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(CNN)   Analyst predicts the cult of Steve Jobs will decline now that he's dead. Apparently he's never heard of Jesus   (cnn.com) divider line 81
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2012-04-28 03:51:53 PM
www.iphonesavior.com
 
2012-04-28 03:55:54 PM
Apple users didn't give a f*ck about Steve Jobs. They like the gear. If Apple keeps the gear coming, and it looks great, people will still buy it.
 
2012-04-28 04:36:28 PM

ZeroCorpse: Apple makes great casings for their computers. It's just too bad they're so determined to make you pay through the nose to get simple things like HDMI connectivity.


How about $6.65? You don't have to buy everything from Apple.
 
2012-04-28 04:39:45 PM

UsikFark: Roughly 300 years after Job's death, a council will be held in another country (possibly Mexico) that will determine his role in Apple. Was he an inventor, or a marketer? What about the rumor that he abused his employees, and that manic product shipping deadlines resulted in Foxconn employees jumping off the roofs? Which historical accounts of his life and actions are to be trusted?

After all, we can't have different histories taught of the same man...


Yes. And they could create some kind of statement, or "Creed", if you will, that will describe in brief everything that is believed about this Man.
 
2012-04-28 04:47:13 PM
I don't know about the cult of Jobs, but I do wonder when the cult of Apple Must Fail will pull their heads out of their asses.
 
2012-04-28 05:14:36 PM
I predict that people will never shut the fark up about this guy for a long ass time even though he's dead and his biography painted him as a control freak asshole.
 
2012-04-28 05:21:14 PM

A Terrible Human: I predict that people will never shut the fark up about this guy for a long ass time even though he's dead and his biography painted him as a control freak asshole.


I hate to tell you this, but most people who succeed absurdly well ARE control freak assholes.

ZeroCorpse: I think the VAIO logo is a bit much, but that's all there is on it. It's not very shiny, at all.


I know you paid $4,000 for that logo. Don't lie.
 
2012-04-28 05:35:28 PM

cryinoutloud: I hate to tell you this, but most people who succeed absurdly well ARE control freak assholes.


Yeah I get that but damn alot of that shiat read as "I'm so farking awesome and special,look at how awesome and special I am". It got farking annoying quick.
 
2012-04-28 05:36:26 PM
I hate to break it to you subby, but the more dirt that is revealed about what an egotesticle (yes I spelled it that way on purpose), narcissistic jerk Jobs actually was, the more people are turning their back on him and the company he built.

Well, that and the little inconvenient fact that consumers don't actually own their iDevices, regardless of how many hundreds of dollars they gave to a retailer in exchange for the product.
 
2012-04-28 05:40:20 PM

SharkTrager: Nem Wan: It makes sense, because no business has ever succeeded without Steve Jobs.

No, it makes sense because Apple failed without Steve Jobs once already.


Yeah, but that was before they had that one idea they had a few years ago.
 
2012-04-28 05:47:27 PM
lol @ utter lack of functionality.

so.. every other tech company in the industry is busy copying 'lack of functionality'..

/ lols @ cult..
// it's good stuff.. get over it.
 
2012-04-28 05:51:46 PM

pixeled:

so.. every other tech company in the industry is busy copying 'lack of functionality'..


They're probably copying the same people Apple copied. As far as who that is, that depends on which of the two successful products are being discussed.
 
2012-04-28 06:37:33 PM

Yakk: For the quarter ending March 31st, Apple recorded $39.2 billion in revenue and $11.6 billion in profit.

For the quarter Apple sold:
35.1 million iPhones - 88% increase
11.8 million iPads - 151% increase

Current cash reserves of $110,200,000,000.00


That's nice. But everyone else here is discussing what will happen in the future.
 
2012-04-28 08:20:05 PM
I also think they will decline, not because of the silly cult personality but because there is a limit to how much money they can get people to spend on shiny trinkets. Once you're buying a new iphone, new ipad and possibly a new macbook pro every 1-3 years, what else can they offer?

Of course I think this is why Apple is so scroogey about grabbing all the money made using their platform, because growth there will probably continue for a while longer. They have nothing more to offer but they can snatch their piece of everything that other people are making if they've got control over the customers and an iron grip on the closed platform. This is their fantasy but I'll think we'll see a backlash.
 
2012-04-28 08:28:36 PM
I think the problem is about Jobs or the Cult of Mac, its about what happens when a dictator dies.

Jobs showed personal interest in every facet of the things that were being made. Much like any micro managing ruler, the final product (in all its greatness and madness) is a reflection of him more than the company.
Without him they'll probably stumble along for a few years until a new dictator comes to power.
Until then, the existing blueprints should carry them through these hard times, what with their smaller vats of money to swim in and all.

/Make exactly what your making but make it smaller, faster, cheaper.
 
2012-04-28 08:30:22 PM

way south: I think the problem is not about Jobs or the Cult of Mac, its about what happens when a dictator dies.


/FTFM
 
2012-04-28 08:34:06 PM

SharkTrager: Nem Wan: It makes sense, because no business has ever succeeded without Steve Jobs.

No, it makes sense because Apple failed without Steve Jobs once already.


That was an Apple that fired Steve Jobs because they didn't want to do what he wanted to do, and didn't want his advice during the whole time they were doing it wrong.

This is an Apple run by the people who were doing what Steve Jobs wanted to do and want to keep doing that.
 
2012-04-28 09:32:51 PM

cryinoutloud: I'm not a gotta-have-the-newest-thing person, and I've always owned IBM laptops (lenovo, I guess.) They look like this:

www.notebookcheck.net

Yup, that's a flat, black, non-shiny computer. Every time I take it out in public, people seem to think that it's from 1995.

I like them anyway. never had anything Apple.


I love Thinkpads. My employer buys them exclusively, and I hope they never stop. Not the prettiest things in the world, but they're built like a brick shiathouse.

Now, if only I could get our IT director to stop sticking Apple stickers on his...

/just got upgraded to an X220 yesterday
//for a 12 inch laptop, it's fantastic
 
2012-04-28 10:08:35 PM

czetie: Vaneshi: czetie:
I could actually make a good case that IBM today is in better shape than it has been at any time in its history, with the exception of the period where it had effective monopoly control of the business computing market.


I've never worked for IBM, and in all honesty I came up in the tech industry in the 90's hating the guys in the white shirts. We even had a saying "IBM: you can buy better but you'll never pay more". That said, I agree that IBM is probably in better shape today that in it ever has been and it has always dominated in very important tech markets. The work they're doing for the Square Km Array is mid-boggling.

Oh, and I finally got over the jealousy.

Cheers.
 
2012-04-28 10:49:52 PM

bingethinker: I don't know about the cult of Jobs, but I do wonder when the cult of Apple Must Fail will pull their heads out of their asses.


Right around the time they actually take security seriously and open up a bit, like everyone else.
 
2012-04-28 11:02:44 PM

lisarenee3505: I hate to break it to you subby, but the more dirt that is revealed about what an egotesticle (yes I spelled it that way on purpose), narcissistic jerk Jobs actually was, the more people are turning their back on him and the company he built.

Well, that and the little inconvenient fact that consumers don't actually own their iDevices, regardless of how many hundreds of dollars they gave to a retailer in exchange for the product.


Don't own iDevices? How so? I'm guessing you're talking about the 'walled garden' approach Apple takes to it's iPod, iPhone, and iPod hardware. A simple root takes care of that problem. The MacBooks and other computer hardware don't have that issue.
 
2012-04-28 11:05:05 PM

HeartBurnKid: but they're built like a brick shiathouse


When you get a good one yes. Which is pretty much true of anything really I suppose. I've just not been impressed with the build quality of the old IBM units (the T41 specifically) screws missing level of issues. But, assuming Lenovo have beaten the IBM out of a ThinkPad I think they'd be really solid machines.
 
2012-04-28 11:27:57 PM
Either Apple's quality will start declining with Jobs' absence or it won't.
If it does decline, this means that Jobs really was the idea man that everyone said he was.
If it doesn't, it means he was just a talking head in a turtleneck and designer jeans,
 
2012-04-29 12:44:57 AM

pnjunction: I also think they will decline, not because of the silly cult personality but because there is a limit to how much money they can get people to spend on shiny trinkets. Once you're buying a new iphone, new ipad and possibly a new macbook pro every 1-3 years, what else can they offer?


If in 15 years MS, Dell and Lenonvo haven't figured out how to match the iMac, let alone the iPod, iPhone or iPad, then I'm not really worried in the short term.
 
2012-04-29 01:09:31 AM

Vaneshi: HeartBurnKid: but they're built like a brick shiathouse

When you get a good one yes. Which is pretty much true of anything really I suppose. I've just not been impressed with the build quality of the old IBM units (the T41 specifically) screws missing level of issues. But, assuming Lenovo have beaten the IBM out of a ThinkPad I think they'd be really solid machines.


Can't say I've ever run into that issue, with either the IBM or Lenovo units I've used at work. So it's difficult for me to say they've gone away or not. Still, our Lenovo laptops have always been really good stuff, very well built and the attention to detail is phenomenal.
 
2012-04-29 03:34:53 AM
From TFA: the magical leader must be succeeded by another charismatic -- the emotional connection of employees and (in the case of Apple) customers demands it

The emotional connection of Apple's customers demand a magical leader. Because all of Apple's customers are fanbois.
 
2012-04-29 04:42:48 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: lisarenee3505: I hate to break it to you subby, but the more dirt that is revealed about what an egotesticle (yes I spelled it that way on purpose), narcissistic jerk Jobs actually was, the more people are turning their back on him and the company he built.

Well, that and the little inconvenient fact that consumers don't actually own their iDevices, regardless of how many hundreds of dollars they gave to a retailer in exchange for the product.

Don't own iDevices? How so? I'm guessing you're talking about the 'walled garden' approach Apple takes to it's iPod, iPhone, and iPod hardware. A simple root takes care of that problem. The MacBooks and other computer hardware don't have that issue.


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A "simple root?" Are you being serious with that? The average user doesn't have a clue how to do that, nor should they have to to keep the manufacturer from disabling the device, which is exactly my point.
 
2012-04-29 08:36:22 AM

Vaneshi: IBM seen rocking in the corner, shedding more staff and selling profitable divisions.


Dude, IBM is on track to double their yearly revenue again in just a few years. They're rocking the corporate world like never before.
 
2012-04-29 11:16:55 AM

lisarenee3505: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: lisarenee3505: I hate to break it to you subby, but the more dirt that is revealed about what an egotesticle (yes I spelled it that way on purpose), narcissistic jerk Jobs actually was, the more people are turning their back on him and the company he built.

Well, that and the little inconvenient fact that consumers don't actually own their iDevices, regardless of how many hundreds of dollars they gave to a retailer in exchange for the product.

Don't own iDevices? How so? I'm guessing you're talking about the 'walled garden' approach Apple takes to it's iPod, iPhone, and iPod hardware. A simple root takes care of that problem. The MacBooks and other computer hardware don't have that issue.

=========================================================

A "simple root?" Are you being serious with that? The average user doesn't have a clue how to do that, nor should they have to to keep the manufacturer from disabling the device, which is exactly my point.


It's a one click process anymore, most anyone can do it. Since many of us with Android devices also root to get full functionality out of our phones (also tablets), I fail to see your point about a locked down device. Pretty much all manufacturers do it in one way or another. A lot of people just like singling out Apple because it's the 'cool' thing to do.
 
2012-04-30 02:26:54 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: lisarenee3505: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: lisarenee3505: I hate to break it to you subby, but the more dirt that is revealed about what an egotesticle (yes I spelled it that way on purpose), narcissistic jerk Jobs actually was, the more people are turning their back on him and the company he built.

Well, that and the little inconvenient fact that consumers don't actually own their iDevices, regardless of how many hundreds of dollars they gave to a retailer in exchange for the product.

Don't own iDevices? How so? I'm guessing you're talking about the 'walled garden' approach Apple takes to it's iPod, iPhone, and iPod hardware. A simple root takes care of that problem. The MacBooks and other computer hardware don't have that issue.

=========================================================

A "simple root?" Are you being serious with that? The average user doesn't have a clue how to do that, nor should they have to to keep the manufacturer from disabling the device, which is exactly my point.

It's a one click process anymore, most anyone can do it. Since many of us with Android devices also root to get full functionality out of our phones (also tablets), I fail to see your point about a locked down device. Pretty much all manufacturers do it in one way or another. A lot of people just like singling out Apple because it's the 'cool' thing to do.


===================================================================== = ===

Yes but the difference is that if I load something onto my Samsung GalaxyS that Samsung or Google didn't personally approve of, they don't turn my phone into a paperweight on the next software update like Apple does. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-04-30 06:42:58 AM

lisarenee3505: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: lisarenee3505: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: lisarenee3505: I hate to break it to you subby, but the more dirt that is revealed about what an egotesticle (yes I spelled it that way on purpose), narcissistic jerk Jobs actually was, the more people are turning their back on him and the company he built.

Well, that and the little inconvenient fact that consumers don't actually own their iDevices, regardless of how many hundreds of dollars they gave to a retailer in exchange for the product.

Don't own iDevices? How so? I'm guessing you're talking about the 'walled garden' approach Apple takes to it's iPod, iPhone, and iPod hardware. A simple root takes care of that problem. The MacBooks and other computer hardware don't have that issue.

=========================================================

A "simple root?" Are you being serious with that? The average user doesn't have a clue how to do that, nor should they have to to keep the manufacturer from disabling the device, which is exactly my point.

It's a one click process anymore, most anyone can do it. Since many of us with Android devices also root to get full functionality out of our phones (also tablets), I fail to see your point about a locked down device. Pretty much all manufacturers do it in one way or another. A lot of people just like singling out Apple because it's the 'cool' thing to do.

===================================================================== = ===

Yes but the difference is that if I load something onto my Samsung GalaxyS that Samsung or Google didn't personally approve of, they don't turn my phone into a paperweight on the next software update like Apple does. Your argument is invalid.


You know how I know you don't know what you're talking about?
All the update will do to the iPhone (should you decide to update, they are not automatic), is break the root, not turn your phone into a brick. Since I see you have not a clue what you're talking about, I'm done here.
 
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