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2012-04-28 08:56:13 AM
In fact, all that could stymie their green revolution, it seems, are New York's notoriously tight rules on pets in apartment buildings.

"We basically need to keep it kind of quiet," Pozdeeva said about their domestic fish colonies. "But that's the good thing about fish."


OK! We won't tell anyone! It's our secret! Shhhhhhh!

This is a cool idea, but I imagine it won't last long now that it's on the Internet. It will eventually get back to their landlord or some NYC inspector who will bust them.
 
2012-04-28 10:55:45 AM
More tilapia! Great...
 
2012-04-28 10:56:35 AM
We dont need no steenking warrants! We are NYC fish police!
 
2012-04-28 10:59:04 AM
That's......really cool. You done good there, hipsters.
 
2012-04-28 11:02:28 AM
There's having fish in your apartment, but then there's this.

"Right now I have 10,000 bees in our living room," he says. "So I'm not just sleeping with fish, but with bees."
 
2012-04-28 11:05:42 AM

bubo_sibiricus: There's having fish in your apartment, but then there's this.

"Right now I have 10,000 bees in our living room," he says. "So I'm not just sleeping with fish, but with bees."


BEES!
 
2012-04-28 11:08:17 AM

mikaloyd: We dont need no steenking warrants! We are NYC fish police!


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2012-04-28 11:10:20 AM
Hope he has a license for his pet fish, Eric.
 
2012-04-28 11:12:10 AM

bubo_sibiricus: There's having fish in your apartment, but then there's this.

"Right now I have 10,000 bees in our living room," he says. "So I'm not just sleeping with fish, but with bees."


Holy crap this. Why the hell was the article about the aquaponics stuff and not about the 10k bees in an apartment living room. I smell an eviction notice coming soon.
 
2012-04-28 11:12:33 AM

Mad Scientist: Hope he has a license for his pet fish, Eric.


And somewhere in his 10,000 bees is a half-bee (which ipso facto must also half not-bee) named Eric.
 
2012-04-28 11:15:46 AM
No pictures of the fish tank-trash can set up?
 
2012-04-28 11:22:59 AM
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"Almost."
 
2012-04-28 11:23:17 AM
We need a "hipster" tag.
 
2012-04-28 11:28:06 AM
Is subby being koi with that headline?
 
2012-04-28 11:28:44 AM
If it was an oyster farm, That would be impressive.
 
2012-04-28 11:30:42 AM
Would be a lot more environmentally effective if they werent using artificial light to grow their veggies.... the thread a couple years ago about people converting their pool area into a giant version of this was more interesting.
 
2012-04-28 11:31:15 AM
Speaking as someone with a moderate amount of fishkeeping experience, both fresh and saltwater, raising fish large enough to eat seems like it would be prohibitively expensive both in terms of equipment and time. Ten gallons for tilapia? Water quality issues I suppose are solved by the system holding much more than that and the filtering through vegetation, but in terms of swimming space, its the equivalent of raising chickens in cages too small for them to comfortably turn around in.

Also, as anyone who has walked into an aquarium store knows, systems that large produce an incredible amount of humidity. If I were a landlord, that would be reason enough to shut these people down.
 
2012-04-28 11:32:37 AM

Evil Mackerel: If it was an oyster farm, That would be impressive.


Win.
 
2012-04-28 11:33:32 AM
I had a tenant into "indoor aquaculture" a few years ago. Twelve 40 gallon tanks led to an indoor humidity of 70%, which resulted in $30,000 in mold remediation.

If you plan on trying this I recommend a humidity sensing fan where you have your tanks.
 
2012-04-28 11:35:50 AM
Since they have little reason to live in the city now, shouldn't the hippies buy some land for their enterprise?

10,000 bees???
 
2012-04-28 11:46:00 AM

Tyrosine: I had a tenant into "indoor aquaculture" a few years ago. Twelve 40 gallon tanks led to an indoor humidity of 70%, which resulted in $30,000 in mold remediation.

If you plan on trying this I recommend a humidity sensing fan where you have your tanks.


Who paid?
 
2012-04-28 11:49:30 AM

CalamitousCrasher: bubo_sibiricus: There's having fish in your apartment, but then there's this.

"Right now I have 10,000 bees in our living room," he says. "So I'm not just sleeping with fish, but with bees."

Holy crap this. Why the hell was the article about the aquaponics stuff and not about the 10k bees in an apartment living room. I smell an eviction notice coming soon.


Yeah, there's at least 10,000 things that could go wrong there.
 
2012-04-28 11:54:28 AM
Im thinking i could get better results with a horse troth in the backyard instead of a bunch of trashcans in my living room.

Call me silly if you may.
 
2012-04-28 11:54:47 AM
what is this I don't even beads?

All for creative food production especially in tight spaces. I spent four years hauling container plants between rentals in college since leases were up in August but I still had basil growing dammit. But jesus f--king christ. How is that enough space for the fish to live half decent lives? Also, THE GODDAMN INDOOR BEES.

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2012-04-28 12:01:12 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I still had basil growing


You also know who had Basil?

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2012-04-28 12:05:05 PM

ModernLuddite: That's......really cool. You done good there, hipsters.


That was my thought, too - I have a ventilated barn that could do with a nearly self-contained food producing setup.
 
2012-04-28 12:10:29 PM
Toole breeds several fish in his trash can farms, but tilapia do best.

Nasty assed fish -- I saw that Dirty Jobs show about tilapia,I'll never eat the Shait eating fish again, You heard that right -- they fed them farm raised fish Shait.
 
2012-04-28 12:10:57 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: But jesus f--king christ. How is that enough space for the fish to live half decent lives? Also, THE GODDAMN INDOOR BEES.

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I thought the same thing, but it seems tilapia don't need a lot of space. According to Wikipedia anyway.
 
2012-04-28 12:14:44 PM
FTA
So you recycle, drive a small car, and try to eat organic. But what about running an eco-sustainable fish farm combined with a naturally fertilized vegetable patch in your kitchen?

Recycling is actually bad for the environment (it uses more resources than it saves) and organic is also worse for the environment (it takes a lot more land to raise food for the same amount). Hipsters are farking retards.
 
2012-04-28 12:31:49 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com

Old news is old
 
2012-04-28 12:37:32 PM

Seasons I'v Withered: Toole breeds several fish in his trash can farms, but tilapia do best.

Nasty assed fish -- I saw that Dirty Jobs show about tilapia,I'll never eat the Shait eating fish again, You heard that right -- they fed them farm raised fish Shait.


That doesnt bother me as much as they sell the fry for $5 each!
Talapia is dirt frigging cheap already. For the same price, i can negate the whole raising the fish part and just go to the local asian market and purchas a whole.. still alive.. talapia from them.

Ask for a talapia, and the butcher will scoop one out of the big tank and immeditly lop its head off, scale it, dress it and wrap it up for you
 
2012-04-28 12:42:36 PM

machoprogrammer: FTA


Recycling is actually bad for the environment (it uses more resources than it saves) and organic is also worse for the environment (it takes a lot more land to raise food for the same amount). Hipsters are farking retards.


Blanket statements like yours are retarded.
 
2012-04-28 01:01:30 PM
Aquaponics is pretty common in the PNW (mostly industrial... mostly with a great deal of pollution. But there are also hobbyists.)

I love the idea of tank-raising some fish with a pond with vegetation and even some edibles for filtration, but this really is not a concept that is feasible in most apartments. Backyards, in temperate climates? Absolutely. It's not much more difficult than building and maintaining a regular pond where you raise koi or cultivate water lilies.
 
2012-04-28 01:02:41 PM

Tax Boy: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

Old news is old


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Agrees.
 
2012-04-28 01:02:50 PM

machoprogrammer: FTA
So you recycle, drive a small car, and try to eat organic. But what about running an eco-sustainable fish farm combined with a naturally fertilized vegetable patch in your kitchen?

Recycling is actually bad for the environment (it uses more resources than it saves) and organic is also worse for the environment (it takes a lot more land to raise food for the same amount). Hipsters are farking retards.


As ever, it depends on what you're recycling (or re-using) and what you're buying organic, and how you quantify environmental damage.
 
2012-04-28 01:03:11 PM
The electricity costs from running the lights and the pumps for a year for a single fish fry and a salad seem like a waste of money. Cool concept, though.
 
2012-04-28 01:09:22 PM

bobbette: Aquaponics is pretty common in the PNW (mostly industrial... mostly with a great deal of pollution. But there are also hobbyists.)

I love the idea of tank-raising some fish with a pond with vegetation and even some edibles for filtration, but this really is not a concept that is feasible in most apartments. Backyards, in temperate climates? Absolutely. It's not much more difficult than building and maintaining a regular pond where you raise koi or cultivate water lilies.



This. I've got a big enough yard, and two large gardens, and I've considered putting a pond in so I could use the tilapia to fertilize the garden. I'd absolutely love to do it, and would consider the pond an extra big fishtank that also helped my garden.

My problem is I absolutely cannot stand eating fish. It's too bad I can't find someone to trade the fish to for something else, because to me all fish taste gross.
 
2012-04-28 01:11:39 PM
Solent Green! It's PEOPLE!!!
 
2012-04-28 01:29:16 PM
"Right now I have 10,000 bees in our living room," he says.

Bet he doesn't worry about break-ins
 
2012-04-28 01:34:21 PM

miniflea: Speaking as someone with a moderate amount of fishkeeping experience, both fresh and saltwater, raising fish large enough to eat seems like it would be prohibitively expensive both in terms of equipment and time. Ten gallons for tilapia? Water quality issues I suppose are solved by the system holding much more than that and the filtering through vegetation, but in terms of swimming space, its the equivalent of raising chickens in cages too small for them to comfortably turn around in.

Also, as anyone who has walked into an aquarium store knows, systems that large produce an incredible amount of humidity. If I were a landlord, that would be reason enough to shut these people down.


Exactly. This is not a new idea. Back when Jimmy Carter was president the green movement was big on shiat like this. It didn't work back then and it won't work now. But here is the draw back. You work like hell for 9 months (FTA) to get a couple of meals out of some crappy fish raised in a stinking little bucket, tolerating the mess and the smell and the humidity and the risk of black mold and the cramped quarters. Not worth it. Buy a farking fishing pole, you idiots or better yet go down to the fish market and buy a bag of frozen tilapia for $0.50 a pound. They raise those things on fish farms feeding them shiat from other shiat producing processes and they will taste better than whatever stunted thing grows in your bucket.
 
2012-04-28 01:36:47 PM
Eating farm raised fish is the only way to avoid the ecological disaster that is industrialized fishing.

/save the environment.
/eat a cow.
 
2012-04-28 01:53:40 PM

machoprogrammer: Recycling is actually bad for the environment (it uses more resources than it saves) and organic is also worse for the environment (it takes a lot more land to raise food for the same amount). Hipsters are farking retards.


I could write 10 pages detailing all of the fail in your first sentence, and still barely scratch the surface of your patina of stupidity.

But yeah, hipsters get on my nerves too.
 
2012-04-28 01:56:11 PM

way south: Eating farm raised fish is the only way to avoid the ecological disaster that is industrialized fishing.



www.jeffbots.com

Agrees.


/Fish! And sea greens! And protein from the sea!
 
2012-04-28 01:58:37 PM
Move out to the country idiots. It would be nice if even one of these "eco pioneers" weren't some idiot from the city trying to start a support group or charge money for what country folks have done for years. Yet another reason to not move to NYC, farking shiathole that it is...
 
2012-04-28 02:08:01 PM
This is perhaps the most retarded idea I've read today.
$100 worth of organic free range bullshiat says they never eat a damn thing from that mess.

Just keep charging those school kids for your song and dance show morans. At least that makes you good at capitalism if nothing else.
 
2012-04-28 02:43:41 PM

maldinero: machoprogrammer: FTA


Recycling is actually bad for the environment (it uses more resources than it saves) and organic is also worse for the environment (it takes a lot more land to raise food for the same amount). Hipsters are farking retards.

Blanket statements like yours are retarded.


Insults blanket statement with blanket statement.
 
2012-04-28 02:44:47 PM
Haven't they been doing this for years?
www.corbisimages.com
 
2012-04-28 03:02:03 PM

I am waiter hear me roar: way south: Eating farm raised fish is the only way to avoid the ecological disaster that is industrialized fishing.


[www.jeffbots.com image 550x367]

Agrees.


/Fish! And sea greens! And protein from the sea!


well, yeah... until the equipment breaks down and the dude starts feeding people to the people instead.

hey.. didn't they kill that thing in the movie? if that's the case... wouldn't the entire system for delivering food to the rest of the Logans run society come to a grinding halt leading to the demise of all the inhabitants?

Steigen: This is perhaps the most retarded idea I've read today.
$100 worth of organic free range bullshiat says they never eat a damn thing from that mess.

Just keep charging those school kids for your song and dance show morans. At least that makes you good at capitalism if nothing else.


I think you answered your own statement.. remember... they are bankers, and one of them is Russian. so that covers the whole lack of soul and disregard for life thing
 
2012-04-28 03:08:00 PM

darkvstar: miniflea: Speaking as someone with a moderate amount of fishkeeping experience, both fresh and saltwater, raising fish large enough to eat seems like it would be prohibitively expensive both in terms of equipment and time. Ten gallons for tilapia? Water quality issues I suppose are solved by the system holding much more than that and the filtering through vegetation, but in terms of swimming space, its the equivalent of raising chickens in cages too small for them to comfortably turn around in.

Also, as anyone who has walked into an aquarium store knows, systems that large produce an incredible amount of humidity. If I were a landlord, that would be reason enough to shut these people down.

Exactly. This is not a new idea. Back when Jimmy Carter was president the green movement was big on shiat like this. It didn't work back then and it won't work now. But here is the draw back. You work like hell for 9 months (FTA) to get a couple of meals out of some crappy fish raised in a stinking little bucket, tolerating the mess and the smell and the humidity and the risk of black mold and the cramped quarters. Not worth it. Buy a farking fishing pole, you idiots or better yet go down to the fish market and buy a bag of frozen tilapia for $0.50 a pound. They raise those things on fish farms feeding them shiat from other shiat producing processes and they will taste better than whatever stunted thing grows in your bucket.



Oh, I don't know if they're doing it right or not, but it isn't hard to ventilate a space if you know that humidity is a concern. First of all, you can begin by covering the containers you have the fish in, which will reduce evaporation and moisture. Next you can get a humidity controlled fan like was linked earlier. You can even get a non-humidity controlled fan and just make sure you're leaving it to ventilate the space slowly but continuously. To avoid problems with running you heating or AC up a lot you can sequester that room off from the other with those hanging plastic strip barriers or something. I'd also make sure I had plastic down to protect the floor from splashes.

Plus a lot of people design those aquaculture systems as fairly closed systems... Plants on top, fish on the bottom. An enclosed system will limit the amount of evaporation.

But like I said, I don't know if they're actually bothering to do any of that. Personally I'm not sure "buckets" (barrels) are the way to go though. There are issues you get when you crowd any kind of animal too closely. Just because it can manage to survive in just a few gallons doesn't mean that's how I want my food to be raised. I'd want a bigger tank so the fish had more room to move and exercise their muscles - the muscles are what you're raising them for! A bigger tank with plants on top of it and it could make for a good indoor system. There are lots of people who have done exactly that.... but then I'd worry about the weight on the floor! When people do these indoor systems they're usually in old factories which were built with floors strong enough to accommodate a lot of weight - apartment building floors were not.
 
2012-04-28 03:09:08 PM
What happens if you want to eat fish more than a few times a year?

Growing your own food is a great hobby, but for most things its just not in any way sustainable. I mean sure, 2 chickens could probably take care of our average egg needs just fine, but thats the exception. Do i have the space and time to grow the 70 some heads of lettuce we go through a year? Hell no, i go buy it for $.99 at the grocery store. Economy of scale, theres a reason we have farms and farmers.
 
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