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(Fox News)   You're the founder of the "It Gets Better" campaign and delivering an anti-bullying speech. Do you: C) call the Christian teens in attendance "pansy asses" and mock them for walking out of your tirade?   ( radio.foxnews.com) divider line
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2012-04-28 03:34:26 AM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: Inaditch:
Agreed. If you want things to get better, you have to take the high road. Every time.

"They're ass holes all the time, so it's ok if we're assholes once in a while". Except it's not. Every time you're an ass hole you lose ground.

fark you, asshole. Based on the evidence, the right has been winning for quite a while by being assholes, and the farkers who are pushing this anti-gay bullshiat certainly haven't stopped because we've been polite to them. Taking the 'high road' has gotten exactly nowhere, and it's time to start calling people on their bullshiat in unequivocal terms, including yours.


Taking the high road is the only reason you've gotten as far as you have.

But if you really think that a minority group being an asshole to the majority of voters out there will get them anything....you will be sadly mistaken.

/people feel bad for innocent victims having bad things done to them and want to help.
//people laugh at assholes having bad things done to them and want to help.
 
2012-04-28 03:35:40 AM  

firefaery29: aerojockey: Savage is a farking asshole. (Not intended.)

The douchebag goes under a pretense of speaking out against bullying and uses it to launch a political tirade against something only tangentially related to bullying (he could have decried the use of the Bible to justify bullying without going into a anti-Christian tirade), and then does what he ostensibly came to preach against when people take offense.

He's just another holier-than-thou "do as I say not as I do" hypocrite, no different than the people he attacks, just on the other side. And you people defend this jackass.

Presumably some of the Christians in the audience knew who he was, and came anyway to support the message he was supposed to have shared. [sarcasm]I guess now they know better than to trust gays.[/sarcasm]

Agree with you absolutely. Savage has used his prominence in the community to basically become a "mean girl" exactly like those he derides.


Oh please.

First, if you think mocking people for walking away from contrary opinions is in any way equivalent to actual bullying, then you have no concept of (or have conveniently forgotten about) actual bullying.

Being anti-bullying doesn't mean that you have to always agree with everyone and never utter a mean word. An insult =/= bullying. Offending someone =/= bullying.

Second, Savage has walked the walk. The "It Gets Better Project" is one of the most amazing creations on all the internets. It is a thing of beauty and wonder, and if you can watch more than a handful of videos there without getting dust in your eyes you aren't human. He has proven his anti-bullying cred far beyond what a few butt-hurt college kids can undo.

Third, he has never claimed to be all flowers and kindness. He was always a mean girl. He's a freaking sex columnist, for god's sake. His stock in trade is living on the edge of offensive. Practically every word he says/writes is an insult to someone. But hypocrite? I don't see it. As far as I can tell, he has been remarkably consistent over the years, both in words and behavior.

Is he a nice man? Maybe, maybe not - but that is pretty much irrelevant. You don't have to Mr. Rogers to have legitimacy as an anti-bullying activist.
 
2012-04-28 03:37:26 AM  
Yup, C. Those farkers bully people all the time, then walk out when they get called out for it and cry about how they were bullied for being christians when in fact, they were called out for being douchetastic dickbags to others of the people they claim to be God's children, despite Jesus being pretty farking clear in the beatitudes about his dad doing the whole God bit while we do the whole love thy neighbor bit.
 
2012-04-28 03:37:58 AM  
I'd love that, for one, when one of these idiots tells them that they're going to Hell and whatnot, they get the beating of their life.
 
2012-04-28 03:39:21 AM  

firefaery29: Since when is Dan Savage a journalist anyway? That guy is a tool. And the org was stupid for hiring a well-known outspoken sex columnist as a keynote speaker at a retreat for teenagers.


The man defined "Santorum". That, my friend, is a man of national significance.
 
2012-04-28 03:39:24 AM  

csizzo: Assuming all christians are gay-hating bigots is the intellectual equivalent of assuming all gays are AIDS ridden republican congressmen who tap shoes in airport bathrooms.


Fark that, most of the country seems to think it's ok to condemn muslim moderates for not speaking out against the extremist assholes in their group, why am I not allowed to do that for the Christians... not exactly a whole lot going to bat to counter the bullshiat the hijackers of Christianity are spewing.
 
2012-04-28 03:39:54 AM  
If your core beliefs mock, deride and call for shunning your fellow human beings, damn right I will give you a taste of your own medicine. I don't care about or respect your beliefs any more than you care about mine or the people I love that you try to keep as second class citizens.
 
2012-04-28 03:41:40 AM  

Gwendolyn: Barfmaker: If Dan Savage said it then it's okay by me. He's well past needing to provide cred.

SilentStrider: They deserve to be mocked.

Pretty much both of those.


What I love is if it was reversed you would be calling for the speaker to be executed, I guess freedom of speech is a one way street.

Amazing how people feel its fine to mock religion but if they dare take offense they are cowards, get over it people faith is not a bad thing, Im not overly religious but if the want to believe and they arent hurting anyone then who the fark cares?

He sounds like a douchebag who is bullying those who disagree with his lifestyle.
 
2012-04-28 03:42:33 AM  
For all of you whining about what a bully Dan Savage is maybe you ought to listen to what was actually said during his talk as opposed to making shiat up. Link has already been provided.

He didn't call them pansy asses. He said for someone who has been at the receiving end of beatings encourage by the bible, it's amazing how pansy assed some people react when he pushes back.
 
2012-04-28 03:43:34 AM  

foo monkey: Tolerance goes both ways. No, I mean you have to give and receive tolerance. Damnit, can we all just agree buttsex is gross, but it doesn't damn you to Hell?


Can we all agree that christianity is absurd, but doesn't lead to morality?

I'm tired of being told how I'm to tolerate those farkers. Those bigoted farkwads use the government as the last bastion of discrimination now that gays can get married in a plethora of different churches. They legislate about how I need to pay higher taxes, about how I'm not a suitable parent, and there are still tons of GOP platforms talking about how I shouldn't be allowed to have sex with the person of my choice, they are deeply troubled by the fact that gays can now participate in a meaningful armed defense of their nation and constitution. I'm tired of tolerating these jagoffs beating me about the head with the bible and trying to pervert the government into a farked up theocracy that the bible very explicitly says not to farking do.
 
2012-04-28 03:43:39 AM  

firefly212: Yup, C. Those farkers bully people all the time, then walk out when they get called out for it and cry about how they were bullied for being christians when in fact, they were called out for being douchetastic dickbags to others of the people they claim to be God's children, despite Jesus being pretty farking clear in the beatitudes about his dad doing the whole God bit while we do the whole love thy neighbor bit.


Most were kids, they havent done anything you mentioned, but hey way to show off your douchebaggery.

Fark, where people like to dish it out yet hate to have it pointed out where they are farktards for cheering on a douchebag.
 
2012-04-28 03:43:39 AM  

lukehasnoname: Wow, there's a lot of hate. "Christian teenagers are some of the worst creatures". Really? Are you that secluded and delusional?

How about the cracks about being driven to suicide? That gay kid who killed himself troubled, but suicide is one's own fault. That's why it's called suicide.

If you can't take the heat of being gay in 2012, don't be gay. Otherwise, man up (unless you're bottom).

Can't take the heat of being retarded in 2012, don't be born with downes syndrome . Otherwise man up and post on fark.
 
2012-04-28 03:44:00 AM  

Notabunny: nsfw lingo


This is a link to the video of the event, in case anyone missed it. If you watch it you'll see people start walking out at soon as he starts mentioning the bible, without even hearing what he has to say about it. His message is "We can ignore the parts of the bible about being gay just like we've learned to ignore all the other bullshiat the bible got wrong, like shellfish, slavery, and virginity." At no point does he attack anyone who holds those beliefs; he only says we can and should learn to ignore those teachings. He does call the people who walk out "pansy asses" because they decided to leave as soon as someone started challenging their beliefs, but at no point was it a Christian-bashing event.
 
2012-04-28 03:44:20 AM  

aerojockey: He's just another holier-than-thou "do as I say not as I do" hypocrite, no different than the people he attacks, just on the other side.


Oh really? Has he sponsored an amendment to the United States Constitution banning Christians from marrying? Has be campaigned to keep Christians from serving openly in the military? Did he spearhead the movement to make Christianity a capital offense in Uganda?

If the answer to any of these questions is "no" then no it's not the same thing at all. Christians are doing all those things and more to gays. Dan Savage was mean in a speech. In your eyes that balances the ledger?
 
2012-04-28 03:45:37 AM  

firefly212: csizzo: Assuming all christians are gay-hating bigots is the intellectual equivalent of assuming all gays are AIDS ridden republican congressmen who tap shoes in airport bathrooms.

Fark that, most of the country seems to think it's ok to condemn muslim moderates for not speaking out against the extremist assholes in their group, why am I not allowed to do that for the Christians... not exactly a whole lot going to bat to counter the bullshiat the hijackers of Christianity are spewing.


Because it's a farking travesty that Muslims are held to that standard. It's farking wrong for anyone to be held to that standard, to be held responsible for extremists that go against what you stand for and probably hate you as well.

Or would you like to go back to the years of 2003-2008 when being an American meant you were assumed to be a Bushbot?
 
2012-04-28 03:46:29 AM  
Oh, and:

montaraventures.com

(Works just as well for "homo" as "atheist")
 
2012-04-28 03:47:00 AM  
There's some seriously mis-informed Dan Savage-haters in this thread. The man is a national treasure. In a country where it's still legal to be fired to for being gay, where it's possible to be denied sitting by the bedside of your partner of over 20 years while they die of cancer, where laws are being passed to allow kids to bully gay children in school as long as the bullys can use the excuse that their religion compels them to be hateful bigots - he's one of the few high-profile voices speaking-out against such complete insanity.

Besides, he is responsible for the preservation of countless marriages and relationships. Considering that the American Taliban - Christians - would like to see sex out-lawed completely outside of marriage, and even then only allowed when the intended outcome is to produce a baby - Dan Savage is the only voice in the media that lets young people know that sex is an important, fun, vital part of a relationship. He also lets people know that it is possible to get some on the side, to explore your basic biological need to have some sexual variety in you life without it leading to the melodramatic break-up of a marriage or family - as long as both parties establish ground rules for such extracurricular play at the outset and are both comfortable with the situation.

On the other hand he counsels people who are completely monogamous-minded that they need not stay with a partner who wants to stray if they are not comfortable with this kind of arrangement - it is something that both parties have to be happy about, and if the price of staying in a committed relationship with the person they love is full monogamy, then that is something the less-monagamous-minded partner should seriously consider if they want to stay with their loved-one or not. But Dan stresses communication above all else - no sneaking around behind your partner's back or lying leading to infidelity.

He also has no use for those sex-negative types who get married or in a long term relationship and then freeze out their partner completely. He lets people know that sex is one of the highest priorities of a committed relationship, and if its not happening at all in a because one person is choosing to not meet the needs of their partner and if one or both partners aren't getting their sexual needs met then there is not shame at all in moving on to find a relationship that is more sexually satisfying. There's nothing worse than wasting years of your life in a relationship where two people are sexually-incompatible.

Dan Savage is the only sex-positive voice in the American media. Some of you poor suckers would be having much less satisfying sex if not for him.
 
2012-04-28 03:48:52 AM  

breakfast_in_bedlam: Gay the pray away Dan. Gay it the fark away..

Right in the middle of the article is this glowing review for the author of the article:

"SARAH PALIN LOVES TODD'S NEW BOOK
SO DOES MARK LEVIN AND SEAN HANNITY"

That about does it for his credibility in my eyes. I mean, he actually wants us to believe that Sarah Palin can read? Please...

/Fark those christian bastards.
//I didn't think it was possible for me to like Dan Savage any more without actually becoming gay.


Well, that would be your choice.
 
2012-04-28 03:48:56 AM  

steamingpile: He sounds like a douchebag who is bullying those who disagree with his lifestyle.


Yes, in your mind he does sound that way. But that is because you have no idea what he said and have no problem drawing conclusions without know any facts.

/douchebag indeed.
 
2012-04-28 03:49:02 AM  

steamingpile: Im not overly religious but if the want to believe and they arent hurting anyone then who the fark cares?


You know how I know you didn't watch the video? Because his entire bible spiel was about people using the bible to justify hurting others.
 
2012-04-28 03:50:05 AM  

lukehasnoname: How about the cracks about being driven to suicide? That gay kid who killed himself troubled, but suicide is one's own fault. That's why it's called suicide.

If you can't take the heat of being gay in 2012, don't be gay. Otherwise, man up (unless you're bottom).


2/10

Poor effort, but someone will probably bite.
 
2012-04-28 03:52:14 AM  
There was no bullying in that speech. At all. His point was that the bible is full of outdated ideas, stuff that's so incredibly obviously wrong that to think otherwise is self-delusional, and that using the bible as a basis of intolerance and justification of hatred for a segment of people is, in his words, "bullshiat". A bunch of kids walked out rather than hear what he had to say and he teased them a bit for it. He didn't bully them. There's a difference.
 
2012-04-28 03:52:52 AM  
This was one of the top "Liked" comments from the Fox page. Please, read at your own risk.

"Americans have to realize who we're dealing with in (f)maggots like this and all the other cockroaches, Commies, and America haters that helped put an illegal Kenyan Muslim Marxist racist Chicago street monkey in OUR White House.

Communists HATE Christianity because it represents everything that is a threat to them and their decadent beliefs and lifestyle. It's absolutely UN believable that Americans could be so stupid to actually believe that someone with a name like BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA could be a CHRISTIAN.

HELLO, AMERICANS!!!??? Do you know ANYONE on the face of the earth who is a CHRISTIAN with a completely M U S L I M name??? THINK ABOUT IT!!!

AND NOT ONE LIBERAL/LEFTIST/COMMIE/DEMOCRAT CAN PROVE THAT OBAMA IS A US CITIZEN, they can only demonize, trash, and seek to destroy/discredit those producing FACTS, DOCUMENTS, and HARD EVIDENCE to the contrary. AND THAT IS A FACT!!!

Thanks to a REAL American hero, we now know that we have a usurper in OUR White House. AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse's MONTHS LONG investigation by EXPERTS IN THEIR PROFESSIONS has proven that BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA is GUILTY OF HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. The ONLY reason he hasn't been taken away in chains is the fact that he has his COMMUNIST comrades (Soros, etc.) completely controlling the US media.

Another little tidbit produced from the investigation is the FACT that ALL of the international flight records for the time period surrounding Obama's birth date of August 4, 1961 could be found EXCEPT for the one week leading up to his birth. THOSE FLIGHT RECORDS are M I S S I N G...and that is the ONLY WEEK THAT NO RECORDS COULD BE FOUND!

Just imagine the outrage by the Communist media if a REPUBLICAN tried to pull the greatest hoax in the history of the country?"
 
2012-04-28 03:52:55 AM  

Inaditch: cman: truthseeker2083: cman: No offense, but you may just be taken a bit more seriously if you were to act professional in an environment such as that. You are supposed to point out the flaws in the other group, not give them fodder to fight against you.

No offense, but the gay community has taken about as much as they can, and having tried civil tones before, some people just snap at the stupid. That's what happened according to this article (I woild like to see another source, as a 'culture wars' 'reporter' from fox news smacks of bias, but...). Sometimes, even the most professional of people can have enough of it, and say 'fark it, enough is enough'. When he's pointed out their mistakes thousands of times, I don't care if he did snap, he's handled the right-wing fundie's crap better than most people would.

They are gonna use what happened there as propaganda for their holy war of morality. They will twist it and spin it to fit their own agenda. I know it is difficult dealing with Christians, but you have to maintain a cool head when you are a leader in your cause.

If you want to win christians over to your cause, you cannot do it in this way. All you are doing is driving a further wedge between your two communities. Be the adult on this one and leave the childish things to the Christians

Agreed. If you want things to get better, you have to take the high road. Every time.

"They're ass holes all the time, so it's ok if we're assholes once in a while". Except it's not. Every time you're an ass hole you lose ground.


Fark the high road... these idiots demand my tax dollars so they can give them out to LDS organizations that teach I'm evil. They demand my partner and I pay higher taxes than them and their partner. They fought against gays getting the right to serve in the military. They fight against my right to adopt kids (apparently having no parent is better than having a gay parent). Dickbags like Perry talk about how evil it is that kids are banned from praying in school (they aren't) while gays enjoy a pittance of second class rights. Being nice didn't get us shiat for decades, stonewall got us some, money got us some, ACT up (for better or worse) got us some... this notion that we have to be nice to people who continually demonize us to the point of literally beating people to death is farking ridiculous. I saw the same point made in the TEA party boston thread when they invited one of the "christian" preachers from the US who helped get Rwanda to make homosexuality punished by death. These people seek nothing less than the extermination of homosexuals and I'm not going to farking gladhand them and hope that maybe they learn that I'm not such a bad guy before they condemn me to death for not buying into their farked up religious dogma.
 
2012-04-28 03:53:18 AM  
"If all slaves were treated appropriately and correctly, as my father did me, there would be no negative connotation applied to slaves or slavery." ~ Anonymous Fundamentalist
 
2012-04-28 03:54:40 AM  
DO NOT LISTEN to those who tell you to 'be nice' to your oppressors. Be farking nasty, it is the one and only way to get listened to.. someone calling you strident, militant, dangerous is someone who is scared because you wont get back under the rock. fark them.
 
2012-04-28 03:55:07 AM  

SilentStrider: They deserve to be mocked.


Ah, nice to join the in crowd in approved prejudice isn't it?

He enaged in the behavior he condemns. If he wants to deliver an anti-bullying message, then don't engage in abusive bullying behavior. Even if he hates Christians with a passion, if he wants to fight bullying behavior, he should try not to hand his opponents an easy to use sound bite to use against him. There's also the merit of avoiding being a hypocrite by taking the high road.
 
2012-04-28 03:55:36 AM  
To quote a Farker from another thread:

Wendy's Chili: Tolerance means not legislating hate against minorities and gays, not agreeing with your every dumbass opinion. You're a dumbass, not a victim of oppression.
 
2012-04-28 03:55:48 AM  

TheXerox: In the times I have seen, heard, or read his material, Dan Savage has almost always skewed things into a "you're either with me or against me" thing and this seems to be no exception. Turning an anti-bully speech into a platform for bullying a belief which is different from your own is hypocritical and dishonest. If this was as bad as reported then there will likely be clips of this floating around on youtube within the next few days if there aren't some already.


/Christian
//no problem with gay people
///has a problem with bullies and hypocrisy


One, this happened several weeks ago, April 13th according to the school newspaper write up posted earlier in the thread. Fox News just discovered it and decided to make an issue of it, but clearly the fact that there are no videos and that it took Fox a whole two weeks to find out about it and complain strongly suggests this is a Fox manufactured story. Not to mention the fact that Dan Savage himself mentioned the event on his blog, and the only thing he addressed was that there were some complaints from attendees who thought he was going to be focusing on journalism when in fact he'd been invited to talk about It Gets Better.

Two. I've had it with your brand of moral equivalence that pretends that Dan Savage calling bigots out on their bigotry is somehow equally as bad as the bigotry itself. There is no middle ground when the one side is telling children that they're broken and damaged and going to hell. The fact is that the conservative Evangelical church is contributing to the bullying of gay kids, and those perceived to be gay, and you can't address the bullying problem while ignoring the massive elephant in the room that there is a significant segment of Evangelical Christianity that is actively contributing to the bullying. Ask my (straight, married) brother about the time when he was a teenager that he went to our church's men's beer and wings night wearing a pink polo shirt and got relentlessly mocked by grown men making homophobic comments. Or ask him about how all of the church people he'd known from the time he was little, people he thought were friends, stopped having anything to do with him because half the church had been gossiping behind my family's back and decided that he must be gay because of his taste in clothes and started shunning him as a result. Or maybe you'd like to consider the elder at my old church who, in the course of teaching a Sunday School class, proclaimed that he thought it would be more merciful if God "called homosexuals home." Since you say you're a Christian, I'm sure that you know that talking about God "calling someone home" means that that God should just strike the person dead. I don't ping anybody's gaydar so I flew under the radar growing up in the conservative Evangelical world, I flew under the radar enough that I have no doubt whatsoever what everyone in my past life thinks of me as a human being and I'm never going to be able to completely get the messages out of my mind and not know exactly what they're thinking as they pretend to be nice to me. So don't go pulling any moral equivalency because Dan Savage is absolutely right to call out the evangelical Christians who ignore what the Bible says on all sorts of issues but then stake their claim and make their stand refusing to budge from the claim that if you're gay you're doomed to hell. Never mind that it's terrible hermeneutics, never mind that kids are killing themselves because of that message, they've got to keep insisting that they're right and to keep on acting like bullying kids and mocking them for their clothes will keep them on the path of heterosexuality, all sense of empathy be damned.

It's high time for straight Christians who claim to not be like the conservative Evangelicals to speak up and condemn them for their anti-gay bigotry. They're not going to listen to me, I just get written off as a degenerate trying to justify my sin, but if you're really concerned about how Christians are being viewed, don't go attacking Dan Savage for stating the truth about their bigotry, go call out the bigots within the church.
 
2012-04-28 03:56:50 AM  
One doesn't have to take the highest road... Just one more elevated than your opposition. Given what the "right" has become... That doesn't take much .
 
2012-04-28 03:57:26 AM  
So the grown up was bullying christian kids to fight bullying? He does realize that the kids are in no position to dictate what their asshole parents vote for, right? They were there with at least an open mind about the bullying part. They're open to the message. Way to fark that up. Grown ups should know better.
 
2012-04-28 03:57:37 AM  

incrdbil: SilentStrider: They deserve to be mocked.

Ah, nice to join the in crowd in approved prejudice isn't it?

He enaged in the behavior he condemns. If he wants to deliver an anti-bullying message, then don't engage in abusive bullying behavior. Even if he hates Christians with a passion, if he wants to fight bullying behavior, he should try not to hand his opponents an easy to use sound bite to use against him. There's also the merit of avoiding being a hypocrite by taking the high road.


You got bullied a lot as a kid didn't you?
 
2012-04-28 03:57:55 AM  
Ugh. The comments here are rather disappointing.
 
2012-04-28 03:58:39 AM  

Jamesac68: There was no bullying in that speech. At all. His point was that the bible is full of outdated ideas, stuff that's so incredibly obviously wrong that to think otherwise is self-delusional, and that using the bible as a basis of intolerance and justification of hatred for a segment of people is, in his words, "bullshiat". A bunch of kids walked out rather than hear what he had to say and he teased them a bit for it. He didn't bully them. There's a difference.


Ah..classic justification. It was just teasing. They deserved it. Everyone else thought it was ok.
 
2012-04-28 03:58:48 AM  

Inaditch: "They're ass holes all the time, so it's ok if we're assholes once in a while". Except it's not. Every time you're an ass hole you lose ground.


Sooner or later the gloves have to come off.


In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.
 
2012-04-28 03:58:51 AM  

NEDM: firefly212: csizzo: Assuming all christians are gay-hating bigots is the intellectual equivalent of assuming all gays are AIDS ridden republican congressmen who tap shoes in airport bathrooms.

Fark that, most of the country seems to think it's ok to condemn muslim moderates for not speaking out against the extremist assholes in their group, why am I not allowed to do that for the Christians... not exactly a whole lot going to bat to counter the bullshiat the hijackers of Christianity are spewing.

Because it's a farking travesty that Muslims are held to that standard. It's farking wrong for anyone to be held to that standard, to be held responsible for extremists that go against what you stand for and probably hate you as well.

Or would you like to go back to the years of 2003-2008 when being an American meant you were assumed to be a Bushbot?


Fark being an American, I'd rather be free. The new "christianity" is as farked up as the Taliban, and none of the 80 some percent of our nation that calls themselves Christian is shutting this shiat show down. Right now, the guy who won the GOP nomination wants to make sure I can't get married, wants to make sure my friends can't defend the constitution or their rights, wants to make sure eeeeevil gays can't adopt, and has yet to denounce a party platform in some states that went so far as working diligently to even ban gays from having the right to see their partners in the hospital. You take the flag, I'll take the fourteenth amendment if you don't mind. If you don't want to be assumed to be a bigoted twatrocket, then speak out against the railroading of Christianity by these jackbooted thugs instead of against those who are unhappy about it.
 
2012-04-28 03:59:39 AM  

incrdbil: SilentStrider: They deserve to be mocked.

Ah, nice to join the in crowd in approved prejudice isn't it?

He enaged in the behavior he condemns. If he wants to deliver an anti-bullying message, then don't engage in abusive bullying behavior. Even if he hates Christians with a passion, if he wants to fight bullying behavior, he should try not to hand his opponents an easy to use sound bite to use against him. There's also the merit of avoiding being a hypocrite by taking the high road.


Ya, because it's bullying to call out bullies for bullying.
 
2012-04-28 04:00:02 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Pete_T_Mann: So he called them pansy asses? And he has a "husband"? Doesnt having a penis in your anus on a regular basis make a guy a "pansy ass", or at least a "pansy" who is, by default, in possession of a "pansy ass"?

Anyway, if this pansy ass gets all butthurt over some Christians not liking his message he can listen to his Streisand albums and cry himself to sleep. The only thing worse than hypocritical holier than thou Christians is hypocritical holier than thou liberals. Put em all in the arena with meat cleavers, get some entertainment, and make the world a better place.

I don't know you tell me how you feel?


I feel that maybe you should rethink posting in the future. No offense, and I certainly dont want to discourage insulting posters, but really, this... this just isnt very good. I have faith you can do better.
 
2012-04-28 04:00:20 AM  

rynthetyn: One...
Two...


I have the strangest boner right now.
 
2012-04-28 04:00:46 AM  

incrdbil: SilentStrider: They deserve to be mocked.

Ah, nice to join the in crowd in approved prejudice isn't it?

He enaged in the behavior he condemns. If he wants to deliver an anti-bullying message, then don't engage in abusive bullying behavior. Even if he hates Christians with a passion, if he wants to fight bullying behavior, he should try not to hand his opponents an easy to use sound bite to use against him. There's also the merit of avoiding being a hypocrite by taking the high road.


He didn't. He cursed in front of high school kids... He offered criticism of what he sees as hypocrisy ... And he chided them for not having the faith of their convictions...but that's about it.
 
2012-04-28 04:01:20 AM  
On a more serious note, I don't think he should have referred to the students walking out as "pansy asses" but I didn't see any bullying or anything along persecution there. He didn't single any single person out nor did he crusade against them. He simply called it how he saw it. I'm true to my beliefs but I won't walk out on a person talking just because I don't believe in what they are saying. Learn some compassion and tolerance and how to understand one another instead of "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY" attitude. If you can't stand to hear another opinion, you are a pansy. Christians have been persecuting people for a long time now, they should get a taste of their own farking medicine.
 
2012-04-28 04:01:29 AM  

incrdbil: He enaged in the behavior he condemns.


He did no such thing. Watch the video.
 
2012-04-28 04:01:37 AM  

incrdbil: Ah..classic justification. It was just teasing. They deserved it. Everyone else thought it was ok.


A quick comment about notifying the kids it was ok to come back inside now that he's done chatting about their sacred cow, and making fun of them for leaving before hearing what he had to say, is bullying? It's not teasing? Do you know what a dictionary is? You can find them online. They're free, and you can even block the ads. Try it, it's fun.
 
2012-04-28 04:02:27 AM  

incrdbil: SilentStrider: They deserve to be mocked.

Ah, nice to join the in crowd in approved prejudice isn't it?

He enaged in the behavior he condemns. If he wants to deliver an anti-bullying message, then don't engage in abusive bullying behavior.


Jesus farking christ. Talk about false equivalence.

No rational being could call Savage's behavior here "bullying."
 
2012-04-28 04:03:50 AM  

I_Hate_Iowa: Notabunny: nsfw lingo

This is a link to the video of the event, in case anyone missed it. If you watch it you'll see people start walking out at soon as he starts mentioning the bible, without even hearing what he has to say about it. His message is "We can ignore the parts of the bible about being gay just like we've learned to ignore all the other bullshiat the bible got wrong, like shellfish, slavery, and virginity." At no point does he attack anyone who holds those beliefs; he only says we can and should learn to ignore those teachings. He does call the people who walk out "pansy asses" because they decided to leave as soon as someone started challenging their beliefs, but at no point was it a Christian-bashing event.


I love the self-satisfied look on some of those kids' faces as they're walking out. But I can almost guarantee you that at least one of those kids is going to go off to college, realize the bullshiat they've been indoctrinated with and end up coming out.
 
2012-04-28 04:03:50 AM  

Pete_T_Mann: tinfoil-hat maggie: Pete_T_Mann: So he called them pansy asses? And he has a "husband"? Doesnt having a penis in your anus on a regular basis make a guy a "pansy ass", or at least a "pansy" who is, by default, in possession of a "pansy ass"?

Anyway, if this pansy ass gets all butthurt over some Christians not liking his message he can listen to his Streisand albums and cry himself to sleep. The only thing worse than hypocritical holier than thou Christians is hypocritical holier than thou liberals. Put em all in the arena with meat cleavers, get some entertainment, and make the world a better place.

I don't know you tell me how you feel?

I feel that maybe you should rethink posting in the future. No offense, and I certainly dont want to discourage insulting posters, but really, this... this just isnt very good. I have faith you can do better.


Oh. is that what you tell your therapist? Just checking : )
 
2012-04-28 04:05:32 AM  
Nothing bad in the speech I watched, really.

"Pansy asses" was maybe a little too much for a professional setting, but its an understandable reaction to see the targeted audience (religious people) walking away and refusing to hear your voice.
Maybe when they get older they can walk away from things like debt ceiling debates.
 
2012-04-28 04:05:55 AM  

firefly212: NEDM: firefly212: csizzo: Assuming all christians are gay-hating bigots is the intellectual equivalent of assuming all gays are AIDS ridden republican congressmen who tap shoes in airport bathrooms.

Fark that, most of the country seems to think it's ok to condemn muslim moderates for not speaking out against the extremist assholes in their group, why am I not allowed to do that for the Christians... not exactly a whole lot going to bat to counter the bullshiat the hijackers of Christianity are spewing.

Because it's a farking travesty that Muslims are held to that standard. It's farking wrong for anyone to be held to that standard, to be held responsible for extremists that go against what you stand for and probably hate you as well.

Or would you like to go back to the years of 2003-2008 when being an American meant you were assumed to be a Bushbot?

Fark being an American, I'd rather be free. The new "christianity" is as farked up as the Taliban, and none of the 80 some percent of our nation that calls themselves Christian is shutting this shiat show down. Right now, the guy who won the GOP nomination wants to make sure I can't get married, wants to make sure my friends can't defend the constitution or their rights, wants to make sure eeeeevil gays can't adopt, and has yet to denounce a party platform in some states that went so far as working diligently to even ban gays from having the right to see their partners in the hospital. You take the flag, I'll take the fourteenth amendment if you don't mind. If you don't want to be assumed to be a bigoted twatrocket, then speak out against the railroading of Christianity by these jackbooted thugs instead of against those who are unhappy about it.


You missed my point. I was talking about how if you were from the US, you were assumed to be an ardent supporter of Bush and all his policies, regardless of what you truly believed. How you were assumed to be a red-blooded Republican even if you fought tooth-and-nail against their backwards policies since the 60's. It's a shiatty deal to be lumped in with extremists that hate your guts, no matter who you are.

And I *do* speak out against that shiat. It's wrong. It goes against the basic tenets of the principles this country is founded upon. It goes against the teachings of Christ. And most importantly, it goes against basic human rights. I'll fight this injustice whenever I come across it.

The only thing I ask is to not be automatically lumped in with the "Jack-Booted Thugs", since they hate me too.
 
2012-04-28 04:06:31 AM  

hbk72777: I'm an atheist, can't stand passing a church on the weekend with the hypocrites blocking traffic, can't stand the God Bless B.S., etc, but some of you are just plain farked in the head. Now we're going to do the old good for the goose bullshiat? Liberals are the first one protesting anything they don't want to hear, anything that offends them in the slightest. The mocking of Tebow, while I can't stand listening to people throw out gods name every other sentence, is ridiculous. You've got farking 10 NFL players a week in the news slapping a biatch, assaulting, raping, etc, and yet you pick on a white boy who believes a fairytale? Now you applaud someone for berating people with different beliefs? How is this guy and all of you who support this action any different from hate mongers like Rush and O'Reilly?

You aren't


so vote republican?
 
2012-04-28 04:07:05 AM  
If a single insult rises to the level of bullying for you, then you are Pansy asses.
 
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