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2012-04-28 03:14:36 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Omahawg: all these gay threads the past couple days but no lesbian picture pornucopia yet?

it's shameful and wrong.

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Does that help? Well I still can't get married to my girlfriend in my state.


Why is it always the lesbians? How about some cute guys instead?
 
2012-04-28 03:14:48 PM  

Gumaraid: To all the Christian haters; what's the beef about gay marriage given all of you are non-believers? If freedom to marry is the issue just start your own religion and make it so. Problem solved. Next issue?


How exactly does this have anything to do with the government extending the benefits and such that go along with it to gays?

/Did most of the people in this thread actually take the Fox News link seriously
 
2012-04-28 03:15:15 PM  
Stalled.

stall |stôl|
5 an instance of an engine, vehicle, aircraft, or boat stalling: speed must be maintained to avoid a stall and loss of control.
verb
1 [ no obj. ] (of a motor vehicle or its engine) stop running, typically because of an overload on the engine: her car stalled at the crossroads.
• (of an aircraft or its pilot) reach a condition where the speed is too low to allow effective operation of the controls.
2 stop or cause to stop making progress: [ no obj. ] : his career had stalled, hers taken off | [ with obj. ] : the government has stalled the much-needed project.
• speak or act in a deliberately vague way in order to gain more time to deal with a question or issue; prevaricate: she was stalling for time .
• [ with obj. ] delay or divert (someone) by acting in such a way: stall him until I've had time to take a look.

/was not wrong.
 
2012-04-28 03:16:19 PM  

sweatybronson: What's the number? And how prominent? You mean '3?' Scott Lively? Is that it? The guy who said he would support the bill, possibly, if it didn't have the death penalty in it?

Yeah, he's a total dickwad - but, still, you exaggerated your claims. So, acknowledging that you were wrong and exaggerating to use the word 'genocidal,' I will then say that the Scott Lively 3 were awful people misrepresenting Christianity.

Those are leaders of the most extreme version. It'd be like pretending that all feminists view heterosexual sex as rape.

No, just the extremists do. Though there are PROMINENT feminists with that viewpoint, of course. That doesn't mean that they are representative.

....
A gay guy molested me in my sleep once. THAT MEANS THEY ALL DO! ...

How come you don't come out against all the GAY GUYS molesting innocents like me?!?!?! YOU ARE SILENT on this issue! You'd better get your house in order, and make sure no more gay guys molest me, before you can start commenting on anti-gay rhetoric and activity
(sarcasm)

It's just a fallacious argument - 'you can't point out something bad here, because there's this other bad thing over there, so, you know, focus your attention on that, instead of this, because somehow you have no choice but to do one or the other.'

btw, misa pro-gay-marriage, in case you were wondering. (In truth, I'd like the gvmt. to keep its filthy hands out of marriage altogether, and let churches, etc., decide what is sacred and what is not....but if the gvmt's gotta be part of heteromarriage, it's gotta be part of homomarriage too).


Ya, he misrepresented Christianity to the point that he gets called to be keynote speaker at christian events and TEA party rallies with tens of thousands of people.
 
2012-04-28 03:18:21 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Inaditch: It sounds like you're falling back on the argument "They're ass holes so we can be, too."

Are we trying to prevent them from getting married? Are we trying to prevent them from adopting? No? Are we trying to say we should be allowed to discriminated against them? No? Then go fark yourself. Good is not nice. Right is not nice. Sometimes you have to call a spade a farking spade.


You know what? You're right. Your hostile tone has changed my mind. Fine work, good sir!
 
2012-04-28 03:18:40 PM  

s2s2s2: Biological Ali: Careful - you're veering close to "concern troll" territory here.

Don't care. The guy was being an ass. The kids were within their rights to walk out, but they were being asses in the process. But it is not wrong to think that being the change you want means not being what you want changed.


Maybe if the kids had stayed, they would have known what he was talking about. Instead they left the moment he mentioned the Bible. What he said was not harassing, vitriolic, or bullying. The kids didn't want to listen to him pointing out the inherent hypocrisy of "Jesus made everything in the OT null except for persecuting gays".

/God says love others as you love yourself and him and don't judge lest you be judged
//Many Christians happily ignore both of those direct commands from God to persecute others
 
2012-04-28 03:19:45 PM  

firefly212: Ya, he misrepresented Christianity to the point that he gets called to be keynote speaker at christian events and TEA party rallies with tens of thousands of people.


Did you know that the majority of the Church misrepresents Christianity? Did you know that the Bible states that the majority of Christians will misrepresent Christianity?
 
2012-04-28 03:21:49 PM  

Inaditch: PonceAlyosha: Inaditch: It sounds like you're falling back on the argument "They're ass holes so we can be, too."

Are we trying to prevent them from getting married? Are we trying to prevent them from adopting? No? Are we trying to say we should be allowed to discriminated against them? No? Then go fark yourself. Good is not nice. Right is not nice. Sometimes you have to call a spade a farking spade.

You know what? You're right. Your hostile tone has changed my mind. Fine work, good sir!


Yet being friendly, civil and open didn't make you think otherwise one iota. Looks like calling out others does work.
 
2012-04-28 03:24:06 PM  

s2s2s2: firefly212: Ya, he misrepresented Christianity to the point that he gets called to be keynote speaker at christian events and TEA party rallies with tens of thousands of people.

Did you know that the majority of the Church misrepresents Christianity? Did you know that the Bible states that the majority of Christians will misrepresent Christianity?


Did you know the bible says life begins at birth (not conception)?
 
2012-04-28 03:25:00 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: /God says love others as you love yourself and him and don't judge lest you be judged
//Many Christians happily ignore both of those direct commands from God to persecute others


Well, John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

But that doesn't counter your point, it just clarifies what the bible says about judgement.
Like I said, I think the kids should have stayed. They might have learned something. Still I doubt the guy speaking was going to shed much light on their faith.
 
2012-04-28 03:26:20 PM  

Inaditch: PonceAlyosha: Inaditch: It sounds like you're falling back on the argument "They're ass holes so we can be, too."

Are we trying to prevent them from getting married? Are we trying to prevent them from adopting? No? Are we trying to say we should be allowed to discriminated against them? No? Then go fark yourself. Good is not nice. Right is not nice. Sometimes you have to call a spade a farking spade.

You know what? You're right. Your hostile tone has changed my mind. Fine work, good sir!


I don't care about your mind. I care about how you act.
 
2012-04-28 03:26:32 PM  

peterquince: Did you know the bible says life begins at birth (not conception)?


And value on human life can't be assessed before a child reaches one month. Why yes, I do. Oddly enough, I learned this on Fark, and after I had realized I am pro-choice!

/love you people.
 
2012-04-28 03:26:45 PM  

Gumaraid: Mrtraveler01: Ugh...this stupid BS again.

It is not stupid BS. And the issue is with the government not with Christianity.


No argument here.

Gumaraid: Mrtraveler01: Marriage was a civil thing, long before it became a religious thing.

No. Marriage has always been a religious event. Religion existed long before Government was ever thought of and implemented.


No...just...no. Why don't you read up on the actual history of marriage before saying such profoundly ignorant things:

Link

/Marriage was a secular thing LONG before it became a religious thing
 
2012-04-28 03:28:53 PM  

Mrtraveler01: /Marriage was a secular thing LONG before it became a religious thing


You know the real reason Adam and Eve were evicted, right? No marriage certificate.
 
2012-04-28 03:31:15 PM  

Samaura: They were being directly ridiculed and mocked for their belief. They stood up and quietly tried to leave, without rancor and arguement, to receive more verbal abuse.

Its verbal abuse and emotional abuse.

He called them pansy asses for acting more maturely than he was, by a LONG SHOT, way to set the example, he's a pathetic asshat.

They shoulda teamed up and tore him apart, and spelled pansy ass with his body parts,
But christians have that whole
/turn the other cheek
thing going on.
AT LEAST they live how they believe. Unlike this dumbass, bullying kids who havent done any thing.


I suppose it's a little easier to turn the other cheek when you still get the first class citizenship and get to tell the heathens that they don't get to see eachother in hospitals, marry eachother, defend their own country, pay the same taxes as you, or enjoy hundreds of other "rights." You people sure do whine a lot for being the ones holding the whip. Ooooh, they complained about how I beat them, I sure am a good god-like for only continuing to oppress them at the regular rate and not stepping up my religious based tyranny.
 
2012-04-28 03:31:51 PM  

s2s2s2: peterquince: Did you know the bible says life begins at birth (not conception)?

And value on human life can't be assessed before a child reaches one month. Why yes, I do. Oddly enough, I learned this on Fark, and after I had realized I am pro-choice!

/love you people.


Fark's also where I realized I'm pro-choice and also anti-abortion.

Or as most people would call it, pro-choice.
 
2012-04-28 03:33:30 PM  

s2s2s2: Keizer_Ghidorah: /God says love others as you love yourself and him and don't judge lest you be judged
//Many Christians happily ignore both of those direct commands from God to persecute others

Well, John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

But that doesn't counter your point, it just clarifies what the bible says about judgement.
Like I said, I think the kids should have stayed. They might have learned something. Still I doubt the guy speaking was going to shed much light on their faith.


Maybe, maybe not. Shedding light on how we condemn people for loving each other because of one sentence in the OT while happily scarfing down seafood, wearing mixed-fabric garments, and allowing menstruating women to remain within city limits and touch everything would be a good eye-opener to how screwed up Christianity is, though.

I have no problems with Christians who actually act like good Christians. It's unfortunate that they're the minority of Christianity.
 
2012-04-28 03:36:38 PM  

s2s2s2: Mrtraveler01: /Marriage was a secular thing LONG before it became a religious thing

You know the real reason Adam and Eve were evicted, right? No marriage certificate.


Bunch of lazyasses too lazy to drive to the courthouse.

I'm glad they got banished!
 
2012-04-28 03:42:18 PM  

s2s2s2: But it is not wrong to think that being the change you want means not being what you want changed.


This is one of those statements that superficially sounds deep and profound but doesn't hold up particularly well under even basic logical scrutiny.
 
2012-04-28 03:45:43 PM  

Daraymann: So attacking high school children based on their religion is acceptable to liberals now?

/Is there anything you farkers can't justify?


That would be terrible if it happened, do you have a video of something like that happening... because all I can find are videos of what actually happened.
 
2012-04-28 03:53:10 PM  

firefly212: Daraymann: So attacking high school children based on their religion is acceptable to liberals now?

/Is there anything you farkers can't justify?

That would be terrible if it happened, do you have a video of something like that happening... because all I can find are videos of what actually happened.


And telling people what they think, and humiliating them in public for the thoughtcrime you're certain they've committed or are about to commit, isn't considered bullying.

/heck, in liberal circles, it seems the only possible social interaction with those who dissent
//not to worry, Minluv will be on the case!
 
2012-04-28 03:53:17 PM  

s2s2s2: Stalled.

stall |stôl|
5 an instance of an engine, vehicle, aircraft, or boat stalling: speed must be maintained to avoid a stall and loss of control.
verb
1 [ no obj. ] (of a motor vehicle or its engine) stop running, typically because of an overload on the engine: her car stalled at the crossroads.
• (of an aircraft or its pilot) reach a condition where the speed is too low to allow effective operation of the controls.
2 stop or cause to stop making progress: [ no obj. ] : his career had stalled, hers taken off | [ with obj. ] : the government has stalled the much-needed project.
• speak or act in a deliberately vague way in order to gain more time to deal with a question or issue; prevaricate: she was stalling for time .
• [ with obj. ] delay or divert (someone) by acting in such a way: stall him until I've had time to take a look.

/was not wrong.


How hard is it to just say something like "Gee, I thought the Stonewall Riots were bad for the gay rights movement, but now that you mention it, I see that they kinda weren't. In fact, I looked it up on wikipedia and it turns out that it actually helped propel the movement forward"?

I mean, this concern troll was weak to begin with but now it's just getting ridiculous.
 
2012-04-28 03:57:00 PM  

firefly212: I suppose it's a little easier to turn the other cheek when you


...literally get up, TURN YOUR ACTUAL CHEEKS, and walk out.
 
2012-04-28 04:02:30 PM  

Tatterdemalian: firefly212: Daraymann: So attacking high school children based on their religion is acceptable to liberals now?

/Is there anything you farkers can't justify?

That would be terrible if it happened, do you have a video of something like that happening... because all I can find are videos of what actually happened.

And telling people what they think, and humiliating them in public for the thoughtcrime you're certain they've committed or are about to commit, isn't considered bullying.

/heck, in liberal circles, it seems the only possible social interaction with those who dissent
//not to worry, Minluv will be on the case!


Again, that would be terrible if it actually happened. As it stands, that did not happen.

Try again next time, maybe you won't be so obviously stupid.
 
2012-04-28 04:04:24 PM  
According to fox news, standing up to bullying is itself a form of bullying. You're supposed to be a good victim and just take it without any resistance. People should be thanking their bully for beating them up. When you take away the bruising, bleeding, lost teeth, and broken bones, it's practically the same thing as a massage. People pay top money for massages!

Using the bible as a thinly veiled excuse to bully is also OK. That's what it's there for. We should all be pleased these obsolete rules are being reused. Liberals are so happy when anything else is recycled! Calling people on their hypocrisy is not OK. Why do you think so many students walked out, other than the fact that their teachers made them do it to cause a scene? I'm sure a lot of them were genuinely offended, because bullies are the most likely people to get offended by being called a bully. And people spend way too much time thinking about the victim when it's the poor bully who must really feel bad about the lives they have ruined. The bully is the real victim, not the actual victim, who is just acting like a target jumping out into the path of an arrow or something. You see it all the time in suicide victim memorial pages with comments like "LOL I hope u like buring in hell". The poor bullies are clearly torn up over their victim being sent to this "hell" place, and this sadness is punishment enough for being the cause of someone's death.
 
2012-04-28 04:05:31 PM  

Tatterdemalian: firefly212: Daraymann: So attacking high school children based on their religion is acceptable to liberals now?

/Is there anything you farkers can't justify?

That would be terrible if it happened, do you have a video of something like that happening... because all I can find are videos of what actually happened.

And telling people what they think, and humiliating them in public for the thoughtcrime you're certain they've committed or are about to commit, isn't considered bullying.

/heck, in liberal circles, it seems the only possible social interaction with those who dissent
//not to worry, Minluv will be on the case!


That would be terrible if it happened, do you have a video of something like that happening... because all I can find are videos of what actually happened.

He didn't even reference the kids until they had made their protest.
 
2012-04-28 04:06:31 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Again, that would be terrible if it actually happened. As it stands, that did not happen.

Try again next time, maybe you won't be so obviously stupid.


Dammit, beat me to it.
 
2012-04-28 04:07:56 PM  
Wow, subby, I want the three minutes of my life back that I spent watching the video, waiting for him to get red-faced and shrill, shouting abuse to teenagers and rejecting the Triune God.

Instead I get a mild-mannered guy speaking calmly and deliberately. No fireworks at all.


It takes a special kind of persecution fetishist to think that a public, non-compulsory, and calm speech is "bullying". Mildly abrasive, at the best. But by definition, since he didn't direct his comments at a particular individual (or even people at all, they were directed at ideas), it can't be *bullying*.

Yes, I know the irony would be so much sweeter for you masochists. But just because you want something to be a certain way, doesn't mean it is. Then again, that was probably the problem the "pansy-assed" high schoolers have in general. Some of those kids had to be 17/18, and some of them won't go to college, so this might be the last education they get before entering the Real World.

And my god, if they have been raised in such a bubble that they feel the need to flee from a person even mildly questioning certain parts of their worldview? Those kids are doomed. Either they are stuck in the cocoon for life, or they are in for some very unpleasant surprises over the next few years. Wouldn't be shocked to hear that Mr. Savage's "It Gets Better" campaign is instrumental in helping at least one of them come to terms with their own sexuality.

But if we, as a society, aren't challenging our young adults to critically think about their beliefs (and I don't just mean Christians, they should be asked to argue over Marxism, Greek Philosophy, First Ammendment, etc) we are doing them one hell of a disservice.
 
2012-04-28 04:12:46 PM  

TheXerox: In the times I have seen, heard, or read his material, Dan Savage has almost always skewed things into a "you're either with me or against me" thing and this seems to be no exception. Turning an anti-bully speech into a platform for bullying a belief which is different from your own is hypocritical and dishonest. If this was as bad as reported then there will likely be clips of this floating around on youtube within the next few days if there aren't some already.


/Christian
//no problem with gay people
///has a problem with bullies and hypocrisy


Someone saying something you disagree with from a podium isn't bullying.
 
2012-04-28 04:14:56 PM  
bully 4 |ˈbʊli|
noun ( pl. bullies )
(also bully off )an act of starting play in field hockey, in which two opponents strike each other's sticks three times and then go for the ball.

NTTATWWTITWYI
 
2012-04-28 04:21:18 PM  
I actually watched the video, and that was a really good speech
 
2012-04-28 04:23:14 PM  

Skyred: I actually watched the video, and that was a really good speech


STOP BULLYING EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD. How dare you suggest otherwise than their reflexive, uniformed beliefs about what he said?
 
2012-04-28 04:23:56 PM  

s2s2s2: bully 4 |ˈbʊli|
noun ( pl. bullies )
(also bully off )an act of starting play in field hockey, in which two opponents strike each other's sticks three times and then go for the ball.

NTTATWWTITWYI


*snrk*
 
2012-04-28 04:46:43 PM  
I've been telling people for years to stop using words like hate, homophobe and bigot when dealing with Christians. Most have no ill feelings toward gay people at all. They just believe it's a choice and wrong. If you ever think you will change their opinions about it the last thing you need to do is start calling them things they are not. All it does is cause them to tune you out as "one of those angry people". If you ever expect to make any progress you gotta get away from the angry name calling.

Ignore the arseholes, they aren't going to change no matter what you say to them. Don't lower yourself to their level. That's exactly what they want. To make you look like the evil people they work so hard to portray you as.

And have real conversations with those that will, while staying away from inflammatory words Even if you can only agree to disagree. Let them see that you are not really any different from them, you just want to live your life the way you see fit.
 
2012-04-28 04:48:32 PM  
Anyone who has bothered to watch the video by now knows that (gasp!) the right wing blogs misrepresented what happened. Your first clue should've been the lack of a video link. Your second clue should've been the fact that they are right wing blogs.
 
2012-04-28 04:51:35 PM  

cman: truthseeker2083: cman: No offense, but you may just be taken a bit more seriously if you were to act professional in an environment such as that. You are supposed to point out the flaws in the other group, not give them fodder to fight against you.

No offense, but the gay community has taken about as much as they can, and having tried civil tones before, some people just snap at the stupid. That's what happened according to this article (I woild like to see another source, as a 'culture wars' 'reporter' from fox news smacks of bias, but...). Sometimes, even the most professional of people can have enough of it, and say 'fark it, enough is enough'. When he's pointed out their mistakes thousands of times, I don't care if he did snap, he's handled the right-wing fundie's crap better than most people would.

They are gonna use what happened there as propaganda for their holy war of morality. They will twist it and spin it to fit their own agenda. I know it is difficult dealing with Christians, but you have to maintain a cool head when you are a leader in your cause.

If you want to win christians over to your cause, you cannot do it in this way. All you are doing is driving a further wedge between your two communities. Be the adult on this one and leave the childish things to the Christians


Im okay with driving a wedge between my community and the christfags. I want nothing to do with them, and besides thwyre on the losing side of a culture war. Anything to undermine them and push them away from the mainstream. Anyone who sincerely believes that ridiculous nonsense doesnt seserve respect.
 
2012-04-28 04:52:25 PM  

jshine: Using an anti-bullying speech as a platform for bullying?


That didn't happen, here. Watch the video. Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
2012-04-28 04:57:21 PM  
Within a generation, homophobes will be treated by society the same way we treat Klansmen and neo-Nazis.

And all the Christians that objected to gay marriage will get amnesia and pretend they were for it all along. Just watch them.
 
2012-04-28 04:58:02 PM  

s2s2s2: Biological Ali: Careful - you're veering close to "concern troll" territory here.

Don't care. The guy was being an ass. The kids were within their rights to walk out, but they were being asses in the process. But it is not wrong to think that being the change you want means not being what you want changed.


But you're just plain objectively wrong. All Civil Rights movements must start with a bit of Malcolm, before ending with a bit of MLK. people will never take you seriously if you ask pretty please.
 
2012-04-28 05:12:25 PM  

relcec:
you know what? that is absolutely reasonable.
the problem is he didn't go seek out and find Westboro Baptist Church and scream at them for using Leviticus to attack homosexuals. he wasn't even having a debate with an adult theologian and started to yell Leviticus is bullshiat.
he basically just started screaming the bible is bullshiat a dozen times to a bunch of highschool kids at a f*cking antibullying seminar.


That's a compete lie. You're a lying liar who lies. Watch the video.

I don't understand the double standard at play here. A small minority is persecuted and repressed by the religious majority who hold up the Bible as an excuse for their bigotry, and somehow it is beyond-the-pale when one of those minority members points out the contradictions in the Bible?

Why are Christians soooooo defensive and thin-skinned? Gay people are just supposed to sit back and accept being called demons, being denied basic rights, being denied marriage, but as soon as somebody utters a single negative word about Christians they're considered horribly impolite and misrepresented as intolerant screaming bullys. It's ridiculous.

If your faith can't withstand a single critical analysis to the point where you go fleeing out of the room, then you're not really faithful - you're faking it.
 
2012-04-28 05:15:57 PM  
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And we're going to give you a Republican for President!
 
2012-04-28 05:16:25 PM  

eddiesocket: s2s2s2: Biological Ali: Careful - you're veering close to "concern troll" territory here.

Don't care. The guy was being an ass. The kids were within their rights to walk out, but they were being asses in the process. But it is not wrong to think that being the change you want means not being what you want changed.

But you're just plain objectively wrong. All Civil Rights movements must start with a bit of Malcolm, before ending with a bit of MLK. people will never take you seriously if you ask pretty please.


Not to mention that people forget that MLK had critics who thought that non-violent direct action was too confrontational. It's not like MLK just sat there and asked pretty please, he took to the streets and forced the issue into public consciousness.
 
2012-04-28 05:16:41 PM  

Max Awesome: Why are Christians soooooo defensive and thin-skinned?


I've always wondered that too. I get being arrogant, hell if you thought you were one of the Chosen People by the greatest being in the universe, you'd probably be a little arrogant too.

But I don't get the defensiveness and the thin skin of Christians. If they REALLY believe in their mighty magical Ruler of All Things, why do they get so upset over little atheist people who will spend all of eternity burning in agony while they eat grapes with Jesus?

Can't they even give us our 70 years with a bit of maturity? Guess not.
 
2012-04-28 05:16:46 PM  
Why is it so hard for people to believe and accept that if you bully minorities long enough, eventually they will fight back? This was bound to happen.

It will continue to happen as long as minorities are continually punished and their beliefs and lifestyles are outlawed. What else do you expect?
 
2012-04-28 05:22:25 PM  

Confabulat:
Can't they even give us our 70 years with a bit of maturity? Guess not.


I think you watched the wrong video.
 
2012-04-28 05:26:25 PM  

Knucklepopper: Confabulat:
Can't they even give us our 70 years with a bit of maturity? Guess not.

I think you watched the wrong video.


I'm talking about Christians and religious people in general. I like to think if I believed I was going to live throughout all space and time, and I had a mighty god watching and helping me through my day-to-day life, I'd not really concern myself so much with the affairs of others. I'd probably adopt a real "live and let live" philosophy, because they're all doomed and I get to rejoice with all my dead loved ones forever and ever, let them have their silly sinful ways while they can.

But maybe that's just how I think I'd act. I honestly can't really imagine believing that nonsense, so it's hard for me to really put my feet in their shoes.
 
2012-04-28 05:28:33 PM  
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2012-04-28 05:35:49 PM  

rynthetyn: eddiesocket: s2s2s2: Biological Ali: Careful - you're veering close to "concern troll" territory here.

Don't care. The guy was being an ass. The kids were within their rights to walk out, but they were being asses in the process. But it is not wrong to think that being the change you want means not being what you want changed.

But you're just plain objectively wrong. All Civil Rights movements must start with a bit of Malcolm, before ending with a bit of MLK. people will never take you seriously if you ask pretty please.

Not to mention that people forget that MLK had critics who thought that non-violent direct action was too confrontational. It's not like MLK just sat there and asked pretty please, he took to the streets and forced the issue into public consciousness.


I have a dream that some day, those pansy asses will no longer judge us by the pansiness of our asses, but by the right of our asses to be pansies!
 
2012-04-28 05:38:03 PM  

Callous: I've been telling people for years to stop using words like hate, homophobe and bigot when dealing with Christians. Most have no ill feelings toward gay people at all. They just believe it's a choice and wrong. If you ever think you will change their opinions about it the last thing you need to do is start calling them things they are not. All it does is cause them to tune you out as "one of those angry people". If you ever expect to make any progress you gotta get away from the angry name calling.

Ignore the arseholes, they aren't going to change no matter what you say to them. Don't lower yourself to their level. That's exactly what they want. To make you look like the evil people they work so hard to portray you as.

And have real conversations with those that will, while staying away from inflammatory words Even if you can only agree to disagree. Let them see that you are not really any different from them, you just want to live your life the way you see fit.


All well and good, but if those we "agree to disagree" with keep trying to take our civil rights and freedoms away because of their beliefs, then what should we do?
 
2012-04-28 05:42:43 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Callous: I've been telling people for years to stop using words like hate, homophobe and bigot when dealing with Christians. Most have no ill feelings toward gay people at all. They just believe it's a choice and wrong. If you ever think you will change their opinions about it the last thing you need to do is start calling them things they are not. All it does is cause them to tune you out as "one of those angry people". If you ever expect to make any progress you gotta get away from the angry name calling.

Ignore the arseholes, they aren't going to change no matter what you say to them. Don't lower yourself to their level. That's exactly what they want. To make you look like the evil people they work so hard to portray you as.

And have real conversations with those that will, while staying away from inflammatory words Even if you can only agree to disagree. Let them see that you are not really any different from them, you just want to live your life the way you see fit.

All well and good, but if those we "agree to disagree" with keep trying to take our civil rights and freedoms away because of their beliefs, then what should we do?


Exactly. How do you "agree to disagree" when the religious right is in a tizzy because Romney had the temerity to hire a gay man on his campaign? How do you "agree to disagree" with people hoping to get Laurence v Texas overturned?
 
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