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2012-04-28 05:38:03 PM

Callous: I've been telling people for years to stop using words like hate, homophobe and bigot when dealing with Christians. Most have no ill feelings toward gay people at all. They just believe it's a choice and wrong. If you ever think you will change their opinions about it the last thing you need to do is start calling them things they are not. All it does is cause them to tune you out as "one of those angry people". If you ever expect to make any progress you gotta get away from the angry name calling.

Ignore the arseholes, they aren't going to change no matter what you say to them. Don't lower yourself to their level. That's exactly what they want. To make you look like the evil people they work so hard to portray you as.

And have real conversations with those that will, while staying away from inflammatory words Even if you can only agree to disagree. Let them see that you are not really any different from them, you just want to live your life the way you see fit.


All well and good, but if those we "agree to disagree" with keep trying to take our civil rights and freedoms away because of their beliefs, then what should we do?
 
2012-04-28 05:42:43 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Callous: I've been telling people for years to stop using words like hate, homophobe and bigot when dealing with Christians. Most have no ill feelings toward gay people at all. They just believe it's a choice and wrong. If you ever think you will change their opinions about it the last thing you need to do is start calling them things they are not. All it does is cause them to tune you out as "one of those angry people". If you ever expect to make any progress you gotta get away from the angry name calling.

Ignore the arseholes, they aren't going to change no matter what you say to them. Don't lower yourself to their level. That's exactly what they want. To make you look like the evil people they work so hard to portray you as.

And have real conversations with those that will, while staying away from inflammatory words Even if you can only agree to disagree. Let them see that you are not really any different from them, you just want to live your life the way you see fit.

All well and good, but if those we "agree to disagree" with keep trying to take our civil rights and freedoms away because of their beliefs, then what should we do?


Exactly. How do you "agree to disagree" when the religious right is in a tizzy because Romney had the temerity to hire a gay man on his campaign? How do you "agree to disagree" with people hoping to get Laurence v Texas overturned?
 
2012-04-28 05:44:33 PM
s2s2s2: I have a dream that some day, those pansy asses will no longer judge us by the pansiness of our asses, but by the right of our asses to be pansies!

This is a quote for the ages. May our fore-bearers and their asses heed these immortal words for all time.
 
2012-04-28 05:44:49 PM

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That's the one I was waiting for.
 
2012-04-28 05:45:51 PM

Confabulat: Max Awesome: Why are Christians soooooo defensive and thin-skinned?

I've always wondered that too. I get being arrogant, hell if you thought you were one of the Chosen People by the greatest being in the universe, you'd probably be a little arrogant too.

But I don't get the defensiveness and the thin skin of Christians. If they REALLY believe in their mighty magical Ruler of All Things, why do they get so upset over little atheist people who will spend all of eternity burning in agony while they eat grapes with Jesus?

Can't they even give us our 70 years with a bit of maturity? Guess not.


Think back to the last time someone called you out on something and you got angry and defensive,. It's because you secretly knew they were right. In an increasingly logical and scientific world, belief in the supernatura, becomes harder and harder to justify. One way to hold onto one's beliefs is to try really hard to convince others that it's all true. If you can get them to believe it, then maybe you will, too.
 
2012-04-28 06:02:42 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Callous: I've been telling people for years to stop using words like hate, homophobe and bigot when dealing with Christians. Most have no ill feelings toward gay people at all. They just believe it's a choice and wrong. If you ever think you will change their opinions about it the last thing you need to do is start calling them things they are not. All it does is cause them to tune you out as "one of those angry people". If you ever expect to make any progress you gotta get away from the angry name calling.

Ignore the arseholes, they aren't going to change no matter what you say to them. Don't lower yourself to their level. That's exactly what they want. To make you look like the evil people they work so hard to portray you as.

And have real conversations with those that will, while staying away from inflammatory words Even if you can only agree to disagree. Let them see that you are not really any different from them, you just want to live your life the way you see fit.

All well and good, but if those we "agree to disagree" with keep trying to take our civil rights and freedoms away because of their beliefs, then what should we do?


Keep having conversations with them. Let them walk away with a good experience to remember. It will make them think, perhaps shatter a stereotype. Try and develop friendships with them. Creating divisions never helps. Let the nut jobs be nut jobs. But don't let them bait you into looking like a nut job.

eddiesocket: Exactly. How do you "agree to disagree" when the religious right is in a tizzy because Romney had the temerity to hire a gay man on his campaign? How do you "agree to disagree" with people hoping to get Laurence v Texas overturned?


The ones with the loudest mouths are in a tizzy. They are in the minority. Let them froth at the mouth and you be the well grounded adult. Most Christians care about the issue but aren't personally invested in it. They are the ones you should be addressing, not the die hard nut jobs. Things begin to change once they knowingly have a gay friend or two. Most Christians have an out of sight out of mind attitude about it. It may not convince them to work for/with you, but it might get them to not work against you. Again don't lower yourself to the nut job's level. It's what they want so they can portray you as the monsters they want to portray you as.
 
2012-04-28 06:06:23 PM

Callous: Keep having conversations with them. Let them walk away with a good experience to remember. It will make them think, perhaps shatter a stereotype. Try and develop friendships with them. Creating divisions never helps. Let the nut jobs be nut jobs. But don't let them bait you into looking like a nut job.


Oh yeah, that'll change the mind of all those homophobic state legislatures, congressmen, senators and governors! Why didn't we think of just letting them walk all over us before?
 
2012-04-28 06:08:43 PM

Callous: Keizer_Ghidorah: Callous: I've been telling people for years to stop using words like hate, homophobe and bigot when dealing with Christians. Most have no ill feelings toward gay people at all. They just believe it's a choice and wrong. If you ever think you will change their opinions about it the last thing you need to do is start calling them things they are not. All it does is cause them to tune you out as "one of those angry people". If you ever expect to make any progress you gotta get away from the angry name calling.

Ignore the arseholes, they aren't going to change no matter what you say to them. Don't lower yourself to their level. That's exactly what they want. To make you look like the evil people they work so hard to portray you as.

And have real conversations with those that will, while staying away from inflammatory words Even if you can only agree to disagree. Let them see that you are not really any different from them, you just want to live your life the way you see fit.

All well and good, but if those we "agree to disagree" with keep trying to take our civil rights and freedoms away because of their beliefs, then what should we do?

Keep having conversations with them. Let them walk away with a good experience to remember. It will make them think, perhaps shatter a stereotype. Try and develop friendships with them. Creating divisions never helps. Let the nut jobs be nut jobs. But don't let them bait you into looking like a nut job.

eddiesocket: Exactly. How do you "agree to disagree" when the religious right is in a tizzy because Romney had the temerity to hire a gay man on his campaign? How do you "agree to disagree" with people hoping to get Laurence v Texas overturned?

The ones with the loudest mouths are in a tizzy. They are in the minority. Let them froth at the mouth and you be the well grounded adult. Most Christians care about the issue but aren't personally invested in it. They are the ones you should be addressin ...


That's what we're doing, by and large, and why we're winning.
 
2012-04-28 06:14:23 PM

PonceAlyosha: Callous: Keep having conversations with them. Let them walk away with a good experience to remember. It will make them think, perhaps shatter a stereotype. Try and develop friendships with them. Creating divisions never helps. Let the nut jobs be nut jobs. But don't let them bait you into looking like a nut job.

Oh yeah, that'll change the mind of all those homophobic state legislatures, congressmen, senators and governors! Why didn't we think of just letting them walk all over us before?


There are people that elect those jackasses. Those are the people you should be concerned about. Politicians do what they think will get them votes. Concentrate on changing the minds of the voters. Not acting like an ass and calling those voters names for who they voted for. Offending them will only make them dig in.
 
2012-04-28 06:16:16 PM

Callous: PonceAlyosha: Callous: Keep having conversations with them. Let them walk away with a good experience to remember. It will make them think, perhaps shatter a stereotype. Try and develop friendships with them. Creating divisions never helps. Let the nut jobs be nut jobs. But don't let them bait you into looking like a nut job.

Oh yeah, that'll change the mind of all those homophobic state legislatures, congressmen, senators and governors! Why didn't we think of just letting them walk all over us before?

There are people that elect those jackasses. Those are the people you should be concerned about. Politicians do what they think will get them votes. Concentrate on changing the minds of the voters. Not acting like an ass and calling those voters names for who they voted for. Offending them will only make them dig in.


Really, at this point you're being a condescending ass. I know you "mean well", but please don't lecture minorities on how to be minorities.
 
2012-04-28 06:23:00 PM

eddiesocket: Really, at this point you're being a condescending ass. I know you "mean well", but please don't lecture minorities on how to be minorities.


Oh please, straight white guys love that. "Why should I feel bad? You're not making me feel guilty enough to empathize with you!"
 
2012-04-28 06:30:42 PM

eddiesocket: That's what we're doing, by and large, and why we're winning.


Yep, when they can't get anyone to sign their petitions anymore things will really start to change. I believe that most people that sign petitions to ban gay marriage do it very casually, with not a lot of thought. But if they have friends that it will directly impact they will HAVE to think about it before putting pen to paper and hopefully will simply choose not to. I firmly believe that a woman like Ellen Degeneres has done more for gay rights than anyone that stands up and shoots his or her mouth off. When we stop hearing things like "the gay community" we will start to have some progress. That term creates a mental division between gays and straights. It creates a "those people over there" tribal kind of attitude. There is no gay or straight community, we all live in the same community/ies and need to start communicating in those terms. We are next door to each other, across the street, behind the counter at the deli, in the next cubicle, etc.

Make a concerted effort to stop using terminology that creates psychological divisions..
 
2012-04-28 06:35:37 PM

Callous: eddiesocket: That's what we're doing, by and large, and why we're winning.

Yep, when they can't get anyone to sign their petitions anymore things will really start to change. I believe that most people that sign petitions to ban gay marriage do it very casually, with not a lot of thought. But if they have friends that it will directly impact they will HAVE to think about it before putting pen to paper and hopefully will simply choose not to. I firmly believe that a woman like Ellen Degeneres has done more for gay rights than anyone that stands up and shoots his or her mouth off. When we stop hearing things like "the gay community" we will start to have some progress. That term creates a mental division between gays and straights. It creates a "those people over there" tribal kind of attitude. There is no gay or straight community, we all live in the same community/ies and need to start communicating in those terms. We are next door to each other, across the street, behind the counter at the deli, in the next cubicle, etc.

Make a concerted effort to stop using terminology that creates psychological divisions..


I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but there's nothing wrong with "the gay community" or "gay pride parades". We can celebrate what makes us different and what makes us the same.
 
2012-04-28 06:47:40 PM
 
2012-04-28 06:54:24 PM
If you attack someone's religion in any way shape or form they will attack you.
 
2012-04-28 06:56:00 PM

Max Awesome: Meanwhile... The Catholic church wants to team-up with Muslims and Jewish groups to work together to more-effectively suppress the basic human rights of gay people.

The Anti-Gay League of Assholes.


I wonder if they were this bad when someone told them that the world was round.
 
2012-04-28 07:12:02 PM

eddiesocket: Callous: PonceAlyosha: Callous: Keep having conversations with them. Let them walk away with a good experience to remember. It will make them think, perhaps shatter a stereotype. Try and develop friendships with them. Creating divisions never helps. Let the nut jobs be nut jobs. But don't let them bait you into looking like a nut job.

Oh yeah, that'll change the mind of all those homophobic state legislatures, congressmen, senators and governors! Why didn't we think of just letting them walk all over us before?

There are people that elect those jackasses. Those are the people you should be concerned about. Politicians do what they think will get them votes. Concentrate on changing the minds of the voters. Not acting like an ass and calling those voters names for who they voted for. Offending them will only make them dig in.

Really, at this point you're being a condescending ass. I know you "mean well", but please don't lecture minorities on how to be minorities.


I'm not being an ass. I'm speaking from personal experience. I grew up in a Baptist home, went to a Baptist church and school. My parents not so much, but the school and church taught me to think of gays as mentally sick and perverted. I was taught to avoid gay people anyway I could. And I met several gay people that got all angry and worked up when I told them I believed that being gay was sick and disgusting. The negative reaction by them, while understandable, only served to reenforce the stereotype I held. Some people will change their opinions on their own, I was not one of those people. I needed "help" to cross that bridge from rejection to acceptance. Calling me or those I voted for names would have completely backfired.

About 12 years ago I met a gay woman that didn't react negatively and just kept talking to me. We became friends. Great friends I would say. My mother flipped a brick when she found out I had a gay friend. She eventually, it took years, met her and her girlfriend(now wife) and absolutely loves the both of them. That's two less signatures or votes those that wish to infringe on gay people's rights will ever get. I'm actually in business with the woman now and she is one of the most valued people in my life. It would have never happened if she hadn't helped me cross that bridge from rejection to acceptance. The fact that she didn't reject or condemn me for my beliefs made all the difference in the world.

With the exception of a few, the people that taught me to think of gays as sick and disgusting have absolutely no hatred or fear in their hearts. They simply have been sheltered and misled. They just don't understand the truth of the matter. I look at them today with pity. They are denying themselves the company and fellowship of some wonderful people as a result of their ignorance.

Someone has to extend the olive branch and create those friendships like my friend did. You are the ones with something to lose. They don't have that motivation.

I'm trying really hard here to be as honest as I can and make the point that personal attacks may win arguments(battles), but it will never change deeply held opinions(the war).
 
2012-04-28 07:22:29 PM

eddiesocket: Callous: eddiesocket: That's what we're doing, by and large, and why we're winning.

Yep, when they can't get anyone to sign their petitions anymore things will really start to change. I believe that most people that sign petitions to ban gay marriage do it very casually, with not a lot of thought. But if they have friends that it will directly impact they will HAVE to think about it before putting pen to paper and hopefully will simply choose not to. I firmly believe that a woman like Ellen Degeneres has done more for gay rights than anyone that stands up and shoots his or her mouth off. When we stop hearing things like "the gay community" we will start to have some progress. That term creates a mental division between gays and straights. It creates a "those people over there" tribal kind of attitude. There is no gay or straight community, we all live in the same community/ies and need to start communicating in those terms. We are next door to each other, across the street, behind the counter at the deli, in the next cubicle, etc.

Make a concerted effort to stop using terminology that creates psychological divisions..

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but there's nothing wrong with "the gay community" or "gay pride parades". We can celebrate what makes us different and what makes us the same.


I didn't mean to say that there is anything wrong with them. But it does create a psychological division. I feel we need to focus more on what makes us the same.
 
2012-04-28 07:28:52 PM

Coelacanth: Max Awesome: Meanwhile... The Catholic church wants to team-up with Muslims and Jewish groups to work together to more-effectively suppress the basic human rights of gay people.

The Anti-Gay League of Assholes.

I wonder if they were this bad when someone told them that the world was round.


World's an elipsoid, you regressive bastard.
 
2012-04-28 07:32:17 PM

PonceAlyosha: Coelacanth: Max Awesome: Meanwhile... The Catholic church wants to team-up with Muslims and Jewish groups to work together to more-effectively suppress the basic human rights of gay people.

The Anti-Gay League of Assholes.

I wonder if they were this bad when someone told them that the world was round.

World's an elipsoid, you regressive bastard.


You owe me a keyboard.
 
2012-04-28 07:37:26 PM

Max Awesome: Meanwhile... The Catholic church wants to team-up with Muslims and Jewish groups to work together to more-effectively suppress the basic human rights of gay people.

The Anti-Gay League of Assholes.


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE F*CKING KIDDING ME.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE GOD DAMNED F*CKING KIDDING ME.


Is it really this serious to you people!? Is it so f*cking serious that the Pope, THE GODDAMNED POPE, has to form allegiances with other religions in order to stop people from loving each other?!

WHY?!? WHY is it such a f*cking big deal, that you have to call on the aid of other religions, in order to strip people of their civil rights and freedoms?!

Hey! Catholics! Many of you say that you're not like those who treat gays like sub-humans. Well, here's your LEADER taking the next evil step to persecute gays. If you really care, then SAY OR DO SOMETHING about this!

Just... f*cking hell... this world...
 
2012-04-28 07:40:25 PM
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

This is a lesson the democrats need to learn when dealing with republicans.
 
2012-04-28 07:45:57 PM

Callous: eddiesocket: Callous: eddiesocket: That's what we're doing, by and large, and why we're winning.

Yep, when they can't get anyone to sign their petitions anymore things will really start to change. I believe that most people that sign petitions to ban gay marriage do it very casually, with not a lot of thought. But if they have friends that it will directly impact they will HAVE to think about it before putting pen to paper and hopefully will simply choose not to. I firmly believe that a woman like Ellen Degeneres has done more for gay rights than anyone that stands up and shoots his or her mouth off. When we stop hearing things like "the gay community" we will start to have some progress. That term creates a mental division between gays and straights. It creates a "those people over there" tribal kind of attitude. There is no gay or straight community, we all live in the same community/ies and need to start communicating in those terms. We are next door to each other, across the street, behind the counter at the deli, in the next cubicle, etc.

Make a concerted effort to stop using terminology that creates psychological divisions..

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but there's nothing wrong with "the gay community" or "gay pride parades". We can celebrate what makes us different and what makes us the same.

I didn't mean to say that there is anything wrong with them. But it does create a psychological division. I feel we need to focus more on what makes us the same.


Meaning, you think we need to assimilate and stop weirding you out. Sorry, you're wrong. We don't need to "prove" we're worthy of being equal to you by pretending we're exactly like you. Hell, straight people aren't all like each other, either. Should we stop using terms like "Christian community" or "southern community" or "surfing community" or "bicycling community" to avoid "psychological divisions"?
 
2012-04-28 07:49:06 PM

Callous:
I'm not being an ass. I'm speaking from personal experience...


Your personal anecdote is so frustrating to read. You were brain-washed to believe that gay people are mentally defective and were to be shunned (not particularly Christ-like by the way), and when you expressed this horrible attitude to the first gay people you met you were stunned and offended that they took offense?

And you only turned around when you met a gay person who was so noble that they didn't get upset when you treated them as less-than human - so therefore all gay people should only face hatred with patient love and humility?

Shouldn't it be the Christians who reach out to the oppressed with love and acceptance - like Jesus did?
 
2012-04-28 07:50:20 PM

Callous: eddiesocket: Callous: PonceAlyosha: Callous: Keep having conversations with them. Let them walk away with a good experience to remember. It will make them think, perhaps shatter a stereotype. Try and develop friendships with them. Creating divisions never helps. Let the nut jobs be nut jobs. But don't let them bait you into looking like a nut job.

Oh yeah, that'll change the mind of all those homophobic state legislatures, congressmen, senators and governors! Why didn't we think of just letting them walk all over us before?

There are people that elect those jackasses. Those are the people you should be concerned about. Politicians do what they think will get them votes. Concentrate on changing the minds of the voters. Not acting like an ass and calling those voters names for who they voted for. Offending them will only make them dig in.

Really, at this point you're being a condescending ass. I know you "mean well", but please don't lecture minorities on how to be minorities.

I'm not being an ass. I'm speaking from personal experience. I grew up in a Baptist home, went to a Baptist church and school. My parents not so much, but the school and church taught me to think of gays as mentally sick and perverted. I was taught to avoid gay people anyway I could. And I met several gay people that got all angry and worked up when I told them I believed that being gay was sick and disgusting. The negative reaction by them, while understandable, only served to reenforce the stereotype I held. Some people will change their opinions on their own, I was not one of those people. I needed "help" to cross that bridge from rejection to acceptance. Calling me or those I voted for names would have completely backfired.

About 12 years ago I met a gay woman that didn't react negatively and just kept talking to me. We became friends. Great friends I would say. My mother flipped a brick when she found out I had a gay friend. She eventually, it took years, met her and ...


Well, that gay woman sounds just lovely. But don't expect me to be friendly to someone who calls me sick and disgusting. That requires far more patience than I have in 2012. And I know you're response is, "well that's the only way it works", but that's not true. People who attack gay people in 2012 should be treated with contempt because they are contemptible. If that "reinforces" their views to themselves, that's because they want it to. The five others watching the exchange will not want to be seen as contemptible as well.
 
2012-04-28 07:52:12 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Max Awesome: Meanwhile... The Catholic church wants to team-up with Muslims and Jewish groups to work together to more-effectively suppress the basic human rights of gay people.

The Anti-Gay League of Assholes.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE F*CKING KIDDING ME.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE GOD DAMNED F*CKING KIDDING ME.

Is it really this serious to you people!? Is it so f*cking serious that the Pope, THE GODDAMNED POPE, has to form allegiances with other religions in order to stop people from loving each other?!

WHY?!? WHY is it such a f*cking big deal, that you have to call on the aid of other religions, in order to strip people of their civil rights and freedoms?!

Hey! Catholics! Many of you say that you're not like those who treat gays like sub-humans. Well, here's your LEADER taking the next evil step to persecute gays. If you really care, then SAY OR DO SOMETHING about this!

Just... f*cking hell... this world...


Yeah, it's that serious to them. They view the existence of gays as an abomination. The idea that they would be treated as equals... well that's just a total attack on everything they believe. I love how they seem to think that giving people the same rights they have is somehow an "attack" on them. God help you if you dare to complain about them turning Christ's love into a cult of hate, because not supporting their bigotry is also a terrible attack.
 
2012-04-28 07:55:18 PM

Callous: You are the ones with something to lose.


More and more, that's not true. They're the ones with something to lose. The most vile haters are being called out for it and ridiculed publicly and forced to apologize, for fear of being ostracized, as it should be. Look at our most recent example, Monica Crowley. She thought it would be hilarious to mock Sandra Fluke by calling her gay, as if simply calling someone a lesbian in 2012 was an insult. It backfired on her. It didn't backfire because gay people smiled and said, "well, you're entitled to your opinion", it backfired because gay and straight people called out the bigoted behavior for what it was, forcing Crowley to apologize and make up a dumb lie about not intending to cause offense. We're winning. And sure, sometimes we'll overstep and overreact to harmless jokes from allies. But it will balance out in the end.
 
2012-04-28 08:04:58 PM

Callous: eddiesocket: Callous: PonceAlyosha: Callous: Keep having conversations with them. Let them walk away with a good experience to remember. It will make them think, perhaps shatter a stereotype. Try and develop friendships with them. Creating divisions never helps. Let the nut jobs be nut jobs. But don't let them bait you into looking like a nut job.

Oh yeah, that'll change the mind of all those homophobic state legislatures, congressmen, senators and governors! Why didn't we think of just letting them walk all over us before?

There are people that elect those jackasses. Those are the people you should be concerned about. Politicians do what they think will get them votes. Concentrate on changing the minds of the voters. Not acting like an ass and calling those voters names for who they voted for. Offending them will only make them dig in.

Really, at this point you're being a condescending ass. I know you "mean well", but please don't lecture minorities on how to be minorities.

I'm not being an ass. I'm speaking from personal experience. I grew up in a Baptist home, went to a Baptist church and school. My parents not so much, but the school and church taught me to think of gays as mentally sick and perverted. I was taught to avoid gay people anyway I could. And I met several gay people that got all angry and worked up when I told them I believed that being gay was sick and disgusting. The negative reaction by them, while understandable, only served to reenforce the stereotype I held. Some people will change their opinions on their own, I was not one of those people. I needed "help" to cross that bridge from rejection to acceptance. Calling me or those I voted for names would have completely backfired.

About 12 years ago I met a gay woman that didn't react negatively and just kept talking to me. We became friends. Great friends I would say. My mother flipped a brick when she found out I had a gay friend. She eventually, it took years, met her and ...


And what you and others consistently fail to realize....is that the only reason that gay person was able to be open, honest, and become you friend was in part because of the generations of fire-breathing activists who risked a lot by loudly and rudely calling out bigotry for what is was. Most minorities have done the "catch flies with honey" routine all their lives as a matter of survival. But that kind of survival used to require hiding yourself away your whole life, too.

Because of all those people who you claim are somehow people dig in deeper, your friend was able to be honest, a whole person, of just a sterotype in your mind. The fact that you identify her as "good" while rude activists are "bad" or "hurting their own cause" only serves to clearly show that the difference is all in your mind. To you, demanding equality is "rude"....and that has nothing to do with them...that's you being all farked up.

If it hadn't been for the "out & proud", the fire-breathers....this woman might never have had the courage or the safety to ever let you in on the secret. And then you (and every other ex-gay-hater in the world) would never have had your ideas truly confronted and challenged. Sure, the memory of being rebuked might still sting....but you were the one dehumanizing them out of the gate. Maybe the things they have to do to survive as equals doesn't have as much to do with respecting your gut feelings as you think. Maybe you didn't like the in-your-face ones...but do you really think they don't help pave the way for those who come after?


/activism, how does it work?
 
2012-04-28 08:19:38 PM
What astonishes me about this thread is that so many folks are willing to admit that they're complete pansy-asses. Because only a pansy-ass would ever call what Savage did "bullying."
 
2012-04-28 08:33:35 PM

firefly212: Yeah, it's that serious to them. They view the existence of gays as an abomination. The idea that they would be treated as equals... well that's just a total attack on everything they believe. I love how they seem to think that giving people the same rights they have is somehow an "attack" on them. God help you if you dare to complain about them turning Christ's love into a cult of hate, because not supporting their bigotry is also a terrible attack.


Filth. Nothing but vile, hateful filth. It's not enough that they try to shame women who want to control their own bodies, it's not enough to demonize gays for loving others who happen to have the same sex bits, it's not enough they hide and protect pedophile clergy. Now they're trying to create a religious alliance for the sole purpose of destroying a group of people. Unbelievable.

The "greatest denomination" of Christianity has shown its true colors. The Catholic Church truly is a devil in disguise.
 
2012-04-28 08:36:11 PM

Callous:

...I met several gay people that got all angry and worked up when I told them I believed that being gay was sick and disgusting.


Gee, why ever would people become impatient with you?

I would think someone raised Christian should be more Christ like. I'm pretty sure Jesus would have never done what you did to all of those gay people you met who did you no harm.

Gay people don't need to change themselves to win over people like you used to be; they already have majority support in this country. Those who remain hateful are going to be treated, and looked up, the same way we look upon the KKK in this country in little less than a generation's time.
 
2012-04-28 08:37:25 PM

Uncle Tractor: Brubold: The New Testament replaces the law with grace but the law is still a foundation for faith. However there are some laws that were directly thrown out, such as the one about shellfish and other forbidden foods, in the New Testament.

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So no more pork, shellfish, or cheeseburgers?
 
2012-04-28 08:42:55 PM
Well, after a search on the web, the original article came from here: Link (Note: It's the same article on the Fox News site)

HOWEVER: Found the video: Link

I will say, while the students do hear a lot worse cussing, it is inappropriate IN high school, by a speaker. Also, Singling out a group and bullying them is not a way to show you're there to stop bullying.
 
2012-04-28 08:45:47 PM

People_are_Idiots: Singling out a group and bullying them is not a way to show you're there to stop bullying.


You watched the video. You know that's not what happened. Shame on you.
 
2012-04-28 08:49:36 PM

Urbn: Callous:

...I met several gay people that got all angry and worked up when I told them I believed that being gay was sick and disgusting.

Gee, why ever would people become impatient with you?

I would think someone raised Christian should be more Christ like. I'm pretty sure Jesus would have never done what you did to all of those gay people you met who did you no harm.

Gay people don't need to change themselves to win over people like you used to be; they already have majority support in this country. Those who remain hateful are going to be treated, and looked up, the same way we look upon the KKK in this country in little less than a generation's time.


Yup, it's just a matter of time. As always, organized religion is on the wrong side of the issue.
 
2012-04-28 08:50:08 PM

People_are_Idiots: Well, after a search on the web, the original article came from here: Link (Note: It's the same article on the Fox News site)

HOWEVER: Found the video: Link

I will say, while the students do hear a lot worse cussing, it is inappropriate IN high school, by a speaker. Also, Singling out a group and bullying them is not a way to show you're there to stop bullying.


Little slow, Joe. We've posted it more than a dozen times by now, and all to show people like you that what Savage did was NOT "bullying".

He said their actions were pansy-ass, not they themselves. Which fits a group of snooty kids who walk out the moment he mentions Christianity with smug looks on their faces and self-righteous attitudes. Discussing the hypocrisy of claiming the OT is irrelevant except for its use to attack homosexuals is not "bullying". He says the word bullshiat a total of three times, and never raises his voice except for emphasis (and certainly never yells or screams).

If you consider that "bullying", I feel bad for you.
 
2012-04-28 08:56:24 PM
THE POOR TRAUMATIZED SNOWFLAKES

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WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SNOWFLAKES
 
2012-04-28 08:58:32 PM
waaaaaaaah, high school students shouldn't have to stay and listen to anyone they disagree with...

good luck in college, kids
 
2012-04-28 08:58:38 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: People_are_Idiots: Well, after a search on the web, the original article came from here: Link (Note: It's the same article on the Fox News site)

HOWEVER: Found the video: Link

I will say, while the students do hear a lot worse cussing, it is inappropriate IN high school, by a speaker. Also, Singling out a group and bullying them is not a way to show you're there to stop bullying.

Little slow, Joe. We've posted it more than a dozen times by now, and all to show people like you that what Savage did was NOT "bullying".

He said their actions were pansy-ass, not they themselves. Which fits a group of snooty kids who walk out the moment he mentions Christianity with smug looks on their faces and self-righteous attitudes. Discussing the hypocrisy of claiming the OT is irrelevant except for its use to attack homosexuals is not "bullying". He says the word bullshiat a total of three times, and never raises his voice except for emphasis (and certainly never yells or screams).

If you consider that "bullying", I feel bad for you.


No doubt. If what Dan said is 'bullying' then we need a new term for the actual violence and abuse gay teens are experiencing.
 
2012-04-28 09:02:36 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: People_are_Idiots: Well, after a search on the web, the original article came from here: Link (Note: It's the same article on the Fox News site)

HOWEVER: Found the video: Link

I will say, while the students do hear a lot worse cussing, it is inappropriate IN high school, by a speaker. Also, Singling out a group and bullying them is not a way to show you're there to stop bullying.

Little slow, Joe. We've posted it more than a dozen times by now, and all to show people like you that what Savage did was NOT "bullying".

He said their actions were pansy-ass, not they themselves. Which fits a group of snooty kids who walk out the moment he mentions Christianity with smug looks on their faces and self-righteous attitudes. Discussing the hypocrisy of claiming the OT is irrelevant except for its use to attack homosexuals is not "bullying". He says the word bullshiat a total of three times, and never raises his voice except for emphasis (and certainly never yells or screams).

If you consider that "bullying", I feel bad for you.


Seriously. People were walking out the moment he said that objective fact that people use the bible to justify condemning homosexuality.
 
2012-04-28 09:03:02 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Dickery all around it sounds like.

Sorry, can't see the link, I'm at work, the video's blocked.


You should really try to read into what you're forming an opinion on before you form said opinion.

Otherwise you come out looking ignorant.
 
2012-04-28 09:05:55 PM
*facepalm* Way to teach tolerance and non-bullying.

Why am I not surprised at the mouthbreathers here who approve of this.
 
2012-04-28 09:08:18 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: *facepalm* Way to teach tolerance and non-bullying.

Why am I not surprised at the mouthbreathers here who approve of this.


Watch. The. Video.

Fox "news" is lying to you. Again. Some more.
 
2012-04-28 09:09:11 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: *facepalm* Way to teach tolerance and non-bullying.

Why am I not surprised at the mouthbreathers here who approve of this.


You're about the 80th person trying that. Maybe next time you'll make it to the thread early enough to not have you 'point' already shot down.

Was putting point in quotes bullying you?
 
2012-04-28 09:11:42 PM

eddiesocket: People_are_Idiots: Singling out a group and bullying them is not a way to show you're there to stop bullying.

You watched the video. You know that's not what happened. Shame on you.


Not quite. I found his retaliatory strike offensive, since I myself haven't thrown the first punch. I don't care what you are, and I certainly won't open up a dialogue by making fun of your faults if I know them. I prefer to find out the real you, not how you look, what your orientation is, or what symbol you have on your neck. 'Sides, bullying is more than just beating kids to take lunch money.

Keizer_Ghidorah: People_are_Idiots: Well, after a search on the web, the original article came from here: Link (Note: It's the same article on the Fox News site)

HOWEVER: Found the video: Link

I will say, while the students do hear a lot worse cussing, it is inappropriate IN high school, by a speaker. Also, Singling out a group and bullying them is not a way to show you're there to stop bullying.

Little slow, Joe. We've posted it more than a dozen times by now, and all to show people like you that what Savage did was NOT "bullying".


First, didn't see links (yes I look, obviously not hard enough). Second, that is what is called "verbal abuse." As stated, bullying is more than physical.

He said their actions were pansy-ass, not they themselves. Which fits a group of snooty kids who walk out the moment he mentions Christianity with smug looks on their faces and self-righteous attitudes. Discussing the hypocrisy of claiming the OT is irrelevant except for its use to attack homosexuals is not "bullying". He says the word bullshiat a total of three times, and never raises his voice except for emphasis (and certainly never yells or screams).

If you consider that "bullying", I feel bad for you.


If you consider first stating the thing they believe in is bullshiat, than saying you walking out is a pansy-ass move, that is bullying. They didn't want to hear his diatribe on the bible, they wanted to hear him speak about bullying in society (which, if you didn't know, is not limited to one religion).
 
2012-04-28 09:16:03 PM

People_are_Idiots: If you consider first stating the thing they believe in is bullshiat, than saying you walking out is a pansy-ass move, that is bullying. They didn't want to hear his diatribe on the bible, they wanted to hear him speak about bullying in society (which, if you didn't know, is not limited to one religion).


He said the objective fact that homophobia is justified mainly by the Bible (at least here in the West, which is the audience he was speaking to. That caused people to...leave, for some reason. That's not bullying. That's a fact. You can't talk about anti-gay bullying in society without first talking about the cause of it (religion).
 
2012-04-28 09:17:24 PM

People_are_Idiots: Second, that is what is called "verbal abuse." As stated, bullying is more than physical.



Absolutely no verbal abuse took place. What video did you even watch?
 
2012-04-28 09:22:39 PM

MDGeist: I find it amusing that this "It gets better" guy seems to think getting better means turning into a bully. Seems a lot of you on Fark seem to think the same. Not sure that's how it should work though.


I find it amusing that a link to the video of what he said was posted at least five times in this thread and people are still coming in and spouting ignorant gibberish.
 
2012-04-28 09:24:17 PM

lack of warmth: peterquince: lack of warmth: Bullying the people you feel are bullying you will never win the fight.

He expressed disbelief at their reactions. That's not bullying. That's questioning their behavior.

I think you fail at understanding bullying. Intentially yelling hurtful things against someones beliefs, rallying support of the majority into anger against a few till they leave and then attacking them further for not sitting through more of it. He lowered himself to the level of those he was speaking against and it is abusive. He didn't consider the intent of those kids being there, instead abused them for having their feelings hurt. It would be bullying in your mind if a southern baptist did this same thing to a small group of gay teens, so why is this guy so much better? I will stay just as far away from overzealous nutjob hateful people as I can, gay or Christian.


You should really watch the video.
 
2012-04-28 09:27:52 PM

MDGeist: Ahhh so I see, this guy can make fun of others for their believes but no one can make fun of his LouDobbsAwaaaay? I mean the whole point of "It gets Better" is to help kids through bullying about their beliefs and life styles, yet you want to teach them it's ok to bully others over thier choices at the same time?

Mayne you should drop the hate all around and not just pick and choose what makes you feel better.


You should really watch that video.

/seriously
 
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