love
There's only mercy and believe me it's enough
Your sins are gone
Without a trace
And there's nothing left now
There's only grace

You're starting over now
Under the sun
You're stepping forward now
A new life has begun
Your new life has begun

An' there's only grace
There's only love
There's only mercy and believe me...it's enough
Your sins are gone
Without a trace
And there's nothing left now
There's only grace...

And if you should fall again
Get back up, get back up
Reach out and take my hand
Get back up, get back up
Get back up again
Ohh...get...back...up...again...


No wonder they don't approve of that song, it presents too much of a distinction between Christianity in theory and Christianity in practice

superlawyergirl: I blame him.

You have to sign a paper saying you agree with their statement of faith and to abide by the incredibly strict rules. You can't agree to certain things and then be surprised when the rules are enforced.

My little brother was expelled from my old high school for bringing a heavy-metal magazine to school. It sounds ridiculous (especially because it forced him into the JJA program with kids who were expelled from San Antonio public schools), but not when you considered the rules we were expected to follow every single day. A heavy metal magazine was considered outright rebellion in our hideous little bubble.


Yes, never rock the boat. You'd fit in well in Iran or China. Or the United States, for that matter. Carry on!

IntertubeUser: R33tJaymzEn$0r: El Freak: Maybe this will be the wake up call this guy needs. Evangelical Christianity Legalistic Fundamentalism is a cancer.

FTFY

But I can see how you can take the low-hanging fruit. After all, painting all Christians with same broad brush of crazy a-hole is the norm for the internet citizen of the world, these days.

This isn't Evangelical Christianity. This is Legalistic Fundamentalist Baptist. Big difference.

One adherent of a silly superstition claiming that their silly superstition is totally different from someone else's silly superstition.

Stupid theocrat.



Just by interposing the prefix theo- with the suffix -crat, you don't create the word that means a person thinks that their strain of religion makes them superior to another person. You just prove that you don't know what a Theocracy is. But, let's work with it, anyway, shall we?

I'm just going to presume that you're just another Internet Atheist. After all, you're acting like all the other Internet Atheists and being condescending, intolerant a-hole to anyone who might subscribe to the other Theistic forms of organized religion.

rynthetyn: dahmers love zombie: When I was in admin, if I got an application that had BJU, Liberty, Oral Roberts, or my absolute favorite, Florida Christian College (unaccredited), it was a one-way trip to the "no" pile. There would be zero chance that this person would get along with the rest of the people in the division, and hiring one of them would be a one-way ticket to an assured HR complaint alleging religious discrimination.

Not gonna happen.

That's really quite ignorant of you. A lot of the kids who go to those schools do so because it's the only thing their parents will pay for--seriously, parents threaten to cut off all financial support if their kid doesn't go to the school of the parents' choice--but without even bothering to interview an otherwise qualified candidate you toss the resume. There are a lot of people who graduated from those schools who don't agree with the school ideology, either because they never did or because spending four years immersed in that makes them realize just how batshiat it really is, but you'd rather jump to conclusions and pass over people who could very well be an asset to your department. Also, if you're tossing the resumes because of the religious beliefs of the school they went to, you are opening yourself up to charges of religious discrimination big time.

Done right, there is no proof.

R33tJaymzEn$0r:
I'm just going to presume that you're just another Internet Atheist. After all, you're acting like all the other Internet Atheists and being condescending, intolerant a-hole to anyone who might subscribe to the other Theistic forms of organized religion.

You should damn me to hell because that totally works.

I'm sick and tired of people having their individual rights denied by others because it contradicts the tenets of their superstition. The only thing your post has correct: I am intolerant of those who claim that morality comes, not from rationality, but from a supreme being whose existence and interest in our lives cannot be verified empirically.

People can believe what they want. But when that belief becomes the law of the land and the reason to deny others the ability to live their life as they see fit...that's a problem.

And "theocrat" is the correct term. "American Taliban" would also suffice.

GilRuiz1: What did this guy expect when he went to Bob Jones University?


TV's Vinnie: I'll think I'll go hang out with the Atheists instead, mm'kay?

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(original here)

That pic is awesome!

/atheist, and fan of both Dawkins and Hitch

I'm a graduate from Bob Jones. When I went there, I was convinced that it was where I was supposed to be (In hindsight, I was probably pretty brainwashed, but I was also not given a whole lot of options, due to being told I would go to a Christian College or not go at all.).

It didn't take long for me to see through all the bullcrap hypocrisy. However, by that time, I was stuck. And I didn't realize how useless the degree was until I graduated. (CSB) I actually discovered Fark while I was there, my frequent visits were the reason the site was blocked on their stringent Internet filter.

I've been following this kid since last December, with the whole pastor-covering-up-rape thing, and I'm not surprised this kid was kicked out. He had a target on his back, and he wasn't careful, at all. In fact, he taunted the administration a few times. "They won't kick me out; they need the money."

Bob Jones is dying a slow death. I'll be glad when it is gone.

As for the kid, hopefully he goes somewhere he can get a real degree now.

Fark this guy for going there long enough to become a senior in the first place. Oh boo hoo, no degree in being a rigid, narrow minded asshat for you.

From the Student Handbook

Dating Non-students
•
With dean's approval, resident male students may date a commuterstudent or non-student in town, including the daughter o\f a faculty/staff member living at home.
•
To date a non-student in town, women students are to bechaperoned by either a faculty/staff member or her parents/grandparents or those of her date.

W-T-F

I can't help but feel sorry for anyone who goes to BJU. They're either fully immersed in the mythology, or they're trapped by the expectations of their families and churches
I worked in a hospital, and I wound up working with quite a few nurses who got their degrees there. Some of them were the kind of product you'd expect a highly-restrictive religious school to churn out: sheltered and reserved and not very adept at the medical aspect but were quick to offer a prayer or sing a hymn.

And some of them grew up in highly religious communities but had opted out of the hivemind, and were funny, personable, open, and great to work with. Their college experience was a stepping stone towards wider opportunities, not a model for living out the rest of their lives.

The people running the place may be abhorrent, but the students aren't all necessarily closed-minded Jesusbots.

It may hearten you to know that when I worked in the International Office of a major European university, Bob Jones is on the secret "blacklist" that the major universities use around the globe for qualifications that they don't recognise (even though their home governments might).

Try getting onto a Masters program outside the US using a Bob Jones undergrad qualification.

scottydoesntknow: From Link in Article:
10 days before Christopher Peterman was to graduate with a political science degree he was expelled for posting on facebook.

What he posted was a christian song that the school did not agree with. A song written by singer Matthew West.

His other offense was texting during class, he was given 75 demerits which put him over the 150 demerit limit and subsequently expelled. Chris should be given his money back for a semester of forced meetings, and threats that the school put on him.

A) No mention of Glee in this article, makes me question that part (as that would've been a big part to include)
B) If you expect to be treated like an adult, don't attend a university that still goes on a demerit system. Christ I was done with that in middle school.
C) Also, if you expect to be treated like an adult, don't attend a university who's mission is to supress anything not directly related to their goals. You will pay the price.



Agreed 100%. I actually LOLd when I saw the word "demerit" as I hadn't heard it since junior high I think.

Stupid religious people are stupid.

As a member of the Christian community, I would just like to say this school does not represent of us.

superlawyergirl: I blame him.

You have to sign a paper saying you agree with their statement of faith and to abide by the incredibly strict rules. You can't agree to certain things and then be surprised when the rules are enforced.

My little brother was expelled from my old high school for bringing a heavy-metal magazine to school. It sounds ridiculous (especially because it forced him into the JJA program with kids who were expelled from San Antonio public schools), but not when you considered the rules we were expected to follow every single day. A heavy metal magazine was considered outright rebellion in our hideous little bubble.

Yeah, he signed the papers saying that he agreed to live by a certain set of rules. He didn't live up to his end of the bargain. Just because the rules are crazy doesn't mean that your agreement is invalid later.

Personally, the fact that he was supposedly texting in class is enough for me- I'm clear at the beginning of each semester that I find texting in class incredibly offensive and if you're caught you're kicked out. No ifs, ands or buts. (Personal pet peeve) Everything is clear, nothing is a surprise- so what's this kid whining about? He went to a crazy school, and get's upset when they act crazy?

I think he's just pissed that they finally did what he had to know they would do and is looking for someone to bail him out.

Branch Dravidian: What a BJU coed might look like:

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Finally, a use for a mime that doesn't involve flaying or filleting.

I used to attend an IFB church that supported BJU and some of its side projects (The Wilds camp and homeschooling publications specifically). After the Chuck Phelps episode and coverup I decided I was no longer able to drink the fundy Kool-Aid and began attending a non-denominational church.
/never going back
//Micah 6:8

Mrtraveler01: GendoIkari: From the Student Handbook

Dating Non-students
•
With dean's approval, resident male students may date a commuterstudent or non-student in town, including the daughter o\f a faculty/staff member living at home.
•
To date a non-student in town, women students are to bechaperoned by either a faculty/staff member or her parents/grandparents or those of her date.

W-T-F

There's one college down in Pensacola which designates which parts of the beach their students can go to and it's split up by gender.

Honestly, I can't tell the difference between that school and Saudi Arabia.

/Too lazy to look it up online though

That would be Pensacola Christian College. I don't know if this is still the policy, but back in the '80s they didn't even allow married students to kiss their spouse goodbye when they were being dropped off in the morning.

I knew a girl in college who went to PCC for a semester before transferring to my school. That place makes BJU seem utterly libertine. She told a story of how she spent hours the night before a final scrubbing and re-scrubbing the shower in her room because there was one tiny spot that she couldn't get out and they refused to pass her room inspection (oh yes, they had weekly room inspections) until that speck was gone. And that's just the beginning of the craziness. She also talked about how there was a guy she met there that she liked until she realized that if she married him, she'd be stuck with everything she hated about the school for the rest of her life because he was a true believer. I don't know why she went there to begin with, maybe she thought she could handle the rules, maybe she thought it couldn't possibly be that bad, but in any case, she got out of there after a semester.