I figure either side mocking each other, whether they believe everyone is equal, or if they believe some are worse than others, is a dick move.

Civility is nice and all, but not everyone's going to have the same moral outlook.

Christians can be bigots, duh. But not all of them are. Hell, my last roommate was a gay church attending Christian and joked around about giving me shiat because I believe in evolution. But it was all in good fun.

But neither side is superior to the other of course. You think everyone is equal? Bully for you (pun intended). You've reached a place where you are ok with society.

You think non-believers are going to burn in hell? *shrug* whatever gets you through the day.

But either side mocking one another removes your supposed moral superiority.

tl;dr - humans are animals, and that's the way it is.

But then, I harbor dreams of a world where all the humans are dead.

barefoot in the head: The Old Testament has nothing to do with Christianity. No Christian keeps slaves. He was spouting a lot of irrelevant crap. And I state that for the fundy crowd as much as the blind analyticals who label anything intuitive as "fairy-tale".

SanjiSasuke: A person, especially children, being bullied? Thats terrible, needs to stop! Wait...they believe in Jesus? That automatically makes them evil, anti-gay, anti-woman, GOP, intolerant bastards!
And the way they handled it? Walking out calmly, while he continued to yell and make a fool of himself? Monsters.

Hey I'm a Christian, but anyone who uses the Bible as an excuse to be an asshole to people can go fark themselves, they're an embarrassment to our religion.

barefoot in the head: The Old Testament has nothing to do with Christianity.

Aigoo: truthseeker2083: So they can dish it out, but they can't take it? Pansy asses!

You see, this is interesting. Because never in my life have I ever directed a bullying comment at a gay man or woman. One of my roommates is a lesbian, she and her girlfriend are perfectly happy and her girlfriend is one of the nicest people it's ever been my pleasure to know in life, one of my mother's closest friends is a gay man, and a couple of my dearest friends in life are gay men - one of whom I have known and been friends with for close to 20 years.

I also happen to be devoutly Christian. I believe in God, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and yet, I do not recall reading anywhere in the Bible that Savage says I can ignore where Jesus tells me it's okay to hate anyone, regardless of who they sleep with. I do recall reading several times that God (or rather, Christ) is the only one qualified to judge and so I leave that task to God and simply try to love people as they are.

For the record, I am neither conservative (Republican) or liberal (Democrat). In point of fact, I strongly believe both parties are equally corrupt and self-serving and that neither party has the nation's best interest in mind, nor have they in my lifetime.

And for the record, if the article is factual and Savage did, in fact, turn an anti-bullying speech into an attack on my personal faith, I would have quietly gotten up and walked out of Savage's blatantly attacking, mocking, offensive speech as well. One of the very great freedoms we possess in this country is the freedom not to listen to or look at that which offends us. While I support Savage's efforts in the "It Gets Better" campaign wholeheartedly, I never support or defend anyone becoming what they proclaim to fight against or despise. Kind of defeats the purpose of everything he's accomplished, in my opinion.

I do not insult gays, Muslims, atheists, people whose god is a doorknob (nor do I tolerate others tossing such insults in my presence)... but I should not be expected to tolerate being insulted under the guise of "this guy is madder than hell and shouldn't have to take it anymore" either. The fact that I am Christian and actively distance myself from those who proclaim Christianity but do not live it does not make me a pile of shiat while Dan Savage is being an asshole.

According to supplemental articles, they walked out when he pointed out hypocrisy. He mentioned they don't hate shrimp eaters, that slavery (which is defended by the bible) is wrong, etc. He didn't say it about their beliefs, but rather what the bible teaches as being wrong in the past, yet they cherry pick around all that. He didn't bully them for being christian, he was saying they were weak for not even daring to hear an opposing viewpoint.

Majorly telling difference between report from Fox News and report from actual student attendingthe conference:

FOX: ""he said there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong. Right after that, he said we can ignore all the (expletive deleted) in the Bible."

STUDENT REPORT: "We can learn to ignore the bullshiat in the Bible about gay people, the same way we have learned to ignore the bullshiat in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery, about dinner, about farming, about menstruation, about virginity, about masturbation," Savage said. "We ignore bullshiat in the Bible about all sorts of things."

Before the whole thread gets too preachy, please consider how the offended persons might be embellishing the language or tone of speech actually presented.

alowishus, Mrtraveler01, those are not valid arguments.

cman: If you want to win christians over to your cause, you cannot do it in this way. All you are doing is driving a further wedge between your two communities. Be the adult on this one and leave the childish things to the Christians

Fark you. Christians can go to hell.

Their bullshiat needs to be removed from the mainstream.

gravebayne2: there are nearly 300 comments so far. i'm tired and wanna go to bed so i won't read every one. but heres my take.

ok so guy who is supposed to be against bullying is supposed to give a speech that people expect to be something along the lines of anti-bullying. and during this speech he starts bible bashing. [ok so far. i mean its his choice and his speech to give.] people decide that they don't want to listen to this guy so they make a choice to get up and leave. mr. savage has a choice now. he can continue to his speech and speaking his opinion to the other people who want to hear it or

AND PAY ATTENTION THIS IS IMPORTANT

he can decide to point and mock the people getting up and leaving. and since by now you all know what he did, you all should have also realized this is a form of bullying

but its ok! its against the christians! they deserve it! christians have been condemning people who don't agree with them and it just makes me sick and they deserve to get punished back!

well under that logic wouldn't it just be peachy if black folk decided to start beating our pasty white arses around for all them years of racism? "but im not a racist!" you might say. does it matter? you were grouped in with the rest.

so yeah. freedom of speech. say what you will. but i find it just as hard to respect someone who would bash an entire religion just because of some loudmouthed idiots as i would someone who thinks a different race is inferior.

/ don't bother to welcome me to fark. i been here.
// was christian

The fact you believed a Fox News story verbatim makes me want to ask you something:

Did you know that they removed "gullible" from the dictionary?"

barefoot in the head: alowishus, Mrtraveler01, those are not valid arguments.

Sorry but what you said was profoundly ignorant.

djseanmac: Majorly telling difference between report from Fox News and report from actual student attendingthe conference:

FOX: ""he said there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong. Right after that, he said we can ignore all the (expletive deleted) in the Bible."

STUDENT REPORT: "We can learn to ignore the bullshiat in the Bible about gay people, the same way we have learned to ignore the bullshiat in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery, about dinner, about farming, about menstruation, about virginity, about masturbation," Savage said. "We ignore bullshiat in the Bible about all sorts of things."

Before the whole thread gets too preachy, please consider how the offended persons might be embellishing the language or tone of speech actually presented.

So in other words, my healthy skepticism of anything from Fox News is valid.

Good to know.

at some point, someone told christians that democracy means "majority rules" and that the US is a democracy, therefore in the US, the majority gets to make all the decisions. so they're baffled to learn that the majority of the US is christian, yet somehow we're not a Christian Nation the way they would like us to be. never mind the establishment clause of the 1st amendment, they want us to be a Christian Nation because hey, that's democracy, biatch.

Mrtraveler01: barefoot in the head: alowishus, Mrtraveler01, those are not valid arguments.

Sorry but what you said was profoundly ignorant.

That is not a valid argument, either. Support your opinions.

sweatybronson: Hard to know without seeing a video / transcript of the speech what exactly happened. BUT--

These were individual Christian teenagers... Some of y'all are committing a pretty major sin --

Which is to lump all Christians together. Did John and Jane, Christian kids who were sitting at the conference, ever attack homosexuals? We don't know.

But it does Seem that the speaker attacked them and their beliefs by telling them "to ignore all that shiat in the bible" (paraphrased). That's really stupid, and out of line.

And a grown man calling a bunch of teenagers pansy-asses?

Sure...if this was an adult talking to adults, maybe that would have been okay. But otherwise, it just shows a lack of maturity and is really, really stupid. Sommmmmebody's got insecurity problems.

"They already scream and spit and beat and kill people for who they love."

Seriously, calm the fark down. Who's "they." Were "they" the kids that this guy was cursing at? No. Does "they" include most Christians? Hellllllllll no. Go to a Westboro Baptist protest, and the majority of Christians there are protesting Against the WBC dudes, not with them.

The Christian community has a huge continuum of beliefs, and maturity, and kindness (or lack thereof) wrt to expressing those beliefs. It goes all the way from total acceptance, performing Christian marriages, etc., to being against gay marriages but otherwise showing basic kindness and respect homosexuals, to being the WBC guys.

If you judge the Christian right by the ones who 'spit and beat and kill,' you are just as wrong as those who judge the gay dudes in leather who hump children in the park. (the percentage of gay dudes who do the former is probably equivalent to [if not higher than] the percentage of Christians who 'kill' teh gays.])

The whole approach of "well, Christians will never be cool with us anyway, so lets curse at their children" is wrong as wrong can be. It's self-defeating, ineffective, based on stereotypes and prejudices, and pointless.

Read the rest of my post where I said that I respect the christians who act like christ taught. I said that, because I do. And to tell someone who doesn't like being screamed at, spit on and beat by those 'christians' to calm down is insulting. Brlecause I have been. I'll calm down about it when those that use religion to hate on love stop acting like animals. It seems like that line hit a little too close to home since you focused on that and not on the rest of the post. Maybe you should calm down and realize I didn't lump them all together, but separated the two types of groups.

barefoot in the head: alowishus, Mrtraveler01, those are not valid arguments.

Do you really not understand why Savage brought up the Old Testament stuff? Really?

doglover: What? You mean when roles are reversed the bullied become bullies themselves? Color me shocked.

Be more petty and disingenuous.

barefoot in the head: Mrtraveler01: barefoot in the head: alowishus, Mrtraveler01, those are not valid arguments.

Sorry but what you said was profoundly ignorant.

That is not a valid argument, either. Support your opinions.

So basically even though the Old Testiment is part of the Bible which is the book of Christianity. It's not a part of Christianity?

God I hope you're just being obtuse just to be obtuse.

sweatybronson: These were individual Christian teenagers... Some of y'all are committing a pretty major sin --

Which is to lump all Christians together.

you're known by the company you keep. if you hang out with a bunch of racist, meth-head motorcycle gangs, I'm going to assume you are a racist, meth-head, motorcycle gang member. If you identify with the word "Christian" and that group is represented in the media and everyday life as a group that tries to stand in the way of equal rights for minorities, gay people, immigrants, and women, then i'm going to assume you're a bigot.

Me, I keep company with academics, artists, bartenders, coffee-shop employees, and educators, mostly. So most people think of me as a well-educated, hard-drinking, coffee-addicted person who wants to help children succeed in life. I'm pretty comfortable being associated with these folks -- most of whom are atheists.

So what are the odds some of those Christian kids are gonna go slit their wrists over this?

Shadowtag: So what are the odds some of those Christian kids are gonna go slit their wrists over this?

low, but there's a real good chance a number of them will console themselves by taking advantage of the "poophole loophole" and do their christian girlfriends right in the dirt button.

The Old Testament has nothing to do with the message of Jesus. The "Christians" who turn to it as moral weaponry are wrong and Savage dilutes his cause by not simply saying so and instead continuing to portray them as the enemy, when in fact they are merely misguided. The little point/arrow picture applies far more to his rant than to me. He extends a debate that should be disarmed as patently false. Leviticus has no bearing on the insights of the person Jesus.

barefoot in the head: The Old Testament has nothing to do with the message of Jesus. The "Christians" who turn to it as moral weaponry are wrong and Savage dilutes his cause by not simply saying so and instead continuing to portray them as the enemy, when in fact they are merely misguided. The little point/arrow picture applies far more to his rant than to me. He extends a debate that should be disarmed as patently false. Leviticus has no bearing on the insights of the person Jesus.

So then Christians have no religious reason to be bigots towards gays then?

Works for me.

And it's not that they're "merely misguided", they're willfully misguided. These are the same people who pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow but cry foul when others do the same thing.

What we need to do is hang every fifth person on the planet.

barefoot in the head: The Old Testament has nothing to do with the message of Jesus. The "Christians" who turn to it as moral weaponry are wrong and Savage dilutes his cause by not simply saying so and instead continuing to portray them as the enemy, when in fact they are merely misguided. The little point/arrow picture applies far more to his rant than to me. He extends a debate that should be disarmed as patently false. Leviticus has no bearing on the insights of the person Jesus.

How about the speaker's reference to the teachings of Paul?

I really, really hope this is not true. I respect Dan Savage a great deal, and would pretty much lose all of that over this.

Mrtraveler01: barefoot in the head: Mrtraveler01: barefoot in the head: alowishus, Mrtraveler01, those are not valid arguments.

Sorry but what you said was profoundly ignorant.

That is not a valid argument, either. Support your opinions.

So basically even though the Old Testiment is part of the Bible which is the book of Christianity. It's not a part of Christianity?

God I hope you're just being obtuse just to be obtuse.

You are mistaken. There is no book of Christianity and even if one argues there is, it is everything after the Old Testament. That is why it is called THE NEW TESTAMENT.

There was an entity who spoke certain wisdom about the nature of relationships. His comments were more or less accurately recorded and collected. The same was done for the Buddha. There is no "ism" and I do not argue on behalf of any organised faction. You have to find the wisdom and not buy the boxed set of thought.

Close2TheEdge: I really, really hope this is not true. I respect Dan Savage a great deal, and would pretty much lose all of that over this.

I think the fact this story came from Fox News should tell you how legit this story really is.

barefoot in the head: That is not a valid argument, either. Support your opinions.

No his stuff was quite relevant. If you are going to go all OT on gay people because Leviticus says it is bad, then you whine when people point out other shiat in the OT that you don't like, and don't follow. You can't go and say "It isn't meant to be literal," or "The NT superceeds the OT," but then say "Except for this one bit in Leviticus, no gays allowed." If you want to go on about literal truth or the rules being meant to be followed you have to deal with those ones you don't like so much as well.

Mrtraveler01: barefoot in the head: The Old Testament has nothing to do with the message of Jesus. The "Christians" who turn to it as moral weaponry are wrong and Savage dilutes his cause by not simply saying so and instead continuing to portray them as the enemy, when in fact they are merely misguided. The little point/arrow picture applies far more to his rant than to me. He extends a debate that should be disarmed as patently false. Leviticus has no bearing on the insights of the person Jesus.

So then Christians have no religious reason to be bigots towards gays then?

Works for me.

And it's not that they're "merely misguided", they're willfully misguided. These are the same people who pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow but cry foul when others do the same thing.

Yes.

Not even slightly.
And I went to catholic highschool and the majority of the religous kids I knew didn't give a shiat about homosexuality. You wouldn't savage get away with painting the entire universe of muslims as bigotted killers of homosexuals, or all blacks as evil homophobes because many of them are extremely homophobic, but you people cheer on as a douchebag attacks an entire religion and a group off kids at an antibullying seminar of all places. And you are the people that are always proclaiming that the only legitimate outlook is one that embraces multiculturism, toleration of our differnces, and judging people as individuals instead of condeming entire groups. It seems fairly evident that the vast majority of you all view these societal perscriptions that you champion as only imposing responsibilties on those that have beliefs you disagree with but not yourselves.

barefoot in the head: You have to find the wisdom and not buy the boxed set of thought.

You really don't know how Christianity works do you. That's essentially their entire business model.

/Catholic

f*ck did that quote go.

sycraft: barefoot in the head: That is not a valid argument, either. Support your opinions.

No his stuff was quite relevant. If you are going to go all OT on gay people because Leviticus says it is bad, then you whine when people point out other shiat in the OT that you don't like, and don't follow. You can't go and say "It isn't meant to be literal," or "The NT superceeds the OT," but then say "Except for this one bit in Leviticus, no gays allowed." If you want to go on about literal truth or the rules being meant to be followed you have to deal with those ones you don't like so much as well.

The people who do that are not following the teachings of Jesus. They are doing something else, and it is false, to the extent that you describe it..

barefoot in the head: The Old Testament has nothing to do with the message of Jesus. The "Christians" who turn to it as moral weaponry are wrong and Savage dilutes his cause by not simply saying so and instead continuing to portray them as the enemy, when in fact they are merely misguided. The little point/arrow picture applies far more to his rant than to me. He extends a debate that should be disarmed as patently false. Leviticus has no bearing on the insights of the person Jesus.

i mean, this may all be true, but it's hard to understand why the OT is even in the bible -- i mean, if the NT is the "money" part, why bother with the OT? What's the point?

This is why I like scientific texts so much more than religious ones. Scientific texts have updates and revisions.

Mrtraveler01: Close2TheEdge: I really, really hope this is not true. I respect Dan Savage a great deal, and would pretty much lose all of that over this.

I think the fact this story came from Fox News should tell you how legit this story really is.

There's a video posed on The Daily Mail. I'm not seeing where he targeted ALL Christians as "pansy-asses." He was referring specifically to the Bible kids who didn't like his pointed criticisms of the Bible. Faith restored.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ao0k9qDsOvs

relcec: Not even slightly.
And I went to catholic highschool and the majority of the religous kids I knew didn't give a shiat about homosexuality. You wouldn't savage get away with painting the entire universe of muslims as bigotted killers of homosexuals, or all blacks as evil homophobes because many of them are extremely homophobic, but you people cheer on as a douchebag attacks an entire religion and a group off kids at an antibullying seminar of all places. And you are the people that are always proclaiming that the only legitimate outlook is one that embraces multiculturism, toleration of our differnces, and judging people as individuals instead of condeming entire groups. It seems fairly evident that the vast majority of you all view these societal perscriptions that you champion as only imposing responsibilties on those that have beliefs you disagree with but not yourselves.

I see subby/Fox News hooked another one...

Close2TheEdge: Mrtraveler01: Close2TheEdge: I really, really hope this is not true. I respect Dan Savage a great deal, and would pretty much lose all of that over this.

I think the fact this story came from Fox News should tell you how legit this story really is.

There's a video posed on The Daily Mail. I'm not seeing where he targeted ALL Christians as "pansy-asses." He was referring specifically to the Bible kids who didn't like his pointed criticisms of the Bible. Faith restored.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ao0k9qDsOvs

The Daily Mail? You mean there wasn't any story attacking immigrants/Muslims to publish today?

Mrtraveler01: barefoot in the head: You have to find the wisdom and not buy the boxed set of thought.

You really don't know how Christianity works do you. That's essentially their entire business model.

/Catholic

Yes I do, and what you find fault with is not not Christianity at work. You have to read and see, just as if you were reading Hawking, the Buddha, or Mozart. There is wisdom, if you can see. The political moralists are not practising Christianity.

Oh look, Fark is having a Christian bashing thread, we hadn't had one of those for awhile.
Still ugly, still prejudicial, still factually wrong.

Look up where Christ said people were being "stiff necked" and wrong.
Leviticus is Levite priest law, same people who crucified Christ.
But go ahead, attack Jesus without even realizing He was punished same as you.
Oh wait, no they killed him, it was worse.
Don't care what you do with your genitals or who you associate with, stop using that as your excuse to hate.
I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears.

barefoot in the head: The Old Testament has nothing to do with the message of Jesus. The "Christians" who turn to it as moral weaponry are wrong and Savage dilutes his cause by not simply saying so and instead continuing to portray them as the enemy, when in fact they are merely misguided. The little point/arrow picture applies far more to his rant than to me. He extends a debate that should be disarmed as patently false. Leviticus has no bearing on the insights of the person Jesus.

No True Scotsman.

All Savage did was point out that anti-gay Christians are cherry picking the Old Testament to support their bigotry. Do you not think anti-gay Christians do this?

barefoot in the head: The political moralists are not practising Christianity.

Oh I know that. That's Rick Romero territory when it comes to obviousness.

Kurmudgeon: Oh look, Fark is having a Christian bashing thread, we hadn't had one of those for awhile.
Still ugly, still prejudicial, still factually wrong.

Look up where Christ said people were being "stiff necked" and wrong.
Leviticus is Levite priest law, same people who crucified Christ.
But go ahead, attack Jesus without even realizing He was punished same as you.
Oh wait, no they killed him, it was worse.
Don't care what you do with your genitals or who you associate with, stop using that as your excuse to hate.
I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears.

Yes we know you're persecuted.

I'm a Christian too but it's high time we start calling these assholes out. They cry when I pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow but yet they do the same farking thing.

Fark them. They're all disgraces to Christianity and no where did Jesus say we should be total assholes to people just because we don't like them. In fact he taught us the OPPOSITE!!!

/rant off

sycraft: If you want to go on about literal truth or the rules being meant to be followed you have to deal with those ones you don't like so much as well.

No they don't.

They very evidently don't have to deal with literal interpretations of scripture that they don't care for.

They very definitely don't have to cope with the logical inconsistency of taking one thing about the Old Testament literally/seriously while laughing off other parts.

The leaders of the Roman Catholic Church have been choosing for their adherents which parts of scripture should be followed to the letter, and which ones you can safely ignore entirely, or under specific circumstances. They've been doing this arbitrarily for the better part of two Millennia.

They passed this legacy to the Protestants, and to every branch to follow. Christians have been well trained to accept logical inconsistencies like this- and it isn't just because of the whole "faith needs no proof" thing either.

This is a religion that has been VERY political for something like 95% of it's existence, and they're FAR more practiced at manufactured narrative and the goal-post moving of talking points than Fox News will EVER be.

So no, they really don't have to deal with any of that. They can ignore it. They've been ignoring it for this long. They're pretty comfy with this. Ethical questions are scary when you're used to some guy in a pointy hat or dapper suit give you all the "answers" on a daily basis.

Kurmudgeon: Oh look, Fark is having a Christian bashing thread, we hadn't had one of those for awhile.
Still ugly, still prejudicial, still factually wrong.

Look up where Christ said people were being "stiff necked" and wrong.
Leviticus is Levite priest law, same people who crucified Christ.
But go ahead, attack Jesus without even realizing He was punished same as you.
Oh wait, no they killed him, it was worse.
Don't care what you do with your genitals or who you associate with, stop using that as your excuse to hate.
I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears.

I may have missed the part where anyone attacked Jesus. Seems like its the religion itself that's got so many people torked off.

CapnBlues: barefoot in the head: The Old Testament has nothing to do with the message of Jesus. The "Christians" who turn to it as moral weaponry are wrong and Savage dilutes his cause by not simply saying so and instead continuing to portray them as the enemy, when in fact they are merely misguided. The little point/arrow picture applies far more to his rant than to me. He extends a debate that should be disarmed as patently false. Leviticus has no bearing on the insights of the person Jesus.

i mean, this may all be true, but it's hard to understand why the OT is even in the bible -- i mean, if the NT is the "money" part, why bother with the OT? What's the point?

This is why I like scientific texts so much more than religious ones. Scientific texts have updates and revisions.

Because there is also wisdom there. Any thoughtful person knows there is no danger in a few bad ideas, if the real harvest is a lot of good ones. The people who miss the wisdom and fixate on the rules, metaphors, anthropomorphism and dates have missed an opportunity to see.

Dan savage IS an obnoxious jerk.

alowishus: barefoot in the head: The Old Testament has nothing to do with the message of Jesus. The "Christians" who turn to it as moral weaponry are wrong and Savage dilutes his cause by not simply saying so and instead continuing to portray them as the enemy, when in fact they are merely misguided. The little point/arrow picture applies far more to his rant than to me. He extends a debate that should be disarmed as patently false. Leviticus has no bearing on the insights of the person Jesus.

No True Scotsman.

All Savage did was point out that anti-gay Christians are cherry picking the Old Testament to support their bigotry. Do you not think anti-gay Christians do this?

He would have done them a greater service by reading them the Sermon on the Mount. Instead he was the North Wind and made them pull their coats tighter. His outrage missed an opportunity. If he had been more like Jesus in that moment, he might have captured some hearts - hearts he probably had in the first place, but has now lost. This is not wisdom.

fireclown: Dan savage IS an obnoxious jerk.

He's also entirely correct.

barefoot in the head: He would have done them a greater service by reading them the Sermon on the Mount. Instead he was the North Wind and made them pull their coats tighter. His outrage missed an opportunity. If he had been more like Jesus in that moment, he might have captured some hearts - hearts he probably had in the first place, but has now lost. This is not wisdom.

Guess what? Not everything is about your precious farking wisdom. Kids need to know when they're buying into marketing bullshiat. If you have a problem with what he said, why don't you go preach tolerance to teens in your own fashion? You seem to have a lot of ideas on the subject.

PonceAlyosha: fireclown: Dan savage IS an obnoxious jerk.

He's also entirely correct.

barefoot in the head: He would have done them a greater service by reading them the Sermon on the Mount. Instead he was the North Wind and made them pull their coats tighter. His outrage missed an opportunity. If he had been more like Jesus in that moment, he might have captured some hearts - hearts he probably had in the first place, but has now lost. This is not wisdom.

Guess what? Not everything is about your precious farking wisdom. Kids need to know when they're buying into marketing bullshiat. If you have a problem with what he said, why don't you go preach tolerance to teens in your own fashion? You seem to have a lot of ideas on the subject.

The notion that one must kiss some ass in order to eventually suck some dick does seem counterintuitive.


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