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(Fox News)   You're the founder of the "It Gets Better" campaign and delivering an anti-bullying speech. Do you: C) call the Christian teens in attendance "pansy asses" and mock them for walking out of your tirade?   (radio.foxnews.com) divider line 894
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2012-04-28 01:26:03 PM  

alowishus: Other than the foul language,


Nothing, really - I agree with the point of what he said. The use of the word 'bullshiat' and calling folks' reaction 'pansy assed' was inappropriate and self-defeating.

I echo the sentiments that the organizers shouldn't have invited him given what is his usual approach. However, it brings up the point - if the leader of an organization whose mission is to stop bullying in high school and help high-schoolers deal with being bullied ISN'T an appropriate guest for a high school conference, then perhaps that organization doesn't have the right figurehead.
 
2012-04-28 01:26:34 PM  

RexTalionis: As far as I've read, Jesus said to bully nobody.


What Bible are you reading? That mamby-pamby one? Bet it allows having sex with a box turtle in there too, huh f*g? Glen beck warned me about people like you.

Bet you're are a f*g. Or f*g enabler at least! Jesus is gonna smite you by empowering me to do the smiting for Him. PRAISE JEEBUS!!
 
2012-04-28 01:28:58 PM  

Daraymann: So attacking high school children based on their religion is acceptable to liberals now?

/Is there anything you farkers can't justify?


Someone else who didn't watch the video.
 
2012-04-28 01:29:00 PM  

alowishus: Daraymann: So attacking high school children based on their religion is acceptable to liberals now?

/Is there anything you farkers can't justify?

I don't think there is any justification for such a weak troll.


Yet you have nothing to say about someone verbally abusing and harassing children based on their religion. Typical.
 
2012-04-28 01:32:12 PM  

Daraymann: Yet you have nothing to say about someone verbally abusing and harassing children based on their religion. Typical.


So you can easily show the class where in the video he verbally abused and harassed those kids right?

Link

Otherwise way to fail on your Boobies in this thread!
 
2012-04-28 01:33:44 PM  

s2s2s2: peterquince: s2s2s2: peterquince: s2s2s2: Yeah, nothing good has come of the civil discourse. DADT is still firmly in place, and there is still not one state in the USA where gay marriage is legal.

Keep farking that rooster.

But there's been a lot more than civil discourse. I mean, the modern gay rights movement started with a riot.

And stalled for more than 30 years as a result.

Not at all. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

1969 - Stonewall riots
1973 - APA admits that the ghey is not a disease
1976 - Harvey Milk becomes the first openly gay public official
1980 - The Democratic party officially puts supporting gay rights on their platform
1982 - Wisconsin outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation
1984 - The city of Berkeley, CA, offers partner benefits to gov't employees

Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

As a supporter of gay equality, I find that to be a fncking pathetic list.
Thank you for making my point.


As compared to today, it maybe is. But we have to compare it to what came before Stonewall. Not much.

1924 - The first gay rights organization is founded
1951 - Another gay organization is founded.
1955 - The first lesbian organization is founded
1962 - Illinois decriminalizes gay sex
1966 - The first transgender organization is founded.

It's certainly true that small victories lead to greater victories. And that movements take a long time to build up steam. But your claim that Stonewall stopped progress that was already happening has no truth to it.
 
2012-04-28 01:34:15 PM  

Daraymann: alowishus: Daraymann: So attacking high school children based on their religion is acceptable to liberals now?

/Is there anything you farkers can't justify?

I don't think there is any justification for such a weak troll.

Yet you have nothing to say about someone verbally abusing and harassing children based on their religion. Typical.


Wow, what pansy ass school did you go to?
 
2012-04-28 01:40:20 PM  

phoolishone: peterquince: phoolishone: That he resorted to bullying was quixotic;

He expressed disbelief at their reactions. That's not bullying. That's questioning their behavior.

Making fun of people's religion is bullying. Calling people names is bullying. He didn't say to them, "Why are you leaving? You are cowards for leaving." He berated their religion and called them "pansy-asses".

BTW, isn't "pansy" synonymous with "gay"? The man who didn't want the mean old Christians to bully gay people was calling them gay? LOL whut?


He didn't call them names. He labeled their behavior. "It's amazing that people can be so pansy-ass..." Anti-gay bullying often raises to the level of "you should kill yourself" or "the world would be better off if you were dead." He called them wimps.

And you're right, using the term "pansy-ass" is weird here. Though there IS a kind of poetic justice in that anti-gay people have made the term synonymous with weakness - something gay kids are often accused of - and something they demonstrated here as well. Not defending him. He was in the wrong for calling them pansy-ass. Just kind of enjoying the semi-clever word-play. Let's also remember, they were offended and left before he said anything inappropriate.
 
2012-04-28 01:41:39 PM  

fusillade762: foo monkey: Tolerance goes both ways. No, I mean you have to give and receive tolerance. Damnit, can we all just agree buttsex is gross, but it doesn't damn you to Hell?

[www.onpdx.com image 357x379]

"If people that are against gay marriage just said, 'I'm against gay marriage because thinking about two men having butt sex or two women having scissor sex kills my boner, dries up my vagina, I can't have sex, it ruins my life. That's why I'm against it,' That would be a valid argument! We'd have to actually debate you on that!"


Those against homosexual marriage have a valid argument as marriage is a religious institution from their perspective. And no one has any right to tell another what or how to believe. The problem really is not each individual religious organization but rather that marriage was co-opted by government eons ago for tax purposes. If you leave the religious aspects of marriage to each individual church then there is nothing preventing a progressive church from marrying whomever they please. The Gay community would do better to attack this issue in the courts from the separation of church and state aspect instead of attacking Christians as a single group.
 
2012-04-28 01:49:26 PM  

Gumaraid: fusillade762: foo monkey: Tolerance goes both ways. No, I mean you have to give and receive tolerance. Damnit, can we all just agree buttsex is gross, but it doesn't damn you to Hell?

[www.onpdx.com image 357x379]

"If people that are against gay marriage just said, 'I'm against gay marriage because thinking about two men having butt sex or two women having scissor sex kills my boner, dries up my vagina, I can't have sex, it ruins my life. That's why I'm against it,' That would be a valid argument! We'd have to actually debate you on that!"

Those against homosexual marriage have a valid argument as marriage is a religious institution from their perspective. And no one has any right to tell another what or how to believe. The problem really is not each individual religious organization but rather that marriage was co-opted by government eons ago for tax purposes. If you leave the religious aspects of marriage to each individual church then there is nothing preventing a progressive church from marrying whomever they please. The Gay community would do better to attack this issue in the courts from the separation of church and state aspect instead of attacking Christians as a single group.


Their perspective is wrong. Marriage is a legal institution. That's why you have to go to the government and get a license before you can get a marriage. Also, most legal action for marriage equality stems from the equal protection clause. No religious organization, Christians or otherwise, is being singled out.
 
2012-04-28 01:49:47 PM  

lack of warmth: peterquince:

You do not have to raise your voice to bully.

When not done in a reasonable fashion challenging someones beliefs can be bullying.

There is plenty of anger flowing just in FARK alone to be considered rallying anger.

He is welcome to his viewpoints, however who goes to listen to a guy already knowing what they will say?

They felt they wanted to leave and that is somehow a terrible thing. How dare they exercise their rights?

Many overzealous churches have attacked very hard those that are unsuspecting of what is not coming and I do not think these teens knew it was going to be personally against them. If they had remained seated no one would have known their stance. By leaving, the only message was I disagree with you. So, what if they leave. They have that right and I feel by attacking them is bullying.

He can be an activist, however I will not agree with bully like behavior.

Being a Christian I believe in baptism, however I do not believe in baptizing babies. When my little niece was baptized, I did go knowing what was going to happen. My family and I became very uncomfortable being there knowing our beliefs, so we left before service was over but not before the baptism. I was very much bullied by my sil after this and was banished for several years from coming near my brother's family. We discussed before hand how I felt and I in no way created a scene during the baptism. She acted as if I had stood and screamed judgments at everyone in the room. Her reaction did tempt me to actively protest baby baptisms just to tick her off. I know bullying.


Agreed. You do not have to raise your voice to be a bully. But there is a world of difference between laying out an argument that particular behavior is inappropriate (most of what Savage did here) and whispering to someone that no one likes them and they should die. Repeatedly. Every day of their lives.

No. Rallying anger requires an intention of getting people pissed off enough to do something inappropriate. At least that's my definition, and I think a weaker definition makes the term pretty useless, but we could debate that. To my definition, there was no rallying.

Who goes to listen to a guy already knowing what they will say? Well...everyone who's ever gone to a political rally. Or a seminar they signed up for. Or a Westboro Baptist Church rally. Or a production of Shakespeare/Chekhov/The Phantom of the Opera. Or you at the baptism. Or those douchebags who glitter-bombed Rick Santorum. People attend events to intentionally disrupt them all the time.

Sorry to hear about you and your sister. She sounds like she behaved awfully. But ignoring you for several years isn't bullying you. If that were the case the entire roster of NBA players have been bullying me since I was born. WNBA too, though not as long, because they haven't been around the whole time..
 
2012-04-28 01:49:49 PM  

Gumaraid: The problem really is not each individual religious organization but rather that marriage was co-opted by government eons ago for tax purposes.


Ugh...this stupid BS again.

Marriage was a civil thing, long before it became a religious thing.

Gumaraid: If you leave the religious aspects of marriage to each individual church then there is nothing preventing a progressive church from marrying whomever they please.


No one is trying to force a church to perform a gay marriage.

/Seems like there is always someone bringing this garbage up in every gay issues thread
 
2012-04-28 01:49:56 PM  

gadian: They were there with at least an open mind about the bullying part. They're open to the message. Way to fark that up.


I don't think that a bunch of "Christian" students getting together and pre-arranging to walk out as soon as Savage mentions the Bible qualifies as being open minded.

Next up - sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU is being open minded.
 
2012-04-28 01:50:37 PM  

Brubold: Very true but Acts 10 (Peter's vision), Romans 14, and Timothy 4 all teach that all foods are now acceptable through God's grace. So the law is still in effect. The foods are still unclean but God's grace makes them clean for us to eat. One of the main reasons we ask God to bless our food before eating it.


So the law still stands, but God stuck a rider on it that makes it not apply?

God has a seat in Congress?
 
2012-04-28 01:51:39 PM  
Using an anti-bullying speech as a platform for bullying?

farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2012-04-28 01:52:32 PM  

BorgiaGinz: peterquince: s2s2s2: peterquince: s2s2s2: Yeah, nothing good has come of the civil discourse. DADT is still firmly in place, and there is still not one state in the USA where gay marriage is legal.

Keep farking that rooster.

But there's been a lot more than civil discourse. I mean, the modern gay rights movement started with a riot.

And stalled for more than 30 years as a result.

Not at all. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

1969 - Stonewall riots
1973 - APA admits that the ghey is not a disease
1976 - Harvey Milk becomes the first openly gay public official
1980 - The Democratic party officially puts supporting gay rights on their platform
1982 - Wisconsin outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation
1984 - The city of Berkeley, CA, offers partner benefits to gov't employees

Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And the modern gay rights movement started with Frank Kameny co-founding The Mattachine Society to lobby for gay rights in 1961.


I mean, you might be right. We could argue over the term "modern" for years. Anecdotally, most people I've talked to would say Stonewall, pride parades commemorate stonewall, etc. Ultimately the point is marginal. If you want to call it the Mattachine Society, we can do that. :)
 
2012-04-28 01:55:39 PM  

Gumaraid: fusillade762: foo monkey: Tolerance goes both ways. No, I mean you have to give and receive tolerance. Damnit, can we all just agree buttsex is gross, but it doesn't damn you to Hell?

[www.onpdx.com image 357x379]

"If people that are against gay marriage just said, 'I'm against gay marriage because thinking about two men having butt sex or two women having scissor sex kills my boner, dries up my vagina, I can't have sex, it ruins my life. That's why I'm against it,' That would be a valid argument! We'd have to actually debate you on that!"

Those against homosexual marriage have a valid argument as marriage is a religious institution from their perspective. And no one has any right to tell another what or how to believe. The problem really is not each individual religious organization but rather that marriage was co-opted by government eons ago for tax purposes. If you leave the religious aspects of marriage to each individual church then there is nothing preventing a progressive church from marrying whomever they please. The Gay community would do better to attack this issue in the courts from the separation of church and state aspect instead of attacking Christians as a single group.


Marriage was governmental before it was religious. If anything it was co-opted by religious groups with the Council of Trent in 1563.

And don't worry. We're doing both.
 
2012-04-28 01:57:03 PM  

peterquince: s2s2s2: peterquince: s2s2s2: Yeah, nothing good has come of the civil discourse. DADT is still firmly in place, and there is still not one state in the USA where gay marriage is legal.

Keep farking that rooster.

But there's been a lot more than civil discourse. I mean, the modern gay rights movement started with a riot.

And stalled for more than 30 years as a result.

Not at all. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

1969 - Stonewall riots
1973 - APA admits that the ghey is not a disease
1976 - Harvey Milk becomes the first openly gay public official
1980 - The Democratic party officially puts supporting gay rights on their platform
1982 - Wisconsin outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation
1984 - The city of Berkeley, CA, offers partner benefits to gov't employees

Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.


I've got you favorited now dude - favorite color?
 
2012-04-28 01:58:03 PM  

Marquis de Sod: peterquince: s2s2s2: peterquince: s2s2s2: Yeah, nothing good has come of the civil discourse. DADT is still firmly in place, and there is still not one state in the USA where gay marriage is legal.

Keep farking that rooster.

But there's been a lot more than civil discourse. I mean, the modern gay rights movement started with a riot.

And stalled for more than 30 years as a result.

Not at all. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

1969 - Stonewall riots
1973 - APA admits that the ghey is not a disease
1976 - Harvey Milk becomes the first openly gay public official
1980 - The Democratic party officially puts supporting gay rights on their platform
1982 - Wisconsin outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation
1984 - The city of Berkeley, CA, offers partner benefits to gov't employees

Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I've got you favorited now dude - favorite color?


Pink, duh.
Sparkles if you got 'em.
 
2012-04-28 01:58:20 PM  
Does anyone else find it funny when religious people think they're having their rights violated by not being able to violate other people's rights? I personally let out a small guffaw every time it happens.
 
2012-04-28 01:59:55 PM  

Patterson: Does anyone else find it funny when religious people think they're having their rights violated by not being able to violate other people's rights? I personally let out a small guffaw every time it happens.


"Funny" is not the word that springs to my mind
 
2012-04-28 02:07:17 PM  

gadian: So the grown up was bullying christian kids to fight bullying? He does realize that the kids are in no position to dictate what their asshole parents vote for, right? They were there with at least an open mind about the bullying part. They're open to the message. Way to fark that up. Grown ups should know better.


Hard to be "open" to a message when you walk out as soon as he opens his mouth.

Now put on your big boy pants and RTFA like the rest of us.
 
2012-04-28 02:08:47 PM  

Inaditch: Except it's not. Every time you're an ass hole you lose ground.


That sounds like something for people who bully in the name of Christ to think about, dontcha think?

Can't cry persecution when you're busy persecuting others.
 
2012-04-28 02:13:58 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Inaditch: Except it's not. Every time you're an ass hole you lose ground.

That sounds like something for people who bully in the name of Christ to think about, dontcha think?

Can't cry persecution when you're busy persecuting others.


You can, however, refuse to practice what you preach, as Dan Savage demonstrates.

/then they wonder why the suicide rate of "It Gets Better" spokespeople is so high
//just keep farking them roosters, you brilliant retarded diamonds
 
2012-04-28 02:18:13 PM  

Tatterdemalian: The My Little Pony Killer: Inaditch: Except it's not. Every time you're an ass hole you lose ground.

That sounds like something for people who bully in the name of Christ to think about, dontcha think?

Can't cry persecution when you're busy persecuting others.

You can, however, refuse to practice what you preach, as Dan Savage demonstrates.

/then they wonder why the suicide rate of "It Gets Better" spokespeople is so high
//just keep farking them roosters, you brilliant retarded diamonds


I'm curious how you would phrase what Dan Savage "preaches." That's a real question. You believe he doesn't practice it and I believe he does. We must have different interpretations of his message.

Also - what does "farking them roosters" mean? Someone else (or maybe you) used the term earlier.
 
2012-04-28 02:24:14 PM  

Tatterdemalian: The My Little Pony Killer: Inaditch: Except it's not. Every time you're an ass hole you lose ground.

That sounds like something for people who bully in the name of Christ to think about, dontcha think?

Can't cry persecution when you're busy persecuting others.

You can, however, refuse to practice what you preach, as Dan Savage demonstrates.

/then they wonder why the suicide rate of "It Gets Better" spokespeople is so high
//just keep farking them roosters, you brilliant retarded diamonds


He did nothing that indicated "bullying", "attacking", or "hating". If you have watched the video you'd see that.
 
2012-04-28 02:30:58 PM  

thegod082: I'm not gay but I consider myself very liberal, and although I haven't listened to all of his podcasts or read all of his columns, I've listened and read enough to determine that I think this guy's a holier-than-thou prick.


If most of the world was gay and there were people out there trying to enact laws to prevent me from marrying my girlfriend, I think I'd have the same attitude as Dan Savage.

Actually, I'd probably be a lot less nice than Dan.
 
2012-04-28 02:31:52 PM  
Rambino
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The Two wrongs make a right fallacy can be used to convince any good person into doing something evil and having them think it's right. For example, the death penalty, the Iraq war or hating Christians because they hate too.
 
2012-04-28 02:33:44 PM  
i can always count on farkers to defend the indefensible.

/saw the video
//dude needs an asskicking
 
2012-04-28 02:35:47 PM  

peterquince: s2s2s2: peterquince: s2s2s2: peterquince: s2s2s2: Yeah, nothing good has come of the civil discourse. DADT is still firmly in place, and there is still not one state in the USA where gay marriage is legal.

Keep farking that rooster.

But there's been a lot more than civil discourse. I mean, the modern gay rights movement started with a riot.

And stalled for more than 30 years as a result.

Not at all. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

1969 - Stonewall riots
1973 - APA admits that the ghey is not a disease
1976 - Harvey Milk becomes the first openly gay public official
1980 - The Democratic party officially puts supporting gay rights on their platform
1982 - Wisconsin outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation
1984 - The city of Berkeley, CA, offers partner benefits to gov't employees

Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

As a supporter of gay equality, I find that to be a fncking pathetic list.
Thank you for making my point.

As compared to today, it maybe is. But we have to compare it to what came before Stonewall. Not much.

1924 - The first gay rights organization is founded
1951 - Another gay organization is founded.
1955 - The first lesbian organization is founded
1962 - Illinois decriminalizes gay sex
1966 - The first transgender organization is founded.

It's certainly true that small victories lead to greater victories. And that movements take a long time to build up steam. But your claim that Stonewall stopped progress that was already happening has no truth to it.


Good thing that isn't what I said:)
 
2012-04-28 02:39:55 PM  

frymeupasteak: i can always count on farkers to defend the indefensible.

/saw the video
//dude needs an asskicking


Why?
 
2012-04-28 02:41:07 PM  

s2s2s2: peterquince: s2s2s2: peterquince: s2s2s2: Yeah, nothing good has come of the civil discourse. DADT is still firmly in place, and there is still not one state in the USA where gay marriage is legal.

Keep farking that rooster.

But there's been a lot more than civil discourse. I mean, the modern gay rights movement started with a riot.

And stalled for more than 30 years as a result.

Not at all. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

1969 - Stonewall riots
1973 - APA admits that the ghey is not a disease
1976 - Harvey Milk becomes the first openly gay public official
1980 - The Democratic party officially puts supporting gay rights on their platform
1982 - Wisconsin outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation
1984 - The city of Berkeley, CA, offers partner benefits to gov't employees

Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

As a supporter of gay equality, I find that to be a fncking pathetic list.
Thank you for making my point.


Careful - you're veering close to "concern troll" territory here.
 
2012-04-28 02:41:40 PM  

frymeupasteak: i can always count on farkers to defend the indefensible.

/saw the video
//dude needs an asskicking


What did he do?
 
2012-04-28 02:45:23 PM  

Inaditch: cman: truthseeker2083: cman: No offense, but you may just be taken a bit more seriously if you were to act professional in an environment such as that. You are supposed to point out the flaws in the other group, not give them fodder to fight against you.

No offense, but the gay community has taken about as much as they can, and having tried civil tones before, some people just snap at the stupid. That's what happened according to this article (I woild like to see another source, as a 'culture wars' 'reporter' from fox news smacks of bias, but...). Sometimes, even the most professional of people can have enough of it, and say 'fark it, enough is enough'. When he's pointed out their mistakes thousands of times, I don't care if he did snap, he's handled the right-wing fundie's crap better than most people would.

They are gonna use what happened there as propaganda for their holy war of morality. They will twist it and spin it to fit their own agenda. I know it is difficult dealing with Christians, but you have to maintain a cool head when you are a leader in your cause.

If you want to win christians over to your cause, you cannot do it in this way. All you are doing is driving a further wedge between your two communities. Be the adult on this one and leave the childish things to the Christians

Agreed. If you want things to get better, you have to take the high road. Every time.

"They're ass holes all the time, so it's ok if we're assholes once in a while". Except it's not. Every time you're an ass hole you lose ground.


That's utter bs. No one at this point expects hardline christians to see the light and stop being dicks. People tried, and it's never going to happen. This message isn't for them. This is for the hangers on and the people on the sidelines, and those people are listening, and they not only understand but respect that now and them, people lose their patience. It's a sign of poisson for your cause, and as long as you keep it to a minimum, it actually HELPS your argument.
 
2012-04-28 02:46:40 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Inaditch: Except it's not. Every time you're an ass hole you lose ground.

That sounds like something for people who bully in the name of Christ to think about, dontcha think?

Can't cry persecution when you're busy persecuting others.


It sounds like you're falling back on the argument "They're ass holes so we can be, too."

If the victory you want is the satisfaction of putting a handful of kids in their place, by all means. Go for it.

If you want to be better people than the bigots you're fighting against and you want to create some lasting change, I suggest forgoing immediate satisfaction and taking the high road. Educate. Don't insult.
 
2012-04-28 02:48:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Samaura: They were being directly ridiculed and mocked for their belief. They stood up and quietly tried to leave, without rancor and arguement, to receive more verbal abuse.

Its verbal abuse and emotional abuse.

He called them pansy asses for acting more maturely than he was, by a LONG SHOT, way to set the example, he's a pathetic asshat.

They shoulda teamed up and tore him apart, and spelled pansy ass with his body parts,
But christians have that whole
/turn the other cheek
thing going on.
AT LEAST they live how they believe. Unlike this dumbass, bullying kids who havent done any thing.

It's funny you believed the Fox News article verbatim.

Critical thinking isn't your strong suit huh?


Showing a viable alternative isnt yours. If they are guilty of libel, it'll make headlines everywhere and be right here on fark.
 
2012-04-28 02:51:03 PM  

Lusiphur: It's a sign of poisson for your cause


What a sign of poisson may look like:

encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-04-28 02:51:14 PM  
To all the Christian haters; what's the beef about gay marriage given all of you are non-believers? If freedom to marry is the issue just start your own religion and make it so. Problem solved. Next issue?
 
2012-04-28 02:51:28 PM  

Inaditch: It sounds like you're falling back on the argument "They're ass holes so we can be, too."


Are we trying to prevent them from getting married? Are we trying to prevent them from adopting? No? Are we trying to say we should be allowed to discriminated against them? No? Then go fark yourself. Good is not nice. Right is not nice. Sometimes you have to call a spade a farking spade.
 
2012-04-28 02:51:38 PM  

Samaura: Mrtraveler01: Samaura: They were being directly ridiculed and mocked for their belief. They stood up and quietly tried to leave, without rancor and arguement, to receive more verbal abuse.

Its verbal abuse and emotional abuse.

He called them pansy asses for acting more maturely than he was, by a LONG SHOT, way to set the example, he's a pathetic asshat.

They shoulda teamed up and tore him apart, and spelled pansy ass with his body parts,
But christians have that whole
/turn the other cheek
thing going on.
AT LEAST they live how they believe. Unlike this dumbass, bullying kids who havent done any thing.

It's funny you believed the Fox News article verbatim.

Critical thinking isn't your strong suit huh?

Showing a viable alternative isnt yours. If they are guilty of libel, it'll make headlines everywhere and be right here on fark.


It was from a stupid blog. There's not going to be any libel lawsuit over this.

*shrugs shoulders*

But I won't stop you from believing EVERYTHING Fox News tells you.
 
2012-04-28 02:52:52 PM  

peterquince: He didn't call them names. He labeled their behavior


When church leaders call homosexuals sinners and sodomites, they are not calling them names, they are labeling their behavior.

When Bill called Sarah Palin a "coont", he was labeling her behavior.
When Rush called Fluke a "slut", he was calling her dirty names.

At some point, the liberal Fark derp squad will realize you do the same thing as the GOP, you are just better at justifying it because anyone who disagrees with you is stupid.
 
2012-04-28 02:53:44 PM  
How much you wanna bet he uses meth?

Why doesn't he bring that up as the crux??
That people on meth are just as bright as u
except all they do is think about sex all the time
 
2012-04-28 02:59:53 PM  

Gumaraid: To all the Christian haters; what's the beef about gay marriage given all of you are non-believers? If freedom to marry is the issue just start your own religion and make it so. Problem solved. Next issue?


Many religions and churches support marriage equality. Besides this is only a issue of civil marriage. No one is trying to force churches to perform ceremonies.
 
2012-04-28 02:59:54 PM  

Samaura: Mrtraveler01: Samaura: They were being directly ridiculed and mocked for their belief. They stood up and quietly tried to leave, without rancor and arguement, to receive more verbal abuse.

Its verbal abuse and emotional abuse.

He called them pansy asses for acting more maturely than he was, by a LONG SHOT, way to set the example, he's a pathetic asshat.

They shoulda teamed up and tore him apart, and spelled pansy ass with his body parts,
But christians have that whole
/turn the other cheek
thing going on.
AT LEAST they live how they believe. Unlike this dumbass, bullying kids who havent done any thing.

It's funny you believed the Fox News article verbatim.

Critical thinking isn't your strong suit huh?

Showing a viable alternative isnt yours. If they are guilty of libel, it'll make headlines everywhere and be right here on fark.


Did you actually watch the video? Savage did nothing to attack them or preach hate or slander anyone or anything.

Daraymann: peterquince: He didn't call them names. He labeled their behavior

When church leaders call homosexuals sinners and sodomites, they are not calling them names, they are labeling their behavior.

When Bill called Sarah Palin a "coont", he was labeling her behavior.
When Rush called Fluke a "slut", he was calling her dirty names.

At some point, the liberal Fark derp squad will realize you do the same thing as the GOP, you are just better at justifying it because anyone who disagrees with you is stupid.


"LIBS LIBS LIBS!! EVERYTHING IS LIBS!! I SEE LIBS IN ALL THAT OPPOSE MEEEEEE!!"

We're also not the ones calling for people to have their basic civil rights stripped away and be murdered for loving each other. I see plenty of that in so-called Christians and conservatives, however. Uganda is quite a telling example.
 
2012-04-28 03:03:11 PM  

Daraymann: peterquince: He didn't call them names. He labeled their behavior

When church leaders call homosexuals sinners and sodomites, they are not calling them names, they are labeling their behavior.

When Bill called Sarah Palin a "coont", he was labeling her behavior.
When Rush called Fluke a "slut", he was calling her dirty names.

At some point, the liberal Fark derp squad will realize you do the same thing as the GOP, you are just better at justifying it because anyone who disagrees with you is stupid.


All of your examples are names that describe a person and their personality and characteristics. It's an ongoing thing. A sinner is one who sins as an ongoing condition. A "coont" is someone who is "coonty" as an ongoing characteristic. Savage attacked a single discrete behavior that they exhibited. Their decision to walk out offended was "pansy-ass." He did not call them pansy-asses.

/Besides, Christianity is a choice.
 
2012-04-28 03:06:13 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: How much you wanna bet he uses meth?

Why doesn't he bring that up as the crux??
That people on meth are just as bright as u
except all they do is think about sex all the time


Yes, I realize that you're a troll. But Savage is strongly and vocally anti-meth. See this column about it.

Link

Again, Savage isn't promoting tolerance, nor should he.
 
2012-04-28 03:07:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Gumaraid: The problem really is not each individual religious organization but rather that marriage was co-opted by government eons ago for tax purposes.

Mrtraveler01: Ugh...this stupid BS again.

It is not stupid BS. And the issue is with the government not with Christianity.

Mrtraveler01: Marriage was a civil thing, long before it became a religious thing.

No. Marriage has always been a religious event. Religion existed long before Government was ever thought of and implemented.

Gumaraid: If you leave the religious aspects of marriage to each individual church then there is nothing preventing a progressive church from marrying whomever they please.

Mrtraveler01: No one is trying to force a church to perform a gay marriage.

Hard to tell with all the vitriol and hatred pouring out of the mouths of the hate activists on this thread.


/Seems like there is always someone bringing this garbage up in every gay issues thread


Nope. It is not garbage. It is something people care about.
 
2012-04-28 03:08:15 PM  

aerojockey: Savage is a farking asshole. (Not intended.)

The douchebag goes under a pretense of speaking out against bullying and uses it to launch a political tirade against something only tangentially related to bullying (he could have decried the use of the Bible to justify bullying without going into a anti-Christian tirade), and then does what he ostensibly came to preach against when people take offense.

He's just another holier-than-thou "do as I say not as I do" hypocrite, no different than the people he attacks, just on the other side. And you people defend this jackass.

Presumably some of the Christians in the audience knew who he was, and came anyway to support the message he was supposed to have shared. [sarcasm]I guess now they know better than to trust gays.[/sarcasm]


The people giving Dan Savage a pass for "snapping" either don't know who he is or are being willfully blind, because he's been a smug douchebag all his life and wanted this to happen so that he could go back and smarm about Christian Persecution some more.

That doesn't mean he's wrong or stupid - he's incredibly intelligent, often funny, and has a lot of great advice for people, even if his It Gets Better was more of a miss than a hit - but he orchestrated the entire stunt to piss people off from the beginning. Hes a shock jock, just like Howard Stern and Glenn Beck.
 
2012-04-28 03:08:26 PM  
Ahh the "Religion Of Peace"
fighting for the right to harrass their fellow students.

Hypnozombie
 
2012-04-28 03:10:45 PM  

Gumaraid: Nope. It is not garbage. It is something people care about.


No, Marriage isn't garbage. But saying that Marriage was a religous tradition before it was a civil tradition is garbage BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRUE!!!

No matter how many times I say that, people still say that kind of "garbage" in these threads.

You can't change your own history when it's inconvenient to someone. I invite you to look up the history of marriage and see how much longer it was a civil thing before it became a religious thing.
 
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