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2012-04-28 09:32:33 AM

Mrtraveler01: Brubold: Calling the Bible BS and such.

Saying that parts of the Bible are BS (they really are), doesn't mean he said the entire book was BS.


It would help if he even knew what he was talking about. The shellfish thing is Old Testament. In the New Testament all foods are allowed. This is why the Jews still have restrictions on what they eat and Christians don't. Well except for those weirdos in the Catholic church. :P
 
2012-04-28 09:32:34 AM

december: many people who hate homosexuals use the bible as their source. if you can discredit the source by appealing to their power of reason then you have advanced the cause of anti-bullying.


I don't think many people are bigots because of the bible. They just use it as an excuse. When that excuse is no longer respected, they'll just have to admit they are bigots because they are bad people.
 
2012-04-28 09:34:52 AM

Brubold: The shellfish thing is Old Testament. In the New Testament all foods are allowed. This is why the Jews still have restrictions on what they eat and Christians don't. Well except for those weirdos in the Catholic church. :P


The gay stuff was in the Old Testament too. That was his point. We don't even follow any of those other laws anymore and yet people still cling onto the gay one because it justifies them being bigots towards the gays.

Ironically even though Jews still have those restrictions, Israel and Tel Aviv in particular is well know for its tolerance toward gays.
 
2012-04-28 09:35:40 AM

alowishus: december: many people who hate homosexuals use the bible as their source. if you can discredit the source by appealing to their power of reason then you have advanced the cause of anti-bullying.

I don't think many people are bigots because of the bible. They just use it as an excuse. When that excuse is no longer respected, they'll just have to admit they are bigots because they are bad people.


Truer words haven't been posted on this thread.
 
2012-04-28 09:35:56 AM

TheEdibleSnuggie: Hey Dan, a few things buddy...

1) I farking HATE you. Not because you're gay- Because you're a Grade-A pompous asshole that is offensive to all known human senses. It's not the message douchebag, it's the way in how you convey it.

2) I don't ever remember Dr. King, W.E.B. DuBois, Rosa Parks, or a mature Malcolm X EVER going to the great lengths you do to make an asshole of yourself and your movement in an attempt to get others to see their point of view.

3) It's a shame that I'm one of those EVIL Christian conservatives you speak of- yet I'm FAR MORE tolerant than you are and will ever be.

4) You're a liability to the LGBT+ community. I'm not even gay and I recognize this.


1 - Fair enough. I can support that.

2 - That's only because you don't remember it; not because it didn't happen. I don't actually know much about Dr. King or W.E.B. DuBois, but Rosa Parks certainly held up a bus full of busy commuters because she wouldn't put up with their crap any more, and Malcolm X was a convicted burglar. You're revising history to make other people look better. Change requires rabble-rowsers.

3 - We're not asking anyone to be tolerant. We're telling people to stop harassing children so brutally that they kill themselves. Not to mention the fact that he never said Christian Conservatives are evil. Stop pretending to be a victim. You're not.

4 - He's absolutely not a liability. He's helping kids to learn to stand up for themselves. That's huge value in that.
 
2012-04-28 09:36:25 AM
anti bully dude from the left is a hypocrite? Oh what a surprise.
 
2012-04-28 09:36:42 AM

relcec: alowishus: relcec: he basically just started screaming the bible is bullshiat a dozen times to a bunch of highschool kids at a f*cking antibullying seminar.

That's a flat out lie.

nope


Well, it's a completely false statement at least.

He uses the word "bullsh*t" 3 times, not a dozen.

There is no way any reasonable person would construe his tone or volume level while speaking to be "screaming". Most of the time he is speaking calmly and quietly, and occasionally speaks a bit louder for emphasis -- well within the range of a normal speech.

And he does not ever say "the Bible is bullsh*t", he says certain ideas (in Leviticus particularly) are bullsh*t, and points out biblical support for slavery as a moral question the Bible got wrong.
 
2012-04-28 09:38:03 AM

Mrtraveler01: MarkEC: alowishus: GilRuiz1: You're utterly free to rant away, anti-bully dude; and I'm utterly free to not listen to your rants.

What did he say that was wrong?

On a forum that filters out the word bull**** because it's NSFW, we have a bunch of people who think it's OK to use it when speaking to a group of high school students. Classy!

Like I said, he probably could've used different wording. But I totally agree with the message and I can't see how anyone can disagree with that.


He could have used much different wording. He called not eating shellfish bull****. We know now we can eat it when properly cooked. We know now you can have gay sex using a condom and be somewhat protected. Did they know that thousands of years ago? NO. So calling it all BS is wrong. Explaining why it shouldn't hold sway today would be a much better approach. If AIDS had been around during the Roman Empire, it would have fallen much sooner.
 
2012-04-28 09:38:15 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: anti bully dude from the left is a hypocrite? Oh what a surprise.


Nope. A fox news story flat-out lied. Which actually is un-surprising.
 
2012-04-28 09:38:25 AM
Whether someone believes in the bible or not, one person, a part of a minority or otherwise, should tell another person their belief, be it part of it, or all of it, is 'bs'.

I recognize it is hateful but it's also how some folks live. What right does he have to impose his way of accepstance over their bigotry? Because it'd make things nicer? That's all well and good, but if someone wants to wallow in filth, metaphorically, let'em. Tell'em to keep their hate to themselves, or ignore them. But to try and impose your views on them is just as bad as them going door to door to 'spread the word'.

Antiquated and superstitious, and way out of touch with reality. But that's just how some folks are.

Now if it was a seminar or something where others *wanted* to learn about accepstance and whatnot, that's different.

Their views are just as valid as his. I think they're out of touch, but, they're humans. And humans are idiots all around, so why focus on just that?

The Bullying though, that's unacceptable, talk about not bullying.
 
2012-04-28 09:39:34 AM

TheEdibleSnuggie: Hey Dan, a few things buddy...

1) I farking HATE you. Not because you're gay- Because you're a Grade-A pompous asshole that is offensive to all known human senses. It's not the message douchebag, it's the way in how you convey it.

3) It's a shame that I'm one of those EVIL Christian conservatives you speak of- yet I'm FAR MORE tolerant than you are and will ever be.


That's interesting, because right now you aren't sounding very tolerant, nor very Christian.
 
2012-04-28 09:41:03 AM

Capo Del Bandito: Whether someone believes in the bible or not, one person, a part of a minority or otherwise, should tell another person their belief, be it part of it, or all of it, is 'bs'.

I recognize it is hateful but it's also how some folks live. What right does he have to impose his way of accepstance over their bigotry? Because it'd make things nicer? That's all well and good, but if someone wants to wallow in filth, metaphorically, let'em. Tell'em to keep their hate to themselves, or ignore them. But to try and impose your views on them is just as bad as them going door to door to 'spread the word'.

Antiquated and superstitious, and way out of touch with reality. But that's just how some folks are.

Now if it was a seminar or something where others *wanted* to learn about accepstance and whatnot, that's different.

Their views are just as valid as his. I think they're out of touch, but, they're humans. And humans are idiots all around, so why focus on just that?

The Bullying though, that's unacceptable, talk about not bullying.


It WAS a seminar where others *wanted* to learn about acceptance and whatnot. These high school kids showed up, invited, and voluntarily. And then they walked out snickering and smug. My personal theory is that they planned this all along. Notice how they left en masse.
 
2012-04-28 09:41:11 AM

MarkEC: So calling it all BS is wrong.


Why? It is. It's antiquated garbage that's of no use to us in modern time. BS is a good way to describe that useless crap.

MarkEC: Explaining why it shouldn't hold sway today would be a much better approach.


I thought that was his point?
 
2012-04-28 09:41:36 AM
For those not taking the cafeteria approach to all the O.T. laws.

Yep, 613 of them. So Fundies, just how screwed are you?
 
2012-04-28 09:42:13 AM
"Anti-Bully" speech replaced with "You Should Enjoy Getting Your Fudge Packed" speech. Audience leaves. Fudgepacker all butt-hurt. Waaaah!

/it gets better, you'll get over it
 
2012-04-28 09:42:15 AM

Capo Del Bandito: Whether someone believes in the bible or not, one person, a part of a minority or otherwise, should tell another person their belief, be it part of it, or all of it, is 'bs'.


Too bad because it is. Where does it farking stop? Should we not talk about Cosmology because it might offend the idiots who believe God shiat It Out? Not talk about History because it'd show miracles don't exist? Not talk about sex because they don't like it? fark that. Those kids who walked out took the recourse they had and did it in s respectful, nondisruptive way, and more power to them. But Savage didn't do anything wrong.
 
2012-04-28 09:43:41 AM

Mrtraveler01: Brubold: The shellfish thing is Old Testament. In the New Testament all foods are allowed. This is why the Jews still have restrictions on what they eat and Christians don't. Well except for those weirdos in the Catholic church. :P

The gay stuff was in the Old Testament too. That was his point. We don't even follow any of those other laws anymore and yet people still cling onto the gay one because it justifies them being bigots towards the gays.

Ironically even though Jews still have those restrictions, Israel and Tel Aviv in particular is well know for its tolerance toward gays.


Well the issue there is that there isn't any part of the New Testament that directly throws out what was said in the Old Testament about homosexuals. Of course one would logically dismiss the stonings and apply "love thy neighbor" and other such scriptures to them if they weren't being led by bigotry instead of Christ's teachings.

My problem with what this guy did was that he just reinforced that bigotry in the minds of those kids. He had an opportunity to reach them and not only wasted it but probably made things worse for the gay kids that share schools with those students.
 
2012-04-28 09:43:51 AM

peterquince: It WAS a seminar where others *wanted* to learn about acceptance and whatnot. These high school kids showed up, invited, and voluntarily. And then they walked out snickering and smug. My personal theory is that they planned this all along. Notice how they left en masse


Dickery all around it sounds like.

Sorry, can't see the link, I'm at work, the video's blocked.

Dude should be preaching about acceptance and whatnot. Not telling another person their belief system is wrong. Again, that's just like Christians telling others their lifestyle is wrong.

And this is where I burst into the chorus of "People are People".
 
2012-04-28 09:44:45 AM

Mrtraveler01: MarkEC: So calling it all BS is wrong.

Why? It is. It's antiquated garbage that's of no use to us in modern time. BS is a good way to describe that useless crap.

MarkEC: Explaining why it shouldn't hold sway today would be a much better approach.

I thought that was his point?


Calling it BS is not the same as pointing out why it isn't applicable to life today. Cooking Kosher keeps food safe. Should we all cook Kosher? No, but that doesn't mean Kosher is BS.
 
2012-04-28 09:46:13 AM

Brubold: Well the issue there is that there isn't any part of the New Testament that directly throws out what was said in the Old Testament about homosexuals.


Isn't there something that essentially made the Leviticus laws null and void to Christians?
 
2012-04-28 09:48:20 AM

PonceAlyosha: Capo Del Bandito: Whether someone believes in the bible or not, one person, a part of a minority or otherwise, should tell another person their belief, be it part of it, or all of it, is 'bs'.

Too bad because it is. Where does it farking stop? Should we not talk about Cosmology because it might offend the idiots who believe God shiat It Out? Not talk about History because it'd show miracles don't exist? Not talk about sex because they don't like it? fark that. Those kids who walked out took the recourse they had and did it in s respectful, nondisruptive way, and more power to them. But Savage didn't do anything wrong.


Again, teaching acceptance and whatnot is cool.

And I agree the bible is no longer relavent - in my opinion - but some people still enjoy it.

Tell me, please, what's the difference between them dragging people down to their level of ignorance and others dragging them into the light?

Neither one is 'better' than the other.

To you, injustice and unequality are evil bad no no and life would be better without it. To others, they're down with it.

It's sad, especially given the access to knowledge the world over that we have nowadays, but such is their choice.
 
2012-04-28 09:48:46 AM

peterquince:
It WAS a seminar where others *wanted* to learn about acceptance and whatnot. These high school kids showed up, invited, and voluntarily. And then they walked out snickering and smug. My personal theory is that they planned this all along. Notice how they left en masse.



This

Those drama queens knew full well the Bible would be mentioned by a gay activist during an anti-bullying speech.
 
2012-04-28 09:50:29 AM
How civilized.
 
2012-04-28 09:50:54 AM
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Boo hoo. You had me and then you lost me.
 
2012-04-28 09:50:58 AM
I see no difference when I look at the the "circle-jerk-better-than" people in the churches compared to the "circle-jerk-better-than" in these comments (full of vitriol, angst, and hypocrisy).

Neither says, nor does anything productive.

Feel free to continue on in the comfort of your own circle.
 
2012-04-28 09:51:04 AM

Capo Del Bandito: PonceAlyosha: Capo Del Bandito: Whether someone believes in the bible or not, one person, a part of a minority or otherwise, should tell another person their belief, be it part of it, or all of it, is 'bs'.

Too bad because it is. Where does it farking stop? Should we not talk about Cosmology because it might offend the idiots who believe God shiat It Out? Not talk about History because it'd show miracles don't exist? Not talk about sex because they don't like it? fark that. Those kids who walked out took the recourse they had and did it in s respectful, nondisruptive way, and more power to them. But Savage didn't do anything wrong.

Again, teaching acceptance and whatnot is cool.

And I agree the bible is no longer relavent - in my opinion - but some people still enjoy it.

Tell me, please, what's the difference between them dragging people down to their level of ignorance and others dragging them into the light?

Neither one is 'better' than the other.

To you, injustice and unequality are evil bad no no and life would be better without it. To others, they're down with it.

It's sad, especially given the access to knowledge the world over that we have nowadays, but such is their choice.


Wow, moral relativist bullshiat to defend an untenable position. Who would have thought.
 
2012-04-28 09:51:39 AM

chewielouie: Dear Mr. Savage, there are plenty of places where Christians can go to get bullied and insulted, like FARK.com for instance.


Cool Story, Bro.

Get back to us when a young Christian man gets tied with a chain around his neck to the back of a pickup-truck, just for being Christian, and then gets dragged around behind that vehicle until the chain has slowly and agonisingly decapitated him.

Until then STFU about the way you've supposedly been victimised for being Christian.

/Not gay
//NTTIAWWT
 
2012-04-28 09:51:57 AM

truthseeker2083: So they can dish it out, but they can't take it? Pansy asses!



My first thought as well. Fark them.
 
2012-04-28 09:52:06 AM

truthseeker2083: So they can dish it out, but they can't take it? Pansy asses!


Kids who walk out due to their beliefs are not typically the same kind of kids beating up the "fag" in gym class.
 
2012-04-28 09:53:16 AM

StrongDad: I see no difference when I look at the the "circle-jerk-better-than" people in the churches compared to the "circle-jerk-better-than" in these comments (full of vitriol, angst, and hypocrisy).


So calling people out on their hypocrisy means that we're full of vitriol, angst, and hypocrisy?

o...k...

Do you know what those words actually mean?
 
2012-04-28 09:54:21 AM

Mrtraveler01: Brubold: Well the issue there is that there isn't any part of the New Testament that directly throws out what was said in the Old Testament about homosexuals.

Isn't there something that essentially made the Leviticus laws null and void to Christians?


That question is far too complicated for me to tackle with a full answer atm but I'll attempt a short answer. The New Testament replaces the law with grace but the law is still a foundation for faith. However there are some laws that were directly thrown out, such as the one about shellfish and other forbidden foods, in the New Testament.

The laws about homosexuals weren't thrown out directly just as the laws about slaves weren't. However, if we apply the teachings of Christ to any situation, we won't be bigots. We may strongly disagree on some issues but it won't be from hate or spite which makes it much easier to agree to disagree.
 
2012-04-28 10:02:08 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Yes, Subby, the Christian Teens did fail.

But, hopefully, they'll hit college, forget their brainwashing and their cult, and become fine, upstanding citizens who care more about a person's character than who they fark and what a book of fairy tales tells them they should think about that.


They were born Christian, but maybe they'll become American's, you know, grow.
 
2012-04-28 10:02:22 AM

Brubold: Mrtraveler01: Brubold: Calling the Bible BS and such.

Saying that parts of the Bible are BS (they really are), doesn't mean he said the entire book was BS.

It would help if he even knew what he was talking about. The shellfish thing is Old Testament. In the New Testament all foods are allowed. This is why the Jews still have restrictions on what they eat and Christians don't. Well except for those weirdos in the Catholic church. :P


And yet it's Leviticus that's always used to justify anti-gay statements. Interesting that it doesn't count, except when it does.
 
2012-04-28 10:03:28 AM
Do you: C) call the Christian teens in attendance "pansy asses" and mock them for walking out of your tirade?

Hell yes you do. You don't win a bully over with kindness. You punch him in the mouth.

/next question?
 
2012-04-28 10:03:47 AM

Brubold: However there are some laws that were directly thrown out, such as the one about shellfish and other forbidden foods, in the New Testament.

The laws about homosexuals weren't thrown out directly just as the laws about slaves weren't. However, if we apply the teachings of Christ to any situation, we won't be bigots.


What Bible are you reading? No, laws regarding shellfish were not "directly thrown out," laws about homosexuality aren't even mentioned in the NT, and the teachings of Christ involve teaching that those who don't accept Christ burn in hell for eternity and that women shouldn't wear their hair in braids. Ah, grace.
 
2012-04-28 10:04:10 AM
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It's impossible to believe that this author is actually reporting non-distorted facts.

/how does this shiat get greenlit on fark?
//seriously. weak.
 
2012-04-28 10:06:27 AM

dready zim: kxs401: Those poor Christians! I hope the bullying doesn't lead them to suicide.

It won`t, that`s just gay.

sweatybronson: And I also think that I can't help but think of 'Michael Savage' whenever I hear, 'Dan Savage.'

[www.storyhack.com image 300x483]


That dude gets his shirt torn off more often than James T. Kirk
 
2012-04-28 10:06:48 AM

truthseeker2083: Brubold: Mrtraveler01: Brubold: Calling the Bible BS and such.

Saying that parts of the Bible are BS (they really are), doesn't mean he said the entire book was BS.

It would help if he even knew what he was talking about. The shellfish thing is Old Testament. In the New Testament all foods are allowed. This is why the Jews still have restrictions on what they eat and Christians don't. Well except for those weirdos in the Catholic church. :P

And yet it's Leviticus that's always used to justify anti-gay statements. Interesting that it doesn't count, except when it does.


A point I've already addressed in another post above.
 
2012-04-28 10:07:43 AM

SharkTrager: truthseeker2083: So they can dish it out, but they can't take it? Pansy asses!

Kids who walk out due to their beliefs are not typically the same kind of kids beating up the "fag" in gym class.


In my own personal experience, they typically are. Those that I encountered as a teen would claim you were persecuting them by even questioning the bible, let alone telling them you don't believe so their scripture quoting was pointless.
 
2012-04-28 10:08:19 AM

gravebayne2: he can decide to point and mock the people getting up and leaving. and since by now you all know what he did, you all should have also realized this is a form of bullying


Not, it's not. Watch the video. Pointing out giant logical holes in a superstition / ideology isn't bullying. Particularly when said superstition / ideology is frequently used to justify abusive / antisocial behavior.
 
2012-04-28 10:08:29 AM

give me doughnuts: dready zim: kxs401: Those poor Christians! I hope the bullying doesn't lead them to suicide.

It won`t, that`s just gay.

sweatybronson: And I also think that I can't help but think of 'Michael Savage' whenever I hear, 'Dan Savage.'

[www.storyhack.com image 300x483]

That dude gets his shirt torn off more often than James T. Kirk


How many episodes did Kirk actually get his shirt torn off?
 
2012-04-28 10:09:58 AM

Brubold: The New Testament replaces the law with grace but the law is still a foundation for faith. However there are some laws that were directly thrown out, such as the one about shellfish and other forbidden foods, in the New Testament.


i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-28 10:10:56 AM

Brubold: truthseeker2083: Brubold: Mrtraveler01: Brubold: Calling the Bible BS and such.

Saying that parts of the Bible are BS (they really are), doesn't mean he said the entire book was BS.

It would help if he even knew what he was talking about. The shellfish thing is Old Testament. In the New Testament all foods are allowed. This is why the Jews still have restrictions on what they eat and Christians don't. Well except for those weirdos in the Catholic church. :P

And yet it's Leviticus that's always used to justify anti-gay statements. Interesting that it doesn't count, except when it does.

A point I've already addressed in another post above.


Yes, I just read that. It's still bull. 'We want to eat what we want, so jesus said that's ok, but gays are still icky so those verses are still in effect.' It is ridiculous to pick and choose like that, but hey, whatever fits their world view.
 
2012-04-28 10:11:19 AM

Brubold: truthseeker2083: Brubold: Mrtraveler01: Brubold: Calling the Bible BS and such.

Saying that parts of the Bible are BS (they really are), doesn't mean he said the entire book was BS.

It would help if he even knew what he was talking about. The shellfish thing is Old Testament. In the New Testament all foods are allowed. This is why the Jews still have restrictions on what they eat and Christians don't. Well except for those weirdos in the Catholic church. :P

And yet it's Leviticus that's always used to justify anti-gay statements. Interesting that it doesn't count, except when it does.

A point I've already addressed in another post above.


Why don't you address why god was so dumb about rabbits? Hmm?
 
2012-04-28 10:12:40 AM

incrdbil: SilentStrider: They deserve to be mocked.

Ah, nice to join the in crowd in approved prejudice isn't it?

He enaged in the behavior he condemns. If he wants to deliver an anti-bullying message, then don't engage in abusive bullying behavior. Even if he hates Christians with a passion, if he wants to fight bullying behavior, he should try not to hand his opponents an easy to use sound bite to use against him. There's also the merit of avoiding being a hypocrite by taking the high road.


Repeating myself here. Be more disingenuous and petty!
 
2012-04-28 10:13:58 AM
Audience gets offended at anti-religion message. Speaker gets offended that they walk out. Fox news gets offended that he called them candyasses. Libs gets offended that Fox news is offended.

The day that you are not offended by something other people think is the day that America is dead.
 
2012-04-28 10:14:21 AM

Salt Lick Steady: Brubold: truthseeker2083: Brubold: Mrtraveler01: Brubold: Calling the Bible BS and such.

Saying that parts of the Bible are BS (they really are), doesn't mean he said the entire book was BS.

It would help if he even knew what he was talking about. The shellfish thing is Old Testament. In the New Testament all foods are allowed. This is why the Jews still have restrictions on what they eat and Christians don't. Well except for those weirdos in the Catholic church. :P

And yet it's Leviticus that's always used to justify anti-gay statements. Interesting that it doesn't count, except when it does.

A point I've already addressed in another post above.

Why don't you address why god was so dumb about rabbits? Hmm?


How dare you persecute him?!1 Didn't you know, questioning anything in the bible is just as bad as bullying kids til they commit suicide? In fact, it's worse!
 
2012-04-28 10:18:27 AM

badhatharry: Audience gets offended at anti-religion message. Speaker gets offended that they walk out. Fox news gets offended that he called them candyasses. Libs gets offended that Fox news is offended.

The day that you are not offended by something other people think is the day that America is dead.


As Jesus famously said: "All sidez are teh badz. So vote gay bashing."
 
2012-04-28 10:23:13 AM

Uncle Tractor: Brubold: The New Testament replaces the law with grace but the law is still a foundation for faith. However there are some laws that were directly thrown out, such as the one about shellfish and other forbidden foods, in the New Testament.

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Very true but Acts 10 (Peter's vision), Romans 14, and Timothy 4 all teach that all foods are now acceptable through God's grace. So the law is still in effect. The foods are still unclean but God's grace makes them clean for us to eat. One of the main reasons we ask God to bless our food before eating it.
 
2012-04-28 10:25:54 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: badhatharry: Audience gets offended at anti-religion message. Speaker gets offended that they walk out. Fox news gets offended that he called them candyasses. Libs gets offended that Fox news is offended.

The day that you are not offended by something other people think is the day that America is dead.

As Jesus famously said: "All sidez are teh badz. So vote gay bashing."


Those christian teenagers probably left the auditorium to go bash some gays.
 
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